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Anyone see the latest Republican debate? Lot
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...lot's of controversy (I accidently pressed enter)
I did and it seems like Ron Paul and Giuliani are the most talked about.
RON PAUL AND RUDY GIULIANI MIX-IT-UP & IGNITE THE STAGE! <-- Controversial part of debate
Ron paul in the official Fox Republican debate poll after the debate <--- Hilarity ensues. Just look at the expressions on their faces.
Ron Paul on CNN talking about the debate today. <--- Clearing up what happened during the debate and clearing up what you can't say in 30 seconds (time you get during the debate to answer questions).
I did and it seems like Ron Paul and Giuliani are the most talked about.
RON PAUL AND RUDY GIULIANI MIX-IT-UP & IGNITE THE STAGE! <-- Controversial part of debate
Ron paul in the official Fox Republican debate poll after the debate <--- Hilarity ensues. Just look at the expressions on their faces.
Ron Paul on CNN talking about the debate today. <--- Clearing up what happened during the debate and clearing up what you can't say in 30 seconds (time you get during the debate to answer questions).
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
if either of them get it..i'm moving to Mexico.. I think both of them are assholes..
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
Clinton I get, but Obama? Seriously bud, name one thing that Obama ever did to make himself out to be an asshole. I am not talking about political beliefs but actions or behavior. The guy is not my first choice but he is not what I would call an asshole and I can't see how anyone could.
Personally I am an Edwards man myself but these videos really helped me make up my mind on a few things. First of all I suddenly have great respect for Ron Paul and not only do I wish to see him at the Republican Candidate for president, but I am very glad to see that not all Republicans are hiding behind false bravado and paper thin "patriotism".
The second thing I realized is that I now absolutely do not like Rudy Giuliani. I was always on the fence with him and could never make up my mind. I knew he was cashing in on being the 9/11 "Hero" and I really couldn't blame him for it, or for selling his views on important issues to those who are most likely to guarantee him the highest number of votes. But watching him purposely twist what he knows to be an absolutely logical point into a cheap reminder that he was in NY during 9/11 and that "USA is Great!" just so he could convince sheep to baa loudly was not only in poor taste but completely pathetic and transparent.
It is one thing to ignore logic but to purposely combat it when you recognize it for what it is borders on criminal negligence.
I dug up this recent Family Guy Episode clip because it seems to apply: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlqiYeET0TY
Ditto.
I think that Ron Paul needs to examine the things that he says if he wants to get elected. I disagree with him that the United States brought 9/11 on itself, but that's an issue far too complicated to get into here...Ignoring the stupid attempt by Giuliani to score points with the people, I think Ron Paul would do well to not make it seem as though America was responsible for 9/11. Also, I can't get on board with a candidate who supports the immediate withdrawl of our soldiers in Iraq. I think that that is an extremely nieve position to take.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
It hs nothing to do with "doing the right thing in Iraq", smart ass...it has to do with the fact Ron Paul is talking about America's responsibility for 9/11 while ignoring the fact that to withdrawl immediately would be extremely irresponsible in its own right.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
They way things keep going all the Democrats have to do is sit back and watch.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Our forefathers believed in noninterventionism.
Thomas Jefferson summed up the noninterventionist foreign policy position perfectly in his 1801 inaugural address: “Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations- entangling alliances with none.” Washington similarly urged that we must, “Act for ourselves and not for others,” by forming an “American character wholly free of foreign attachments.”
I would say Thomas Jefferson understood the concept of a free nation and how a free nation must operate, more than the neocon agenda of today.
interventionism clearly has not worked, just look at the state of the world and where America is in relation and the massive tragedies like 9/11. Rudy tries to say they attacked us because our freedom, women, and whatever else...but fails to realize other countries have it very similar...
It's ironic that Rudy says that because we are losing our privacy/freedoms for security so in fact the terrorists are winning in that case. Ron Paul would let us keep our privacy/freedoms and so the terrorists wouldn't win. Ron would also bring our troops home and secure our borders, instead of having our troops all the way in Iraq while keeping America's borders open for attack. We are spreading our troops all over the world. What stops terrorists from coming to America? certainly not our occupation of Iraq. Our occupation of Iraq isn't homeland security by any means.
Also Iraq is bringing us into MASSIVE debt. Our debt is giving other countries more power over us. The only reason one can even talk about cutting taxes like Bush, is because he would cut our taxes now and just borrow more from some other country to pay back later with INTEREST! We are going into deeper debt by 1.30 BILLION dollars a DAY. We are in total $8,804,773,385,156 in debt!!! Ron Paul will get rid of that debt and the only candidate that I heard even mention it and the only candidate with serious answers to that problem and the one who will be the most aggressive on the debt compared to anyone.
Between the occupation, and the debt, America is in deep trouble.
Btw to Draenor: It would be very responsible to get out of Iraq. We are only pissing off nations and people and egging them on to fight us. The longer it goes, the more pissed off they get. We have created a breeding ground of terrorists. How many soldiers must die and for how long and how do we know when we have "won" and what will we have "won"?
One reason I heard we invaded, after the WMD failed, was that we were in there to liberate them. So after Iraq which nation will we liberate people from? Because obviously we have to liberate everyone, right? Or else we will be called bigots for ignoring everyone else. They will wonder what's up with out favoritism for Iraq.../sarcasm off
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
Israel.
