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General: MMOMarket.net Offers User Ratings

MMOMarket.net offers players the chance to rate buyers and sellers of items. Think of Ebay ratings, only you are selling virtual goods. This is certainly an interesting addition to the ever growing secondary market.

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  • MrbloodworthMrbloodworth Member Posts: 5,615
    what happend to mmorpg.com not promoting the 3ed party market?

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  • shavashava Member UncommonPosts: 324
    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

    what happend to mmorpg.com not promoting the 3ed party market?
    what he said...





    Shava
  • StoneysilencStoneysilenc Member Posts: 369
    Ya, most games out there don't allow this so why is MMORPG promoting it?

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  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912

    Nothing surprises me here, anymore.

  • SamuraiswordSamuraisword Member Posts: 2,111
    Tentonhammer doesn't promote goldselling and seems to do just fine without those advertisements, why does this site?

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  • DrenethDreneth Member Posts: 697

    Wow... I can't believe they would advertise for a site that violates most MMORPG's EULA's.  Unbelievable.  I wonder how much money MMORPG.com received for that?  One of those "too good to refuse" kind of deals?

    I remember when MMO's and their communities were all about the game.  It seems that as time moves forward, more and more sleeze balls get mixed in the pot and we're left with this kind of rediculousness.

    Want to save the farmers?  Get a car that runs on bio-diesel.  Don't support the bloodsuckers that ruin MMO's.

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  • CergorachCergorach Member UncommonPosts: 35
    Folks, this is news, you might not like it, but it is news and not a promotion. This is posted in the news section, so pretty appropriate in my book. The press release was reposted, nothing wrong with that imho...



    As a side note, i find it bad manners to start questioning the integrity and morals of your host in his own home (ie. MMORPG.com), especially accusations of 'bribery'...



    ps. I am not a 'farmer', i'm not affiliated with this site (or the one mentioned in the news article), nor do i buy 'farmed' articles...
  • DrenethDreneth Member Posts: 697

    This is not news, this is an advertisement in the guise of news.

    Who gives a pig's fart if a plat-farm stand is open for business or not except a plat-farmer, the plat-farm stand, and the lazy plat buyer?  And if plat farming is a violation of the EULA for most of the games on MMORPG.com's game list, not to mention a severe frustraion for MANY players, why in the name of all that is the color purple would they post "news" about it??  The whole article reads like an advertisement anyway, so even if they were attempting to post "news", it sure smells like something else. 

    I would much rather read about game publishers going after plat farm-stands and the farmers that sell them their currency/items/accounts.  It would be grand if they would go after the players who buy from them too.  THAT would be newsworthy.

    [ edit ] - Companies use press releases as advertising all the time.  The company I work for does it rather often, and you don't see them getting posted anywhere but on our website... or where we pay it to end up.  It's a marketing scheme.

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  • boingedboinged Member UncommonPosts: 161

    How many pieces of silver (virtual or otherwise) did this 'news item' bring in? What price your soul mmorpg.com? WHAT PRICE YOUR SOUL!?

    Ah nothing better than flaming this site, I love it really 

  • DrenethDreneth Member Posts: 697
    Originally posted by boinged


    How many pieces of silver (virtual or otherwise) did this 'news item' bring in? What price your soul mmorpg.com? WHAT PRICE YOUR SOUL!?
    Ah nothing better than flaming this site, I love it really 
    LOL - You gave me a good chuckle there. 



    The thing of it is, when a site like MMORPG.com starts posting "press releases" for companies that do more harm then good for the industry... and the players... one must begin to wonder if said site is reputable.  It would seem to me, that for MMORPG.com to post a press release for a company whose business model violates the EULA of most of the games showcased on MMORPG.com seems to me as a conflict of interest... ethically if not legally.  Ever growing secondary market my arse... more like ever growing organized crime.  (over the top, I know, I know... )



    MAN do I wish gaming was about gaming again. 

