Originally posted by Dillinger4 New video, and interview up. When the game goes into beta I will laugh at anyone who uses the term "vaporware"
Fine you laugh when we are playing a MMORPG, & your still sitting waiting for Darkfall.
lol you act like people refuse to play any other mmo while wating for darkfall, get your head out of your ass.... its not that big of a deal people will wait for df untill they have officialy cancelled no matter what kind of propaganda you spred on these forums. and guess what they will also be playing other mmo's while they wait!
Originally posted by superhero13 Darkfall is vaporware of the first degree. Either they dont really have a game anymore...production fell apart...Or the same marketing geniuses who decided not to updated the site will screw people over in customer service.Sorry guys...if this had come out 2 years ago...it would have been revolutionary. Now...is vaporware.
Probably he faces the same, problem I face, otherwise he's an idiot just making fun of a game which is vapourware because he can. This game is vapourware, but I still think it can be a great game.
My only problem is I don't have any faith or patience to expect anything great from the developers behind the game. I don't expect it to be what everyone hopes it to be, and I already saw a major flaw that the devs have made a descision on.
Who here has played WWIIOnline or Battleground Europe will know what i am talking about exactly. The fact that the graphics in WWII Online are unclear, a bit fuzzy and you can't make out what comes from the far distance, gave you an incredible disadvantage, if you didn't have binoculars. When you could see them, all you really saw were some pixels moving in the shape of either a little line or a blob lol. Anyway I read what Claus stated in the IRC channel about the minimum requirements. He said the game will be able to run on GF4.
Now I don't mean to sound like I am crazed over eye-candy but I think first person shooter games and any game, does deserve to have atleast sharp and clear graphics, not the greatest but atleast sharp and clear. Otherwise it frustrates you when you want to see your enemy at a distance! And I think they used this reason as an excuse, they stated that the game will have high fps in return. This is true, but when you fine tune a game's options and configuration, don't you get great FPS aswell, when the game engine is good anyway. The fact of the matter is, they can't afford to hold this game back anymore, because I am sure their investors are getting impatient and so is the community.
So could they be already attempting to make easy, the development of the game, by having not having many FPS problems? I mean an MMORPG, always has FPS problems because of the amount of activities that are going on and the PC has to be capable of doing. Now I don't mean to be trolling, but I am just trying to get this discussed this.
Now can we say that the graphics will be sharp and clear, even though the game will be able to play on a GF4 graphics card? Believe me, the graphics are a pain when you can't make out things in the distance in this day and age, because I am just so used to First person shooter games like Call Of Duty and others where I enjoy knowing the activities of my enemy. Anyway, what it produces is a limitation, of what information you can gather about your enemies movements and other things. All who play WWIIOnline, know this will be a sort of similar problem.
Now why make possible that the game is able to have a high FPS instead of attempting to make the game engine allow us to see clearly and a bit sharply, and have an FPS great to play with for a First Person Shooter type game. Why take the easy road?
Angerr is right, most of us are playing other games. I pick up the latest single-player games that come out and I'm also playing Eve Online right now. If Darkfall never gets released EVERY PvP MMORPG player should petition some development gaming company to implement Darkfall's design concepts. After playing MMO's for 7 years DF's design concepts are what I'm looking for in a game.
To Defect: I would say I'm a fan of the developers for having the balls and vision to even attempt creating a game like this. So why shouldn't I be a fan? I'm passionate about life (and my women!) and I bring that to the table in everything I do.
Originally posted by Defect Does it make a difference dipshit? No I think not. It just proves my point even more so.
What point would that be? z0mg this guy is a fan of this game, no wayz. He backs up all his points, forms complete sentances and thoughts, and 100% of his posts are mature.
Hes not out there putting down people for following/playing other games, he is just simply a fan of Darkfall, not a "fanboi". I think his attitude really shows how mature the Darkfall community is as a whole.
Originally posted by doobster Originally posted by DefectDoes it make a difference dipshit? No I think not. It just proves my point even more so. What point would that be? z0mg this guy is a fan of this game, no wayz. He backs up all his points, forms complete sentances and thoughts, and 100% of his posts are mature. Hes not out there putting down people for following/playing other games, he is just simply a fan of Darkfall, not a "fanboi". I think his attitude really shows how mature the Darkfall community is as a whole.
Agree.
Most Darkfall bashers are either EQ2 fanboi's new to MMORPG's, descending from CS or WoW whilst the Darkfall community in majority exists of old UO players 98~, Shadowbane players and so on.
