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I bet it ships with 4 million bugs and gets dumbed down via countless patches though...
So what happens when, not if, Combine, KAAOS, LotD, Black Irish Brigade, or maybe one or two other guilds run everyone else off the server?
Alignment penalties, and a lack of levels didn't stop anyone in UO. You yourself said you will be in a Chaotic Evil guild, and thus plan on being KoS in your races city. I certainly have no plans of letting piddling alignment concerns, or feeble KoS penalties get in the way of either myself, or my guild killing anyone, and everyone at any and all times. And I highly doubt it will stop anyone else, either.
So what happens when, not if, Combine, KAAOS, LotD, Black Irish Brigade, or maybe one or two other guilds run everyone else off the server?
1 guild wont be able to run everyone of the server, guilds will be dominant but they will be dominant within their geographic area. The Game game world is big enough to hold over 10k people, plus there's no magical travel or summons like in Shadowbane, no 3am raids, no flight.
Granted a bunch of noobs might get stuck between some guilds, I sure as hell would not want to be in a noob guild stuck between Combine or LOD they would kick the heck out of us. But here's the problem, if you started building a city or a kingdom in a hostile area known to be in close proximity to power RPK guilds then it's your fault for making that decision, if that happeneds only 2 choices exist (1) Ally with other guilds against them (2) If all else fails relocate to another part of the world, RPK guilds wont be hunting you down trying to drive you off the server since the world is hudge and without fast travel it's too much of a hassle to spend 24+ hours to get to destination just to pk a few noobs.
The problem is that you will have some people who don't necessairly get it, we don't need a game mechanic to prevent anyhting; pvp is encouraged. RPK's and evil clans are as much a part of the world as Lore base Alignment and racial clans, the thing here to understand is that Evil RPK's of their own race will be in the minority, so in the end their influence does not extend outside of their geographical area.
Coldmeat,
Also take for eample EVE, 20,000 players can play at the same time does one Corporation/guild control the entire world? There are houndreds if not a thousands of guilds or corps in that game, and not one of them dominates; they dominate their specific area but they cant influence the entire scope of the game. Their domination is geographical and miniscule compared to the entire scope of the game. Same concept here with DF, guilds dominate their respective Kingdoms and the areas around them but their influence is miniscule compared to the entire scope of the game.
Eh, they said no fast travel in Vanguard as well, so we'll see how long that lasts. Money will always trump integrity in the business world.
As a side note, you seem to feel that, overall, the playerbase will follow the lore. I used to believe that sort of thing as well, until I actually logged into EQ the first time on RZ. I think it took me all of ten minutes to have that dreamy roleplay veil ripped from my eyes. I was just curious why you think that DF will be any different in this regard?
Coldmeat,
I never played Vanguard some I am not an expert on it, but as far as I know Vanguard does not have a robust pvp system built in, with this in mind it's important to understand that from the outset that races who are at war with one another can't group or guild together unless it's already built into the game. An orc for example wont be welcome in Human territory, he will be Kos on site and he can't just waltz into a city cause NPC guards will kill him; conflic alreayd exists between the races if one player does somehting he's not supposed to he's gona get an alignment hit and eventually will be killed by his own race or NPC's. You gotta understand that one side is trying to conquer territory for not only themselves but their race as well.
As for magical travel, it will not be the type we see in other games Like "Summon", it's limited and it's expensive. You definately wont see A group of 50 guys porting from one part of the world to another, unless their city got whipped out and they're doing it to relocate and escape the turmoil in their own geographical area.
There is a reason this is the only MMO i am folowing: FREEDOM to do whatever i want, and be able to choose if i want to be truly good or truly evil.
good game aventurine.
It is sad, but that is how I feel.
If they could make it work how they say it will, it would probably be the best game to date. But I doubt they will ever, ever finish it.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
Don't be sad. It's the way you should feel. Skepticism is healthy.
So how's the game run on your system?
You do know that they started over in 2003 right? Nope, didn't think so.
Among The Shadows
http://atsdf.com/
Game looks good, I'll believe it when I see it actually released with all those things in the video...
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
that's alot of freedom O_o
You do know that they started over in 2003 right? Nope, didn't think so.
Holy thread necro Batman!
heh nothing like bringing a thread back from the dead for a game that probably will never take a breath
they just like released a screen shot of grass the other day ! so there its REAL!