Players intentionally did something they knew they were not supposed to do. The "reasons" are irrelevant. They got caught. They got punished. For several, it was not the first time. Now, they should get on with their lives.
That still does not conpensate the fact that the lead dev is inconsistant with anything he does. What Meinard did with changeing the files is also something wrong and he knew it while doing it. Reguardless "the reasons". Yet he did not get banned.
Had RB took into consideration what the entire RV community has asked for in the past which was the ablility to have a client that by passed the patcher which takes way too long for many people to patch. This would not have been a problem. There is a differance between cheating for an advantage and "cheating" using something like a test client, which was basicly only used to by pass the patcher.
Bypassing the patcher allows you to modify the files allowing major cheats.
I've changed sounds in the patcher'd one before, it isn't all that hard...
all you have to do is replace one file with another of the same name..
In fact I'm pretty sure you could make a dummy .exe and thereby get past the check feature that the client has to verify that the .exe is running..
Add to that the fact that I have found out how to do a lot of nice things with a memory editor, after being banned of course, and never to my own advantage. You know it's amazing how completely full of security holes etc RV is for cheating. Not only that but you can speedhack your way right accross a board in 10 seconds without losing vigour if you walk. RB has put NO anti cheat systems whatsoever in place, if they want to catch cheaters, they have to go throug their extensive logs by hand and something like a timestamp is easily missed.. and that's only when something of such a "HUGE" magnitude is going on..
It took them a full week to decide who should be banned after the taxing..
A controversy. I figured that RV had written its last interesting chapter. I'm not surprised about the controversy being about mass cheating--it is not because RB cracks down on cheaters that news of mass banning the cheaters is so common. No, it's because cheating is so common. Fancy that.
From what I know of most RV vets--and I mean those players who weather a few months of gameplay without disappearing, not the more elitist sense of the word--they all more or less play fast and loose with the rules. I can't count the number of crafters I've seen adding over and over to projects without responding to questions. One said later she had her kid doing her project adds for her. Poor kid. As a humanitarian, I hope she was indeed macroing as I suspect. And I know one reason why the test client was so valuable: looking up object IDs in order to write easy keybinds like /aid 19184 which would bypass a shit-ton of mouse-clicking in treating the incapacitated. That's one example out of a multitude. We beta testers knew how all that can be done.
RV encourages cheating because its gameplay is tedious and numbing without any shortcuts. Many will vow adamantly at this point that they never cheated, no doubt, and have happily played RV since launch. It's all a matter of degrees. Even alt-tabbing with F7 depressed is not playing as intended, so it is like the old joke about the man offering a million dollars to a girl for sex, then offending her by lowering his offer to twenty bucks when she agrees.
If you've ever used F7 to bypass the log-out mechanism so others could train on you, then hey man, we're just haggling over the price here. You're a cheater who got around RV's tedious gameplay by unintended features (in this case, the continuous repetition of any key pressed before an alt-tab.)
If you're a RV veteran and you haven't cheated in the slightest, give yourself a pat on the back--but only if your repetitive stress injuries can handle the strain.
Now, they should get on with their lives.
Wisest words here. Fair or unfair doesn't matter much. KFR can do whatever he likes in RV, except perhaps force people to enjoy his game. You're banned. Spend the rest of your lives well.
You all have valid points, every one of you exept that person Smartwhois and the way i see it is were only human to want to cheat b/c it is only natrual to find an easier way to do things. as cyne posted above, if you ever done something little such as F7 and alt-tab you cheated and if anyone denies it shame on you. now as stated above twice i will move on with my life and hope that Darkfall comes out soon.
p.s. as some vets are here i wish you all good luck and good bye as i could not do it in the RV forums.
A controversy. I figured that RV had written its last interesting chapter. I'm not surprised about the controversy being about mass cheating--it is not because RB cracks down on cheaters that news of mass banning the cheaters is so common. No, it's because cheating is so common. Fancy that. From what I know of most RV vets--and I mean those players who weather a few months of gameplay without disappearing, not the more elitist sense of the word--they all more or less play fast and loose with the rules. I can't count the number of crafters I've seen adding over and over to projects without responding to questions. One said later she had her kid doing her project adds for her. Poor kid. As a humanitarian, I hope she was indeed macroing as I suspect. And I know one reason why the test client was so valuable: looking up object IDs in order to write easy keybinds like /aid 19184 which would bypass a shit-ton of mouse-clicking in treating the incapacitated. That's one example out of a multitude. We beta testers knew how all that can be done. RV encourages cheating because its gameplay is tedious and numbing without any shortcuts. Many will vow adamantly at this point that they never cheated, no doubt, and have happily played RV since launch. It's all a matter of degrees. Even alt-tabbing with F7 depressed is not playing as intended, so it is like the old joke about the man offering a million dollars to a girl for sex, then offending her by lowering his offer to twenty bucks when she agrees. If you've ever used F7 to bypass the log-out mechanism so others could train on you, then hey man, we're just haggling over the price here. You're a cheater who got around RV's tedious gameplay by unintended features (in this case, the continuous repetition of any key pressed before an alt-tab.) If you're a RV veteran and you haven't cheated in the slightest, give yourself a pat on the back--but only if your repetitive stress injuries can handle the strain.