People with a longer MMORPG experience and basically knows what a real MMORPG should be about, PvP.
I don't want to use the word carebear but most Darkfall bashers are playing PvE oriented games like EQ2 and WoW, yes WoW.
Ive been playing WoW since february and the PvP is more or less like a PvE grind, AV is like a PvE encounter with PvP elements, WSG is real good though and 5on5 group combat but that's not what the majority on PvP servers do.
I play WoW mainly for the PvE because the PvP was a real let down and as soon as DF is out WoW goes out the window.
Originally posted by DefectDoes it make a difference dipshit? No I think not. It just proves my point even more so.
What point would that be? z0mg this guy is a fan of this game, no wayz. He backs up all his points, forms complete sentances and thoughts, and 100% of his posts are mature. Hes not out there putting down people for following/playing other games, he is just simply a fan of Darkfall, not a "fanboi". I think his attitude really shows how mature the Darkfall community is as a whole.
Agree.
Most Darkfall bashers are either EQ2 fanboi's new to MMORPG's, descending from CS or WoW whilst the Darkfall community in majority exists of old UO players 98~, Shadowbane players and so on.
People with a longer MMORPG experience and basically knows what a real MMORPG should be about, PvP.
I don't want to use the word carebear but most Darkfall bashers are playing PvE oriented games like EQ2 and WoW, yes WoW.
Ive been playing WoW since february and the PvP is more or less like a PvE grind, AV is like a PvE encounter with PvP elements, WSG is real good though and 5on5 group combat but that's not what the majority on PvP servers do.
I play WoW mainly for the PvE because the PvP was a real let down and as soon as DF is out WoW goes out the window.
Yeah - you're pretty much totally wrong about what most darkfall bashers are.
Most people "bashing" DF, if you can call saying the game is vaporware bashing, are people who have been waiting for the game for the last 5 years and are starting to lose patience. That is to be expected - 5 years is a long time to wait for a video game. As far as people "bashing" the game because it is PvP based - i really havent seen that at all.
Saying that most DF bashers play WoW is a bit fallacious as well, as the vast majority of MMORPG players, in NA and Europe anyways, play WoW. (I don't disagree with you at all about how disappointing WoW's pvp was though...)
My advice would be to be a little less condescending, as it seems rather unfounded, and to be more understanding as to why people would begin to lose hope after all this time. Recent failed launches of other PvP-centric games also has a lot of PvPers nervous. Now that there is that video floating around - we should start to hear less and less about this game being VW...
Originally posted by i<3robots Originally posted by IIRLOriginally posted by doobsterOriginally posted by DefectDoes it make a difference dipshit? No I think not. It just proves my point even more so. What point would that be? z0mg this guy is a fan of this game, no wayz. He backs up all his points, forms complete sentances and thoughts, and 100% of his posts are mature.Hes not out there putting down people for following/playing other games, he is just simply a fan of Darkfall, not a "fanboi". I think his attitude really shows how mature the Darkfall community is as a whole.Agree. Most Darkfall bashers are either EQ2 fanboi's new to MMORPG's, descending from CS or WoW whilst the Darkfall community in majority exists of old UO players 98~, Shadowbane players and so on. People with a longer MMORPG experience and basically knows what a real MMORPG should be about, PvP. I don't want to use the word carebear but most Darkfall bashers are playing PvE oriented games like EQ2 and WoW, yes WoW. Ive been playing WoW since february and the PvP is more or less like a PvE grind, AV is like a PvE encounter with PvP elements, WSG is real good though and 5on5 group combat but that's not what the majority on PvP servers do. I play WoW mainly for the PvE because the PvP was a real let down and as soon as DF is out WoW goes out the window. Yeah - you're pretty much totally wrong about what most darkfall bashers are. Most people "bashing" DF, if you can call saying the game is vaporware bashing, are people who have been waiting for the game for the last 5 years and are starting to lose patience. That is to be expected - 5 years is a long time to wait for a video game. As far as people "bashing" the game because it is PvP based - i really havent seen that at all. Saying that most DF bashers play WoW is a bit fallacious as well, as the vast majority of MMORPG players, in NA and Europe anyways, play WoW. (I don't disagree with you at all about how disappointing WoW's pvp was though...) My advice would be to be a little less condescending, as it seems rather unfounded, and to be more understanding as to why people would begin to lose hope after all this time. Recent failed launches of other PvP-centric games also has a lot of PvPers nervous. Now that there is that video floating around - we should start to hear less and less about this game being VW...
