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I feel sorry for the Vanguard Players
Nopex
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I just wanted to make a thread saying how sorry I feel for the current VG subscribers enjoying the game and using this forum.
I played it for about a month and have since moved to LOTRO. I can however truly understand the appeal Vanguard has. Whatever anybody says about the graphics, playability or execution of VG by Sigil, it has more ambition and depth than most other MMO's out there at the moment in my opinion. In theory, it's a true 3rd Gen MMO, but has unfortunately been executed short of full potential by Sigil, be that a rush out the door by SOE or lack of precision in Sigil. Hopefully SOE can make something of it.
To my mind, there is no reason except blatant immaturity for people to trample all over the forum ,slating the game and ruining what start out to be innocent threads. The person posting screenshots of the game has the post turned into a blatant flamewar between it and any other game the troll pklays themselves.
You know what guys? There have been a million game reviews that have come out for VG and not one of them said it was anything other than what you've found it out to be. Youve not been ripped off. If you believed Brad when he sold the game to you, thats your fault. When Coke tell me their drink is the tastiest shit on Earth I don't believe them and if your justification is you were ripped off, you're a dumbass. Read the reviews before you spend your money. Just play whihever MMO you play, post on that forum, grow up and leave these guys who are having fun alone. I'm, pretty sure they dont come and troll your games forum..
Leave the people who love the game and have fun to themselves cos you're not telling anyone anything new, or making yourself out to be smart by being a flame-whore.
I hope all the imperfections are ironed out and I can come back and play with you guys one day. There's a great game under there. Just a little too far udner for me to tolerate atm
I played it for about a month and have since moved to LOTRO. I can however truly understand the appeal Vanguard has. Whatever anybody says about the graphics, playability or execution of VG by Sigil, it has more ambition and depth than most other MMO's out there at the moment in my opinion. In theory, it's a true 3rd Gen MMO, but has unfortunately been executed short of full potential by Sigil, be that a rush out the door by SOE or lack of precision in Sigil. Hopefully SOE can make something of it.
To my mind, there is no reason except blatant immaturity for people to trample all over the forum ,slating the game and ruining what start out to be innocent threads. The person posting screenshots of the game has the post turned into a blatant flamewar between it and any other game the troll pklays themselves.
You know what guys? There have been a million game reviews that have come out for VG and not one of them said it was anything other than what you've found it out to be. Youve not been ripped off. If you believed Brad when he sold the game to you, thats your fault. When Coke tell me their drink is the tastiest shit on Earth I don't believe them and if your justification is you were ripped off, you're a dumbass. Read the reviews before you spend your money. Just play whihever MMO you play, post on that forum, grow up and leave these guys who are having fun alone. I'm, pretty sure they dont come and troll your games forum..
Leave the people who love the game and have fun to themselves cos you're not telling anyone anything new, or making yourself out to be smart by being a flame-whore.
I hope all the imperfections are ironed out and I can come back and play with you guys one day. There's a great game under there. Just a little too far udner for me to tolerate atm
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Good post too
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Vanguard screenshot diplomacy battles?
You've been playing too much dude..
When they are playing VG, they are just having a rotten time because a thread on MMORPG had been critcal of the game?
VG Player: "Gee I love this game so much, but dammit! There was a thread on MMORPG which was my choice to read that said VG sucked, so I can't enjoy myself! I better go start a thread demanding only good things are allowed at MMORPG."
Like it or not, no game ever made only has people saying what you want to hear in the forums, good or bad. I fail to see how the Vanboys are suffering because of this fact of life.
Me, I am optimistic Sony will save VG, but its almost time to get ready for WAR and AoC, so they have an uphill battle against the clock.
It's one thing when someone flames a thread and at least stays on topic. I mean if you have an opinion on the topic cool, but if you just jump into any thread that could possibley positive towards the game and flame it to high hell with anything you can think of, not cool.
The second type of flaming seems to happen a lot around here. Make a positive post about VG and watch how long it takes someone to bring up some sort of negetivety completely unrelated to the topic. Go through and look at some of the posts on other pages that are positive. Threads turn ugly really fast around here; for no reason other then someone feels they need to discourage others from doing something they didn't like.
Wish Darkfall would release.
"when Coke tells me their drink is the tastiest **** on earth I don't believe them"
Well I believe them, I have never tasted anything better
You won't get one without the other. These forums serve as a place to debate the merits of a game, both good and bad, and everyone is entitled to their opinion regarding them.
If you don't want to see rebuttals to your positive thread, don't create new threads, its pretty simple. I've got over 1500 posts and have created like maybe... 5 threads total the entire time I've been here? Why? Because I don't really care to troll for responses from other players, either positive or negative, so I don't bother starting them. (but I do love to join in)
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You won't get one without the other. These forums serve as a place to debate the merits of a game, both good and bad, and everyone is entitled to their opinion regarding them.
If you don't want to see rebuttals to your positive thread, don't create new threads, its pretty simple. I've got over 1500 posts and have created like maybe... 5 threads total the entire time I've been here? Why? Because I don't really care to troll for responses from other players, either positive or negative, so I don't bother starting them. (but I do love to join in)
Accually I've been around for about 3 years now.
I wasn't talking about disagreing within the topic of a post, but derailing posts just so that you can tell people the game sucks.
Wish Darkfall would release.
"a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas"
You may not like the substance or tone of a post and the moderators will do the work they need to do to keep things from going off the deep end, but if contrary opinion troubles you so much, perhaps you need to stop reading, you know, forums.