Now, they should get on with their lives.
Wisest words here. Fair or unfair doesn't matter much. KFR can do whatever he likes in RV, except perhaps force people to enjoy his game. You're banned. Spend the rest of your lives well.
(That is to say, not on MMORPGs. Heh.)
LOL. I will not spend my time on MMORPG as I havent cept to answering questions and explaining the suituation. But as for the command lines that you say, I can honestly tell you that we used the client to log in. I do in fact know people who do macro, and I can honestly again tell you that we havent, We have added peice by peiece everything in all of our projects, thus the reason for consistant breaks.
Would be easier to move on if there was more games of this multitude, but instead we sit here will all these crap grind fest games, and that all look the same. Like someone said in another thread. I would take gameplay/fun over grahpics anyday. And also, good one to bring up F7 as not being used as intended, I didnt think of that.
So anyhow, it has been fun sometimes playing along side of you cyne, and the rest of the RV community. We shall see eachother again if darkfall ever makes it out.
Having violated the rules of the game by simultaneously logging in multiple characters to train parry, I too am a cheater. Fortunately, I've already banned myself.
Is there anything left of RV besides vaguely Roman-themed characters playing house?
Having violated the rules of the game by simultaneously logging in multiple characters to train parry, I too am a cheater. Fortunately, I've already banned myself. Is there anything left of RV besides vaguely Roman-themed characters playing house?
Maybe if you stopped by you could see. We have some interesting stuff lined up... but it seems many people now prefer to endlessely troll than do something in the game. Quite a shame actually, as the game has gotten better as of late and what we need desperately are the players to stir up trouble.
Having violated the rules of the game by simultaneously logging in multiple characters to train parry, I too am a cheater. Fortunately, I've already banned myself. Is there anything left of RV besides vaguely Roman-themed characters playing house?
Maybe if you stopped by you could see. We have some interesting stuff lined up... but it seems many people now prefer to endlessely troll than do something in the game. Quite a shame actually, as the game has gotten better as of late and what we need desperately are the players to stir up trouble.
It's a bit sad then, that everyone capable of stirring up trouble has either been chased off(Britannic empire anyone?) or banned( 3/4 of the entire population ever.(I may exaggerate, but in this case I think as a troll I am entitled to.)), The only action they need to take to ruin it completely is ban augir and his alt army, wich must number about a hundred by now.... After that there'll be an average population of whatever remnants of the 18th bother logging in, Those canny germans (AS), TdB and HV...
Last time I stirred up trouble I seem to vaguely remember it was something about killing you ingame... I got banned because of that(Or, more to the point, Gwyn not being able to comprehend the meaning of the words "RP thread")
All I'm saying is that if you guys want action, something interesting to do ingame, talk to me. We need to create our own content because the game is lacking that right now. And you got banned Phil because of Gwyn, not because you killed me. But I guess that indirectly lead to Gwyn revealing your identity to big bad KFR.
All I'm saying is that if you guys want action, something interesting to do ingame, talk to me. We need to create our own content because the game is lacking that right now. And you got banned Phil because of Gwyn, not because you killed me. But I guess that indirectly lead to Gwyn revealing your identity to big bad KFR.
I know that soc, I, in fact, hinted at that in brackets
People used a feature that wasnt supposed to be there, something that the dev team screwed up on, and they get banned for it?
...A LOT of people used this unintentional feature?
...This sounds outlandish. I wouldnt ever believe that this could happen in Roma Victor. Especially not with a fair and just person such as KFR running the show. For shame, you cheeting basturds!
People used a feature that wasnt supposed to be there, something that the dev team screwed up on, and they get banned for it?
...A LOT of people used this unintentional feature?
...This sounds outlandish. I wouldnt ever believe that this could happen in Roma Victor. Especially not with a fair and just person such as KFR running the show. For shame, you cheeting basturds!
Lewl.
ROFL. This person that made this qoute above is a person is a perfect example of how KFR is a fair and just person. He along with many others treated unfairly.
You were all treated quite fairly. The result just wasn't what you wanted.
Thats where that is your opinion only, as 75% of the community thinks otherwise... In both my case and kruniac case... Call it what you want but it was surly not fair at all, but then again when is anything KFR does fair? lol He turned a sandbox game into a money sink, tell me that is fair to falsely advertise your product and then turn it into a money sink.
You know its completely pointless to even talk back to you so this is going to be last post actually replying back to you... From here on out, i will not be directing anything to what you say in a reply comment, i will simply reply back to give fair warnings to those new players that even look at this game with intentions to possible play. As unlike RV's false advertisments I like to actually be fair and let people know what they are getting themselves into.
75% of the community thinks otherwise... In both my case and kruniac case...
I'd like to see you back THAT up with facts. Pretty much a few of your barbarian buddies and you are the only ones who really think you were dealt with unfairly (and of course the other players who have been banned...imagine that).
You have a lot of valid points about RV. Unfortunately you have to taint everything with your incessant crying about being banned. You were a multiple offense cheater who got banned from the game.