What I wrote is 100% fact, I should know, Im an Inuit with a PED in everything related to this matter.
Originally posted by strouse it's still 100% vaporware.. They release a LEAKED out video a few days ago and say its from "ALPHA" and now all of a sudden they got a BETA? hah
MMORPG.com releases a exclusive interview, you still say its vaporware
Claus comes into IRC and says the game will be released, you people still say its vaporware
The video gets leaked of a playable version, you people still say its vaporware
A "closed beta invitation" has been sent to guilds, you people STILL say its vaporware
Why dont you idiots go mindlessly bash some MOBs in WoW, and leave us alone. We get it, you dont like PvP, no reason to come to our forums and say stupid stuff about this game.
Originally posted by strouse it's still 100% vaporware.. They release a LEAKED out video a few days ago and say its from "ALPHA" and now all of a sudden they got a BETA? hah
ROFL ok strouse.
You are one of those people who like to stick to their guns when your position is outflanked and being overrun. That's cool. I'm sure that when Darkfall releases you'll be back here posting Darkfall is 99% vaporware or something to that effect.
I find it highly amusing that you love to post in a forum for a game you consider vaporware. God, that is almost as much a waste of time as me replying to it!
"MMORPG.com releases a exclusive interview, you still say its vaporware
Claus comes into IRC and says the game will be released, you people still say its vaporware
The video gets leaked of a playable version, you people still say its vaporware
A "closed beta invitation" has been sent to guilds, you people STILL say its vaporware"
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A game can have all that and still easily be vaporware.. Dragon Empires i am sure had ten times more done at the point it was cancelled than darkfall does right now after 4 years of work.
Actually, some of us left not because of the total lack of communication or respect for their fanbase... Not because they released the copyright to the name "DarkFall" and now another game is already published with that same name...
But because this game started with distinct races with distinct powers, abilities and has since then been 'balanced' to be nothing close to that.
Now it appears to be a open pvp game where all the races are basically the same in powers and abilities. Nothing to really get worked up over.
And no, I do not believe it is acceptable to spend 5 years to design a open pvp game that has little or no differance between the character races other then the graphic representation. Hopefully they have at least 1/10th the features they promised for years but until alot of us hear from players or a revised game FAQ, we must assume otherwise.
Any product is Vaporware until it is released by definition. But for anyone who is a Darkfall Fan or interested. The link below provides lots of content regarding DF .. happy reading.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
I dont get it, darkfall announced a beta in 2003, but the fanbois claim the game development has started in 2003. Aragon100 or downtoearth ? Do you guys care to elaborate ?
Example above of someone who is trying to prove a point but can't, interesting very interesting. We all know the answer,
I guess a troll trying to prove a point that has no relevance in reality is amusing.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Isane could you add some more substance to your post instead of simply trying to insult the poster you quoted? Of course we all know the answer to that too; NO because you're a Darkfall fanatic who will spit in face of facts and objectivity if those things may be bad for the game's image. The undeniable fact is that Darkfall was announced in 2001 and has therefore been in some form of development since at least that time.
On another note, this thread delivers the LOLs. Looking back from 2008 it's funny that skeptics have speculated that Darkfall is vaporware as early as 2004, and the fanboys have been defending it since then as well. When it comes to Darkfall history really does repeat itself.
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Fine you laugh when we are playing a MMORPG, & your still sitting waiting for Darkfall.
lol you act like people refuse to play any other mmo while wating for darkfall, get your head out of your ass.... its not that big of a deal people will wait for df untill they have officialy cancelled no matter what kind of propaganda you spred on these forums. and guess what they will also be playing other mmo's while they wait!
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
Darkfall is vaporware of the first degree.
Either they dont really have a game anymore...production fell apart...
Or the same marketing geniuses who decided not to updated the site will screw people over in customer service.
Sorry guys...if this had come out 2 years ago...it would have been revolutionary. Now...is vaporware.
If it's vaporware, then wtf are you doing here?
Probably he faces the same, problem I face, otherwise he's an idiot just making fun of a game which is vapourware because he can. This game is vapourware, but I still think it can be a great game.
My only problem is I don't have any faith or patience to expect anything great from the developers behind the game. I don't expect it to be what everyone hopes it to be, and I already saw a major flaw that the devs have made a descision on.
