I'll agree with everything except the part about more cities as 'pretty much guaranteed.' This has been widely hypothesized but nothing is guaranteed. I certain hope more goes in later down the line and think if any game is going to do it, WAR will. The only problem with 'pretty much guaranteed' means 'it's a lock' in the minds of many people. Then if they don't see it, they become unhappy. *shrug* I'm playing for the long term (unless something truly unforeseen happens) anyways so I've already made up my mind and I'm on your side.
Hmm, well they have templates for 4 of the other cities already. It's all a matter of actually putting the designs into the computer, creating instances for them, creating the NPCs and creating loot drops etc. as well as bosses.
I'm almost 100% sure they'll introduce 2 new cities in the next expansion :-/ because there's so little work to be done to implement em
getting something in an expansion that should of been in from the start would suck in my opinion. I wouldn't buy that expansion if it were the stuff that was supposed to be in at release..its a sly money making thing over a technicle thing if that is the case.
getting something in an expansion that should of been in from the start would suck in my opinion. I wouldn't buy that expansion if it were the stuff that was supposed to be in at release..its a sly money making thing over a technicle thing if that is the case.
Actually, i wouldn't be surprised if the content that was "supposed" to be there in release (when it really didn't have to be - 2 main cities is more than enough for now... and the other 4 careers simply weren't fun to play), will eventually be released as a free patch.
An expansion that you have to pay for would likely include new races, and you would only be able to play said races if you bought the expansion.
Tho i think there is some more content in game then people think of when they talk about PVE, They always mention Public Quests and Tomb Of Knowledge as very Pve based, that makes the game so awesome that you don't have to organize a groupe for making some quests while you have some freetime before you go to school in the morning, or when you have your day of and wanna have some fun asap.
I think this game will doubtless hold the players in the game rather then test it and get bored of it directly, since there is so much to do and so little time!
Creds to you man Firebrawn Tho i think there is some more content in game then people think of when they talk about PVE, They always mention Public Quests and Tomb Of Knowledge as very Pve based, that makes the game so awesome that you don't have to organize a groupe for making some quests while you have some freetime before you go to school in the morning, or when you have your day of and wanna have some fun asap. I think this game will doubtless hold the players in the game rather then test it and get bored of it directly, since there is so much to do and so little time!
I'll agree with everything except the part about more cities as 'pretty much guaranteed.' This has been widely hypothesized but nothing is guaranteed. I certain hope more goes in later down the line and think if any game is going to do it, WAR will. The only problem with 'pretty much guaranteed' means 'it's a lock' in the minds of many people. Then if they don't see it, they become unhappy. *shrug* I'm playing for the long term (unless something truly unforeseen happens) anyways so I've already made up my mind and I'm on your side.
Hmm, well they have templates for 4 of the other cities already. It's all a matter of actually putting the designs into the computer, creating instances for them, creating the NPCs and creating loot drops etc. as well as bosses.
I'm almost 100% sure they'll introduce 2 new cities in the next expansion :-/ because there's so little work to be done to implement em
getting something in an expansion that should of been in from the start would suck in my opinion. I wouldn't buy that expansion if it were the stuff that was supposed to be in at release..its a sly money making thing over a technicle thing if that is the case.
They ve said they will be added in content updates.
Nothing beats playing a fresh MMO on fresh servers. That's why its very important its a polished product from the go, wouldnt want to play months after release where it lost its "shiny new" feel. This is why War is going to own, its so polished from the go.
WoW had lots of problems at release, like the loot bug, and queued servers (sometimes an hour queue!) due to very low caps at first. Content was missing, like decent endgame dungeons, and PvP system.
War got much more in place and ready to go at release.
Nothing beats playing a fresh MMO on fresh servers. That's why its very important its a polished product from the go, wouldnt want to play months after release where it lost its "shiny new" feel. This is why War is going to own, its so polished from the go. WoW had lots of problems at release, like the loot bug, and queued servers (sometimes an hour queue!) due to very low caps at first. Content was missing, like decent endgame dungeons, and PvP system. War got much more in place and ready to go at release.
1. This game has no real longevity. Why? The world resets, buildings are not crafted and therefore don't have that "its mine" feel, everyone the third time round will know exactly where to go and what to do in a siege. Its not potential its PREDICTABLE, play more than 5 mins and you will realise this.
