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  • NightGod473NightGod473 Member Posts: 32
    Originally posted by originalegg

    Originally posted by gracefield


    I think that's right, WAR is just about as far from the WoW experience as you can get...



     

    Good lord this couldn't be further from the truth.  Please dont tell me you actually believe this.

    Considering how much I dislike WoW and how much I like WAR (and that's far from blind hate or love, I like certain aspects of WoW, but overall the game never felt engrossing to me and while I enjoy WAR overall, there are still definate areas I see for improvement), I'd have to say that there is at least something to that statement. 

  • GylfiGylfi Member UncommonPosts: 708
    Originally posted by xbellx777


    personally i love the game and i think ( and hope) that the game will be just fine.  i play on ironfist and it was pretty busy today with ppl taking keeps and all.  hopefully the numbers will pick up around the holiday season and when they get those two classes put in

    Reminds me of titanic without violin.

  • ParkCarsHereParkCarsHere Member Posts: 666
    Originally posted by NightGod473


    It seems to me that, at this point, the game would be better served by removing open RVR and further implementing scenario play, if you want to push the concept that is going to keep the greater number of players active. Of course, that won't happen because the lore of the world is based around the open RVR concept, but the raw numbers make that a much more reasonable option than pulling all the scenarios.
    And if you think people are going to quit because they get bored of scenarios, I'd have to begrudgingly point to WoW and their Battlegrounds system. I played WoW for a couple of months and never really got into the game, but it's hard to deny the fact that Battlegrounds are one of the main things that keeps that game so active.

     

    Ok, if I'm taking anything you said out of context, please, please correct me. But you want to REMOVE RvR from Warhammer?? That is what the game was built from the ground up to be, and you want to remove it so we can focus on instanced scenarios with pick up groups? That seems like a quick way to LOSE subs, not gain them.

    WoW battlegrounds got extremely boring. Hell, there are only four of them, and you were required to grind them for months at a time in order to get any type of gear to even be able to attempt to compete in Arenas. The same would happen in Warhammer if there was no open world PvP, everyone would just begrudgingly grind scenarios for renown so that they could get what they wanted, and then what?

    With scenario-only PvP, there is no reward at the end, just a constant grind. At least with Warhammer, every time you capture or defend a keep, you know you are helping your ENTIRE faction by building up the ability to capture the enemy's city.

    I'm sorry, but making this a scenario-only game is probably the worst idea I have ever heard...

  • greydorgreydor Member Posts: 153

     

    nightgod was simply pointing out that as game is playing out now scenarios are the more popular then

    open rvr and stated that open rvr would not be removed

    but between the 2 at this point if you were to remove 1

    open rvr would lead to the least amount of subscribers leaving

    as i doubt they will remove either 1  Mythic needs to find a way to make open RVR

    a more fun alternative to scenarios

    i think where i and some other of the masses mistook RVR for world pvp(tthink TM/SS but with a

    capturable objective) as mythic preached War is everywhere in the game.

    i  still am looking for a world pvp game as the RVR lakes just does not give an enjoyable reason to

    to be there

     

  • Tyvolus1Tyvolus1 Member Posts: 815
    Originally posted by Pheace

    Originally posted by gracefield


    I think that's right, WAR is just about as far from the WoW experience as you can get...

     

    Really? O_o

     

    I'd think SWG, EVE or Shadowbane would fit that statement far more than WAR ...

    SWG, EVE -- apples to oranges my friend -- 2 futuristic/space MMOs compared to medieval fantasy -- and as far as SB, could you have chosen an older, more obscure fantasy MMO to try and make your point ?

     

     

  • gracefieldgracefield Member UncommonPosts: 279
    Originally posted by originalegg

    Originally posted by gracefield


    I think that's right, WAR is just about as far from the WoW experience as you can get...



     

    Good lord this couldn't be further from the truth.  Please dont tell me you actually believe this.

     

    If you haven't the wit to see that beyond a slight aethestic similarity, these two games are literally poles apart, then nothing I can say is ever going to persuade you. For heaven's sake, the whole game mechanic is utterly different for starters...

