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Religion: The Root of All Evil

The God Delusion

http://www.tv-links.co.uk/video/9/6169/9597/60065/84794

The Virus of Faith

http://www.tv-links.co.uk/video/9/6169/9601/60068/84797

 

Really liked watching these and i personally don't believe that theres a god, i respect everyones opinion but...

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  • kel11kel11 Member Posts: 1,089

    But what?  I wish I believed in anything, but at the same time not being a big bigot and arrogant.  Would be great.

    Change my mind so much I can't even trust it
    My mind change me so much I can't even trust myself

  • MadAceMadAce Member Posts: 2,461

    Science teaches us about the manifold of merits of religion.

    People aiming to turn atheism into a religion combat this logical approach of faith. Sadly.

  • badgerbadgerbadgerbadger Member Posts: 148

     

     

     I once was debating with a friend about; in particular; christianity

        And his closing argument was that if I was truly good enough to do what was right BECAUSE it was right; rather than for selfish reasons of promises of stick or carrot; I might want to consider myself an exception...

      when I asked if he meant that he believed nothing short of that could keep "most" people behaving; he simply enough said yes.

     

  • bhagamubhagamu Member Posts: 425

    Flamebait.

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  • arvainisarvainis Member Posts: 548

    Hasn't anyone learned anything from watching Southpark?  If we, as a human race, were not killing each other over religion we would simply find something else to kill each other over.  To say that religion is the root of all evil is simply ignorant. 

    "Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." ~ Ronald Reagan

  • JonnyHelfireJonnyHelfire Member Posts: 125

    Religion shall knell to the pure evil and unholyness of SLAYER.

  • PyndaPynda Member UncommonPosts: 856


    Originally posted by arvainis
    If we, as a human race, were not killing each other over religion we would simply find something else to kill each other over.


    Absolutely. Take a look at the French Revolution (Rationalism) or Nazi Germany (Eugenics) if you want to find examples of savagery carried out in the name of science.

    The OP might also take a look at the sticky 'Religion and Politics Rule' currently just two posts up. But I personally could care less. If you want to push it and take your chances, go ahead.

  • ZikielZikiel Member Posts: 1,138

    Originally posted by JonnyHelfire


    Religion shall knell to the pure evil and unholyness of TOOL.

    Fixed.

    Frankly, I haven't got a problem with people practicing their religion, so long as it's

    a) peaceful (I don't wanna put up with your Jesus Camp bullsh*t)  and

    b) I'm left alone. No Jehovah's Witnesses, no pamphlets, no phone calls. No nothing.

  • JonnyHelfireJonnyHelfire Member Posts: 125
    Originally posted by Zikiel


     
    Originally posted by JonnyHelfire


    Religion shall knell to the pure evil and unholyness of TOOL.

     

    Fixed.

    Frankly, I haven't got a problem with people practicing their religion, so long as it's

    a) peaceful (I don't wanna put up with your Jesus Camp bullsh*t)  and

    b) I'm left alone. No Jehovah's Witnesses, no pamphlets, no phone calls. No nothing.

    Slayer is more unholy.

  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918

    No, Slayer is just louder...go listen to Judith, Eulogy, and Ænema and then tell me that Slayer is more "unholy"

     

    Anywhoo, I didn't watch either video because i've heard all of these same arguments time and time again.  Religion is not the root of all evil, evil is the root of all evil, and it comes in many forms.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • JonnyHelfireJonnyHelfire Member Posts: 125
    Originally posted by Draenor


    No, Slayer is just louder...go listen to Judith, Eulogy, and Ænema and then tell me that Slayer is more "unholy"
     
    Anywhoo, I didn't watch either video because i've heard all of these same arguments time and time again.  Religion is not the root of all evil, evil is the root of all evil, and it comes in many forms.

    I have the song Aenima and its about fuck the wannabe gangstas which I agree with, but sorry Slayer is more evil.

  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918

    Originally posted by JonnyHelfire

    Originally posted by Draenor


    No, Slayer is just louder...go listen to Judith, Eulogy, and Ænema and then tell me that Slayer is more "unholy"
     
    Anywhoo, I didn't watch either video because i've heard all of these same arguments time and time again.  Religion is not the root of all evil, evil is the root of all evil, and it comes in many forms.

    I have the song Aenima and its about fuck the wannabe gangstas which I agree with, but sorry Slayer is more evil.


    If you think that Ænema is just about wannabe gangstas then you probably don't have the proper mental capacity in order to fully appreciate the glory of Tool.

     

    Anyway, this is a stupid argument, so I'm gonna stop.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • It is possible to corrupt even the most peaceful message. Do you really think true and honest Christians would carry out atrocities on the scale of the Crusades and the Inquisition? Some who participated were evil, some merely confused and led astray, but they fell far short of the message of Christ. If every supposed Christian on this Earth practiced what they supposedly believe I would never have any trouble with any of them. Pacifism and forgiveness, going out of your way to help others, not a bad deal if you're into it. The general message of the New Testament always seemed to focus more on forgiveness and tolerance and....I dare say, love.



    I say this, by the way, as a non-Christian.

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    Ignorance is the root of all evil.

  • MolockMolock Member Posts: 4

    I watched both those a long time ago.. hehe

    I am an atheist of course, but I do respect all religions that don't try and shove their beliefs down your throat.

