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O good EvE Online is the best mmorpg out there no xp and lvl grinding.
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Some one gotta "hammer" in some of the posters in this forum that EvE is a totaly different game then example wow or daoc or eqII. They are platant coming and comment true the eyes of other mmorpg and there "old XP & lvl system " O the constant "weird talk about - I never going to catch up with the older players, just prove the point they have not understand the basic in EvE Online. Im afraid they never will understand. Some other comments " O I never going to be able to run a Titan "just prove they havent grasped the basics of eve gameplay.
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I been playing "huge amount of mmorpg's" and EvE dont have the Xp grinding at all! 
played : daoc,enb,swg,eqII,lineageII,GW,AA,neocron,ryzom,eve, and beta testing 20 titles some: GE,Lotr,WH and more.
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there is a Eve grind, a grind to get ISK, and a grind to get skills, you gotta log in alot to constantly change skills, especially when you first start, that is a definitive grind, sitting around mining, almost anything in this game is a grind....
remember, you get skill points in real time, so you gotta constantly be there to change the skills or they just sit there not gaining...you cannot queue skills because CCP is incompetent and cannot figure out how that would possibly work...
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The game is dead not, this game is good we make it and Romania Tv give it 5 goat heads, this is good rating for game.
Are there opportunities to grind in EVE? Yes, most definitely.
Is there a requirement to grind in EVE to accomplish your goals? No, absolutely not!
In this thread the requirement to login to change skills in training has been equated to a grind in EVE. That made me LOL 'til I was in pain! How does logging into the game once a day or once a week (frequency of skill changes depends on the skill) equate in any way to the requirement to killing a few hundred orcs to gain a level or complete a quest? Especially since, if you are playing the game anyway (games are to be played, no?) you will be logged in anyway.
In Eve, if you want to mine or run missions repeatedly to gain ISK, you can, but it is not required, there are other ways of making ISK. I will be honest, I hate to grind! I mean, really hate it! In EQ or Lineage or any other MMO I have played I would be forced to, like it or not. In EVE, I am not forced to, so I don't!
In EVE I log in to the game, not to grind out yet another level, or complete the killing of orcs to finish a quest, I log in to have fun, to do what I want to do, the game is wide open, what I do with it is up to me, or up to you.
Like grinding? Then go for it, just like any other game, EVE has grinding. What EVE lacks though is a requirement to grind to accomplish your goals.
Is there a requirement to grind in EVE to accomplish your goals? No, absolutely not!
Well that's not exactly true. With out ISK (money) you can not do anything. Inital Ammo take's isk, buying a ship, outfitting it takes isk, buying a skill to use the ship and equipment takes isk. So unless someone (or your alt) provides you with the isk you must grind .
In this thread the requirement to login to change skills in training has been equated to a grind in EVE. That made me LOL 'til I was in pain! How does logging into the game once a day or once a week (frequency of skill changes depends on the skill) equate in any way to the requirement to killing a few hundred orcs to gain a level or complete a quest? Especially since, if you are playing the game anyway (games are to be played, no?) you will be logged in anyway.
Again, this is glossing over the grind and time sink. Example: say you want a destroyer. Well to fly one you need to buy the skill book, the destroyer and the equipment. The first thing you have to do is get you prereq frig skill up before you can train destroyer. As you say based on skill and SP and your rolled stats you are stuck logging on to start the skill and could have 1 hour or 4 then 4 ot 8 for the next skill lvl only to have to set the destroyer training which could take 30 min to an hour and 30 and thats to lvl 1 to lvl 2 may take 1 hour to 3. The bottom line is that just managing the skill times becomes a job. And for longer skills you may be forced to log onto EVE just to change a skill training because the current skill session would end in 2 hours but you won't be back to after work so you set a 9 hour or longer skill training.
In Eve, if you want to mine or run missions repeatedly to gain ISK, you can, but it is not required, there are other ways of making ISK. I will be honest, I hate to grind! I mean, really hate it! In EQ or Lineage or any other MMO I have played I would be forced to, like it or not. In EVE, I am not forced to, so I don't!
Ok, again there are ways of making isk but they are limited to: Sales, Bounties and the off chance of fees. If you mine or mfg your isk comes from sales but you had to grind to get the items. Yes even the Prat sitting at a gate griefing noobs and haulers is grinding. Ratting for bounties is grinding and even the Prat demanding a payment to allow a player to live is grinding. You may think you are not grinding but you have to remember that griding is not just the boring stuff but the fun stuff as well.