Time to start being a man and accepting responsibility for that instead of crying and rationalizing with all the kiddie "yeah, but" crap.
75% of the community thinks otherwise... In both my case and kruniac case...
I'd like to see you back THAT up with facts. Pretty much a few of your barbarian buddies and you are the only ones who really think you were dealt with unfairly (and of course the other players who have been banned...imagine that).
You have a lot of valid points about RV. Unfortunately you have taint everything with your incessant crying about being banned. You were a multiple offense cheater who got banned from the game.
Time to start being a man and accepting responsibility for that instead of crying and rationalizing with all the kiddie "yeah, but" crap.
Lol I was suspended once before for the so called Fork exploit which again i will add was also done by romans a month earlier... Nothing was done about it then.
And im not here to try prove anything to you, nor do you even have any so called Facts to back up what you are saying, becuase just like we had the barbs and also many others including many romans backing us up for the factor of it being unfair, all you have is the fact your guild was one of the only guilds agreeing witht he bans. So again i dont need to prove anything to you, you want proof ask KFR about emails he recieved from many various players about the situation, which many he didnt even open.
Its as simple as this, no cheating was done, besides using a client which by passed a patcher. Also in the Tacos it said not to use anything other then RB client, whcih need i remind you the test client WAS RB;s client, which they didnt even have an NDA for. So if you want to really talk about whats fair/unfair lets look at it with a law point of view. Although this is a online game and surly not one worth the time trying to fight for to get an account back to a broken game, I have accepted already the fact of being banned and actually Im glad i am. Truth of the matter is if I were given my accounts back i still wouldn't even look back at this game and god already knows that if i wanted to play i still would beable too, i just choose no to.
So please just drop the crap you always try to pull to try make someoen look bad, because its not going to work here. I may look bad in your eyes as we all already know anything anyone does you don't like is bad but when ever you do something others dont like you think you are always right. Good day vlad and go enjoy playing RV. This is really my last direct reply to you.
How about when talking about what was fair, we adopt any view that absolves you of deciding to do the wrong thing, because that's what all your BS explanations amount to: absolving you of responsibility for your actions. Sorry, bud, not going to happen here.
Man, the fork exploit, ROFL. The mythical one that Romans didn't do months earlier? That has already been beat into the ground too, but you ignore all the facts that aren't in your favor and keep spouting the same crap.
There was no fork exploit done by Romans months earlier. Disarming was added and DID NOT WORK AT ALL. There was no cheating.
When you cheated with the fork exploit, DISARMING WORKED, BUT YOU INTENTIONALLY DEFEATED THE MECHANIC. You felt entitled to an easier way of doing things, so you created justification to CHEAT, just like you created justification to use a test client you weren't supposed to have or use.
It's been explained to you in exactly those straightforward, simple terms, in your native language, about 100 times, but you refuse to accept it. Instead, when caught red-handed cheating, you look for any possible reason to justify your actions, rationalize them, or point the finger at someone else to minimize what you have done.
Grow the hell up.
And I don't need to do anything to make you look bad. Me telling people what you did doesn't make you look bad. The fact that you DID IT, then try to justify it, is what makes you look bad.
Well said Vlad and I can fully vouch for the accuracy of your statements.
My own guild found, by accident, what we thought might be an exploit a couple weeks ago. We sent word nobody was to use the technique until we got developer confirmation. We got polite replies from two developers within a couple days that what we found was mathematically possible and correct and to proceed. Easy.
I honestly wish the same constraint had been used last year by players on the barbarian side. After several waves of bannings and sympathetic innocents also leaving the game in anger last year, this past weekend, we had to resort to destroying crops to try and get some barbarians to come fight us. All dressed up and nobody to rumble with.
On a positive note, I did scout around the barbarian starter town of Erring a few days ago and the level of activity I saw there is higher than I have ever seen it. Perhaps a resurgence is underway.
How about when talking about what was fair, we adopt any view that absolves you of deciding to do the wrong thing, because that's what all your BS explanations amount to: absolving you of responsibility for your actions. Sorry, bud, not going to happen here. Man, the fork exploit, ROFL. The mythical one that Romans didn't do months earlier? That has already been beat into the ground too, but you ignore all the facts that aren't in your favor and keep spouting the same crap. There was no fork exploit done by Romans months earlier. Disarming was added and DID NOT WORK AT ALL. There was no cheating. When you cheated with the fork exploit, DISARMING WORKED, BUT YOU INTENTIONALLY DEFEATED THE MECHANIC. You felt entitled to an easier way of doing things, so you created justification to CHEAT, just like you created justification to use a test client you weren't supposed to have or use. It's been explained to you in exactly those straightforward, simple terms, in your native language, about 100 times, but you refuse to accept it. Instead, when caught red-handed cheating, you look for any possible reason to justify your actions, rationalize them, or point the finger at someone else to minimize what you have done. Grow the hell up. And I don't need to do anything to make you look bad. Me telling people what you did doesn't make you look bad. The fact that you DID IT, then try to justify it, is what makes you look bad.