The 9-11 Commission based its assessments on testimony from experts on terrorism and the Middle East. Asked about the motivations of the terrorists,
FBI Special Agent James Fitzgerald told the commission: "I believe they feel a sense of outrage against the United States. They identify with the Palestinian problem, they identify with people who oppose repressive regimes, and I believe they tend to focus their anger on the United States."
Fitzgerald's was not a lonely voice in the intelligence community.
Michael Scheuer, the former
Central Intelligence Agency specialist on bin Laden and al-Qaeda, has objected to simplistic suggestions by
President Bush and others that terrorists are motivated by an ill-defined irrational hatred of the United States. "The politicians really are at great fault for not squaring with the American people," Scheuer said in a CNN interview. "We're being attacked for what we do in the Islamic world, not for who we are or what we believe in or how we live. And there's a huge burden of guilt to be laid at Mr. Bush, Mr. Clinton, both parties for simply lying to the American people."
It is true that reasonable people might disagree about the legitimacy of Muslim and Arab objections to U.S. military policies. And, certainly, the vast majority of Americans would object to any attempt to justify the attacks on this country, its citizen and its soldiers.
But that was not what Paul was doing. He was trying to make a case, based on what we know from past experience, for bringing U.S. troops home from Iraq.
Giuliani's reaction to Paul's comments, especially the suggestion that they should be withdrawn, marked him as the candidate peddling "absurd explanations."
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
First of all, don't sensationalize it.
Second, yeah...leaving the country in its current state would be really responsible right? Going in, fucking things up, and then leaving is what would be best for the country right? Your boy Ron Paul talks about the responsibility that America had in 9/11...He somehow thinks that leaving Iraq is going to prevent things like 9/11; he's sadly mistaken.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
I didn't say that it was YOUR fault..it's not MY fault either. But as a collective, America is responsible. We elected Bush, and as such made him our representative. Whether you like that fact or not, it's true. I think you need to take a step back and examine whether or not you are speaking from an emotional standpoint because you have family/friends in Iraq...As for your talk about Iraqi's forcing us out...they'll never force us out, while our military is there, they don't need to defend themselves. Which is why America needs to me the one to decide when we pull out, not the Iraqi's...and that time is not now. The country is too unstable as a result of our invasion and occupation, leaving now is going to leave them in a state of disrepair...and do you know who will be called in to help fix them? You got that right...that's just how global politics work when you're the United States.
I agree that something needs to be done, and I agree that going there in the first place was a bad idea...but hatred for America will persist and grow whether we stay in Iraq or not...that's an issue much bigger, and much more complex than this relatively small war.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Ron Paul is the only candidate that seems to have any grasp of the historical and political situation the world finds itself in today. No other candidate, Republican or Democrat, has expressed anywhere near as firm a grasp on the foreign policy situation. This man knows what he's talking about, and the American people know what he's talking about which is why he is consistently doing well in polls.
The rest of the candidates are fools compared to Ron Paul:
1) They're power-hungry media whores (Clinton, Obama, Guiliani, McCain etc.)
2) They're pretty boy career politicians (Edwards, Romney, Brownback etc.)
3) They're incompetent fools that are running just to be sensationlist and annoying (Kucinich, Gravel, etc.)
I don't know...I'm usually a moderate Democrat but I would vote for Ron Paul if he were to win the Republican nomination (which doesn't seem very likely)
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Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
You know, it's a shame what happened to think tanks. They used to produce valuable, apolitical analysis. But partisanship crept into many of them. And the Bush Administration doesn't just come up with something as stupid as "If we leave now, they'll follow us home." No, they have someone from a think tank say it first. It's a way to lend respectability. The same reason a titty bar has food. I hear.
The think tanks that incubated the Iraq war have lofty names like the Heritage Foundation and the Project for a New American Century. Whatever. They've been wrong so often, I'm surprised they're not my broker. Richard Perle thought we could win Iraq with 40,000 troops. Paul Wolfowitz predicted, in 2003, that within a year, the grateful people of Baghdad would name some grand square in their fine city after President Bush. And he was right when he said they'd be waving American flags....They were on fire!
William Kristol pooh-poohed the fears that Sunnis and Shiites would be at each others' throats, as "the stuff of pop psychology." Right. And having your head chopped off is just a quick way to drop 11 pounds. Kristol, of course, is revered by much of the right because he was Dan Quayle's chief of staff, and was known as "Quayle's Brain." You know that. Which sounded impressive until I remembered Dan Quayle didn't have a brain.
And now, Mr. Kristol proposes immediate military action against Iran, predicting the Iranians will thank us for it. Hey, you know what, Nostrodamus? Why don't you sit this one out?
We'll get by using the Magic Eight Ball for a while. Because you guys have been so wrong about so much for so long, people are actually turning to the Democrats. So, we can say Iraq was a noble experiment, if that helps you. Our intention was good: to penetrate Iraq and bring it to a glorious, euphoric climax. But it's clear now that's just not going to happen. And yet we're still pounding away.
Causing the whole area to become painfully inflamed. And in that situation, the kindest thing you can do is...just pull out.
The most important part of reading is reading between the lines.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
"have you ever read the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we've been over there for years"
That tells me that he believes that if we pull out of the middle east, that the attacks will stop. If he believes this, then he is an idiot.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.