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McCain the favorite of anti-war Republicans
(CNN) — Another surprising finding in the national exit polls: John McCain — who has made the war in Iraq and the need for continued U.S. involvement there a centerpiece of his campaign — is actually winning among Republicans who are against the war. Among those Republicans who disapprove of the war, nearly half voted for McCain, while only a quarter voted for Mitt Romney — even though McCain spent the past few weeks trying to portray Romney as more liberal on the war.
Moderates — those most likely to disapprove of Iraq – seem to simply prefer McCain, even when they don't square on the issues.
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I hope that is fake, but wouln't suprise me. Maybe the poll is wrong and its not so much Anti War people but people who are angry for how it has been managed. Still seems like their are alot of stupid and misinformed people voting.
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Your remarks are preety one-sided. This dosent mean stupid, uninformed people are voting, it could mean they believe McCain can handle the war alot better than bush. I mean shit, McCain is a former soldier, POW, everybody knows that. Hes been in a war, he knows what those soldiers see and deal with and go through. Bush went AWOL from the fucking Air Force, the end.
During war times, I personally would rather have the head of this country being somebody who knows what the soldiers want and what what they are going through. Not somebody who knows nothing but what Congress wants him to hear, Bush.
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There is one significant difference between McCain Pro-war, and Other republican pro-war.
McCain was HIGHLY critical of Rumsfeld and his strategy on Iraq. He pushed for the surge before it was really a big item which has largely tamped down violence there. Other Republicans can't say that.
McCain was pushing extremely hard for an increase nearly from the beginning. He was pretty well chastised over it too. I just wish McCain wasn't off track in so many other areas in my opinion.
The funny part is that the right wing nutjobs seem to hate him and like Romney.
As to the question about American voters being stupid, I'd say that the primaries are a horrible gage. Our general elections have piss-poor attendance and our primaries are utterly disgraceful. I didn't write the numbers down, but there are some entire states with less than 100,000 people voting. I also think that "we" tend to underestimate how many people vote based on 1 or 2 topics. You may think this is "stupid" but the reality is that at least they are learning who supports their 2 topics and sticking to that person. Seriously, is it a bad or stupid thing to vote for who you think supports your 2 top agenda items? I say no, at least those people have chosen their stance and voted. Think about the other 10's of millions that are not voting at all. They are the ones I freely call "stupid." More power to me though.
Edit: I originally wrote less than 1000 people voting rather than 100,000.
I dunno I want war though because it makes being in the army fun, otherwise i'd just be training all my life back in Britian and just firering blanks down a range and training exercises all the time. Sure you see some bad shit and sure you wonder why the hell you signed up when you're being shot at, but at the same times it's fun and you become close with the other soldiers. Not only that but i don't want to exit Iraq and show the Taliban we're pussies because then they'd feel like they won the war and tbh I wouldn't want the embarrassment.
Have to say this though, we all came there thinking they'd be tramps with cheap guns and not know anything about firering a gun lol............ they're amazing fighters who know their land, feels like Vietnam lol.
Woo, McCain won super Tuesday. Ohh ya, this calls for a celebration. When you take the key issues on the Republican Ballot like Immigration and the Iraq War, who do you want making decisions on them? McCain is from a border state and constantly has to deal with immigration, he is also ex-military with a very praised track-record. Ontop of it he isn't a pussy lapdog that says stuff just for pandering, even though it makes him look bad in the end.
Also I agree on the pulling out of Iraq idea. We would lose alot of face. Just look what happened when the philipinnes pulled out its several thousand troops from Iraq to save the filipino truck driver. People came to the ships telling the soldiers to go back.
mccain is a sellout.
he had a backroom deal with kennedy to grant illegals amnesty and access to social security and of course, free health care. 12million illegals (and their family members) access to government services... how anyone liberal, moderate, republican or conservative does not see this as fiscally irresponsible to existing americans and insane for an already broken system.
if I broke the law, would he be so generous to me, an american?
that is the only issue i have with mccain, and its a doozey.
if he does win, i hope he appoints good judges...thats really all that matters for this country. unfortunately there is no such thing as bipartisan judges.
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We're not going to win a war where they use their religion to not allow us to bomb them i mean they fight and hide in mosques so we can't fire at them. I mean they can build a new mosque and these people using it as a fort don't even know what their religion is about, just using it as a excuse to kill people.
Personally, i feel that we lost that war but i dont think we could be considered 'pussies'. But i have seen numerous Americans say, to use a quote to make my point, 'We won the war but lost the peace'.
Couldnt, and why hasnt, similar logic be applied here?
some people feel we have not yet lost the peace, in this war.since democrats and republicans overwhelmingly commited to war in 2002(3) and detroyed the former infrastructure of the iraqi people, would it not be wise to re-establish their country and than leave? especially, in light of recent successes. I feel the only thing left to do is to continue providing security until they have a army/police that can do it themselves. I think the worst is behind us but, failure in iraq has political benefits to a certain party that will remain nameless...