ROFL, truth of the matter is to all outsiders that are reading this bullshit, is the FACT that romans did indeed take advantage of a buged parry system, which I dont know how anyone else sees it but thats sure as hell exploiting a bug. But seems some want to just justify what they did wrong. And about the barbarian exploit of the same type of thing, although yes it was a bit differnt in the meaning that the weap didnt just stay in your hand like it did when the romans took advantage of it, there was a way to actually make it just stay in your hand, which may i add did not take a genious to figure out becuase while training it would happen to everyone without even trying. It was a bug just like the first time but a bit different. The wave of bans was BS when nothing at all was even said to the romans when they did it a month earlier.
And again to clearify for everyone reading... I have no need to rationalize for using a test client which did not even have a NDA but even without pointing that fact out, the damn client did not help us in any way that would be considered banable, least in my opinion. We used it to by pass a pointless patcher while having to deal with crashes every 10 damn mins of game play. So what really am i rationalizing here? That the game is broken in more then 1 way? That the devs dont do anything at all when they have time and time again error reports being sent to them and all we here is everything is working as intended. So yeah i am rationalizing, im rationalizing the fact that i had to use a test client which by passed a patcher that takes mins to load and then have to wait mins more to load the game only to crash 10 mins later. Guess i was rationalizing so i could actually play the game rather then have to sit through hours of patching times. Other then that there was no other use for the test client. You want to point out the fact that it showed cords of where people were, go ahead point that out, but then also pull out the facts that those 2 -3 weeks using the client we stayed in our board the hole time just building.
P.S. Vlad bud, you only make yourself look bad when you sell this game to new people with false hopes that its actaully a good game. I at least tell them the truth about it.
I, too, tell the truth about RomaVictor. The difference is that I am ALLOWED to play by the owners; you are not.
There are a lot of problems with RV. But there has also been a lot of progress. That is a fair, truthful assessment.
If the game was THAT bad, you would not have been a long-term, full-time active player right up until the very minute you got banned for cheating.
As I have already said, you have some valid points about the shortcomings of RV. And, there are a lot of them. However, your opinions are tainted with spite and "sour grapes" syndrome for a game you can no longer play.
You hang out in the RomaVictor mIRC channel with your self-assigned "legend" tag like an angry child who has just been spanked, still trying to pursue fights and arguments you have already lost. You can't be relevant in the game, or in the game forums, so you come here and stomp your feet and pout.
Maur, your WHOLE POST is rationalizing. I, too, tell the truth about RomaVictor. The difference is that I am ALLOWED to play by the owners; you are not. There are a lot of problems with RV. But there has also been a lot of progress. That is a fair, truthful assessment. If the game was THAT bad, you would not have been a long-term, full-time active player right up until the very minute you got banned for cheating. As I have already said, you have some valid points about the shortcomings of RV. And, there are a lot of them. However, your opinions are tainted with spite and "sour grapes" syndrome for a game you can no longer play. You hang out in the RomaVictor mIRC channel with your self-assigned "legend" tag like an angry child who has just been spanked, still trying to pursue fights and arguments you have already lost. You can't be relevant in the game, or in the game forums, so you come here and stomp your feet and pout.
Rofl i like how you assume I cannot play? LOL, truth be told I dont want to come back with the OWNERS knowledge even. And no you are wrong i did not play as you say, because i as well as Lucii took too many breaks from the game to play and have fun in others. We came back just because we did like the community an also the fact that there is hardly any freemen to wipe the 18th out, so we figured we might as well help RV be funded by killing many and i do mean many 18th NPC;s. During the time we got banned is when we were actually kinda into the game and it was mainly to just get our board to look like somehting other then the same old emptyness that RV is.
Again you seem to think I actaully wanna get back in game or something lol i wouldnt touch it if i was paid to play it. And this or anything i have ever said about RV is not about sour grapes, because my comments have been as consistant as it gets with how i tell it how it is about the game in which even you agree that i have.
And whats so angry about having a tag that says Lucian-Legend? See thats one of the thigns you always jump on, because i didnt say a thing when i was in channel about it you guys started commenting on it. Oh and i dont come here to stomp my feet, i unlike many others that have much bad thins to say about RV come here to actually warn people of the type of game it really is, More importantly the fact the OWNER doesnt give a fly about his customers. Actually i retract that statment a bit becuase he actually does care a bit toward the constantly verming ones.
Um...didn't you already say twice that your were done responding?
What does killing NPCs have to do with you cheating?
Seriously...you really think that killing 20 NPCs earns one some sort of status? Must be part of that imaginary "legend" thing. Almost every single one of those NPCs belonged to a player who left the 18th 4 months ago. You didn't affect the 18th, you affected a single player who isn't even in the 18th.
Your place in the history of RV is as a footnote...the guy whose guild got banned for cheating.
You HAD to kill NPCs when no one was around because you couldn't really do much else. Hell, Roneth STILL shows up on our board now and again logging in and out for hours waiting for no fighters to be around. THAT is the Lucii legacy.
I really don't see what any of this has to do with you getting banned for cheating and still trying to rationalize it...or is this one of the battles you are still trying to wage here because you can't do it in-game?