Who here has played WWIIOnline or Battleground Europe will know what i am talking about exactly. The fact that the graphics in WWII Online are unclear, a bit fuzzy and you can't make out what comes from the far distance, gave you an incredible disadvantage, if you didn't have binoculars. When you could see them, all you really saw were some pixels moving in the shape of either a little line or a blob lol. Anyway I read what Claus stated in the IRC channel about the minimum requirements. He said the game will be able to run on GF4.
Now I don't mean to sound like I am crazed over eye-candy but I think first person shooter games and any game, does deserve to have atleast sharp and clear graphics, not the greatest but atleast sharp and clear. Otherwise it frustrates you when you want to see your enemy at a distance! And I think they used this reason as an excuse, they stated that the game will have high fps in return. This is true, but when you fine tune a game's options and configuration, don't you get great FPS aswell, when the game engine is good anyway. The fact of the matter is, they can't afford to hold this game back anymore, because I am sure their investors are getting impatient and so is the community.
So could they be already attempting to make easy, the development of the game, by having not having many FPS problems? I mean an MMORPG, always has FPS problems because of the amount of activities that are going on and the PC has to be capable of doing. Now I don't mean to be trolling, but I am just trying to get this discussed this.
Now can we say that the graphics will be sharp and clear, even though the game will be able to play on a GF4 graphics card? Believe me, the graphics are a pain when you can't make out things in the distance in this day and age, because I am just so used to First person shooter games like Call Of Duty and others where I enjoy knowing the activities of my enemy. Anyway, what it produces is a limitation, of what information you can gather about your enemies movements and other things. All who play WWIIOnline, know this will be a sort of similar problem.
Now why make possible that the game is able to have a high FPS instead of attempting to make the game engine allow us to see clearly and a bit sharply, and have an FPS great to play with for a First Person Shooter type game. Why take the easy road?
If you had any fucking clue about the game, you'd know he's an official moderator of Darkfall Community.
Angerr is right, most of us are playing other games. I pick up the latest single-player games that come out and I'm also playing Eve Online right now. If Darkfall never gets released EVERY PvP MMORPG player should petition some development gaming company to implement Darkfall's design concepts. After playing MMO's for 7 years DF's design concepts are what I'm looking for in a game.
To Defect: I would say I'm a fan of the developers for having the balls and vision to even attempt creating a game like this. So why shouldn't I be a fan? I'm passionate about life (and my women!) and I bring that to the table in everything I do.
What point would that be? z0mg this guy is a fan of this game, no wayz. He backs up all his points, forms complete sentances and thoughts, and 100% of his posts are mature.
Hes not out there putting down people for following/playing other games, he is just simply a fan of Darkfall, not a "fanboi". I think his attitude really shows how mature the Darkfall community is as a whole.
Agree.
Most Darkfall bashers are either EQ2 fanboi's new to MMORPG's, descending from CS or WoW whilst the Darkfall community in majority exists of old UO players 98~, Shadowbane players and so on.
People with a longer MMORPG experience and basically knows what a real MMORPG should be about, PvP.
I don't want to use the word carebear but most Darkfall bashers are playing PvE oriented games like EQ2 and WoW, yes WoW.
Ive been playing WoW since february and the PvP is more or less like a PvE grind, AV is like a PvE encounter with PvP elements, WSG is real good though and 5on5 group combat but that's not what the majority on PvP servers do.
I play WoW mainly for the PvE because the PvP was a real let down and as soon as DF is out WoW goes out the window.
I CREATED MYSELF!
"<Claus|Dev> i r pk"
SW:TOR|War40K:DMO|GW2
Agree.
Most Darkfall bashers are either EQ2 fanboi's new to MMORPG's, descending from CS or WoW whilst the Darkfall community in majority exists of old UO players 98~, Shadowbane players and so on.
People with a longer MMORPG experience and basically knows what a real MMORPG should be about, PvP.
I don't want to use the word carebear but most Darkfall bashers are playing PvE oriented games like EQ2 and WoW, yes WoW.
Ive been playing WoW since february and the PvP is more or less like a PvE grind, AV is like a PvE encounter with PvP elements, WSG is real good though and 5on5 group combat but that's not what the majority on PvP servers do.
I play WoW mainly for the PvE because the PvP was a real let down and as soon as DF is out WoW goes out the window.
Yeah - you're pretty much totally wrong about what most darkfall bashers are.
