Warhammer 40k MMO Lookout Blizzard

Retrad · May 2008

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6166560.html

Ok so this is about almost 1.5yrs old but I just heard about it. I don't know if Blizzard has even begun thinking about making a Starcraft MMO, but if not looks like Vigil is going to be in the lead to grab up all those sci-fi MMO lovers.

What would even be better if WAR 40k and WoS dropped in the same month...that'd be one epic standoff.

Torak · May 2008

Mythic isn't making 40k.

Retrad · May 2008

>.< shit you're right. It's the guys who made the RTS. The RTS is actually really good....better than SC imo.

I'm interested to see how it goes and looking forward to its release...even though I"m not much of one for Sci-fi.

puma713 · May 2008

I can see it now. . .Eldar Rangers, Space Marine Apothecaries, Ork Big Meks, Daemons - bet Tyranids would be a common enemy, although it would be cool to play a Hive Tyrant - maybe a pet class that can summon Carnifexes at level 80

Retrad · May 2008

all the races and classes in the warhammer 40k will be in the game.

puma713 · May 2008

Originally posted by Retrad

all the races and classes in the warhammer 40k will be in the game.

Annnnd how do you know this?

DeadlyMage · May 2008

this is old new man. i remember when it was first announced.

it gave me a b***r

Torak · May 2008

There is an article on this game in the currect issue of the US PC gamer. It doesn't give any details or pics but it does talk about what they are planning for it to be like. Its still a couple of years out though.

Kyerna · May 2008

Originally posted by puma713

Originally posted by Retrad

all the races and classes in the warhammer 40k will be in the game.

Annnnd how do you know this?

Ditto, would very much like to know that. I have my doubts on certain races making it as player characters, and I'm clueless what classes this previous guy is on about even tho I know the IP very well.
The Hive Tyrant class with Carnifex pets made me lol tho, Puma713!

DeadlyMage · May 2008

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Science fiction is OUT.
Star Trek gone, Star Wars gone and about every attempt of launching SF in the MMO world failed.
EVE is a hyped and too abstract game with 40 K users on line at the same time.
Somebody posted that it reminded him of a giant spreadsheet when playing so called PvP with it.
But the masses are no longer interested in SF.
The biggest failures are those SF games with traditional questing systems like in Tabula Rasa:
'Capt Kirk: Go get slaughter some bears.'
"PIGS in space" got a complete other dimension with these kind of quests in the space opera TR.

the fact that its warhammer will have millions at the edge of their seats

Torak · May 2008

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Science fiction is OUT.
Star Trek gone, Star Wars gone and about every attempt of launching SF in the MMO world failed.
EVE is a hyped and too abstract game with 40 K users on line at the same time.
Somebody posted that it reminded him of a giant spreadsheet when playing so called PvP with it.
But the masses are no longer interested in SF.
The biggest failures are those SF games with traditional questing systems like in Tabula Rasa:
'Capt Kirk: Go get slaughter some bears.'
"PIGS in space" got a complete other dimension with these kind of quests in the space opera TR.

Geezz...

No, whats "out" is traditional fantasy grinders.

No one wants to make them anymore. Blizzard dominated the genre and no one can make any headway.

We are going to see a lot less traditional MMOs over the next 5 years and the ones we do see are not going to be like what we have seen over the last 10 years.

The attitudes in this article have been echoed by most other game makers as well to include Bioware and SOE. They are all aiming at making games different from what is currently out there. Plan on seeing a bunch more free / social / mini game / heavily instanced type games not based in fantasy land in the future. That short list over on the left side (that keeps getting shorter) is full of games that have nothing to do with fantasy.

www.massively.com/2008/05/29/activision-ceo-blizzard-merger-best-way-to-enter-industry/

Torak · May 2008

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by DeadlyMage

the fact that its warhammer will have millions at the edge of their seats

Lore doesn't garantee a success.

Is there ANY bigger lore worldwide than Middle Earth ???

LOTRO = under 200K subs at the moment.

And compared to Middle earth the number of fans of Warhammer 40K is how much .. 0.5 %?

PC games sales of War40K are good but not breathtaking either and everyone knows the miniatures don't sell like they used to (more into the tenth thousands order).

Link your source for sales numbers please. Both miniatures and PC games. Since you said "everyone knows the miniatures don't sell like they used to" a sales comparison over the years would be nice also and "because everyone knows" it shouldn't be to hard to do.

Link your source for the LotR subscription numbers while you are at it. Last I heard they were claiming it was the second most played North American MMO.