  • verndvernd Member Posts: 600
    Originally posted by gracefield


    What is it with the doomsayers on this forum? Jesus, give the thing a chance, it's only been out for a month and already we have tools like the OP predicting imminent demise.
    You know what it is with WAR - people go into it expecting it to be the same as the normal MMO experience, all overland adventuring and quests and levelling up and all....then they discover that it's not and so they're out of their comfort zone and they quit. Some of them end up on here, railing against the game simply because it wasn't what they expected.
    If you go into with an open mind, don't expect it to be anything it's not and just play it for what it is, you'll have a great time. This game is different to all the other MMOs out there and we should be welcoming this kind of innovationa and encouraging it, this is what the future of MMOs is all about.
     
    If you want a game to criticise, just take your pick from some of the absolutely shameful shite that's listed to the left of this post.....

    So you're saying a game marketed as an MMORPG shouldn't be expected to play like an MMORPG? People that wanted more than just a battlegrounds grind have unreasonable expectations?

    Well, people are still playing Age of Conan so I shouldn't be surprised that people are refusing to open their eyes to WAR's flaws.

  • PheacePheace Member Posts: 2,408
    Originally posted by Tyvolus1

    Originally posted by Pheace

    Originally posted by gracefield


    I think that's right, WAR is just about as far from the WoW experience as you can get...

     

    Really? O_o

     

    I'd think SWG, EVE or Shadowbane would fit that statement far more than WAR ...

    SWG, EVE -- apples to oranges my friend -- 2 futuristic/space MMOs compared to medieval fantasy -- and as far as SB, could you have chosen an older, more obscure fantasy MMO to try and make your point ?

     

     

     

    You're absolutely right, if you exclude all other MMo's than your statement couldn't be any true-er

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  • verndvernd Member Posts: 600
    Originally posted by originalegg

    Originally posted by gracefield


    I think that's right, WAR is just about as far from the WoW experience as you can get...



     

    Good lord this couldn't be further from the truth.  Please dont tell me you actually believe this.

    It's believable if someone has only played WAR and WoW. Anyone with a broader range of experience can see the statement is patently ridiculous.

    Two factions, instanced PVP, four archetypes: tank, melee dps, range dps, healer. Not to mention the fantasy theme--and it doesn't matter who was first.

    But sure, lets ignore that some games have non-combat classes and gameplay. WAR is totally not like WoW at all!

     

    Anyways, going back to the original topic. WAR was supposed to be basically like WoW but with much more PVP focus--they haven't delivered, so what we have is another battleground grind with really boring PVE as an alternative. People shouldn't be surprised that population is going down, especially with that big new WoW patch that came out with the new level 80 talents or whatever.

  • Tyvolus1Tyvolus1 Member Posts: 815
    Originally posted by Pheace

    Originally posted by Tyvolus1

    Originally posted by Pheace

    Originally posted by gracefield


    I think that's right, WAR is just about as far from the WoW experience as you can get...

     

    Really? O_o

     

    I'd think SWG, EVE or Shadowbane would fit that statement far more than WAR ...

    SWG, EVE -- apples to oranges my friend -- 2 futuristic/space MMOs compared to medieval fantasy -- and as far as SB, could you have chosen an older, more obscure fantasy MMO to try and make your point ?

     

     

     

    You're absolutely right, if you exclude all other MMo's than your statement couldn't be any true-er

    "You're absolutely right"

     

     

    I know, I usually am.

  • DuraheLLDuraheLL Member Posts: 2,951

    As painful as it might sound, a complete removal of scenarios is needed untill they come up with a better sollution to implement them.

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    And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "

  • TheBrewerTheBrewer Member Posts: 110

    I thought the beginning of the end was release day

  • jmd10222jmd10222 Member Posts: 427
    Originally posted by TheBrewer


    I thought the beginning of the end was release day



     

    No that will be the day Darkfall releases and signals as one of the seven  signs of the apocalypse. OMG it actually came out!!!  Go back to the Darkfall forums Troll.

  • TheBrewerTheBrewer Member Posts: 110
    Originally posted by jmd10222

    Originally posted by TheBrewer


    I thought the beginning of the end was release day



     

    No that will be the day Darkfall releases and signals as one of the seven  signs of the apocalypse. OMG it actually came out!!!  Go back to the Darkfall forums Troll.

