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Released game will be incomplete?
gatheris
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from what i've been able to determine from the gods and heroes website the game will be released with big sections of the game missing
so why bother?
i know i won't be purchasing now that i've found out crafting will be an add-on - at some future date
isn't it time for game devs to stop making promises that usually go unfulfilled?
what else is going to be missing and added (maybe) later?
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So how is saying "it will be added in the future" turned into a promise for release? pointless topic.
They're concentrating on the core game and getting that down for release... not a bad thing if you ask me. Most games do the exact opposite and get torn down for that... so now a company does what everyone asks for and gets torn for THAT too... can't please em all i guess... What i got from reading up was that they're gonna release the core game based around rome... then in future expansions they're releasing new continents and new lore and crafting yes... but what would you rather have a game that focusies on they're core game and then releases great expansions OR a game that takes 10 years to release is buggy as all get out and never releases an expansion?
-Limited PvP until the NvN expansion comes out unless the FFA servers are up at launch
-Lack of Races because the Egyptians will not be added until the expansion
-Lack of ALL the quests because they'll be continually adding more
WOW..maybe you should NEVER buy an MMO or computer game again because lots of things get added or fixed after release..
The other posters explain the reasons perfectly, I just feel like poking a troll.
ummm.....would you buy a doorless car on the promise that you'll get the doors 6-12 months down the road?
Make, model and year of the car?
No matter how long you work on a game or test a game there will be something wrong with it because either there is so much coding that there are bugs or something looked better on paper but didn't pan out that well for the real deal. Not flaming or anything but thats an excuse because it looks bad if a company ever says they need money to continue making their product. No matter how upfront a business is there is always secrets, its required for them to thrive, people would worry too much if they knew everything and then the business would fail without support
Don't take it personal or anything but thats probably more of the truth, and at the same time if there not being any crafting bothers you then wait for them to make it, honestly if they were gana add it now then it would tak on even more time all there doing is giving the people something to play while they continue to improve it.
ummm.....would you buy a doorless car on the promise that you'll get the doors 6-12 months down the road?
A car and an MMO have just about nothing in common...At release, GnH will look great, run great and be fun. The crafting and pvp systems implemented will be what the players want and will be so much better than if they were just quickly put in there without any thought.
No matter how long you work on a game or test a game there will be something wrong with it because either there is so much coding that there are bugs or something looked better on paper but didn't pan out that well for the real deal. Not flaming or anything but thats an excuse because it looks bad if a company ever says they need money to continue making their product. No matter how upfront a business is there is always secrets, its required for them to thrive, people would worry too much if they knew everything and then the business would fail without support
the problem is - crafting and their version of PVP is hardly going to be central to the game is it?Don't take it personal or anything but thats probably more of the truth, and at the same time if there not being any crafting bothers you then wait for them to make it, honestly if they were gana add it now then it would tak on even more time all there doing is giving the people something to play while they continue to improve it.
if crafting isn't essential to gameplay at the start it is hardly going to be essential 6 months later so why bother at all?
i will have to wait and see of course but it doesn't look good from here
oh well, i've only been playing eq2 for a few months and am enjoying it and there is so much more to see and do that the wait won't exactly be painful
ummm.....would you buy a doorless car on the promise that you'll get the doors 6-12 months down the road?
A car and an MMO have just about nothing in common...of course not but if you wont buy an unfinished car why would you buy a game that is unfinished? and plz dont give me that "mmo's are never finished" line. that's just making excuses
in any case i'll be waiting for 6mos to a year to ever try this game upon it's release. no sense playing a game missing ingredients til they're all in.
ummm.....would you buy a doorless car on the promise that you'll get the doors 6-12 months down the road?
A car and an MMO have just about nothing in common...of course not but if you wont buy an unfinished car why would you buy a game that is unfinished? and plz dont give me that "mmo's are never finished" line. that's just making excuses
in any case i'll be waiting for 6mos to a year to ever try this game upon it's release. no sense playing a game missing ingredients til they're all in.
A car is a huge investment, an unfinished car is not safe.
An MMO is not a huge investment, an unfinished MMO can be unstable and buggy, as far as i can tell GnH will be pretty polished, but that's another thing to find out at open beta...
If you feel you have to wait a bit or until the features you like are added then go ahead, I certainly wouldn't buy it if they didn't have what I wanted... The game could still be fun without those parts though, can't argue with that.
The game is incomplete. We were told there would be eight minions, then they drop it to four. At first you could choose any God and any class, now you can only choose 1 of 2 gods for each class. All done in the cause of "balance". How about the cause of, "Oh crap this isn't gonna work." I defended PE for a long time, saying they would follow through on their product. Look at the facts, PE has been cutting stuff from the game from Day 1, oh but in the name of game balance. I'm sure the game will be solid and will have a decent following, I however like more in my game then just PvE and pretty graphics. Oh but wait, sometime down the road they will add RvR, crafting etc. Sometime down the road could be a mile, or 1000 miles. Sorry, too many promises and "down the roads." I'm glad that PE is up front as one of the posters said, now I can focus on other things rather then a game that keep losing peices as it goes down the road.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." ~ Ronald Reagan
you have summed things up perfectly - i'm just sorry that things have turned out this way
i guess it is EQ2 for a while yet
Personally I dont mind if they dont have crafting, etc in the game at release. There are far too many MMO's released with these elements in that are buggy or not worth it and end up getting overhauled anyway.
What will make or break it is the time they take to implement these features into the game. If they take 12mths, people will loose patience. I know that if they promise crafting mounts etc, max waiting time would be 4-6mths, if not implemented sooner. That's just a personal expectation.