2. The missing cities is a lot of content, it will 99% be a paid expansion, the game design suffers for its lack of appearance for launch
3. City Sieges are exactly like raids, just one massive raid. Why? City Sieges offer the best gear, gear is very important in this game. The principle is exactly the same as a raid.
Best advice anyone can give is see what its like in 3-4 months when people have gone thru the same tired crap.
There is only one type of motion, its constant going forward then hits a wall (world reset) and then starts again, and you take with you what you learn't the first time. Apply this tenfold and ask yourself is this fun anymore? Sure it might be the first time but have you ever riden a rollacosta for a week straight got off and then jumped back on? Fun for the first 10 mins right.
Of course, the main reason is that it's a lot of fun... But another reason is its potential. Mythic has assured us they will never be raising the level cap (renown cap is a different thing), meaning that your characters automatically become more valuable - as your gear isn't going to be rendered obsolete by level cap increases. Given this, everything you do to make your character better will never be considered a wasted effort. So already, Mythic has grasped the long term player base market. There is never going to be a Burning Crusade special, where we find entire Guilds quitting the game. Long term players are usually what makes the Community what it is. They are usually the ones in charge of the biggest guilds etc. I mean, you never find any 2008 players manning a Goonfleet squad do you? So, bearing in mind this longevity, end game will be evermore competitive between realms as time goes on, as there'll be very old, organized guilds and eventually, a lot of very geared characters (which is a good thing IMO, as a fight between the l33t is a lot more fun to me than a fight between the l33t and the sheet or the sheet and the sheet). Furthermore, long term players will inevitably be rolling alts, so lower level scenarios won't forever be a noob fest.... a reason in itself to reroll if you like competition at the lower levels.
To add on to this longevity factor, there is the (pretty much guaranteed) prospect of more cities opening up for RvR, as well as the addition of new and exciting careers. New and exciting careers means whole new mechanics, whole new skills and whole new moral abilities and tactics... this is unlike in MMORPGs where they simply decide to increase the level cap, just giving current classes a few more abilities. And i don't have to explain what new cities mean to you ;-)
To sum up, if you haven't pre-ordered WAR yet, or if you aren't yet planning on buying it, I would suggest doing so. WAR's long term factor far outweighs any MMORPG to date (i mean, josh said he thinks it'll be around in 30years, lol), as there are so many races and cities they could add, without screwing up the game and our current characters. And don't forget - older players usually end up being the most l33t, so i'd suggest jumping on the band wagon as soon as you can
Good post mate !
Also could I just guess that your going to be a Bright Wizard first and formost ? Am I right ?
Nothing beats playing a fresh MMO on fresh servers. That's why its very important its a polished product from the go, wouldnt want to play months after release where it lost its "shiny new" feel. This is why War is going to own, its so polished from the go. WoW had lots of problems at release, like the loot bug, and queued servers (sometimes an hour queue!) due to very low caps at first. Content was missing, like decent endgame dungeons, and PvP system. War got much more in place and ready to go at release.
Yep i remember the first 5-6 month of WoW all i did was lvling alt cause end game was junk , i lvl a 60 mage rogue priest before i finaly stick with the priest then farmed some 5 man and then BAM nothing i had to wait another month before they release honor system/BG .
IMO WAR has already more to offer than WoW when it launched .
So let me get this straight, someone went through the trouble of crafting a 'Failhammer' rip off of AoC's Failcom' icon for a game that has not yet been released and so far has had the best PR and developer comments and releases of content thus far. Has lifted the NDA and been nothing but honest, has earned the respect of almost all in the community and starts their game off with an epic feeling that expands in grandiuer. You are really jumping the gun on this one. Might wan't to hold your moaning till after we all get to play it in earnest.
Mythic has assured us they will never be raising the level cap
So Mythic will never give us new content? We'll be running the same ol quests and stale scenarios for years? Same equipment?
I can't wait!
Fingis you should seriously stop posting you make yourself look really bad .
Raising lvl cap is the worst thing to do imo cause it reset everything ppl have done over the years . You can had bunch of content without raising lvl cap . Most likely they will raise RR cap so it doesnt kill everybodys gear .