    Wow that was quick, haha he even looke dup my past posts, thats kinda creepy and stalkerish. Are all War fanbois so creepy??

     

    Why does the idea of Darkfall scare you so much??? You hate that people might have a chance to play a game that requires skill and thought?? Run back to your childrens War game lil boy and continue with ur theme park no skill needed no risk vs reward beginner game

  • Tyvolus1Tyvolus1 Member Posts: 815
    Originally posted by TheBrewer

    Originally posted by jmd10222

    Originally posted by TheBrewer


    I thought the beginning of the end was release day



     

    No that will be the day Darkfall releases and signals as one of the seven  signs of the apocalypse. OMG it actually came out!!!  Go back to the Darkfall forums Troll.

    Wow that was quick, haha he even looke dup my past posts, thats kinda creepy and stalkerish. Are all War fanbois so creepy??

     

    Why does the idea of Darkfall scare you so much??? You hate that people might have a chance to play a game that requires skill and thought?? Run back to your childrens War game lil boy and continue with ur theme park no skill needed no risk vs reward beginner game

    Not as creepy and stalkerish as people who dont even play WAR like yourself obsessing on the WAR forums.  Maybe you should take some of your own advice and run back to Darkfall -- oh, wait...its not out...yet...

     

     

  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431
    Originally posted by Tyvolus1

    Originally posted by TheBrewer

    Originally posted by jmd10222

    Originally posted by TheBrewer


    I thought the beginning of the end was release day



     

    No that will be the day Darkfall releases and signals as one of the seven  signs of the apocalypse. OMG it actually came out!!!  Go back to the Darkfall forums Troll.

    Wow that was quick, haha he even looke dup my past posts, thats kinda creepy and stalkerish. Are all War fanbois so creepy??

     

    Why does the idea of Darkfall scare you so much??? You hate that people might have a chance to play a game that requires skill and thought?? Run back to your childrens War game lil boy and continue with ur theme park no skill needed no risk vs reward beginner game

    Not as creepy and stalkerish as people who dont even play WAR like yourself obsessing on the WAR forums.  Maybe you should take some of your own advice and run back to Darkfall -- oh, wait...its not out...yet...

     

     



     

    Darkfall has the most rabid fans, ironically while they think theyre touting the game, theyre actually turning a lot of people off to the community based on a few narrow minded zealots.

    I highly doubt its going to require a masters degree in computer science to play Darkfall, please, peddle your elitist attitude elsewhere, if people enjoy a game, who gives you the right to criticize?

  • ajax7ajax7 Member Posts: 363

    A lot of people don't voice thier opions on this board,

    The Game is out of balance CHAOS is to powerful it just is.

    Thats why I stopped after 30 days as a lvl 30 Which Hunter if I can't kill a lvl 23 Chaos healer in a rvr zone something is wrong just wrong.

    So back again to SWG.

    Ajax

  • phosphorosphosphoros Member Posts: 512

    They should make a game where you can post on forums and whine about the latest MMOs and how bad they are and how bad all they are failing. The more you whine the more you level up and you get special forum rewards for whining and QQing the most.
    Like a custom icon with two giant QQs or a huge sig with a big baby crying or even better, a big inmate comes over to your house and punches you in the mouth for being a fool. That would rule.

  • EvolvedMonkyEvolvedMonky Member Posts: 549
    Originally posted by TheBrewer

    Originally posted by jmd10222

    Originally posted by TheBrewer


    I thought the beginning of the end was release day



     

    No that will be the day Darkfall releases and signals as one of the seven  signs of the apocalypse. OMG it actually came out!!!  Go back to the Darkfall forums Troll.

    Wow that was quick, haha he even looke dup my past posts, thats kinda creepy and stalkerish. Are all War fanbois so creepy??

     

    Why does the idea of Darkfall scare you so much??? You hate that people might have a chance to play a game that requires skill and thought?? Run back to your childrens War game lil boy and continue with ur theme park no skill needed no risk vs reward beginner game



     

    Darkfall wont be anything big. A niche game like EVE. Itll have more subs than eve due to it being fantasy. But if you think its going to revolutionize the genre your dreaming. Reminds me of the Shadowbane following back in the day.  .

