LMAO they look esactly the same as the shit Vanguard has now, I was expecting them to change the models and not make them more shiney and call it new content.
So would be nice if you provide a link with a dev quote of heroic appearance. Else stfu. <snip>
From the test server release notes:
Character Model Revamp
Player character models in Vanguard have undergone a bit of a revamp. Not only have they been optimized for better performance but they have been given a new, updated look. The revamped models are now capable of looking much more heroic and contain a lot more personality. Worry not though, for those players who don’t necessarily want the heroic look, no customization options have gone away. In fact, we are reintroducing lots of facial customization as well.
The models are more heroic and have less polys. The female models are more sexy as well. So we got a change that looks better and improves performance when a large number of players are onscreen. So while we can argue about what is heroic or if enough was done etc... What we won't argue about is whether players how have better customization, better character proportions, and better performance. So players do have another significant improvement with this upgrade.
Now if you can look at a screen shot and go uck that looks aweful then so beit you are entitled to your opinion. Keep in mind however that you now have more control over the appears then you did in gu5 and you are just looking at one persons representation of what they want their character to look like.
For what it's worth, I created a giant DK on the test server and he looks much less like a neanderthal. This is good as they're the only race that starts in the Varanjar area (which I LOVE!) that can be a DK.
What I hate is they look like lifeless plastic dolls and their body shapes are sooo ugly, like the breats look like a fat chic wearing a really baggy top and they have such saggy ugly bums. Even if they made the character models look really nice then they'd still have to fix the nasty animations the game has. Also their faces look like they're soooo bored and just wish they had more life in them like SWG in terms of idle animations and facial expression.
Did someone dump a bucket of white paint on her head? And are those shoulder pads glued onto her bare shoulders? It might be better for VG if people made no attempt at all to hype the "new" VG based upon the "improved" character models. Like many folks in this thread I am extremely underwhelmed by them. I was waiting for GU6 to go live before I installed VG (I purchased it weeks ago), so that I could do my free month with whatever GU6 has to offer (I do want to give VG a fair chance). If the new character models are primarily designed to improve performance (polygon count reduced or something), why don't they just push that aspect of them, because the new models themselves are very unattractive.
So would be nice if you provide a link with a dev quote of heroic appearance. Else stfu. <snip>
From the test server release notes:
Character Model Revamp
Player character models in Vanguard have undergone a bit of a revamp. Not only have they been optimized for better performance but they have been given a new, updated look. The revamped models are now capable of looking much more heroic and contain a lot more personality. Worry not though, for those players who don’t necessarily want the heroic look, no customization options have gone away. In fact, we are reintroducing lots of facial customization as well.
Many thanks for the correction. A link would be nice as I simply couldnt find any release notes beside the stickied ones.
Originally posted by ethion The models are more heroic and have less polys. The female models are more sexy as well. So we got a change that looks better and improves performance when a large number of players are onscreen. So while we can argue about what is heroic or if enough was done etc... What we won't argue about is whether players how have better customization, better character proportions, and better performance. So players do have another significant improvement with this upgrade. Now if you can look at a screen shot and go uck that looks aweful then so beit you are entitled to your opinion. Keep in mind however that you now have more control over the appears then you did in gu5 and you are just looking at one persons representation of what they want their character to look like.
i would rather live with a lower performance then bear the new character design ... some of theme look very weird like the kurashasa (the left one is the current model, the shoulder of the middle and the right one looks pretty weird)
and the part with the "sexy female characters" ... i know "sexy" is a matter of taste and everyone defines "sexy" differently, but i think the new characters far away from "sexy" (whats with the chin and the neck of the new raki female models, i tried some options and it doesnt get better)
of corse, this is still on the test server but i really hope that SOE tweaks the models (or some of them, not every model looks bad, think mostly the non human)
and of course, gameplay is more important then the graphics, but for me, i take the role of a character and want to feel good with it when i'm playing this character but when my character looks like build upon lego bricks, it would definitly lower the athmosphere of the game
I just opened up the test server and the live server character create screens to compare them side by side and I must admit I saw positive improvement. I don't really understand how you can say they look exactly the same becasue they really don't.
Just compare Thestra humans on the live server to the test server..there is such a massive improvement that I do not even know how PLAYED as that crappy model. hehe, I love this patch!