  • Malachi1975Malachi1975 Member Posts: 1,079

    Originally posted by poopypants


     
    Ignorance is the root of all evil.

    Can I quote this for truth a few million times....please?

    "What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."

  • noaknoak Member Posts: 44
    Originally posted by KnivesOnly


    The God Delusion
    http://www.tv-links.co.uk/video/9/6169/9597/60065/84794
    The Virus of Faith
    http://www.tv-links.co.uk/video/9/6169/9601/60068/84797
     
    Really liked watching these and i personally don't believe that theres a god, i respect everyones opinion but...



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  • AdrealAdreal Member Posts: 2,087
    Originally posted by KnivesOnly


    The God Delusion
    http://www.tv-links.co.uk/video/9/6169/9597/60065/84794
    The Virus of Faith
    http://www.tv-links.co.uk/video/9/6169/9601/60068/84797
     
    Really liked watching these and i personally don't believe that theres a god, i respect everyones opinion but...

    I just wasted 47 minutes of my life watching a movie that was hypocritical, ill informed, and ultimately unrevealing. Just to save you guys some time, don't watch the second movie. I may try the first out tomorrow.

    Edit: Personally I find much more intellectual reward in studying the pages of the Bible, reading articles on them, and debating with others. That's not particularly because I'm a Christian either. I simply find it to be much more satisfying and exciting to learn something new about the doctrines of Scripture or interesting archaeological discoveries relating to the Biblical records rather than watching a propaganda movie that tries to horrify atheists into being scared of religion while providing no answers, depth, or philosophical exercise of one's mind.

    "Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather
    "Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek
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  • AdrealAdreal Member Posts: 2,087
    Originally posted by Molock


    I watched both those a long time ago.. hehe
    I am an atheist of course, but I do respect all religions that don't try and shove their beliefs down your throat.

    I'm just wondering what atheists generally accept as shoving someone's beliefs down their throats. Seriously, I would like to know. Would you be offended if someone who believed they could help save you from death told you once about the way in which you could live forever? Or is it more of an ongoing thing in which you would be offended if it happened to you multiple times by the same person or once by multiple people?

    "Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather
    "Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek
    AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain

  • AdrealAdreal Member Posts: 2,087

    If I could just add one last comment for the time being... I personally think that it takes more intellectual prowess to swim against the current of - if you will - commonly held fallacies in which there is generally only to the surface a silver veneer when once peeled back reveals the gold beneath and opens doorways of thought not considered beforehand by answers or at least prevalent and shallow considerations with little depth. Open your mind. Theories in science should not be accepted as laws but theories, and those theoretical or hypothetical scenarios taught to you in highschool as facts or actual occurrences should be taken with a grain of salt.

    "Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather
    "Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek
    AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain

  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182

    Religion is one of the most dangerous things on this earth.

    Anybody who claims his/her religion only teaches love and peace should open his or her holy book and actually read what it says.

  • nurglesnurgles Member Posts: 840

    I realy enjoyed the two episodes. i particularly like the the 'holy teapot' and 'one god more' arguments.

    Richard Dawkin's stated that he did not want to call it the root of all evel, but it was made that title by the marketers specificaly to be more controversial. 

    Does religeon harm people? sure it does. Does religeon help people? sure it does.

     

  • kel11kel11 Member Posts: 1,089
    Originally posted by nurgles

    Does religeon harm people? sure it does. Does religeon help people? sure it does.

    Great statement.

    Change my mind so much I can't even trust it
    My mind change me so much I can't even trust myself

  • MadAceMadAce Member Posts: 2,461

    Originally posted by Gameloading


    Religion is one of the most dangerous things on this earth.
    Anybody who claims his/her religion only teaches love and peace should open his or her holy book and actually read what it says.

    You fail to understand that religion doesn't do sht. People who practice the religion do stuff. See the critical difference there?

     

    It doesn't matter what's in the fucking book. Many religious people don't give a crap. People are free to live their religion how they wsh. They're free to interpret the fucking book the way they want.

  • CactusmanXCactusmanX Member Posts: 2,218

    First off I don't believe in the concept of good and evil, they are opinions and can change from person to person.

    Secondly, I don't think that humans created religion to do "evil" nor did the creation of religion cause them to do "evil".  Religion in itself is nothing more than an ancient institution that gives people a sense of belonging and attempts to answer questions of the universe and give people a sense of meaning in their lives.

    As someone will undoubtedly dissagree, I think all religious belief  & doctrine is man made, and as such is suseptable to what I consider the greatest and lowest qualities of man, from charity and compassion to bigotry and hatred.  Since it is created and run by humans, no different than government or any other institution, it is unfair to say something like religion is the root of all "evil".

    The real cause of these "evils" is one persons ideas being used to misguide the people that trust the person.  An idea, like religion, cannot harm people, it is the people using that idea that can.

    Acts of great violence can be commited in secular terms using secular ideas, just look at what the marxists did in Russia.

    I am not defending religion, I mean seriously I am an atheist, but I am against blaming an idea of a collective group who put trust into something that they thought was infallible, for the ideas of the trusted few that mislead them.

    If you want to find the "root of all evil" look no further than yourself and think what you might have done if something you believed to be true and great, told you to commit "evil" for the greater "good".

    I don't think that humans are "evil" at all, sometimes they just think or don't see the impact that their actions have on others, and sometimes they can become so diluted that they don't care.

    Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit

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