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Rogue vs Hunter or Shaman
Xeratix
Member Posts: 130
I think we all know a Rogue could whip a Shammy, but could The Stealth Master also beat a Hunter???
Also WHich profession for ROgue?
Also WHich profession for ROgue?
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Depends a great deal on who the Rogue and Hunter are, and the circumstances surrounding their fight.
Same goes for the Shaman. I wouldn't be so quick to say "we ALL know the Rogue will win every time."
In a duel? No.
The Hunter can open with flare and a trap, and keep them up at all times since the cooldown is shorter than the duration. The Rogue will have NO chance of getting the jump.
In open PvP in a world setting? Absolutely.
Part of the Rogue's power is his ability to pick and choose his fights. If the Hunter looks like he is prepared, then walk away. If not... start stabbing.
(DOnt give an (it depends answer lol))
Each class has its ups and downs.
Rogues are fun with stealth, but they depend on being able to control the fight. If a battle gets out of hand, the Rogue is usually the first to back out (or get killed).
Hunters are awesome at ranged and can crank out the damage, but up close and personal they just can't stand toe-to-toe. Traps and a pet can help, but it's usually too late.
The list goes on and on. Each class has something that makes you go "oh, that's fun" but they also can be murdered with relative ease. It's all about playing your cards as they're dealt and handling the situation as it unfolds.
Ok Im for rogues right now.... But rogues usally own alot but are they good at raid when fighting like.... say Dragons?
Actually, in a duel, yes the rogue can get the jump. Assuming they aren't hardware or connection challenged.
Shadowstep in the subtlety tree allows for a split second to open up. I've dueled many a hunter, since BC, and shadow step has been the only way to get the opener. If you're combat or assassin spec, you'll have an issue.
*edit* To answer the "what would you roll question"
It would be a toss up between a hunter or rogue.
The shaman has lacked in talent "progression" that a lot of the other classes have received.
Granted Resto is still an amazing spec for survivability, but you don't get the joy of "killing blows"
A subtlety rogue with 1800+ AP and 30% crit would definately own face.
Then again, a Marks spec hunter with over 1600 RaP would drop things nicely.
Even a survival spec hunter with 50% crit and those 2200 raptor hits would be fun.
-Benhamine
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No one class is better than another. If yu believe that you are easily duped. It boils down to:
1) Level
2) Gear
3) Spec
and that is it. If you want to add skill to inflate your ego but I can take a complete tard who is in a little better gear or little higher level and kick the crap out of you. It is all gear, spec, and level THAT IS IT!!!!!
-Benhamine
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-Benhamine If played correctly, rogues out-dps anyone by far on single targets, however multiple targets, they loose.
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Now i have only played a hunter to 28 and a rogue to 52. but personally i would say in open pvp. Shadowstep rogue > everything but Lock. my roommate plays his 1600 AP 70 SS rogue, and he has pulled out 3800 crit ambushes followed by 2200 backstabs. ON MAIL WEARERS. thats 6k damage within the first 3 seconds of the fight. if a rogue gets the jump on someone, ussually they win.
personnally i play a 61 mage now. lvl 70 spec is going to be 40/21/0. at 61 i have pulled out 5.6k damage with 2 pyros within 3 seconds of the first being in the air. but i cant stealth and im in cloth.
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On my 4/5 T4 Resto Shaman, I've lost ONE fight to a rogue. This was an exceptional rogue, combat spec with thunderfury.
Even then, it was a long fight. To assume a rogue, in general, will beat a shaman... is idiocracy.
What about raids, and battlegrounds
Do Rogues still have fun fighting with a 70 player group against say Onyxia??
Or do they lack
Fire Mage>Combat Rogue>Affliction Lock>Mutilate Rogue - Tier 1
Destruction Lock>Trueshot Hunter>Ice Mage>Shaman>Offensive Warrior - Tier 2
Sub Rogue>Demonology Lock>Damage Paladin - Tier 3
This may change drastically though with the upcoming T5 and T6 Sets where some classes scale a lot more to their equip than others. Weapon dependant classes will shine more than spellcasters since there is, given the necessary time and effort, more than 10 to 15 DPS single hand weapon damage to come which resembles a darn lot of +damage for casters that just isnt available at the current state.
PvP - It's as easy as this. Every class stands a chance against another because even the most pro gamers do not have the absolut equal equip/build and skill. Its about appropriate desicions in the right moment, and I am NOT talking about Battleground or Open-PvP (which is basically just ganking, you go for the enemy that looks weakest), im talking about Arena, where everyone comes up prepared and aware. In this setting, in my experience, in 2 vs 2, every single class combination can beat every other, you just need the right tactics, and i MEAN tactics.
Unfortunately, most of us dont have a very thorough understanding of how REAL fights work, half of it is psychology, even against high-skilled routine teams. And yes, you can beat a paladin and a offwarrior or the feared encounter of an lock and a shadow priest. Its all about separating.
Most teams just go in an hack n slash away, hoping that their burst damage is enough. That will lead to failure in many cases and give you some successes, even against good teams, because its a rock solid mediocre tactic. If youre lucky, lag helps, the opponent is not expecting it, it may even be a good tactic, BUT, using it all the time and making it the standard is VERY flawed.
So, well, I'm getting carried away I guess. What I wanted to say: NO class is automatically superior to another, in 1on1 duel situations some classes have extreme advantages, including the rogue or the mage, but in tactical 2v2, 3v3 or even 5v5 combat, every single class and specc can shine and make the day, from the holy priest to the affliction warlock.
Meridion
I just know one thing, frost mages OWN a rogue if you know how to do it, if a rogue is stupid enough to go stealth around you, frost nova the retard when u think he is in range adn bam he is dead, and if u got chill or w/e its called, evertime u hit him with a frost spell or he hits u, he has a chance to get frozen in place, frost mages own and can do great crowd control, especially with freezing ppl in place with blizz or just running around shooting off arcane explosions while u run for your life, or blink out of stun n stuff. (I also think hunters if they have the right pet can own a rogue too, depends on the situation.)
WoW addict.
Now Between Mage and Hunter which one should i roll?