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Texas signs new self-defense by gun law
reavo
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Amen to this law! It's about time. Saying that someone should retreat when someone enters their home is such B.S.! And now that we Texans can stand our ground in other places as well let's see some opportunistic punks learn their lesson!
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Bob and his unfriendly neighbor, George, keep getting into arguments. George cut down Bob's tree, and Bob is getting tired of his mischievous actions. One day, George takes his dog onto Bob's manicured lawn and allows it to do a 'number two' on it. Bob gets his desert eagle, blows George's brains out.
What stops Bob from saying George threatened him with his dog, and was on his property, so he fired upon him? Or even worse:
Person X is in a car (can't make up anymore names), and suddenly someone comes up to the car, demanding they get out or get stabbed. Person X pulls out a gun, and attempts to fire upon the criminal. Let's just say that he didn't get a clear shot, and the police turn up, how do they differentiate between the criminal and the victim?
All seems complicated to me.
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Wow that's awesome.
People who are legally and are decent citizens should know when to use a gun and when not too (like in petty arguments). Obviously some people aren't clear in the head and can be dangerous if they had a gun, but at the same time who's going to stop them from getting a gun in the black market? So now you have a idiot with an illegal gun and a clear headed person with a gun but very restricted in it's use under the law. This law texas passed helped the good person from idiots. Idiots are gonna be idiots and you can't do much about that except help the good people in protecting their civil liberties therefore fight the idiots more effectively.
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Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
If someone messes with you, you can now defend yourself without worrying about some lawyer throwing a stupid law at you saying you should have tried to retreat instead of use deadly force. If someone decides to come at me in a threatening way, then they have made the choice to face the consequences. And if someone comes into my home then I should have EVERY right to kill them. There is not a reason for someone to come in my home uninvited except to meet their demise. I am not retreating from my home and let criminals rule.
No law is perfect, but the old laws were less perfect than this one. You have to weigh the benefits vs the drawbacks. And in this case the benefits far outweigh the negatives that could happen.
If you let people run over you they will continue to run over you. And all the while laugh at you for being a sucker.
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-cheer leading, flag waving American
This is a good thing. Sure, there can be complications, but with what law has there not been any?
If someone was in my home, I personally would probably attempt to kneecap before anything else, but if it comes right down to it, I'd shoot wherever was convenient.
The arguement that people can lose their lives isn't very valid. Nowhere does it say in this law that if someone breaks into your house, that you HAVE to try and kill them. Its a judgement call by the person who owns the house. There are people who would stand and fight, and there are people who would favor the more cautious way. I sincerely doubt that this law changes the mind of anyone who would favor retreat, it just clears anyone who would defend themselves from criminal charges.
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the reason why i would defend my property is because of the mentality of the person who is doing it. they think they can just get through life by not working hard or leeching off other people who have worked for their families and property. i hate people that disrespect other people. I see this a lot at my school and it always gets me thinking. who raised these things? why are even such people allowed to live in our society? how can someone been raised allowed to not respect? If anone were to enter my house with he intention of their own personal gain not caring about the work needed to result in such items or the feelings of other people.
Protect your life, and your life will be happy, dont protect your life and your life wont be.
As i said to someone else.
I truely hope you never get killed protecting your property, i would hate to think what it would do to your family.
it seems like you have been brought up in a very loving family.
well what would you do in a scenario such as: two guys break into your house with firearms you have a handgun. they are going towards your parents room. would you still flee? or would you shoot them, or atleast mame them?
Nah, they don't deserve to live. If you would rather live that way great. I am doing the tax payer a favor by giving out my personal death penalty. Oh, and I'm sure there will be 1 less person on welfare and food stamps too. See, I can't go wrong...
If somebody doesn't want to die, they shouldn't be an ass. <-- note the period
Being friendly with the neighbours and having locks has always worked for me.
Correct me if im wrong, but america does have a higher crime rate per capita that Australia, even with all its deterences from gun laws ?
I suspect that our higher per capita crime rate has to do with the kinds of neighborhoods that the crimes are coming out of. While suburbs like the one that I live in might have fairely low crimerates comperable to australia, if you go to low income housing or apartment complexes, many of them are absolutely full of the kind of filth that rob houses.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Being friendly with the neighbours and having locks has always worked for me.
Correct me if im wrong, but america does have a higher crime rate per capita that Australia, even with all its deterences from gun laws ?
I suspect that our higher per capita crime rate has to do with the kinds of neighborhoods that the crimes are coming out of. While suburbs like the one that I live in might have fairely low crimerates comperable to australia, if you go to low income housing or apartment complexes, many of them are absolutely full of the kind of filth that rob houses.