Originally posted by Philss Fingis you should seriously stop posting you make yourself look really bad . Raising lvl cap is the worst thing to do imo cause it reset everything ppl have done over the years .
Let's see.... No twinks cause gear doesn't mean anything right?
Gear means a hell of a lot of a lot, my dps tripled when I got my lvl 6 rhealm gear.
Now you saying Mythic will never have a gear chase. If they don't have a gear chase, people will get bored and leave the game.
A new game is like the 'unnamed politician'. The 'unnamed politician' always wins the election because you don't know nothing about him. Once the polician is named, Obama or McCain, you then think they suck. It's because unnamed is the perfect polician in your mind who agrees with everything you do. Once you find out his stand on global warming doens't match yours, he's not so good.
Games are the same way, you haven't actually played them so they are doing everything right in your mind. Once you play them you find out they suck.
WAR is an okay game. Hyping up to unreal expectations will ruin the game for a lot of people.
Fingis you should seriously stop posting you make yourself look really bad .
Raising lvl cap is the worst thing to do imo cause it reset everything ppl have done over the years .
Let's see.... No twinks cause gear doesn't mean anything right?
Gear means a hell of a lot of a lot, my dps tripled when I got my lvl 6 rhealm gear.
Now you saying Mythic will never have a gear chase. If they don't have a gear chase, people will get bored and leave the game.
A new game is like the 'unnamed politician'. The 'unnamed politician' always wins the election because you don't know nothing about him. Once the polician is named, Obama or McCain, you then think they suck. It's because unnamed is the perfect polician in your mind who agrees with everything you do. Once you find out his stand on global warming doens't match yours, he's not so good.
Games are the same way, you haven't actually played them so they are doing everything right in your mind. Once you play them you find out they suck.
WAR is an okay game. Hyping up to unreal expectations will ruin the game for a lot of people.
Fingis, you haven't played WAR. I've been following your trolls on the WoW forum as well (you troll any thread which says anything remotely positive about WAR) and you know virtually nothing about even the basics of the game. For instance, you once trolled that WAR's graphics were worse than WoW's... which not only shows you haven't played WAR, but that you haven't looked into the game at all.
You aren't a new face every time you come here, you know. We know you're a troll, so do you honestly think we take anything you say seriously? You're wasting your time mate, go do something constructive.
I'll agree with everything except the part about more cities as 'pretty much guaranteed.' This has been widely hypothesized but nothing is guaranteed. I certain hope more goes in later down the line and think if any game is going to do it, WAR will. The only problem with 'pretty much guaranteed' means 'it's a lock' in the minds of many people. Then if they don't see it, they become unhappy. *shrug* I'm playing for the long term (unless something truly unforeseen happens) anyways so I've already made up my mind and I'm on your side.
Hmm, well they have templates for 4 of the other cities already. It's all a matter of actually putting the designs into the computer, creating instances for them, creating the NPCs and creating loot drops etc. as well as bosses.
I'm almost 100% sure they'll introduce 2 new cities in the next expansion :-/ because there's so little work to be done to implement em
getting something in an expansion that should of been in from the start would suck in my opinion. I wouldn't buy that expansion if it were the stuff that was supposed to be in at release..its a sly money making thing over a technicle thing if that is the case.
I agree with this post. I've been saying from the day that WotLK was announced that it's BS to charge money for the Hero class, and siege weapons we were promised at release 4 years ago. And we werent even promised just ONE hero class either.
As a CB tester of WAR I can attest that this game is awesome. The only thing I am worried about is some of the later areas. When I was on them they seemed devoid of any and all life. I'm sure thats because they are RVR zones, but if it's anything like the beta come live then only the Chaos/Human areas will have people in them.
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
Fingis you should seriously stop posting you make yourself look really bad .
Raising lvl cap is the worst thing to do imo cause it reset everything ppl have done over the years .
Let's see.... No twinks cause gear doesn't mean anything right?
Gear means a hell of a lot of a lot, my dps tripled when I got my lvl 6 rhealm gear.
Now you saying Mythic will never have a gear chase. If they don't have a gear chase, people will get bored and leave the game.
A new game is like the 'unnamed politician'. The 'unnamed politician' always wins the election because you don't know nothing about him. Once the polician is named, Obama or McCain, you then think they suck. It's because unnamed is the perfect polician in your mind who agrees with everything you do. Once you find out his stand on global warming doens't match yours, he's not so good.