Um...didn't you already say twice that your were done responding? What does killing NPCs have to do with you cheating? Seriously...you really think that killing 20 NPCs earns one some sort of status? Must be part of that imaginary "legend" thing. Almost every single one of those NPCs belonged to a player who left the 18th 4 months ago. You didn't affect the 18th, you affected a single player who isn't even in the 18th. Your place in the history of RV is as a footnote...the guy whose guild got banned for cheating. You HAD to kill NPCs when no one was around because you couldn't really do much else. Hell, Roneth STILL shows up on our board now and again logging in and out for hours waiting for no fighters to be around. THAT is the Lucii legacy. I really don't see what any of this has to do with you getting banned for cheating and still trying to rationalize it...or is this one of the battles you are still trying to wage here because you can't do it in-game?
Beacuse for the simple fact what we got banned for was outter BS, tehre is no need to rationalize for it. just fact that it was BS cept for you and few others. And you wanna talk about fighting NPC's. Lets talk about how the 18th had to come to our board and destroy our piles and crops, lol or how the 18th woudl never come out unless they had more numbers. Please vlad we have made the 18th log off time and time again when we used to rip through you guys.. Remember 9 hours at the grove? LOL we even had roman guilds laughting at the fact you all logged off becuase you just kept dieing.
We may be a footnote to you which is fine with me, because the 18th was a joke in the hands of all powerful god Vlad. Shit and i thought it was bad with vep least under vep it was all forum trash talk, but under you it was by god worse.
And im responding becuase you keep bringing up things to try make me and my guild look bad when truth of the matter is we actaully were a problem for the 18th, one of the only consistant guilds agaisnt the 18th when we wanted to be, and I will back up what we did and also note that Romans also backed us up for killing the 18th, and beleive me it was many more romans then just the single one you are thinking of.
Again for all that are reading, I have no need to rationalize rather then the fact that the Owner is very inconsistant, he will slap someone on the wrist one day and perma ban someone else for doing the same thing or something similar the next. Like how someoen was warned to never again change and log in with minipulative game files... It was BS for the perma banning expecually to the accounts of those players that didnt realy even play much at all, yet their accounts were banned when clearly my IP was all over the logins and not their own. Yet KFR's response to them is that he will not give them their accoutns back but if they want to purchces another account they can because he wasnt going to IP ban them... Well gee he didnt IP ban them in the first place becuase they never logged in using a test client I did. This is not rationalizing, this is telling it how it is... Im fine with the ban even though it was unfair, whats worse is what happen to those players that didnt do anything yet were banned for it.
P.S. bring up that number of NPC's by perhaps 4x. And also all the stolen goods. Im sure we put a pretty nice dent. Oh and thank you for praising us we know we are missed.
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Players intentionally did something they knew they were not supposed to do. The "reasons" are irrelevant.
They got caught. They got punished. For several, it was not the first time.
Now, they should get on with their lives.
That still does not conpensate the fact that the lead dev is inconsistant with anything he does. What Meinard did with changeing the files is also something wrong and he knew it while doing it. Reguardless "the reasons". Yet he did not get banned.
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Bypassing the patcher allows you to modify the files allowing major cheats.
I've changed sounds in the patcher'd one before, it isn't all that hard...
all you have to do is replace one file with another of the same name..
In fact I'm pretty sure you could make a dummy .exe and thereby get past the check feature that the client has to verify that the .exe is running..
Add to that the fact that I have found out how to do a lot of nice things with a memory editor, after being banned of course, and never to my own advantage. You know it's amazing how completely full of security holes etc RV is for cheating. Not only that but you can speedhack your way right accross a board in 10 seconds without losing vigour if you walk. RB has put NO anti cheat systems whatsoever in place, if they want to catch cheaters, they have to go throug their extensive logs by hand and something like a timestamp is easily missed.. and that's only when something of such a "HUGE" magnitude is going on..
It took them a full week to decide who should be banned after the taxing..
A controversy. I figured that RV had written its last interesting chapter. I'm not surprised about the controversy being about mass cheating--it is not because RB cracks down on cheaters that news of mass banning the cheaters is so common. No, it's because cheating is so common. Fancy that.
From what I know of most RV vets--and I mean those players who weather a few months of gameplay without disappearing, not the more elitist sense of the word--they all more or less play fast and loose with the rules. I can't count the number of crafters I've seen adding over and over to projects without responding to questions. One said later she had her kid doing her project adds for her. Poor kid. As a humanitarian, I hope she was indeed macroing as I suspect. And I know one reason why the test client was so valuable: looking up object IDs in order to write easy keybinds like /aid 19184 which would bypass a shit-ton of mouse-clicking in treating the incapacitated. That's one example out of a multitude. We beta testers knew how all that can be done.
RV encourages cheating because its gameplay is tedious and numbing without any shortcuts. Many will vow adamantly at this point that they never cheated, no doubt, and have happily played RV since launch. It's all a matter of degrees. Even alt-tabbing with F7 depressed is not playing as intended, so it is like the old joke about the man offering a million dollars to a girl for sex, then offending her by lowering his offer to twenty bucks when she agrees.