I like people who say "but I live in a nice nieghborhood". lol, there's nothing to steal in the ghetto, your nice nieghborhood is the target.
Being friendly with the neighbours and having locks has always worked for me.
Correct me if im wrong, but america does have a higher crime rate per capita that Australia, even with all its deterences from gun laws ?
I suspect that our higher per capita crime rate has to do with the kinds of neighborhoods that the crimes are coming out of. While suburbs like the one that I live in might have fairely low crimerates comperable to australia, if you go to low income housing or apartment complexes, many of them are absolutely full of the kind of filth that rob houses.
I like people who say "but I live in a nice nieghborhood". lol, there's nothing to steal in the ghetto, your nice nieghborhood is the target.
Crime does not necessarily have to = stealing. Every day there are half a dozen domestic dispute calls in a particular ghetto of a city called Vallejo in which my sister is a police dispatcher. These domestic disputes can range from shouting matches, to fist fights...though it escalates from there and it's no longer considered mere "domestic disturbance"Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Um ok, but I was talking about stealing.
And I know plenty about crime, Criminal Justice was my first College Degree. I'm also P.O.S.T cert. in CA.
If you shoot you shoot center mass. If youare defending your life and feel it necessay to use deadly force use it! If not use something else. Wounding or maming will lead to more law suits (belive it or not) of the civil kind. If the subject can not speak, it is going to be a onesided story. Just remember when you pull a gun on someone you BETTER be ready to use it, or they might take it from you and use it on you.
I like that new law and I wish more states would sign similar ones.
I shoot for the curve... anything above that is gravy.
Protect your life, and your life will be happy, dont protect your life and your life wont be.
As i said to someone else.
I truely hope you never get killed protecting your property, i would hate to think what it would do to your family.
it seems like you have been brought up in a very loving family.
well what would you do in a scenario such as: two guys break into your house with firearms you have a handgun. they are going towards your parents room. would you still flee? or would you shoot them, or atleast mame them? Shoot them, shoot them to kill them.
No doubt at all.
Now woud you like to go through every other possibie scenario, or are you just going to assume that all scenarios are correct based on this one scenario.
Here one for you, you see a guy jumping out your window with your DVD player, he has a gun in his pocket, what do you do, shoot him in the back to stop him leeching off you ? you better hope you hit him otherwise he's shooting back, because of the example given above.
What about someone who is mentally challenged, who mistakes your home for his, and starts going nuts at the intruders, do you shoot the crazy man ? Does the crazy man shoot you because of this law ?
We are walking a fine line, and all im saying is that, protecting property should be the very BOTTOM of your list, after making sure your family is safe
and, safe == armed
if i caught someone running away with something of mine and he could shoot me and i had a firearm also. my actions would be to shoot him in one of his legs and i would probably be in some sort of cover as he had his back to me and when he looked around to see who shot him he would not see me or if he did see me and try to pull his gun out ( if it didnt hit the artery which would be a somewhat fatal wound) i would be forced to shoot him again. though not many people would agree with such actions but i see them best fit as he had a gun and someday could kill multiple people while trying to rob something like a convenience store.
if the person were mentally challenged and tried to get into my house by force i would not know their mental state but they would most likely be unarmed and i could possibley detter them or grapple them after i have called the police. both situations are mostly described in a perfect enviroment but are a general idea of what i would do.
My point is, a bullet in your head will not be benficial for you getting through life.
Protect your life, and your life will be happy, dont protect your life and your life wont be.
As i said to someone else.
I truely hope you never get killed protecting your property, i would hate to think what it would do to your family.
it seems like you have been brought up in a very loving family.
well what would you do in a scenario such as: two guys break into your house with firearms you have a handgun. they are going towards your parents room. would you still flee? or would you shoot them, or atleast mame them?
Shoot them, shoot them to kill them.
No doubt at all.
Now woud you like to go through every other possibie scenario, or are you just going to assume that all scenarios are correct based on this one scenario.
Here one for you, you see a guy jumping out your window with your DVD player, he has a gun in his pocket, what do you do, shoot him in the back to stop him leeching off you ? you better hope you hit him otherwise he's shooting back, because of the example given above.
What about someone who is mentally challenged, who mistakes your home for his, and starts going nuts at the intruders, do you shoot the crazy man ? Does the crazy man shoot you because of this law ?
We are walking a fine line, and all im saying is that, protecting property should be the very BOTTOM of your list, after making sure your family is safe
and, safe == armed
if i caught someone running away with something of mine and he could shoot me and i had a firearm also. my actions would be to shoot him in one of his legs and i would probably be in some sort of cover as he had his back to me and when he looked around to see who shot him he would not see me or if he did see me and try to pull his gun out ( if it didnt hit the artery which would be a somewhat fatal wound) i would be forced to shoot him again. though not many people would agree with such actions but i see them best fit as he had a gun and someday could kill multiple people while trying to rob something like a convenience store.
if the person were mentally challenged and tried to get into my house by force i would not know their mental state but they would most likely be unarmed and i could possibley detter them or grapple them after i have called the police. both situations are mostly described in a perfect enviroment but are a general idea of what i would do.
