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The Perfect Form Of Government?
MadAce
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Ideal system is partly democratic and mostly technocratic.
Stands to reason that ideologies are old-fashioned and counterproductive. If a problem arises the most efficient solution should be chosen. Not one dictated by this or that ideology.
All national divisions are based on economical criteria. Language or anything else is not an issue.
Voting is once every two years. Every 4 years for the regional and national policies and every 4 years for international/communal policies.
Every possible policy (from which the people can choose) is created by small commissions for each department. No longer one person as the head of a department/ministry. There would be one chairman who would ensure the communication of the commission with the other commissions but 3 or 5 people who seat in the commission carry the effective “leadership” of a commission.
The general policy would be checked and coordinated by a kind of parliament consisting of representatives of all industry branches, national regions, ngo’s, organisations, lobbies, … These people wouldn’t be elected but they would be appointed by the organisations they represent. This parliament (which would number about 500 people) is completely replaced every 10 years. But not at once. The parliament checks the policymaking/legislative branch (the commissions) and the executive branch (all commissions mirrored, but with different people).
This parliament has a chairman who is responsible for the communication with the people. There are two Vice-Chairmen. One to coordinate the communication with other countries and one to coordinate the communication between all the branches and parts of the government.
Two Chairmen can remove the third one if the parliament agrees.
All 3 Chairmen together may veto any decision/policy after which the decision/policy can be decided upon by the people trough a referendum.
All Chairmen are chosen from a collection that is assembled by the policymaking commissions. The parliament can ask for a completely new collection of candidates. Anyone can be chosen for the collection of candidates.
The policy is executed by a series of commissions that have a configuration similar to that of the policymaking branch.
Both groups of commissions check the parliament and the Chairmen.
A representative or a member of a commission or anyone working in one of the 3 branches may have no other job than the one he/she is doing for the government. The person may also not seat in any board of directors. The person may also not own any shares. People who once were members of the military are forever excluded from any job in the government. All the assets and the complete tax record of anyone working in the government is made public.
Every commission is comprised from the best people from a certain field, representing as much knowledge as possible in that particular field.
Every commission has a small assisting bureau that makes calculations and one which searches for every possible piece of information that could be needed by the commission. Particularly the latest scientific breakthroughs in that field.
Anyone can be asked for a commission. New members are chosen at random from a list of candidates that is comprised of 2 names suggested by each member of a commission. A new member can only be accepted if at least 51% of the commission accepts.
75% of the gathered commission chairmen can recall a policy by any commission or ask for an analysis by an independent commission specifically appointed for the job whose members are chosen at random from a list of one name suggested by every member of parliament. That 75% can also completely disband a commission, if the parliament agrees. That 75% can also refuse the appointment of a new member in a commission.
Any member of a commission or of the parliament can be appointed for maximum 6 years after which he or she may not have a job in the government for 3 years.
The people elect no one in this whole process. No popularity contests. No massive and unchecked power of lobbies and no lawyer in charge of public health.
The revenues of new taxes (so not index-adjustments of older ones) that aren’t announced 6 years in advance may not be calculated into the budget. Thus new taxes on plastic packaging for example would have to be used for 100% for new investments and not to adjust the budget of another post of expenditure. After 6 years the spending of this money is free.
After a referendum emergency taxes can be instated.
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simple remove political parties from the ballot box (that way people we vote for can say what they think and not what there told to) remove private funding and make it more like a ruling council rather than a leader to rule.
oh and make everyone that is able to vote, vote or even if it's in a new box stating something like "no one here is worthy of my vote" box
Tin Foil hats dont work.. its all a conspiracy
Is that really the case? The world has gotten pretty complex. And every possible field in the government is very specialized and very complex. Hell, one issue of the times contains more information than the average person would meet in a life-time in the 1830's.
And people are really far too easily influenced and manipulated. If you remove the popularity contests altogether then you would have a government that knows what it does. The "pick your man" concept comes from times where one person and one mind could have an overview of affairs. These days that's impossible. Also, it's even more impossible for everyone to know everything there is to know about policies and affairs of state. You can't expect everyone to have a degree in economics, political science, logistics, management, sociology, ........ That's absurd. Hence why I say that policies should be chosen from a list of policies made by EXPERTS. People who know what they're talking about.
In stead of people choosing for the guy with the biggest smile.
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Yeah...because anarchist societies do sooooo well.
Simply put: There is no such thing as a perfect government, it's an oxymoron.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
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By all means, if you know a system of government that spends money with 100% efficiency according to the needs of the people, while simultaneously weighing the costs and benefits of specific demographics and still maintaining any kind of international relations, then let me know and I'll move there.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
By all means, if you know a system of government that spends money with 100% efficiency according to the needs of the people, while simultaneously weighing the costs and benefits of specific demographics and still maintaining any kind of international relations, then let me know and I'll move there.
See first post. I think that's a pretty realistic start.Of course the perfect perfect government would be a fully automated system. Without humans.
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* Without any living being. QFT
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Tin Foil hats dont work.. its all a conspiracy
It just happens that there is nothing better right now.
It infuriates me to hear people call America a Democracy. We are NOT a democracy. And anyone who wants to live under a system of mob rules is insane. Democracy does not protect the rights of the minority. It's why our founding fathers stayed away from it.
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Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
well If the world was a perfect world... then the perfect government would be communism...
and thats the truth
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The perfect form of government depends on what sort of society it is organized to govern. For instance, no government is excellent for small societies. In small agricultural communities and in hunter gatherer groups, group decisions typically are made by consensus within the group.