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  • MithrandixMithrandix Member Posts: 76
    Yeah great, post stuff that's against almost all EULAS

    "It's no good coming to our game if you are trying to grow weed, It's no good coming to our game if you want to make pants. It's only worth coming to our game if you want to burn things to the ground."
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  • DhaemanDhaeman Member Posts: 531
    Looks like interesting enough news to me. I can understand that this may be viewed as a promotion for MMOMarket that could give it an advantage over sites like IGE but in no way do I believe it's promoting gold selling. The players that want to be involved with it will find their medium and the players that don't will flame it (as is happening here). But the bottom line is that mmorpg.com, who posts news items related to all things MMORPG, is providing us with tidbits about what's going on in the marketplace today. This is going on. It's not hugely important news but it's news enough for some...
  • DrenethDreneth Member Posts: 697
    Originally posted by Dhaeman

    Looks like interesting enough news to me. I can understand that this may be viewed as a promotion for MMOMarket that could give it an advantage over sites like IGE but in no way do I believe it's promoting gold selling. The players that want to be involved with it will find their medium and the players that don't will flame it (as is happening here). But the bottom line is that mmorpg.com, who posts news items related to all things MMORPG, is providing us with tidbits about what's going on in the marketplace today. This is going on. It's not hugely important news but it's news enough for some...
    Tidbits of what is going on in the marketplace today??  So if I run a retail news website, should I promote black market affiliates?  Come on... seriously now.



    IGE and sites like it are nothing more than shopping outlets for people who are too lazy or stupid to do the work themselves, and fences for people who ruin good games with farming.  There is no benefit to such a "secondary market" except to those who are too selfish to see how such behavior damages the quality of experience for everyone else.



    It's against the EULA in so many games for a damned good reason, and it is both disgusting and pathetic to see a site such as MMORPG.com posting anything that promotes it.

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  • DragonS5DragonS5 Member Posts: 7
    Didn't pay a dime, and while I do not condone the buying/selling of items and gold against a games EULA the fact is that it happens.



    This site is not 100% dedicated to just that, so please look beyond that usage. The site is open and allows for recruiting, personal ads and pretty much anything else your heart desires, heck you could post an ad urging users to not buy/sell virtual items if you wanted.
  • DrenethDreneth Member Posts: 697
    Originally posted by DragonS5

    Didn't pay a dime, and while I do not condone the buying/selling of items and gold against a games EULA the fact is that it happens.



    This site is not 100% dedicated to just that, so please look beyond that usage. The site is open and allows for recruiting, personal ads and pretty much anything else your heart desires, heck you could post an ad urging users to not buy/sell virtual items if you wanted.
    Consider my posts to this thread my advertisement against using real currency to purchase items or coin in games, thus reducing the quality of experience for other players by manipulating the in-game economy and directly effecting game play through spawn camping and plat/gold farming. 



    I understand it happens.  But I would rather state my opposition for it when the subject comes up.  Especially when a site like this takes liberties with their ethics.



    It might not seem like a big deal to some... but sites who broker the deals between farmers and the losers that buy from them cause a rather large ripple in the pond.  It's unfortunate.

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  • DragonS5DragonS5 Member Posts: 7
    Consider my posts to this thread my advertisement against using real currency to purchase items or coin in games, thus reducing the quality of experience for other players by manipulating the in-game economy and directly effecting game play through spawn camping and plat/gold farming. 



    I understand it happens.  But I would rather state my opposition for it when the subject comes up.  Especially when a site like this takes liberties with their ethics.



    It might not seem like a big deal to some... but sites who broker the deals between farmers and the losers that buy from them cause a rather large ripple in the pond.  It's unfortunate.
    first off it is against our rules to trade items against the publishers EULA (see Terms),



    Secondly the site does not broker any sort of deals, only offers an open marketplace, what gamers do with it is quite frankly up to them. Please at least look over the site and what it has to offer before attacking it.



    In fact out of all current ads only a few are for any sort of virtual items. The rest are for games, websites, news etc....
  • DhaemanDhaeman Member Posts: 531
    I always think it's a rather poor argument to stereotype all gold buyers are "lazy" losers. Most of the time it is people with real jobs that don't want to get left behind in the grindfest that is the MMORPG. They want to experience everything the game has to offer and honestly, these sites make that a possibility.



    You want to say it ruins the economy because of farmers inflating the market then use that. It's really the only one with merit. Even then, two sides can back and forth on it. But regardless of the opinions on both sides, secondary markets behind MMOs are part of the MMO community. We shouldn't just cut out news based on it's popularity. We occasionally even see news for DnL and Mourning and I consider those far worse atrocities!
  • DrenethDreneth Member Posts: 697
    Originally posted by DragonS5



    first off it is against our rules to trade items against the publishers EULA (see Terms),



    Secondly the site does not broker any sort of deals, only offers an open marketplace, what gamers do with it is quite frankly up to them. Please at least look over the site and what it has to offer before attacking it.