You would end up in prison and/or sued by the criminal. Kill him. Then say in the Mortal Kombat voice, "Fatality".
My point is, a bullet in your head will not be benficial for you getting through life.
Protect your life, and your life will be happy, dont protect your life and your life wont be.
As i said to someone else.
I truely hope you never get killed protecting your property, i would hate to think what it would do to your family.
it seems like you have been brought up in a very loving family.
well what would you do in a scenario such as: two guys break into your house with firearms you have a handgun. they are going towards your parents room. would you still flee? or would you shoot them, or atleast mame them?
Shoot them, shoot them to kill them.
No doubt at all.
Now woud you like to go through every other possibie scenario, or are you just going to assume that all scenarios are correct based on this one scenario.
Here one for you, you see a guy jumping out your window with your DVD player, he has a gun in his pocket, what do you do, shoot him in the back to stop him leeching off you ? you better hope you hit him otherwise he's shooting back, because of the example given above.
What about someone who is mentally challenged, who mistakes your home for his, and starts going nuts at the intruders, do you shoot the crazy man ? Does the crazy man shoot you because of this law ?
We are walking a fine line, and all im saying is that, protecting property should be the very BOTTOM of your list, after making sure your family is safe
and, safe == armed
if i caught someone running away with something of mine and he could shoot me and i had a firearm also. my actions would be to shoot him in one of his legs and i would probably be in some sort of cover as he had his back to me and when he looked around to see who shot him he would not see me or if he did see me and try to pull his gun out ( if it didnt hit the artery which would be a somewhat fatal wound) i would be forced to shoot him again. though not many people would agree with such actions but i see them best fit as he had a gun and someday could kill multiple people while trying to rob something like a convenience store.
if the person were mentally challenged and tried to get into my house by force i would not know their mental state but they would most likely be unarmed and i could possibley detter them or grapple them after i have called the police. both situations are mostly described in a perfect enviroment but are a general idea of what i would do.
You would end up in prison and/or sued by the criminal. Kill him. Then say in the Mortal Kombat voice, "Fatality".
i would do whats right. i would make sure any criminals efforts are futile. though your take on this is rather chidlish.
i don't get you man, if someone breaks in my house they're getting their freaking head blown off. its thinking like this that is ruining our world. you ever think people won't break into homes rape mothers and little children, steal tv's, credit cards, identities if they know there's somoene inside with a gun who's not afraid to use it. the government sticks their nose to far into people's business, its sad we have to even makes laws like this, something like this should be a given but we have left winger hippie cry baby cowards that want to run our country and our lives and turn it into the never neverland ranch.
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I think the arguement for protecting property is misplaced in this thread. The law passed is to protect the person, not the person's property. I can't think of a state that will allow the use of deadly for to protect personal property.
If you shoot some one that is leaving your house with your property (DVD player,ect..) you will be in the wrong everytime and will more than likly be charged with aggravated assault. Shooting a fleeing individual is a tough one to justify even for cops!
I shoot for the curve... anything above that is gravy.
Call me what you want, stand in my house, we'll see what's up.
I'm just saying, it is a fact that criminals sue and win if they were injured while commiting a crime.
I'm not telling you what to do. It was a suggestion.
If you let people run over you they will continue to run over you. And all the while laugh at you for being a sucker. I just, truely, hope you do not get killed protecting your property, that would be a tragedy.
If your family had their choice, im sure they would chooce loosing every posession in their house, every day of the week, than loose a brother/son/parter/father.
I believe in defending yourself when yourself needs to be defended, but to put yourself in a dangerous situation when there is obviously so many better options (not just for you but for everyone who knows you) is more like Rambo than protection.
If your families lives are in danger while being in the house, why would you leave them in the house, why wouldnt you try to get them out of the danger as soon as possible. Why would you want to put your family in an even more dangerous situation of cross-fire ? I'm not trying to sound like I'm just trying to sound tough or whatever. But honestly, I would rather die defending the sanctity of my home than let some punk feel like he can come into my castle and have his way with it. It's a matter of principle. If I do die defending my home and this punk gets away, I bet he's going to think twice before he tries to hurt my neighbor in the same way. It's about good people coming together and defending our way of life. Not about running away in the face of danger.
I can see where you're coming from. But at the same time I just could not bring myself to let some punk run over me like that. If we all did that, then who would rule the planet?