Most people "bashing" DF, if you can call saying the game is vaporware bashing, are people who have been waiting for the game for the last 5 years and are starting to lose patience. That is to be expected - 5 years is a long time to wait for a video game. As far as people "bashing" the game because it is PvP based - i really havent seen that at all.
Saying that most DF bashers play WoW is a bit fallacious as well, as the vast majority of MMORPG players, in NA and Europe anyways, play WoW. (I don't disagree with you at all about how disappointing WoW's pvp was though...)
My advice would be to be a little less condescending, as it seems rather unfounded, and to be more understanding as to why people would begin to lose hope after all this time. Recent failed launches of other PvP-centric games also has a lot of PvPers nervous. Now that there is that video floating around - we should start to hear less and less about this game being VW...
What I wrote is 100% fact, I should know, Im an Inuit with a PED in everything related to this matter.
I CREATED MYSELF!
"<Claus|Dev> i r pk"
SW:TOR|War40K:DMO|GW2
Here's a tidbit for all the vaporware posters:
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=14442
it's still 100% vaporware..
They release a LEAKED out video a few days ago and say its from "ALPHA" and now all of a sudden they got a BETA?
hah
Ya ever think it might have been very late alpha? It looked more complete than most alphas I've seen.
MMORPG.com releases a exclusive interview, you still say its vaporware
Claus comes into IRC and says the game will be released, you people still say its vaporware
The video gets leaked of a playable version, you people still say its vaporware
A "closed beta invitation" has been sent to guilds, you people STILL say its vaporware
Why dont you idiots go mindlessly bash some MOBs in WoW, and leave us alone. We get it, you dont like PvP, no reason to come to our forums and say stupid stuff about this game.
ROFL ok strouse.
You are one of those people who like to stick to their guns when your position is outflanked and being overrun. That's cool. I'm sure that when Darkfall releases you'll be back here posting Darkfall is 99% vaporware or something to that effect.
I find it highly amusing that you love to post in a forum for a game you consider vaporware. God, that is almost as much a waste of time as me replying to it!
"MMORPG.com releases a exclusive interview, you still say its vaporware
Claus comes into IRC and says the game will be released, you people still say its vaporware
The video gets leaked of a playable version, you people still say its vaporware
A "closed beta invitation" has been sent to guilds, you people STILL say its vaporware"
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A game can have all that and still easily be vaporware.. Dragon Empires i am sure had ten times more done at the point it was cancelled than darkfall does right now after 4 years of work.
Actually, some of us left not because of the total lack of communication or respect for their fanbase...
Not because they released the copyright to the name "DarkFall" and now another game is already published with that same name...
But because this game started with distinct races with distinct powers, abilities and has since then been 'balanced' to be nothing close to that.
Now it appears to be a open pvp game where all the races are basically the same in powers and abilities. Nothing to really get worked up over.
And no, I do not believe it is acceptable to spend 5 years to design a open pvp game that has little or no differance between the character races other then the graphic representation.
Hopefully they have at least 1/10th the features they promised for years but until alot of us hear from players or a revised game FAQ, we must assume otherwise.
So, if the devs announced "internal beta in Fall 2003" .... how long has this game been in beta?
My math isn't so good. Is that four-plus years in internal beta, or almost five?
Any product is Vaporware until it is released by definition. But for anyone who is a Darkfall Fan or interested. The link below provides lots of content regarding DF .. happy reading.
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
I dont get it, darkfall announced a beta in 2003, but the fanbois claim the game development has started in 2003.
Aragon100 or downtoearth ? Do you guys care to elaborate ?
I guess a troll trying to prove a point that has no relevance in reality is amusing.
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Isane could you add some more substance to your post instead of simply trying to insult the poster you quoted? Of course we all know the answer to that too; NO because you're a Darkfall fanatic who will spit in face of facts and objectivity if those things may be bad for the game's image. The undeniable fact is that Darkfall was announced in 2001 and has therefore been in some form of development since at least that time.
On another note, this thread delivers the LOLs. Looking back from 2008 it's funny that skeptics have speculated that Darkfall is vaporware as early as 2004, and the fanboys have been defending it since then as well. When it comes to Darkfall history really does repeat itself.
So, if the devs announced "internal beta in Fall 2003" .... how long has this game been in beta?
My math isn't so good. Is that four-plus years in internal beta, or almost five?
Iijs, your new title shall be...
Thread necromancer.