If you've ever used F7 to bypass the log-out mechanism so others could train on you, then hey man, we're just haggling over the price here. You're a cheater who got around RV's tedious gameplay by unintended features (in this case, the continuous repetition of any key pressed before an alt-tab.)
If you're a RV veteran and you haven't cheated in the slightest, give yourself a pat on the back--but only if your repetitive stress injuries can handle the strain.
Wisest words here. Fair or unfair doesn't matter much. KFR can do whatever he likes in RV, except perhaps force people to enjoy his game. You're banned. Spend the rest of your lives well.
(That is to say, not on MMORPGs. Heh.)
You all have valid points, every one of you exept that person Smartwhois and the way i see it is were only human to want to cheat b/c it is only natrual to find an easier way to do things. as cyne posted above, if you ever done something little such as F7 and alt-tab you cheated and if anyone denies it shame on you. now as stated above twice i will move on with my life and hope that Darkfall comes out soon.
p.s. as some vets are here i wish you all good luck and good bye as i could not do it in the RV forums.
Wisest words here. Fair or unfair doesn't matter much. KFR can do whatever he likes in RV, except perhaps force people to enjoy his game. You're banned. Spend the rest of your lives well.
(That is to say, not on MMORPGs. Heh.)
LOL. I will not spend my time on MMORPG as I havent cept to answering questions and explaining the suituation. But as for the command lines that you say, I can honestly tell you that we used the client to log in. I do in fact know people who do macro, and I can honestly again tell you that we havent, We have added peice by peiece everything in all of our projects, thus the reason for consistant breaks.
Would be easier to move on if there was more games of this multitude, but instead we sit here will all these crap grind fest games, and that all look the same. Like someone said in another thread. I would take gameplay/fun over grahpics anyday. And also, good one to bring up F7 as not being used as intended, I didnt think of that.
So anyhow, it has been fun sometimes playing along side of you cyne, and the rest of the RV community. We shall see eachother again if darkfall ever makes it out.
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Having violated the rules of the game by simultaneously logging in multiple characters to train parry, I too am a cheater. Fortunately, I've already banned myself.
Is there anything left of RV besides vaguely Roman-themed characters playing house?
Maybe if you stopped by you could see. We have some interesting stuff lined up... but it seems many people now prefer to endlessely troll than do something in the game. Quite a shame actually, as the game has gotten better as of late and what we need desperately are the players to stir up trouble.
It's a bit sad then, that everyone capable of stirring up trouble has either been chased off(Britannic empire anyone?) or banned( 3/4 of the entire population ever.(I may exaggerate, but in this case I think as a troll I am entitled to.)), The only action they need to take to ruin it completely is ban augir and his alt army, wich must number about a hundred by now.... After that there'll be an average population of whatever remnants of the 18th bother logging in, Those canny germans (AS), TdB and HV...Maybe if you stopped by you could see. We have some interesting stuff lined up... but it seems many people now prefer to endlessely troll than do something in the game. Quite a shame actually, as the game has gotten better as of late and what we need desperately are the players to stir up trouble.
Last time I stirred up trouble I seem to vaguely remember it was something about killing you ingame... I got banned because of that(Or, more to the point, Gwyn not being able to comprehend the meaning of the words "RP thread")
All I'm saying is that if you guys want action, something interesting to do ingame, talk to me. We need to create our own content because the game is lacking that right now. And you got banned Phil because of Gwyn, not because you killed me. But I guess that indirectly lead to Gwyn revealing your identity to big bad KFR.
God, I love the overusage of commas.
People used a feature that wasnt supposed to be there, something that the dev team screwed up on, and they get banned for it?
...A LOT of people used this unintentional feature?
...This sounds outlandish. I wouldnt ever believe that this could happen in Roma Victor. Especially not with a fair and just person such as KFR running the show. For shame, you cheeting basturds!
Lewl.
ROFL. This person that made this qoute above is a person is a perfect example of how KFR is a fair and just person. He along with many others treated unfairly.
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You were all treated quite fairly. The result just wasn't what you wanted.
BEWARE THE EYES OF MARCH!
the left one can give you de evil eye...
Thats where that is your opinion only, as 75% of the community thinks otherwise... In both my case and kruniac case... Call it what you want but it was surly not fair at all, but then again when is anything KFR does fair? lol He turned a sandbox game into a money sink, tell me that is fair to falsely advertise your product and then turn it into a money sink.
You know its completely pointless to even talk back to you so this is going to be last post actually replying back to you... From here on out, i will not be directing anything to what you say in a reply comment, i will simply reply back to give fair warnings to those new players that even look at this game with intentions to possible play. As unlike RV's false advertisments I like to actually be fair and let people know what they are getting themselves into.
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I'd like to see you back THAT up with facts. Pretty much a few of your barbarian buddies and you are the only ones who really think you were dealt with unfairly (and of course the other players who have been banned...imagine that).
You have a lot of valid points about RV. Unfortunately you have to taint everything with your incessant crying about being banned. You were a multiple offense cheater who got banned from the game.