No actually I think youre wrong. Nope So would be nice if you provide a link with a dev quote of heroic appearance. Else stfu. Someone already did this Do you still belive Vanguard will have a future? Coming from an AoC player... Oh you said that because I expressed my opinion about lore and art in AoC in the AoC forum? You do know I also play VG, but after testing Warhammer for months and months and play Everquest2 (and a couple of not popular but healthy games) for years, personally I dont belive Vanguard has a future... See I can express my opinion without try to remove the valour of your opinion .
What madness drove them to make those unappealing VG character even MORE ugly? Sheesh. Guess thats what you get when you give design issues to straights. ><
I dunno, my biggest gripe about them is, that ALL males look like some uber muscular Schwarzenegger guy. Maybe they played too much Conan! Is that no longer a matter of configuration? I mean, sometimes I want a muscular Barbarian, ok, but making a slender Elven hunter or a a thin human rogue, I dont need such buffed up Nietzschean uber humans! Pls tell me they can be made slim and LESS buffed up.
The screen also reveal little about the choices to configure them.
One of the biggest pros of VG was its relatively vast configuration, and not the all the same cloned faces like WOW or WAR. All those males look the same wooden, bulky jarhead types to me now. A pity.
It's a mess. It would appear they've given more options to customize but at the same time made the base models even worse looking that the "temporary" ones. Even with the customizations you can't get anything approaching the quality of the first and second generation models. In other words, as it stands now it's worthless.
While I'm not entirely happy with these models either, they are currently on the TEST server, they said they've found a fix for the textures and will apply those, the armors have been adjusted according to feedback, so hopefully they'll adjust a few more things too.
Though honestly, take away the helms and give me the old models and I'd be right as rain.
Originally posted by sigamon i just looked at all the new models and they look just like the old ones. only difference is the rounded out the limbs a lil more
They are currently taking feed back and changing them by the sounds of things.
Also these models have been optimised to reduce lag, they do seem a lot better.
Now playing: VG (after a long break from MMORPGS) Played for more than a month: Darkfall online, Vanguard SOH, Everquest, Horizons, WoW, SWG, Everquest II, Eve
Like I said before, instead of reacting to a couple pics posted here with great angst and fretting. Just log onto test and see for yourself. Or check out the new model thread on VG players. Either way, you'll get a much more balanced view of the new models.
Anyone who says they are no different hasn't looked at them.
Someone who says they don't like them, that's fine. There are certainly some races that folks feel look worse. But looking across ALL the races it seems pretty clear there has been some really nice improvements.
Also, they've put all, or almost all, all the customization back in and a lot of the screenshots are of the default avatar.
Like I said before, instead of reacting to a couple pics posted here with great angst and fretting. Just log onto test and see for yourself. Or check out the new model thread on VG players. Either way, you'll get a much more balanced view of the new models. Anyone who says they are no different hasn't looked at them. Someone who says they don't like them, that's fine. There are certainly some races that folks feel look worse. But looking across ALL the races it seems pretty clear there has been some really nice improvements. Also, they've put all, or almost all, all the customization back in and a lot of the screenshots are of the default avatar.
I dont have a VG account atm. Maybe you can create one or two male chars, make their chest as slim as possible, and also a slimmer head, maybe a Qalian male and a Thestran and screenshot them here pls? (Topless if possible to show.)
I am a big VG fan but I am going to have to go with they do look the same. They might be changing them to look slightly better but they are hardly what people want. They still look very plastic like with almost no artistic ability put into them whatsoever. I thing the game mechanics are great and the game is really fun but the character models are just terribly bad.
The new models are actually pretty good (better than most other MMOs IMO) and there's a performance increase. If you haven't went to test and tried it yourself, you don't know what you're talking about. The devs have been great about listening to the feedback, and they're making changes the community wants.
Some people are acting like they don't know what a Test server is for. Log on, check them out, post constructive feedback to the devs, and you might be pleasantly surprised.
BTW, Most of the turds on this board are constantly spouting off about how gameplay is greater than graphics. Well, VG has some of the best PVE gameplay around, and IMO, they have some of the best graphics as well. The world is huge and wide open, no instancing, tons of quests, very involved crafting, and diplomacy. There's a ton of races and classes too. What the hell does it take to satisfy some of you? I really think some of you just like to bitch of the sake of bitching.
The new models are actually pretty good (better than most other MMOs IMO) Name at least 3 MMOs with less than 6 year old that have worse characters.
BTW, Most of the turds on this board are constantly spouting off about how gameplay is greater than graphics.
They promissed better and heroic looking models for months and months, these new models are worse than beta models (were you in beta?) not because of lack of shaders and polys, but for the lack of Art. You have respect for unprofessional modelers and artists in Vanguard and a game company that doesnt care about this game, but you dont respect people that wanted what THEY promissed.