DeadlyMage · May 2008

actually on the warhammer table top forums iv noticed a huge number of people joining the game in the las couple years,

the warhammer fanbase is huge

lotro is just three books

warhammer has sevral books and a vast history from the table top game

Scriar · May 2008

Its a shame they are playing it safe and going with a MMORPG. Would of loved to have a MMORTS, or an MMOFPS. Hopefully Stargate Worlds will do well, because it will be a evolution of Tabula Rasa's type of combat system, maybe theyll learn something from it to make it a better game. (Since I am assuming it is along the Tabula rasa more RPG like combat)

Anyway Ill wait and see, I can not remeber a Warhammer 40k game that I have not enjoyed of course they were all made by Relic and were RTS games. The only problem I can really see with this game is if it is to similar to Warhammer online: age of whatever. Or if they be really lazy and make a WoW clone in post apocalitpic setting ><

bee52 · May 2008

Originally posted by Retrad
>.< shit you're right. It's the guys who made the RTS.

The 40K mmo is not being developed by the same guys who did the RTS. It's being developed by Vigil Games. Relic developed the RTS. Both were published by THQ though.

As much as I love 40K I won't get excited about this until.. mmm.. 6 months from it being released.

And re what the devs are planning according to a few paragraphs in a gaming mag. They could scrap their whole design between now and then so don't hold your breath

Rommeli · May 2008

Originally posted by DeadlyMage

actually on the warhammer table top forums iv noticed a huge number of people joining the game in the las couple years,
the warhammer fanbase is huge

lotro is just three books

warhammer has sevral books and a vast history from the table top game

Warhammer isnt anywhere near to success of Lotro books. Its been most read book in the world. And book readers usually arent Mmo game players, so no need to bring that up. Same can be said about movies.

It can have good amount of players, but Blizz will never be worried. Only Blizz can kill Blizz and time. I would love good WH40k mmo to play, but hardly see how anyone can bring justice to it.

Liljna · May 2008

Originally posted by Torak

Link your source for sales numbers please. Both miniatures and PC games. Since you said "everyone knows the miniatures don't sell like they used to" a sales comparison over the years would be nice also and "because everyone knows" it shouldn't be to hard to do.

Link your source for the LotR subscription numbers while you are at it. Last I heard they were claiming it was the second most played North American MMO.

Turbine has their own subscription numbers, but they don't have the other companies. So you are right, when you say they claim they are they second largest. They don't know and I would like to see their source. You are so good at asking for links and sources (which can be a good thing), but you trust Turbine and don't ask them for links and sources?

Turbine can be trusted as much as a normal poster. It would be good if you were as critical towards Turbine as you are towards your fellow poster.

Beatnik59 · May 2008

When I hear mumblings about a 40K mmo, I cringe.

There is a reason Games Workshop published a Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, and didn't publish a Warhammer 40K Roleplay. Simply put, the 40K universe is not a place that is very condusive to creative individual character play.

I don't think it would be very fun for long to play a space marine, a howling banshee, or an ork. There is no room for creative license when playing these sorts, they have no possessions, no houses, no need to go "hunting for loot," because their weapons and equipment is provided; and no real purpose other than to be part of a squad, getting shoveled into the battle until they die, only to be replaced by someone who is exactly the same in every sense.

You have generals, farseers, etherials, chaos champions, etc. They don't go on "quests" though. They follow orders from superiors that are above question, until they die, and are replaced by some other hero that is more or less the same.

There is no room for individuality in any 40k empire, because these are mass societies that sustain themselves on collective self-sacrifice, rather than individual acts of heroism. All of these societies purge the individuality from their cultures, because individuality means death. The 40k universe isn't about freedom, or expression, or the journey from zero to hero. It's about being programed to fit a subservient role alongside a thousand or more other automotons whose only purpose is to kill and die in massed battles.

So the only real "content" one could expect in a 40K universe are massed battles. Not raids for loot, or collections, or crafting, or artwork, or social events. In short, none of the things that make the "massive" format better than your typical peer-to-peer combat game are available in a game that is all about killing and dying.

Now there are formats that do this sort of thing well, and formats that don't. It would seem 40K works well for turn based strategy, realtime strategy, and FPS. But a roleplaying game in a "massive," 24/7 virtual world? What would you do there that you couldn't do in a peer to peer FPS or RTS?

Xiaoki · May 2008

Originally posted by Liljna

Turbine has their own subscription numbers, but they don't have the other companies. So you are right, when you say they claim they are they second largest. They don't know and I would like to see their source.

The problem with Turbine's subscriber numbers for LotRO is that they will include everyone that bought the lifetime subscription, found they didn't like the game and uninstalled the game after the first month and has never played it since.

The MMO market will be very different when Warhammer 40k is released. It should be around 2012 or so. Who nows what we will be playing, how we will be playing it or even if the world won't be a smoking crater.

So, talking about whether or not it will have more or less subscriptions than some current MMO is quite moot at this point.