Games are the same way, you haven't actually played them so they are doing everything right in your mind. Once you play them you find out they suck.
WAR is an okay game. Hyping up to unreal expectations will ruin the game for a lot of people.
While I agree that overhyping can kill a game (I'm looking at you AoC) stating your opinion as fact is just as bad. WAR may be only ok to YOU, but in my books it's really good. It will of course differ if you ask someone else, and that is why opinion is NEVER fact and should be stated in such a way as to highlight that fact.
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
While I agree that overhyping can kill a game (I'm looking at you AoC) stating your opinion as fact is just as bad. WAR may be only ok to YOU, but in my books it's really good. It will of course differ if you ask someone else, and that is why opinion is NEVER fact and should be stated in such a way as to highlight that fact.
He's a troll, what do you expect.
Over hyping isn't killing WAR, because the NDA has been lifted and we know what's going on. Mythic is being totally honest about everything as well and their response to beta has been great.
1. This game has no real longevity. Why? The world resets, buildings are not crafted and therefore don't have that "its mine" feel, everyone the third time round will know exactly where to go and what to do in a siege. Its not potential its PREDICTABLE, play more than 5 mins and you will realise this. 2. The missing cities is a lot of content, it will 99% be a paid expansion, the game design suffers for its lack of appearance for launch 3. City Sieges are exactly like raids, just one massive raid. Why? City Sieges offer the best gear, gear is very important in this game. The principle is exactly the same as a raid.
Best advice anyone can give is see what its like in 3-4 months when people have gone thru the same tired crap. There is only one type of motion, its constant going forward then hits a wall (world reset) and then starts again, and you take with you what you learn't the first time. Apply this tenfold and ask yourself is this fun anymore? Sure it might be the first time but have you ever riden a rollacosta for a week straight got off and then jumped back on? Fun for the first 10 mins right.
Nice Failhammer avatar. It's very original! You are some kind of magician when it comes to trend setting.
Go troll the Age of Conan forums now. I'm sure you can come up with some sort of word with "fail" in it to describe them too. I'm sure whatever you come up with will be original, well thought out, and funny.
Just give me the Skaven and I couldn't be happier.
Go to aldorf, enter all houses. There are one house with some skavens.... :-)
I meant as a playable race, not some graphic to drool over (And trust me, I've drooled on many occasions).
If the game is an important economic success, they may add new races (I hope so). I like Skavens too and I hope they add them.
But I dont want to dream too far. I just hope they can fix all the main problems before release, then they manage to keep the game stailized, fix bugs and exploits, then add the 4 cities... then who knows.
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Hmm, well they have templates for 4 of the other cities already. It's all a matter of actually putting the designs into the computer, creating instances for them, creating the NPCs and creating loot drops etc. as well as bosses.
I'm almost 100% sure they'll introduce 2 new cities in the next expansion :-/ because there's so little work to be done to implement em
getting something in an expansion that should of been in from the start would suck in my opinion. I wouldn't buy that expansion if it were the stuff that was supposed to be in at release..its a sly money making thing over a technicle thing if that is the case.
Actually, i wouldn't be surprised if the content that was "supposed" to be there in release (when it really didn't have to be - 2 main cities is more than enough for now... and the other 4 careers simply weren't fun to play), will eventually be released as a free patch.
An expansion that you have to pay for would likely include new races, and you would only be able to play said races if you bought the expansion.
Creds to you man Firebrawn
Tho i think there is some more content in game then people think of when they talk about PVE, They always mention Public Quests and Tomb Of Knowledge as very Pve based, that makes the game so awesome that you don't have to organize a groupe for making some quests while you have some freetime before you go to school in the morning, or when you have your day of and wanna have some fun asap.
I think this game will doubtless hold the players in the game rather then test it and get bored of it directly, since there is so much to do and so little time!
Again Creds to this post Firebrawn
Cheers, i appreciate the kudos
Hmm, well they have templates for 4 of the other cities already. It's all a matter of actually putting the designs into the computer, creating instances for them, creating the NPCs and creating loot drops etc. as well as bosses.