They are undoubtably better, but I think some folks had higher expectations and are thus, disappointed. But I don't think anyone can seriously argue that they are not better. The other piece that is over-looked is that the customization is all back in and that these models are not suppose to be massive resource hogs with over the top poly-counts (or whatever it's called)
So why so many people in the official forum agree that the beta models and the models before the customization change were better?
Performance? Most of Vanguard players can run the game in balanced with the older characters and with no issues, most of performance problems in Vanguard are result of lack of optmization and not polys or shaders.
Yes they should be better, they should have more life, yes the animal races should have tails now... sorry, but they did a bad bad job.
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LMAO they look esactly the same as the shit Vanguard has now, I was expecting them to change the models and not make them more shiney and call it new content.
From the test server release notes:
Character Model Revamp
Player character models in Vanguard have undergone a bit of a revamp. Not only have they been optimized for better performance but they have been given a new, updated look. The revamped models are now capable of looking much more heroic and contain a lot more personality. Worry not though, for those players who don’t necessarily want the heroic look, no customization options have gone away. In fact, we are reintroducing lots of facial customization as well.
The models are more heroic and have less polys. The female models are more sexy as well. So we got a change that looks better and improves performance when a large number of players are onscreen. So while we can argue about what is heroic or if enough was done etc... What we won't argue about is whether players how have better customization, better character proportions, and better performance. So players do have another significant improvement with this upgrade.
Now if you can look at a screen shot and go uck that looks aweful then so beit you are entitled to your opinion. Keep in mind however that you now have more control over the appears then you did in gu5 and you are just looking at one persons representation of what they want their character to look like.
For what it's worth, I created a giant DK on the test server and he looks much less like a neanderthal. This is good as they're the only race that starts in the Varanjar area (which I LOVE!) that can be a DK.
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For 7 years, proving that if you quote "fuck" you won't get banned.
Still no tails...
Are helmets in yet? LOL
What I hate is they look like lifeless plastic dolls and their body shapes are sooo ugly, like the breats look like a fat chic wearing a really baggy top and they have such saggy ugly bums. Even if they made the character models look really nice then they'd still have to fix the nasty animations the game has. Also their faces look like they're soooo bored and just wish they had more life in them like SWG in terms of idle animations and facial expression.
Did someone dump a bucket of white paint on her head? And are those shoulder pads glued onto her bare shoulders? It might be better for VG if people made no attempt at all to hype the "new" VG based upon the "improved" character models. Like many folks in this thread I am extremely underwhelmed by them. I was waiting for GU6 to go live before I installed VG (I purchased it weeks ago), so that I could do my free month with whatever GU6 has to offer (I do want to give VG a fair chance). If the new character models are primarily designed to improve performance (polygon count reduced or something), why don't they just push that aspect of them, because the new models themselves are very unattractive.
From the test server release notes:
Character Model Revamp
Player character models in Vanguard have undergone a bit of a revamp. Not only have they been optimized for better performance but they have been given a new, updated look. The revamped models are now capable of looking much more heroic and contain a lot more personality. Worry not though, for those players who don’t necessarily want the heroic look, no customization options have gone away. In fact, we are reintroducing lots of facial customization as well.
Many thanks for the correction. A link would be nice as I simply couldnt find any release notes beside the stickied ones.
i would rather live with a lower performance then bear the new character design ... some of theme look very weird like the kurashasa (the left one is the current model, the shoulder of the middle and the right one looks pretty weird)
and the part with the "sexy female characters" ... i know "sexy" is a matter of taste and everyone defines "sexy" differently, but i think the new characters far away from "sexy" (whats with the chin and the neck of the new raki female models, i tried some options and it doesnt get better)
of corse, this is still on the test server but i really hope that SOE tweaks the models (or some of them, not every model looks bad, think mostly the non human)
and of course, gameplay is more important then the graphics, but for me, i take the role of a character and want to feel good with it when i'm playing this character but when my character looks like build upon lego bricks, it would definitly lower the athmosphere of the game
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I just opened up the test server and the live server character create screens to compare them side by side and I must admit I saw positive improvement. I don't really understand how you can say they look exactly the same becasue they really don't.
Just compare Thestra humans on the live server to the test server..there is such a massive improvement that I do not even know how PLAYED as that crappy model. hehe, I love this patch!
i just looked at all the new models and they look just like the old ones. only difference is the rounded out the limbs a lil more
LMAO this thread gets funnier the more I come back to it.