Vegetta · May 2008

Originally posted by DeadlyMage
actually on the warhammer table top forums iv noticed a huge number of people joining the game in the las couple years,
the warhammer fanbase is hugelotro is just three bookswarhammer has sevral books and a vast history from the table top game

There is a lOTRO miniatures game published by (GASP) Games workshop Been out since the first movie IIRC

the 40k MMO will either be Awesome Dipped in win or Fail dipped in poo. The game has been in development for ove ra year and ahlaf and they really have only relsead a couple of paragraphs about it so it (for me at least) is still to early to tell if it will be a good game or not.

bee52 · May 2008

I agree 100% with you Beatnik59.

Just finished reading Necropolis by Dan Abnett. Countless millions of soldiers, thousands of tanks and so forth spent on a campaign to take one city.

There was a hero every chapter or two in that book who ended up dying.

An MMORPG like WoW/WAR/AoC or whatever would just NOT do it justice.

Sure Mythic could get away with the dark humour in WAR. You can't do it with 40K though. It's a bleak future and you simply can't capture it in a MMORPG.

A MMORTS type game though would be an option though. Thousands of armies battling across the universe. That's more like 40K to me.

Clans of commanders with the 'guild leaders' leading armies of millions to conquer and recapture planets. That's more like it.

Back on the point you made, "Not raids for loot, or collections, or crafting, or artwork". There could be resource management on the planets your guild/army controls. Then there could be planets with STCs. Powerful in the Imperium's hands and certainly something people from other races would want to keep quiet and keep out of their hands.

Retrad · May 2008

Originally posted by puma713

Originally posted by Retrad

all the races and classes in the warhammer 40k will be in the game.

Annnnd how do you know this?

Let me find the link...

Retrad · May 2008

Ok...well...I don't know how many races are in the 40k world because I never played it but...this is the quote from the article...

"Other interesting tidbits from the article include note that the game will include all of the tabletop game's "important" races,"

I think it's safe to say that 40k will have as many if not a few more races in the game then WAR has.

Here is the link to the article that quote is from:

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/05/13/vigil-games-details-warhammer-40k-mmo/

and here's a link to a Q&A on another site

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6166560.html

I understand this is old news for some or most, but it's new to me and a few others apparently.

M1sf1t · May 2008

Originally posted by DeadlyMage
actually on the warhammer table top forums iv noticed a huge number of people joining the game in the las couple years,
the warhammer fanbase is hugelotro is just three bookswarhammer has sevral books and a vast history from the table top game

It's more like a huge amount of books. There is a huge amount of source material for the Warhammer 40k universe.

M1sf1t · May 2008

Originally posted by Retrad
Ok...well...I don't know how many races are in the 40k world because I never played it but...this is the quote from the article...
"Other interesting tidbits from the article include note that the game will include all of the tabletop game's "important" races,"
I think it's safe to say that 40k will have as many if not a few more races in the game then WAR has.

Here is the link to the article that quote is from:
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/05/13/vigil-games-details-warhammer-40k-mmo/
and here's a link to a Q&A on another site
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6166560.html

I understand this is old news for some or most, but it's new to me and a few others apparently.

Basically there are many minor alien species mentioned in fluff that aren't on the table top. Hell Traitor Chaos Guardsmen aren't even officially supported on the table top with minis though they are semi-supported via rules.

M1sf1t · May 2008

Originally posted by Beatnik59
When I hear mumblings about a 40K mmo, I cringe.
There is a reason Games Workshop published a Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, and didn't publish a Warhammer 40K Roleplay. Simply put, the 40K universe is not a place that is very condusive to creative individual character play.
I don't think it would be very fun for long to play a space marine, a howling banshee, or an ork. There is no room for creative license when playing these sorts, they have no possessions, no houses, no need to go "hunting for loot," because their weapons and equipment is provided; and no real purpose other than to be part of a squad, getting shoveled into the battle until they die, only to be replaced by someone who is exactly the same in every sense.
You have generals, farseers, etherials, chaos champions, etc. They don't go on "quests" though. They follow orders from superiors that are above question, until they die, and are replaced by some other hero that is more or less the same.
There is no room for individuality in any 40k empire, because these are mass societies that sustain themselves on collective self-sacrifice, rather than individual acts of heroism. All of these societies purge the individuality from their cultures, because individuality means death. The 40k universe isn't about freedom, or expression, or the journey from zero to hero. It's about being programed to fit a subservient role alongside a thousand or more other automotons whose only purpose is to kill and die in massed battles.
So the only real "content" one could expect in a 40K universe are massed battles. Not raids for loot, or collections, or crafting, or artwork, or social events. In short, none of the things that make the "massive" format better than your typical peer-to-peer combat game are available in a game that is all about killing and dying.
Now there are formats that do this sort of thing well, and formats that don't. It would seem 40K works well for turn based strategy, realtime strategy, and FPS. But a roleplaying game in a "massive," 24/7 virtual world? What would you do there that you couldn't do in a peer to peer FPS or RTS?

There is a 40k Roleplaying game out and it has been out for a while now.

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