I'm almost 100% sure they'll introduce 2 new cities in the next expansion :-/ because there's so little work to be done to implement em
getting something in an expansion that should of been in from the start would suck in my opinion. I wouldn't buy that expansion if it were the stuff that was supposed to be in at release..its a sly money making thing over a technicle thing if that is the case.
They ve said they will be added in content updates.
I never even thought of this. It makes a ton of sense. Yet another reason to fully enjoy WAR. Having meaning in everything you do!
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'Cry Havoc, and Let Loose the Dogs of WARRRRR!!!'
Nothing beats playing a fresh MMO on fresh servers. That's why its very important its a polished product from the go, wouldnt want to play months after release where it lost its "shiny new" feel. This is why War is going to own, its so polished from the go.
WoW had lots of problems at release, like the loot bug, and queued servers (sometimes an hour queue!) due to very low caps at first. Content was missing, like decent endgame dungeons, and PvP system.
War got much more in place and ready to go at release.
Just a start for the great things to come
1. This game has no real longevity. Why? The world resets, buildings are not crafted and therefore don't have that "its mine" feel, everyone the third time round will know exactly where to go and what to do in a siege. Its not potential its PREDICTABLE, play more than 5 mins and you will realise this.
2. The missing cities is a lot of content, it will 99% be a paid expansion, the game design suffers for its lack of appearance for launch
3. City Sieges are exactly like raids, just one massive raid. Why? City Sieges offer the best gear, gear is very important in this game. The principle is exactly the same as a raid.
Best advice anyone can give is see what its like in 3-4 months when people have gone thru the same tired crap.
There is only one type of motion, its constant going forward then hits a wall (world reset) and then starts again, and you take with you what you learn't the first time. Apply this tenfold and ask yourself is this fun anymore? Sure it might be the first time but have you ever riden a rollacosta for a week straight got off and then jumped back on? Fun for the first 10 mins right.
So Mythic will never give us new content? We'll be running the same ol quests and stale scenarios for years? Same equipment?
I can't wait!
Good post mate !
Also could I just guess that your going to be a Bright Wizard first and formost ? Am I right ?
Yep i remember the first 5-6 month of WoW all i did was lvling alt cause end game was junk , i lvl a 60 mage rogue priest before i finaly stick with the priest then farmed some 5 man and then BAM nothing i had to wait another month before they release honor system/BG .
IMO WAR has already more to offer than WoW when it launched .
So let me get this straight, someone went through the trouble of crafting a 'Failhammer' rip off of AoC's Failcom' icon for a game that has not yet been released and so far has had the best PR and developer comments and releases of content thus far. Has lifted the NDA and been nothing but honest, has earned the respect of almost all in the community and starts their game off with an epic feeling that expands in grandiuer. You are really jumping the gun on this one. Might wan't to hold your moaning till after we all get to play it in earnest.
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'Cry Havoc, and Let Loose the Dogs of WARRRRR!!!'
So Mythic will never give us new content? We'll be running the same ol quests and stale scenarios for years? Same equipment?
I can't wait!
Fingis you should seriously stop posting you make yourself look really bad .
Raising lvl cap is the worst thing to do imo cause it reset everything ppl have done over the years . You can had bunch of content without raising lvl cap . Most likely they will raise RR cap so it doesnt kill everybodys gear .
meh, just ignore them. they've been trolling for the past couple of weeks. probably a couple of kids still on summer holidays.
Thanks!
and yeah, i plan on rolling a bright wizard named firebrawn :P
Let's see.... No twinks cause gear doesn't mean anything right?
Gear means a hell of a lot of a lot, my dps tripled when I got my lvl 6 rhealm gear.
Now you saying Mythic will never have a gear chase. If they don't have a gear chase, people will get bored and leave the game.
A new game is like the 'unnamed politician'. The 'unnamed politician' always wins the election because you don't know nothing about him. Once the polician is named, Obama or McCain, you then think they suck. It's because unnamed is the perfect polician in your mind who agrees with everything you do. Once you find out his stand on global warming doens't match yours, he's not so good.
Games are the same way, you haven't actually played them so they are doing everything right in your mind. Once you play them you find out they suck.
WAR is an okay game. Hyping up to unreal expectations will ruin the game for a lot of people.
Let's see.... No twinks cause gear doesn't mean anything right?