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  • TheBrewerTheBrewer Member Posts: 110
    Originally posted by Tyvolus1

    Originally posted by TheBrewer

    Originally posted by jmd10222

    Originally posted by TheBrewer


    I thought the beginning of the end was release day



     

    No that will be the day Darkfall releases and signals as one of the seven  signs of the apocalypse. OMG it actually came out!!!  Go back to the Darkfall forums Troll.

    Wow that was quick, haha he even looke dup my past posts, thats kinda creepy and stalkerish. Are all War fanbois so creepy??

     

    Why does the idea of Darkfall scare you so much??? You hate that people might have a chance to play a game that requires skill and thought?? Run back to your childrens War game lil boy and continue with ur theme park no skill needed no risk vs reward beginner game

    Not as creepy and stalkerish as people who dont even play WAR like yourself obsessing on the WAR forums.  Maybe you should take some of your own advice and run back to Darkfall -- oh, wait...its not out...yet...

     

     



     

    Obsessing? I have like 3-4 posts over here. Look up what obsessed means friend. Edcuation > Mmos never forget.

    Your right its not out yet, so at least there is still a chance it will be good, War IS out so your chance for it being good is long gone cuz it failed, and now ur clearly bitter

  • TheBrewerTheBrewer Member Posts: 110
    Originally posted by Arcken

    Originally posted by Tyvolus1

    Originally posted by TheBrewer

    Originally posted by jmd10222

    Originally posted by TheBrewer


    I thought the beginning of the end was release day



     

    No that will be the day Darkfall releases and signals as one of the seven  signs of the apocalypse. OMG it actually came out!!!  Go back to the Darkfall forums Troll.

    Wow that was quick, haha he even looke dup my past posts, thats kinda creepy and stalkerish. Are all War fanbois so creepy??

     

    Why does the idea of Darkfall scare you so much??? You hate that people might have a chance to play a game that requires skill and thought?? Run back to your childrens War game lil boy and continue with ur theme park no skill needed no risk vs reward beginner game

    Not as creepy and stalkerish as people who dont even play WAR like yourself obsessing on the WAR forums.  Maybe you should take some of your own advice and run back to Darkfall -- oh, wait...its not out...yet...

     

     



     

    Darkfall has the most rabid fans, ironically while they think theyre touting the game, theyre actually turning a lot of people off to the community based on a few narrow minded zealots.

    I highly doubt its going to require a masters degree in computer science to play Darkfall, please, peddle your elitist attitude elsewhere, if people enjoy a game, who gives you the right to criticize?



     

    Yes DF has rabid fans, yet I leave one lil comment, which wasnt even incredibly insulting, and look how you guys swarm over it... but yea WE'RE the rabid ones..... keep telling yourself that

    and while playing DF wont require a masters degree, you will at LEAST have to have SOME degree of intelligence and initiative, you wont be led around by your hand like a kid not allowed to cross the street without mommy. If you need a HS Diploma for DF you only need to pass kindergarten for War, thats why my nephew of 7 years old is doing real well in it HAHA

  • EvolvedMonkyEvolvedMonky Member Posts: 549
    Originally posted by ajax7


    A lot of people don't voice thier opions on this board,
    The Game is out of balance CHAOS is to powerful it just is.
    Thats why I stopped after 30 days as a lvl 30 Which Hunter if I can't kill a lvl 23 Chaos healer in a rvr zone something is wrong just wrong.
    So back again to SWG.



     

    L2P   and SWG is a POS.  Now back in the day it was awesome(except the 3 health bars). 

    But what they did to that game made Baby Jesus cry.

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  • AliothAlioth Member UncommonPosts: 236
    Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

    Originally posted by TheBrewer

    Originally posted by jmd10222

    Originally posted by TheBrewer


    I thought the beginning of the end was release day



     

    No that will be the day Darkfall releases and signals as one of the seven  signs of the apocalypse. OMG it actually came out!!!  Go back to the Darkfall forums Troll.

    Wow that was quick, haha he even looke dup my past posts, thats kinda creepy and stalkerish. Are all War fanbois so creepy??