They are being different and wanting to make the game the best it can be, which is great but thats also a trade off against are they actually going to be able to deliver the elements they promised in a timley fashion.
If they are unable to then people will not stay, if they are more power to them for going against the grain.
~L
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Final Fantasy 7
Sounds like SOE is rushing this game out the door like they did Vanguard.
Here we go again...
Sony is doing anything. Sony is in charge of marketing and have nothing to do with development.
Yes, there's no crafting at launch. And yes, there's little PvP at launch. PE made this choice very early because they want to make a solid game to release with. So when it's realeased the game plays like a game and not like a bugfest.
If you are into crafting, then play the game when it's in eventually. PE always stated that GnH was going to be an action based mmorpg to begin with. All devs have really big plans when they start to develop and sometimes you should let go of these ideas and just make a good solid action game.
The point is that there's nothing "missing" in this game.
Oh common Bzrk, just stop it...
Yes Sony does nothing, but there is a lot of issues/reasons, that push game back and u know that. I like how u defend game and Dev, but a true gamer is the one who can find good and bad stuff in the mmo, and talks about it wide open, not just to stick with one side, do u know what I'm saying ??? its called constructive criticism , and when pple cannot take it they go EXTREME... Stand up and accept the down side and do not be afraid to talk about it even on community.godsandheroes forum (btw i would like to c that), unless of course u do not want to lose your seat in beta, haha
I have the feeling if u start expressing radical ideas on their forum, they ask u to be silent or kick u out of beta, u have a chance to try it out...
Conclusion : PVE mmo, with "promising future expansions", that does not meet current time frame, and most of the player's needs...
I asked long time ago if GH gonna be better or is going to have limited community, guess they both were right.
U do not have to be a genies to figure that
I don't think SoE has anything to do with rushing the game out or anything. In fact if all it takes for you to have fun is some great PvE and storyline to go along with it then I hope you'll try this game. There's just been too many "down the roads" and too much dropped from the game that got me excited about it in the first place. Hopefully I'm wrong and 6 months after it goes live, BAM an awesome RvR expansion comes out and it owns. I just don't see it though. As far as going on the forum and pointing out the downpoints of the game, people have already done that. The community is awesome and comes together to try and help that person (usually.) That's a great thing. Like you're saying though don't be so blind as to just follow every word they put out to the letter.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." ~ Ronald Reagan
Car doors are part of the core product. So no, I would not. But I would buy a car and add the DVD player and X-Box later on though.
Release it sooner? The game has been in development just as long as any other (and maybe longer) standard MMO available today. To concentrate that time on the core game can only be a good thing. This has always been the game plan. As far back as i am able to look, there was never talk of having full PvP or crafting in at release. It has been a new approach and concept from day 1.
Sure, as with any software based product, there will always be bugs found after release when you have a huge amount of eyes looking at the product. That is not in debate here. The effort is to hopefully make it the most bug free/playable game MMORPG launch to date. I still say that if this works, we will see more companies take this route with future games as well.
As for money, at some point that will factor in. For P.E., I think they are still in a very comfortable zone at this point however. But as they have the product that they set out to make in hand, why not release it?
If you got some good arguments, I'll even back you up on them. Seriously. I'm not afraid to lose anything on the boards there because I haven't GOT anything there. You know that as well as I do. But making posts about "there are a lot of reasons and issues that push the game back" doesn't cut it. Challenge me.
To give you a small example. WoW started out with PvE only also. They had PvP servers at the start, which GnH is also gonna have. That turned out ok now didn't it? And crafting doesn't even really exist. Just gathering materials/getting a recipe and make something. That's no real indepth crafting to me. So I still don't see what's missing in GnH.
But hey, I dare you to prove me otherwise. Good luck!
Hey whats up , how is Netherlands?
Now we talking... I already pointed whats missing. U can accept it or not , the choice is yours, and i respect it no matter which side u r on. i'm not here to change your mind, or some 1 mind.
Cheers
Now, do you think there is a dev team out there that can really say " this game launched with everything it it the way we want it"? There are budgets, and deadlines, and alot of pressure on these guys. I'll be happy wiht a well done version of what they do release, as opposed to waiting a year for the same game but with som PvP and crafting, especially when they can patch that stuff in later.
And as for them changing the original idea, all ideas need refinement. If they decided that limiting minions and god selection is for the best, then im with them on that..
If you're fine with someone limitting what they said they could deliver then good for you. I have higher standards and I think that dropping from 8 minions to 4 is a game breaker for me. It also goes to show that they will cut features out of the game. They said they could deliver something and failed. If that's OK with you then have fun. I just lost faith in PE to deliver on their promises.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." ~ Ronald Reagan
If they want to release the game at a stage in which they think it's complete, that's their perogative. Your perogative as a consumer is to buy when you think you're getting a good deal (that is, features/fun versus cost). Everyone will have a different opinion on what they would consider a fully featured or complete MMO.
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In the beginning was really hyped about this game ( not any more), w/ all pple were talking (expecting) from it, but when game started getting some shape, i quickly realized the downside of this mmo., I totally agree that w/ all new stuff its gonna bring to mmo world its lacking major mmo attributes , and demands of pple.
Maybe, and i say maybe,the game gonna be better down the road ( 00+ years later), but for now it is lets just say "incomplete"
P.S. I would not buy a new car with future promises from a dealer to install missing doors in about 6 month, hehe sad but true...
Btw its back on the floor in anticipation haha, im surprised its still hanging there