This, however, doesnt work in modern societies with complex divisions of labor and with very large populations.
I would have to say that for a modern society, a semi-democratic, technocratic system would be best. I say semi-democratic because I feel like being able to participate in democracy should be based on merit rather than on birth right (though all efforts should be made to make the greatest portion of society competent enough to participate in their governance). I say technocratic because often politicians are the best qualified to get into office and then are the least qualified to actually govern. China, for instance, has this right now, and the leaders are typically the most highly qualified people to run the government (similar to our CEOS... kind of) rather than our government which is headed by a bunch of people who have minimal knowledge on the things they make decisions regarding, but are incredibly skilled at winning elections.
The government also should not have any say in moral issues whatsoever, providing they cost no money to society as a whole. For instance, society suffers no physical harm from people watching well regulated pornography (so that the women arent coerced, arent paid in drugs, etc), so the government cannot regulate it. However, smoking causes health care costs to rise and as such should be regulated.
In times of economic prosperity, the government should also interfere in the economy only to ensure that the market remains free. For instance, if you have a choice of 3 or 4 companies to buy your gas from, and the board members typically sit on all of the boards... it is hard to say that competition can really exist in that situation. This excludes certain things, such as medicine and banking, where lay people dont possess the knowledge to make rational choices regarding the wisdom of where their money is going. However, in times of economic crisis, the government should take an active stance in building the economy. For instance, during the early days of the Soviet Union, the nation was able to go from an agricultural economy to a powerful industrial economy because of government management... however it faltered because it didnt permit market forces to help drive development during times of success.
Chances are good that my opinion on this topic will change by the morning, however.
I would have to agree, that in a perfect society, with perfect, selfless people, communism would be great...sadly though, people are people.
Anybody ever read Utopia?? I personally would HATE to live in a place like that.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Anarchy.
The problem is that people are clustered and packed in too closely to each other. Take a deep breath, go on a walk about, and think a bit.
What is government? It is a body of people to collectively decide policy for the good of the people they govern. OK that is diluting the issue. You want people to decide what is good for people. Lets take this a step further and realize that once every individual is able to think for themselves then why do they need someone to make decisions for them?
Government has become obsolete. The time has come that people are educated enough to make decisions for themselves. Government was necessary before when people were illerterate and could not read or understand issues. That is not the case now.
Government has outlived its usefulness.
People are better able to express their opinions than a representative.
But, the sad fact is that government has become a parasite on the human population. Government is now out of controlland the people that the government serves cannot stop the government. Who serves who and who is whos bitch?
In a perfect world every individual would have an equal say on subjects they have expertise. The problem is we have ignorant politicians speaking for us. Yay ignorant people spewing crap about global warming based on green house gasses! That is just one example.
The US calls themselves a democracy. The US is not a democracy. Why then does the US preach propoganda of freeing the world from comunism to democracy? It is all just propoganda. Any form of government can become corrupt. Communism, dictatorship republic, or democracy. They can all be corrupt . But, somehow they convince people that the corruption exists elsewhere.
In the end only you can speak for yourself. No system of government can truely represent you. That is why anarchy always has existed and allways will exist. Natural law, chaos theory, and logical perception all support anarchy.
You and only you can truely represent yourself.
Of course, you can extract a meaningful answer from the baker, but you'd be spending more time on educating the baker than letting him govern.
So you claim that people are intelligent enough to govern themselves?
That's pure and utter bullshit. That's some of the most destructive crap I've ever heard. Look at people who go vote... Or they don't give a shit, or they vote vor the guy they think has the nicest smile, or they vote for someone who has exactly the same views as his competitor.
People are more educated than ever (in theory) and the world is more complicated than ever.
Those who advertise anarchy should spend some time in an environment with anarchy. In a country with anarchy. How the fuck do you think people got this educated? Structure, discipline, science, ...
If anarchy would work then after Katrina there wouldn't have been gangs searching the rubble for a flatscreen tv in a city without electricity. If anarchy would work then the parts of our society outside of police control would be safe to live in.
People aren't intelligent/educated enough to know what's good for them. No, they're not. They think it's 3 cars, a giant house, a dog, a home entertainment system, a PS3, ... They think that makes them happy. Hell, people aren't even smart enough to spend their own money.
And your definition of a government is crap. A government is a body that... guess what... governs. To supervise. So get lost with your definition of a democracy.
You know why you don't see the merit of anti-global warming actions? Because it doesn't directly affect you. And if it doesn't directly afect you then you either don't believe it exists or you don't care for it. That is the centre of why people can't be allowed to rule. They're too caught up in their own self-centered crap.
And you know why else you don't see any truth in global warming? Becuase... You... Don't... Have... The... EDUCATION TO KNOW ANY CRAP ABOUT IT!!!
Go on. Read some reports on the subject. Read some papers that came in Science and Nature. I wonder if you'll understand shit of it. I bet you won't. How can you? How the fuck do you expect people to be climatologists?
Ok. Now read a report/paper on the economical growth of China and the effects it will have on the desertification of western china and how this in term will affect China's relations with Russia. So you'd need a degree in economics, political science, foreign political science, agriculture, sociology, ... Fuck. I even lost track of the list of stuff you need to know to understand it.
See? The world is complicated. In other words, it's not simple. Is this the fault of the people? Of course not. It's impossible to know everything you need to know to be smart enough to vote. that would be insane. truly insane. One field of a scientific discipline now has more knowledge than the whole of science had 200 years ago. These days scientists have to specialize, otherwise they're stuck.
So please stop bitching about "the people" being smart enough to govern themselves... Politicians are part of the people you know...
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