This is a forum to discuss MMOs. Vanguard one of the biggest failures in MMO history. If it were not for SOE stepping in at the last minute Vanguard would not have servers active. Vanguard was made by one of the creators of arguably the first major successful MMO, Everquest.
Vanguard was an attempt to invalidate the success of one of the most popular games of all times, WoW by putting the "suck" and tedium back into MMOs. Add to that a very vocal fanbase both positive and negative, $30 million dollars, redux of Verant/SOE relationship, and you have something to talk about.
Once the game finally goes under completely we will talk a lot at that time. It is just a matter of when it will happen. Well maybe they will be able to keep 1 or 2 servers live. It took several months for Horizons to get to this point also. First the server merges and then turning the servers off.
This isn't an attack in anyway, just a comment:
I don't feel sorry for the Vanguard or any other players who post here. No one forces anyone to read / write any of the mass amounts of trash thats posted here, my own included. mmorpg.com is a site were the trolls come to do battle with the hard core forum defenders. Take a look at any game here on this site, its same thing. Some knothead troll vomiting some unthoughtout, provoking remark just trying to get a reaction, then the defenders take the bait and post 10 pages of relies.
There is very little actual discussion on this site about actual gameplay/community or game focused conversation. The little bit that is posted is usually quickly assaulted by some troll who turns it into a flame battle. Everyone of us here troll this site to argue with the other posters.
I'm sure Vanguard will eventually shape up to be a fine game, to bad it launched in the condition it was in, it made itself an easy target.
I don't know why people bash Vanguard so much. To me the game is just fine. Though it might not offer what was originally planned, it still has got lots of fun gameplay elements. Since UO and early SWG I havn't played any mmorpg that has been worthwhile to me. Vanguard changed that. Up untill now, it has been very worthwhile.
Due to the high anticipation and hype surrounding the game there are a lot of people left disillusioned. But there is no sense to be bitter about it. If you didn't like the game, so be it... There are lots of other games waiting for you. I really don't understand that people are willing to put time and effort in bashing games they don't even play anymore.
Anyway, I think Vanguard does have a future. It just isn't a game for everyone. If they just pollish it up and increase performance it will end up well.
Prolly most people think it is a 'failure' is because the hype for it was insane. I didnt really follow the game but whenever I heard of it it was in the context of revolutionary, 3rd gen, Brad the Game God Rockstar, etc etc. So the game releases and my first thought is Hey! This isnt Revolutionary!
Thats doesnt make it a failure to be sure, but the hype surrounding it practically guaranteed disappointment imo
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I could'nt have said it better myself!
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Whatever your opinion, positive or negative, when you share it with the public community at large you must be prepared to recieve others opinions on the subject and they are not always going to be positive. If you only wish to recieve replys that are in the same light as yours, I suggest you post on silkyvenom.
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Vanguard, the game, is dying a slow death. Soon we will post it's obituary. For whom does the bell toll? It tolls for Vanguard. The clock is ticking. tick...tock..tick...tock...tick..tock
We both agree that Sigil failed. No problem there.
There does seem to be a debate as to whether Vanguard failed or not. It all depends on
how you define failure of an MMO. (We distinguish failure from death since the servers are
still running, so clearly it is not dead).
If we define failure of an MMO as being profitable for the game maker (not publisher), it fails.
If we define failure of an MMO as building on and maintaining its initial subscription base,
it failed. (It sold approx 200K boxes and has somewhere between 30 - 50K subscription
players).
If you define failure as not meeting the expectations of the prospective customer set (whether
they were reasonable or unreasonable), it failed.
If you define failure as not meeting the expectations of the game maker / producer, it failed.
The opposite of failure is success.
I would not call a game successful, if it was the sole product of a company and its release
drove the company out of business.
Success is an attribute that many want to copy or emulate. Vanguard is what people point
at to say what NOT to do for an MMO. There are positive and negative examples. Perhaps
there are also negative and positive successes. Some call a negative success a failure.
So if Vanguard was not a failure, perhaps it was a success. If so, please explain why
Vanguard was a success. Because I sure don't see it.
The reviews will tell me an "objective" (I know, some are biased) view of the game itself: how it plays, graphics, etc.- but if the designers are saying that things are in-game that really are not in-game, than, yes, I'm going to feel ripped off.
Me and a few friends decided to try out LOTRO while we debated the future of VG. We read alot of player and site reviews, all positive, that gave us the green light to spend away. None of us could last 1 week in that game for varying reasons and are back in VG basically 'wasting time'. I was guilty of bashing VG on certain sites during the hiatus, but never bothered to make 1 derogatory post against LOTRO... the difference being I got what I paid for in 1 game and not the other. I think the game can make a small rebound in subs as there arent many choices out there for MMOs and the next ones are due after summer if that.
If there is a radical change to make VG easier, then we will leave again. This game hasnt gotten any better for us, there arent many alternatives out there, our standards have lowered, we have less fun. I do laugh at your wording 'feel sorry' for the VG players, makes me think of war prisoners.
For me, it has been the complete opposite: Brad made a lot of unkept promises; such as player housing, helmet graphics, caravans, interesting and epic travel, mechanisms to release the feeling of "grinding", a working "advanced Encounter System", ect. and I'm curious why you feel the opposite as myself. (eek-gawd, I hope you do not take my question as a flame; as I am ligitamatly curious).