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Personally, i feel that we lost that war but i dont think we could be considered 'pussies'. But i have seen numerous Americans say, to use a quote to make my point, 'We won the war but lost the peace'.
Couldnt, and why hasnt, similar logic be applied here?
some people feel we have not yet lost the peace, in this war.since democrats and republicans overwhelmingly commited to war in 2002(3) and detroyed the former infrastructure of the iraqi people, would it not be wise to re-establish their country and than leave? especially, in light of recent successes. I feel the only thing left to do is to continue providing security until they have a army/police that can do it themselves. I think the worst is behind us but, failure in iraq has political benefits to a certain party that will remain nameless...
I agree there, if we were to pull out at this stage, it would be a very poor reflection on our respective governments. But i do think that this is not the time to be ramping up hostilities, i think the time really has come for a peace keeping force and the focus should be purely on rebuilding and not fighting.I have always believed that all troops in Iraq should be wearing the blue armband anyway.
I also do not see how Iraq could be considered anything but a failure. At this stage all we can really hope for is compromise and improvement on the situation we have helped to have caused.
Those who do not support the war aren't specific to any one colour. Dont polls suggest that over 70% of Americans believe we should pull out of Iraq? Similar statistics have been reported in my country as well. Surely this is more than the supporters of one particular party? Surely this issue is bigger than a blue/red issue, especially considering the other countries that support the war effort with troops and manpower.
I think i explained how we got to the 70% number you cite in my previous discussions.I also think you and many others are being narrow sighted in the 'failure' of this war.
I think failure will be labeled when history sees it appropriate. nation building takes a long time, as history has shown. In 10-20 years we shall see if this endeavor was truly a failure, that so many politicians have labeled it.
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oh also.
I do think this war has had its failures and errors and misjudgements....as all wars do.
adaptation.
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If McCain gets voted in he will be the highest ranking Military Memeber elected since what? Eisenhower? McCain was a Navy Captain when he retired. His Father and Grandfather were both 4 star Admirals.
McCain is by far the most qualified to run the country from a Military standpoint that is for sure.
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im no history buff but ill ask general questions
has buddhism faced opposition?
in the eyes of the aggressor of that opposition, would they call buddhism a success or failure to this day?
has christianity faced opposition? is it a 'peaceful' religion compared to the days of old? has it evolved?
I prefer to think outside the box. so forgive me if this makes no sense to you at all but, it does make perfect sense to me.
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I also think your political arguments against me are incorrect, as i do not vote for American political parties nor do i watch American news channels. It has also been shown that those who do not believe in the success of the Iraq War are not members of one particular political party or socio-economical status. There is a hell of a lot more people, other than politicians of one particular political party, claiming this war to be a failure.
Also, if you do not believe this war is a failure, what has been successful with it?
While I don't fully disagree with what you are saying one particular area is totally false.WMDs found... none
Death rate reduced... the opposite
Public services improved... nope
Democracy sucessfully enstated... nope
Domino effect proven... nope
Guantanamo Bay... Shown to be illegal for many reasons
Its quite easy to actually QUANTIFY this as a failure, i see no LOGICAL or QUANTIFIABLE way to deem the Iraq war as successful in any way. Just a lot of people telling me that "History will think different", "Just wait" and other highly subjective discussions.
Death rate has actually reduced in Iraq since the war broke out. Isn't that a total kicker? The country is actually safer for its residents with a full out war then it was under a dictator.
According to the CIA Worldbook
In 2000 Iraq had a death rate of 6.4 deaths per 1000 people
in 2003 (year the war broke out) 5.84 per 1000
In 2004, 5.66 per 1000
In 2005, 5.49 per 1000
In 2006, 5.37 per 1000
In 2007, 5.29 per 1000
So that looks like an actually decrease in deaths ratio since the US has gone into Iraq. Which is odd considering all the deaths caused by war huh?
Iraq has the 186th highest death rate (as of 2007) of any country in the world. Some of the countries wiht higher death rates :
Germany - 56
Portugal - 58
Italy - 59
Belgium - 64
Denmark - 65
Sweden - 66
United Kingdom - 67
European Union - 69
World average - 99th place which is 8.37 deaths per 1000 people.
United States - 104
Liechtenstein - 127
Iceland - 140
So Iraq isn't quite the hot spot of death that the Mass Media makes it out to be. there are Cities in the US with higher death ratios then all of Iraq. And If I was a betting man I would say that you live in one of those countries Nasica that has a higher death rate then Iraq does.
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dare I say, those are some optimistic numbers regarding Iraq.
I hope that trend continues.
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Just finish watching "Sicko", and have been following the republican and democratic debate for the pass few months, i believe that the democrate will win this up coming elections, given what the current administrations have done.
However, if the Conspiracy theory is true, than regardless of who is voted and step into the white house, nothing will be change....
I'm very sad about the current situations of American healthcare system. And if the NAU is true, than according to what 1 of the interviewer have said ( in sicko), the best way to govern a country is thru fear and demoralize.