     

    Why does the idea of Darkfall scare you so much??? You hate that people might have a chance to play a game that requires skill and thought?? Run back to your childrens War game lil boy and continue with ur theme park no skill needed no risk vs reward beginner game



     

    Darkfall wont be anything big. A niche game like EVE. Itll have more subs than eve due to it being fantasy. But if you think its going to revolutionize the genre your dreaming. Reminds me of the Shadowbane following back in the day.  .



     

    I don't think that Darkfall will revolutionize the genre, but I do think that it has a chance to put up high subscription numbers. The MMO market is ripe for a game that isn't based around the theme-park design. A lot of people who play MMOs are beginning to grow weary of WoW and its clones. If it's not Darkfall that makes it big, there will be another MMO that is designed differently from the norm that will become popular.

  • TheBrewerTheBrewer Member Posts: 110
    Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

    Originally posted by TheBrewer

    Originally posted by jmd10222

    Originally posted by TheBrewer


    I thought the beginning of the end was release day



     

    No that will be the day Darkfall releases and signals as one of the seven  signs of the apocalypse. OMG it actually came out!!!  Go back to the Darkfall forums Troll.

    Wow that was quick, haha he even looke dup my past posts, thats kinda creepy and stalkerish. Are all War fanbois so creepy??

     

    Why does the idea of Darkfall scare you so much??? You hate that people might have a chance to play a game that requires skill and thought?? Run back to your childrens War game lil boy and continue with ur theme park no skill needed no risk vs reward beginner game



     

    Darkfall wont be anything big. A niche game like EVE. Itll have more subs than eve due to it being fantasy. But if you think its going to revolutionize the genre your dreaming. Reminds me of the Shadowbane following back in the day.  .

    I dont want it to revolutionize the genre, I just want a good solid game with player skill, risk and reward, and intelligence required. Niche is fine im not one of those idiots who think the amt of subs a game has tells you how good it is, look at WOW, crap, many subs still crap, same for War

     

    Im well aware DF will be niche, Wow and War were made for the lowest common demoninator, all the lil kiddies out there tht play there video games on the easiest mode... which is fine, just dont make assumptions about my DF expectations.

    Funny you mentioned eve, I play and love eve, and Wow OR War could never hold a candle to Eve.

    I wonder.. did you think War would revolutionize the genre? If anything it took it back a huge step, at least DF is a step int he right direction...

  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431
    Originally posted by TheBrewer

    Originally posted by Arcken

    Originally posted by Tyvolus1

    Originally posted by TheBrewer

    Originally posted by jmd10222

    Originally posted by TheBrewer


    I thought the beginning of the end was release day



     

    No that will be the day Darkfall releases and signals as one of the seven  signs of the apocalypse. OMG it actually came out!!!  Go back to the Darkfall forums Troll.

    Wow that was quick, haha he even looke dup my past posts, thats kinda creepy and stalkerish. Are all War fanbois so creepy??

     

    Why does the idea of Darkfall scare you so much??? You hate that people might have a chance to play a game that requires skill and thought?? Run back to your childrens War game lil boy and continue with ur theme park no skill needed no risk vs reward beginner game

    Not as creepy and stalkerish as people who dont even play WAR like yourself obsessing on the WAR forums.  Maybe you should take some of your own advice and run back to Darkfall -- oh, wait...its not out...yet...

     

     



     

    Darkfall has the most rabid fans, ironically while they think theyre touting the game, theyre actually turning a lot of people off to the community based on a few narrow minded zealots.

    I highly doubt its going to require a masters degree in computer science to play Darkfall, please, peddle your elitist attitude elsewhere, if people enjoy a game, who gives you the right to criticize?



     

    Yes DF has rabid fans, yet I leave one lil comment, which wasnt even incredibly insulting, and look how you guys swarm over it... but yea WE'RE the rabid ones..... keep telling yourself that

    and while playing DF wont require a masters degree, you will at LEAST have to have SOME degree of intelligence and initiative, you wont be led around by your hand like a kid not allowed to cross the street without mommy. If you need a HS Diploma for DF you only need to pass kindergarten for War, thats why my nephew of 7 years old is doing real well in it HAHA

    It wont take much more than a 7 year old toplay darkfall, what about it makes you think its going to be "Complex" or "complicated" Go ahead and list what you think is going to be so "mind boggling" about it for me. I could use a good laugh.

     

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