Gear means a hell of a lot of a lot, my dps tripled when I got my lvl 6 rhealm gear.
Now you saying Mythic will never have a gear chase. If they don't have a gear chase, people will get bored and leave the game.
A new game is like the 'unnamed politician'. The 'unnamed politician' always wins the election because you don't know nothing about him. Once the polician is named, Obama or McCain, you then think they suck. It's because unnamed is the perfect polician in your mind who agrees with everything you do. Once you find out his stand on global warming doens't match yours, he's not so good.
Games are the same way, you haven't actually played them so they are doing everything right in your mind. Once you play them you find out they suck.
WAR is an okay game. Hyping up to unreal expectations will ruin the game for a lot of people.
Fingis, you haven't played WAR. I've been following your trolls on the WoW forum as well (you troll any thread which says anything remotely positive about WAR) and you know virtually nothing about even the basics of the game. For instance, you once trolled that WAR's graphics were worse than WoW's... which not only shows you haven't played WAR, but that you haven't looked into the game at all.
You aren't a new face every time you come here, you know. We know you're a troll, so do you honestly think we take anything you say seriously? You're wasting your time mate, go do something constructive.
Good thing that they claim lvl cap wont be set higher with upcoming expansions
Hmm, well they have templates for 4 of the other cities already. It's all a matter of actually putting the designs into the computer, creating instances for them, creating the NPCs and creating loot drops etc. as well as bosses.
I'm almost 100% sure they'll introduce 2 new cities in the next expansion :-/ because there's so little work to be done to implement em
getting something in an expansion that should of been in from the start would suck in my opinion. I wouldn't buy that expansion if it were the stuff that was supposed to be in at release..its a sly money making thing over a technicle thing if that is the case.
I agree with this post. I've been saying from the day that WotLK was announced that it's BS to charge money for the Hero class, and siege weapons we were promised at release 4 years ago. And we werent even promised just ONE hero class either.
As a CB tester of WAR I can attest that this game is awesome. The only thing I am worried about is some of the later areas. When I was on them they seemed devoid of any and all life. I'm sure thats because they are RVR zones, but if it's anything like the beta come live then only the Chaos/Human areas will have people in them.
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
Let's see.... No twinks cause gear doesn't mean anything right?
Gear means a hell of a lot of a lot, my dps tripled when I got my lvl 6 rhealm gear.
Now you saying Mythic will never have a gear chase. If they don't have a gear chase, people will get bored and leave the game.
A new game is like the 'unnamed politician'. The 'unnamed politician' always wins the election because you don't know nothing about him. Once the polician is named, Obama or McCain, you then think they suck. It's because unnamed is the perfect polician in your mind who agrees with everything you do. Once you find out his stand on global warming doens't match yours, he's not so good.
Games are the same way, you haven't actually played them so they are doing everything right in your mind. Once you play them you find out they suck.
WAR is an okay game. Hyping up to unreal expectations will ruin the game for a lot of people.
While I agree that overhyping can kill a game (I'm looking at you AoC) stating your opinion as fact is just as bad. WAR may be only ok to YOU, but in my books it's really good. It will of course differ if you ask someone else, and that is why opinion is NEVER fact and should be stated in such a way as to highlight that fact.
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
He's a troll, what do you expect.
Over hyping isn't killing WAR, because the NDA has been lifted and we know what's going on. Mythic is being totally honest about everything as well and their response to beta has been great.
Go to aldorf, enter all houses. There are one house with some skavens.... :-)
I meant as a playable race, not some graphic to drool over (And trust me, I've drooled on many occasions).
Nice Failhammer avatar. It's very original! You are some kind of magician when it comes to trend setting.
Go troll the Age of Conan forums now. I'm sure you can come up with some sort of word with "fail" in it to describe them too. I'm sure whatever you come up with will be original, well thought out, and funny.
Go to aldorf, enter all houses. There are one house with some skavens.... :-)
I meant as a playable race, not some graphic to drool over (And trust me, I've drooled on many occasions).
If the game is an important economic success, they may add new races (I hope so). I like Skavens too and I hope they add them.
But I dont want to dream too far. I just hope they can fix all the main problems before release, then they manage to keep the game stailized, fix bugs and exploits, then add the 4 cities... then who knows.
Skavens!!!