Hope Alex Jones have something to said about the current situations...
ps: american healthcare sux!!!
RIP Orc Choppa
If everyone in our country had access to the level of care that our healthcare system provides then America would have the number 1 healthcare system in the world. Our actual medical care is really that good.
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Are you for real????????
Nothing about any sort of real violence is fun(im excluding MMA type activities), any circumstance where someone else could lose their life is not perfect, it can be justified, it could be absolutely the right thing to do, and it could also ruin lives on both sides.
In all fairness i supported moving into Iraq not for WMD's but for human rights violation the man was worse then kim jong il by a long shot.
But wanting war is absolutely retarded The phrase goes"hope for peace prepare for war"
The only reason we came even close to being considered "pussies" in vietnam was the way we were limited to fight the war. If we had handled that war like we did with Korea or World war II we would have destroyed them entirely.
In Korea(perfect example) we were called on to defend the democracy of south korea now the difference in strategy between vietnam and korea is in Korea we fought to take territory from the enemy. In vietnam we kept on pushing them back the same border even though we could have easily moved across and saved many lives on both sides.
Iraq also has the same problem where insurgants come across a border we can't cross(im not particularly in favor of war with Iran though)
Vietnam the major problem was we viewed our success by body count, where if we had pushed across the border and measured it by mile they would have been up shit creek.
Vietnam was just handled wrong by the government which was half in half out at any given point.
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The US gained control of the Philippines in 1898 after the Spanish American War. The US pulled out all its forces in 1991. The time spent there was probably made longer due to the occupation of the Japanese for 2 years, and the unpopularity it gained from the filipino resistance that ended in the US doing some unmoralistic things. But that should give a timeline of how long it takes the US to pull out after it has victored a war. We are still in Korea, Japan, and Germany to this day. With previous experience, it should be obvious we will be there for a while.
What adds to McCain's popularity is Rush Limbaughs distaste for him. There are people who are anti-war that would vote for McCain if Rush Limbaugh was against his nomination.
I also think your political arguments against me are incorrect, as i do not vote for American political parties nor do i watch American news channels. It has also been shown that those who do not believe in the success of the Iraq War are not members of one particular political party or socio-economical status. There is a hell of a lot more people, other than politicians of one particular political party, claiming this war to be a failure.
Also, if you do not believe this war is a failure, what has been successful with it?
While I don't fully disagree with what you are saying one particular area is totally false.WMDs found... none
Death rate reduced... the opposite
Public services improved... nope
Democracy sucessfully enstated... nope
Domino effect proven... nope
Guantanamo Bay... Shown to be illegal for many reasons
Its quite easy to actually QUANTIFY this as a failure, i see no LOGICAL or QUANTIFIABLE way to deem the Iraq war as successful in any way. Just a lot of people telling me that "History will think different", "Just wait" and other highly subjective discussions.
Death rate has actually reduced in Iraq since the war broke out. Isn't that a total kicker? The country is actually safer for its residents with a full out war then it was under a dictator.
According to the CIA Worldbook
In 2000 Iraq had a death rate of 6.4 deaths per 1000 people
in 2003 (year the war broke out) 5.84 per 1000
In 2004, 5.66 per 1000
In 2005, 5.49 per 1000
In 2006, 5.37 per 1000
In 2007, 5.29 per 1000
So that looks like an actually decrease in deaths ratio since the US has gone into Iraq. Which is odd considering all the deaths caused by war huh?
Iraq has the 186th highest death rate (as of 2007) of any country in the world. Some of the countries wiht higher death rates :
Germany - 56
Portugal - 58
Italy - 59
Belgium - 64
Denmark - 65
Sweden - 66
United Kingdom - 67
European Union - 69
World average - 99th place which is 8.37 deaths per 1000 people.
United States - 104
Liechtenstein - 127
Iceland - 140
So Iraq isn't quite the hot spot of death that the Mass Media makes it out to be. there are Cities in the US with higher death ratios then all of Iraq. And If I was a betting man I would say that you live in one of those countries Nasica that has a higher death rate then Iraq does.
Ethnic cleaning in Iraq is coming to a stop.
The US Government has temperaly allied with some rebals and are arming them.
A large precentage of Iraqis are now refuges.
With three diffrent ethnic groups that each hate each other gething a stable government will be hard if not imposible. And without a strong stable government the country will never be safe.
If any of the current front runners anointed by the propaganda masters in the mass media succeed in winning the oval office life in these United States is going to get exponentially more difficult in the years ahead. We will be reaping what we have now sown.
We can only blame it on the stupid people (ourselves) who had a chance to lead us out of this mess but, arrogantly chose not to do so.
Prepare for the worst times in the history of mankind. For people have chosen to suffer.
Stop this insanity !!Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Turn off your television.
Get real.
Get Online.
Do your research.
Get informed.
That is all.
Turn off the television.
Turn off the computer.
Get a book that is older than you.
Read.
Be a better person.
That is all.