What madness drove them to make those unappealing VG character even MORE ugly? Sheesh. Guess thats what you get when you give design issues to straights. ><
I dunno, my biggest gripe about them is, that ALL males look like some uber muscular Schwarzenegger guy. Maybe they played too much Conan! Is that no longer a matter of configuration? I mean, sometimes I want a muscular Barbarian, ok, but making a slender Elven hunter or a a thin human rogue, I dont need such buffed up Nietzschean uber humans! Pls tell me they can be made slim and LESS buffed up.
The screen also reveal little about the choices to configure them.
One of the biggest pros of VG was its relatively vast configuration, and not the all the same cloned faces like WOW or WAR. All those males look the same wooden, bulky jarhead types to me now. A pity.
It's a mess. It would appear they've given more options to customize but at the same time made the base models even worse looking that the "temporary" ones. Even with the customizations you can't get anything approaching the quality of the first and second generation models. In other words, as it stands now it's worthless.
While I'm not entirely happy with these models either, they are currently on the TEST server, they said they've found a fix for the textures and will apply those, the armors have been adjusted according to feedback, so hopefully they'll adjust a few more things too.
Though honestly, take away the helms and give me the old models and I'd be right as rain.
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They are currently taking feed back and changing them by the sounds of things.
Also these models have been optimised to reduce lag, they do seem a lot better.
Now playing: VG (after a long break from MMORPGS)
Played for more than a month: Darkfall online, Vanguard SOH, Everquest, Horizons, WoW, SWG, Everquest II, Eve
There was a post somewhere about some Schwarzenegger Druid and poster wrote "Druid SMASH!" as comment.
IMHO we need more Lineage 2 babes. Tons of them!
GNOMES NEED BIG BUSHY EYEBROWS!!!!!!!
Like I said before, instead of reacting to a couple pics posted here with great angst and fretting. Just log onto test and see for yourself. Or check out the new model thread on VG players. Either way, you'll get a much more balanced view of the new models.
Anyone who says they are no different hasn't looked at them.
Someone who says they don't like them, that's fine. There are certainly some races that folks feel look worse. But looking across ALL the races it seems pretty clear there has been some really nice improvements.
Also, they've put all, or almost all, all the customization back in and a lot of the screenshots are of the default avatar.
I dont have a VG account atm. Maybe you can create one or two male chars, make their chest as slim as possible, and also a slimmer head, maybe a Qalian male and a Thestran and screenshot them here pls? (Topless if possible to show.)
Here you go, I mean to get the same angle and the same time of day on these shots so it would be a better comparison.....
I am a big VG fan but I am going to have to go with they do look the same. They might be changing them to look slightly better but they are hardly what people want. They still look very plastic like with almost no artistic ability put into them whatsoever. I thing the game mechanics are great and the game is really fun but the character models are just terribly bad.
This is the ONE thing I've been waiting over a year for - the character model revamp.
And I have to say that they SUCK.
The animal races still don't have inverted knees... too many complaints to list, so I won't.
SOE is not putting real money into this MMO so nor will I.
What a slap in the face.
EDIT: and where the hell are the FAT characters? I wanted to make my human as fat as John Candy.
Oh well.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
The new models are actually pretty good (better than most other MMOs IMO) and there's a performance increase. If you haven't went to test and tried it yourself, you don't know what you're talking about. The devs have been great about listening to the feedback, and they're making changes the community wants.
Some people are acting like they don't know what a Test server is for. Log on, check them out, post constructive feedback to the devs, and you might be pleasantly surprised.
BTW, Most of the turds on this board are constantly spouting off about how gameplay is greater than graphics. Well, VG has some of the best PVE gameplay around, and IMO, they have some of the best graphics as well. The world is huge and wide open, no instancing, tons of quests, very involved crafting, and diplomacy. There's a ton of races and classes too. What the hell does it take to satisfy some of you? I really think some of you just like to bitch of the sake of bitching.
They are undoubtably better, but I think some folks had higher expectations and are thus, disappointed. But I don't think anyone can seriously argue that they are not better. The other piece that is over-looked is that the customization is all back in and that these models are not suppose to be massive resource hogs with over the top poly-counts (or whatever it's called)
They are undoubtably better Boojiboy?
So why so many people in the official forum agree that the beta models and the models before the customization change were better?
Performance? Most of Vanguard players can run the game in balanced with the older characters and with no issues, most of performance problems in Vanguard are result of lack of optmization and not polys or shaders.
Yes they should be better, they should have more life, yes the animal races should have tails now... sorry, but they did a bad bad job.
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