Time to start being a man and accepting responsibility for that instead of crying and rationalizing with all the kiddie "yeah, but" crap.
I'd like to see you back THAT up with facts. Pretty much a few of your barbarian buddies and you are the only ones who really think you were dealt with unfairly (and of course the other players who have been banned...imagine that).
You have a lot of valid points about RV. Unfortunately you have taint everything with your incessant crying about being banned. You were a multiple offense cheater who got banned from the game.
Time to start being a man and accepting responsibility for that instead of crying and rationalizing with all the kiddie "yeah, but" crap.
Lol I was suspended once before for the so called Fork exploit which again i will add was also done by romans a month earlier... Nothing was done about it then.
And im not here to try prove anything to you, nor do you even have any so called Facts to back up what you are saying, becuase just like we had the barbs and also many others including many romans backing us up for the factor of it being unfair, all you have is the fact your guild was one of the only guilds agreeing witht he bans. So again i dont need to prove anything to you, you want proof ask KFR about emails he recieved from many various players about the situation, which many he didnt even open.
Its as simple as this, no cheating was done, besides using a client which by passed a patcher. Also in the Tacos it said not to use anything other then RB client, whcih need i remind you the test client WAS RB;s client, which they didnt even have an NDA for. So if you want to really talk about whats fair/unfair lets look at it with a law point of view. Although this is a online game and surly not one worth the time trying to fight for to get an account back to a broken game, I have accepted already the fact of being banned and actually Im glad i am. Truth of the matter is if I were given my accounts back i still wouldn't even look back at this game and god already knows that if i wanted to play i still would beable too, i just choose no to.
So please just drop the crap you always try to pull to try make someoen look bad, because its not going to work here. I may look bad in your eyes as we all already know anything anyone does you don't like is bad but when ever you do something others dont like you think you are always right. Good day vlad and go enjoy playing RV. This is really my last direct reply to you.
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How about when talking about what was fair, we adopt any view that absolves you of deciding to do the wrong thing, because that's what all your BS explanations amount to: absolving you of responsibility for your actions. Sorry, bud, not going to happen here.
Man, the fork exploit, ROFL. The mythical one that Romans didn't do months earlier? That has already been beat into the ground too, but you ignore all the facts that aren't in your favor and keep spouting the same crap.
There was no fork exploit done by Romans months earlier. Disarming was added and DID NOT WORK AT ALL. There was no cheating.
When you cheated with the fork exploit, DISARMING WORKED, BUT YOU INTENTIONALLY DEFEATED THE MECHANIC. You felt entitled to an easier way of doing things, so you created justification to CHEAT, just like you created justification to use a test client you weren't supposed to have or use.
It's been explained to you in exactly those straightforward, simple terms, in your native language, about 100 times, but you refuse to accept it. Instead, when caught red-handed cheating, you look for any possible reason to justify your actions, rationalize them, or point the finger at someone else to minimize what you have done.
Grow the hell up.
And I don't need to do anything to make you look bad. Me telling people what you did doesn't make you look bad. The fact that you DID IT, then try to justify it, is what makes you look bad.
Well said Vlad and I can fully vouch for the accuracy of your statements.
My own guild found, by accident, what we thought might be an exploit a couple weeks ago. We sent word nobody was to use the technique until we got developer confirmation. We got polite replies from two developers within a couple days that what we found was mathematically possible and correct and to proceed. Easy.
I honestly wish the same constraint had been used last year by players on the barbarian side. After several waves of bannings and sympathetic innocents also leaving the game in anger last year, this past weekend, we had to resort to destroying crops to try and get some barbarians to come fight us. All dressed up and nobody to rumble with.
On a positive note, I did scout around the barbarian starter town of Erring a few days ago and the level of activity I saw there is higher than I have ever seen it. Perhaps a resurgence is underway.
ROFL, truth of the matter is to all outsiders that are reading this bullshit, is the FACT that romans did indeed take advantage of a buged parry system, which I dont know how anyone else sees it but thats sure as hell exploiting a bug. But seems some want to just justify what they did wrong. And about the barbarian exploit of the same type of thing, although yes it was a bit differnt in the meaning that the weap didnt just stay in your hand like it did when the romans took advantage of it, there was a way to actually make it just stay in your hand, which may i add did not take a genious to figure out becuase while training it would happen to everyone without even trying. It was a bug just like the first time but a bit different. The wave of bans was BS when nothing at all was even said to the romans when they did it a month earlier.
And again to clearify for everyone reading... I have no need to rationalize for using a test client which did not even have a NDA but even without pointing that fact out, the damn client did not help us in any way that would be considered banable, least in my opinion. We used it to by pass a pointless patcher while having to deal with crashes every 10 damn mins of game play. So what really am i rationalizing here? That the game is broken in more then 1 way? That the devs dont do anything at all when they have time and time again error reports being sent to them and all we here is everything is working as intended. So yeah i am rationalizing, im rationalizing the fact that i had to use a test client which by passed a patcher that takes mins to load and then have to wait mins more to load the game only to crash 10 mins later. Guess i was rationalizing so i could actually play the game rather then have to sit through hours of patching times. Other then that there was no other use for the test client. You want to point out the fact that it showed cords of where people were, go ahead point that out, but then also pull out the facts that those 2 -3 weeks using the client we stayed in our board the hole time just building.