    In fact out of all current ads only a few are for any sort of virtual items. The rest are for games, websites, news etc....
    Here's a quote from the original "news" bit to remind you...



    "Last year a website was launched that changed the way gamers bought sold and traded their MMORPG items and accounts. The website, MMO Market, was heralded by some as the next step for an embattled market."



    So whether or not the site was intended to be used for buying and selling virtual items...  that's how it has been advertised.  Whether or not the site facilitates or provides a venue for farm-stand transactions is immaterial to me, as there is little difference.  It is my firm belief, that such behavior damages the quality of a game and can seriously impact playability for others.  To allow such transactions to be advertised on a site is no different than processing the transaction in my book.

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  • DrenethDreneth Member Posts: 697
    Originally posted by Dhaeman

    I always think it's a rather poor argument to stereotype all gold buyers are "lazy" losers. Most of the time it is people with real jobs that don't want to get left behind in the grindfest that is the MMORPG. They want to experience everything the game has to offer and honestly, these sites make that a possibility.



    You want to say it ruins the economy because of farmers inflating the market then use that. It's really the only one with merit. Even then, two sides can back and forth on it. But regardless of the opinions on both sides, secondary markets behind MMOs are part of the MMO community. We shouldn't just cut out news based on it's popularity. We occasionally even see news for DnL and Mourning and I consider those far worse atrocities!
    I don't see it as a poor argument at all Dhaeman.  I have a real job, in fact, I have had a real job throughout all of my MMO gaming experience.  And there are various types of gamers in every game to interact with, so finding someone to level with isn't always that hard.  Is it easier to buy your way through a game?  Sure it is.  But what the hell is the point?



    As for the secondary market being part of the community...  I disagree.  They are taking advantage of the community, and anyone who is willing to give their money to a farm-stand, is no better than the farmer themselves.  Hell... they might even be worse.



    I wish... since MMO publishers hold the rights for all their content... that some of them would go after plat-stands and get them shut down.  It would give me immense pleasure to play a game without ever seeing a farmer... or a high level character being played by someone who purchased it on a website.

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  • DragonS5DragonS5 Member Posts: 7
    Well Dreneth not everyone is going to like the site, and not everyone is going to hate it.



    You have your opinion, ideas and feelings and you are entitled to them. On the other hand there will be users who find it easy to post an ad for a new recruit and those who will use the site to find a mate.



    You may not always agree with what they do, but it is there for use. As of this point it seems that our users are mostly independent website and game owners and I am happy they are making use of the classifieds.



    I hope that you may find it useful, for whatever your needs are.



    And for the record.... i hate farmers too.
  • BzrkBzrk Member Posts: 163
    Oh c'mon. This is just a gold-selling-ebay site. mmorpg.com didn't support these things right....



    This shouldn't even be news and should be ignored completely by everyone that plays mmo's. If you want to make money, sell your game on e-bay, not a sword in this crap.



    Please delete this "news" item mmorpg. This shouldn't be your cup of tea.
  • RedwoodSapRedwoodSap Member Posts: 1,235
    This isn't news, it's blatent advertising. It's rather insulting to disguise it this way, apparently the members of this site are thought of as being simple.

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  • WisebutCruelWisebutCruel Member Posts: 1,089

    The fact that the "Read more here" link takes you directly to the auction listing, not an article on auction listings, makes it entirely logical to call it advertising, not news.

    From the RoC: In-Game Item Transfers
    MMORPG.com cannot - for legal reasons - play host to transfers on in-game items, currency or any other transfers. This includes swaps for money or equivalent items.

    By posting a direct link to a game character/item auction site, does that not have mmorpg.com playing host, even if indirectly?

  • GFullsGFulls Member Posts: 478

     

    Dear Readers,

     

    The posting of this article yesterday was a mistake. As you all know, we here at MMORPG.com do not support the secondary market sale of items. Sadly the link sent players to an auction, not a news item. I simply viewed this press release as a piece of news and not as a way to promote anything. Because it has been taken in that context, the item has been removed from our site. I apologize for running a news item that was questionable and concerns a topic that we all feel is a black mark on the MMO industry.

    Feel free to continue the thread and discuss this issue; however the news story itself has been removed from MMORPG.com for good.

     

    Regards,

     

    Garrett Fuller

    News Editor

  • freako969freako969 Member Posts: 105
    It did look like you were supporting the secondary market, but no harm done and it was a terrible site anyways :-P
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