P.S. Vlad bud, you only make yourself look bad when you sell this game to new people with false hopes that its actaully a good game. I at least tell them the truth about it.
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Maur, your WHOLE POST is rationalizing.
I, too, tell the truth about RomaVictor. The difference is that I am ALLOWED to play by the owners; you are not.
There are a lot of problems with RV. But there has also been a lot of progress. That is a fair, truthful assessment.
If the game was THAT bad, you would not have been a long-term, full-time active player right up until the very minute you got banned for cheating.
As I have already said, you have some valid points about the shortcomings of RV. And, there are a lot of them. However, your opinions are tainted with spite and "sour grapes" syndrome for a game you can no longer play.
You hang out in the RomaVictor mIRC channel with your self-assigned "legend" tag like an angry child who has just been spanked, still trying to pursue fights and arguments you have already lost. You can't be relevant in the game, or in the game forums, so you come here and stomp your feet and pout.
Rofl i like how you assume I cannot play? LOL, truth be told I dont want to come back with the OWNERS knowledge even. And no you are wrong i did not play as you say, because i as well as Lucii took too many breaks from the game to play and have fun in others. We came back just because we did like the community an also the fact that there is hardly any freemen to wipe the 18th out, so we figured we might as well help RV be funded by killing many and i do mean many 18th NPC;s. During the time we got banned is when we were actually kinda into the game and it was mainly to just get our board to look like somehting other then the same old emptyness that RV is.
Again you seem to think I actaully wanna get back in game or something lol i wouldnt touch it if i was paid to play it. And this or anything i have ever said about RV is not about sour grapes, because my comments have been as consistant as it gets with how i tell it how it is about the game in which even you agree that i have.
And whats so angry about having a tag that says Lucian-Legend? See thats one of the thigns you always jump on, because i didnt say a thing when i was in channel about it you guys started commenting on it. Oh and i dont come here to stomp my feet, i unlike many others that have much bad thins to say about RV come here to actually warn people of the type of game it really is, More importantly the fact the OWNER doesnt give a fly about his customers. Actually i retract that statment a bit becuase he actually does care a bit toward the constantly verming ones.
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Um...didn't you already say twice that your were done responding?
What does killing NPCs have to do with you cheating?
Seriously...you really think that killing 20 NPCs earns one some sort of status? Must be part of that imaginary "legend" thing. Almost every single one of those NPCs belonged to a player who left the 18th 4 months ago. You didn't affect the 18th, you affected a single player who isn't even in the 18th.
Your place in the history of RV is as a footnote...the guy whose guild got banned for cheating.
You HAD to kill NPCs when no one was around because you couldn't really do much else. Hell, Roneth STILL shows up on our board now and again logging in and out for hours waiting for no fighters to be around. THAT is the Lucii legacy.
I really don't see what any of this has to do with you getting banned for cheating and still trying to rationalize it...or is this one of the battles you are still trying to wage here because you can't do it in-game?
Beacuse for the simple fact what we got banned for was outter BS, tehre is no need to rationalize for it. just fact that it was BS cept for you and few others. And you wanna talk about fighting NPC's. Lets talk about how the 18th had to come to our board and destroy our piles and crops, lol or how the 18th woudl never come out unless they had more numbers. Please vlad we have made the 18th log off time and time again when we used to rip through you guys.. Remember 9 hours at the grove? LOL we even had roman guilds laughting at the fact you all logged off becuase you just kept dieing.
We may be a footnote to you which is fine with me, because the 18th was a joke in the hands of all powerful god Vlad. Shit and i thought it was bad with vep least under vep it was all forum trash talk, but under you it was by god worse.
And im responding becuase you keep bringing up things to try make me and my guild look bad when truth of the matter is we actaully were a problem for the 18th, one of the only consistant guilds agaisnt the 18th when we wanted to be, and I will back up what we did and also note that Romans also backed us up for killing the 18th, and beleive me it was many more romans then just the single one you are thinking of.
Again for all that are reading, I have no need to rationalize rather then the fact that the Owner is very inconsistant, he will slap someone on the wrist one day and perma ban someone else for doing the same thing or something similar the next. Like how someoen was warned to never again change and log in with minipulative game files... It was BS for the perma banning expecually to the accounts of those players that didnt realy even play much at all, yet their accounts were banned when clearly my IP was all over the logins and not their own. Yet KFR's response to them is that he will not give them their accoutns back but if they want to purchces another account they can because he wasnt going to IP ban them... Well gee he didnt IP ban them in the first place becuase they never logged in using a test client I did. This is not rationalizing, this is telling it how it is... Im fine with the ban even though it was unfair, whats worse is what happen to those players that didnt do anything yet were banned for it.
P.S. bring up that number of NPC's by perhaps 4x. And also all the stolen goods. Im sure we put a pretty nice dent. Oh and thank you for praising us we know we are missed.
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