Like grinding? Then go for it, just like any other game, EVE has grinding. What EVE lacks though is a requirement to grind to accomplish your goals.
Absolutly untrue. EVE is actually worse because it not only forces you to grind but unlike any other game it does not reward you for grinding. CCP has created the perfict time sink game because you have to pay to improve your avatar. Because they force you or your benfactor to grind without reward you have to pay for the time to train. Thus giving CCP more money than the game would require if it were actually ballanced.
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You are right that in order to buy your initial items like your first frigate, weapon(s), and mods, you will need to grind, there is pretty much no way around that. AFter that, I stand by my assertion that grinding is voluntary.
Also, you are right about skill training. If you are not very good at planning your skill training plan you might have to log in to do nothing more than change a skill, that, or accept the wasted time between skill completion and your next login. Again, after the first few skills, one who is good at planning can come up with a skill training schedule that does not require a bunch of extra logins in order to keep training going. But under no circumstances would I call skill tending grinding. How does logging in to change a skill compare to killing orcs ad infinitem? It doesn't, plain and simple!
I guess you and I have different ideas of what constitutes grind. I think my definition is pretty standard, yours seems to include a lot of things that could be avoided if you would just plan a little better.
actually EVEmon is a great little tool for planning your skills and all your short skills should be trained while playing leaving the long skills for overnight or weekends.
Actually I am in favor of a 1 skill que (active account) because at some point you will get all your skills to lvl3 and the LVL4 skills can take some time from days to weeks to train just never seem to end on a time you would be playing if you work.
Also I am not against grinding, anyone that has played a MOG knows there has to be a grind. Heck even FPS mogs like battlefield 2 takes grinding to unlock the weapons. I actually like that MOGs have grind. It took me a long weekend (off on vacation) doing nothing but sniping to gind my way to unlock the nice sniper rifle that lets me shoot the air craft pilots. Now, I had a heck of a lot of fun doing it and my main point is that Grind is often used in a negitive way when it's not. Look at it this way, if you want to be a carpenter in real life you can start by hammering nails into wood but it will take time and experience to become good at it. Time+experience=grind.
Ratting in eve takes time and experence but unlike other games you are not rewarded for this investment.
Now while this is both bad and good because it doe's give the casual gamer the ability to "lvl" at the same rate as the powergamer. However what the timed skill system does is allow someone to not actually have to play to "lvl" and it forces a real world time length on "lvling"
Just answer this question honestly and see if you can see the problem :
If a player did nothing in EVE but set trainings and use RLM (GTC) to buy the skills could they eventally fly a dread or even titan with out undocking?
The answer is yes, and thats the problem. Because you are not rewarded for your grind you will not be able to fly anything before a person that did nothing but use RL money to pay for the same stuff you grinded (worked, made or stole) for.
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You havent realy read my post hu ?
played : daoc,enb,swg,eqII,lineageII,GW,AA,neocron,ryzom,eve, and beta testing 20 titles some: GE,Lotr,WH and more.
Mining is a timesink?
no thats hardcore roleplaying All I hear " I gotta hit max level ^^ " from those who play for example EverQuest,Swg*.
( *just to not bang on wow now )
EvE Online allows the player to play the game ::) EvE Online dont have any end
constantly login in to change skill ? I currently training some skill who are over 69 days left.
O thats right I got more then one account and have a new char who can pvp as good as my " oldie who got over 40m SP"
O in EvE I can group togheter with new commers without stress "I gotta exp " They dont get any exp becouse Im so old"
On contra here I can help newcommer with both hauling and mining help I also hire new commers and help them progress
in eve while in group with them in for example " wow as I play wow also
(wife like it 
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all I can do is give them some gold and maybe once on a while wave with my hammer to kill a big monster.
played : daoc,enb,swg,eqII,lineageII,GW,AA,neocron,ryzom,eve, and beta testing 20 titles some: GE,Lotr,WH and more.
I have to agree that EVE has very little to no grind for me because I just simply don't do the things that I don't enjoy, and i can still achieve my goals. This is something that i have not found in many other games, because of the limited amount of options to aquire assets or gear. To pick on WoW for instance, the Bind on Pick up gear that you get from raids can only be aquired from doing those raids regardless of whether you like to do raids. In EVE if i want a Caldari Navy Raven, I can run missions for isk to buy it, run missions for LP to get it off of a LP offer, mine and sell mins to buy it, Build and sell stuff to buy it, trade NPC or Player goods to buy it.... and the list would go on till I just run out of things to think of. So in EVE you should have very little grinding as you should be doing something you enjoy to meet your objectives.
And yes, lejohn you can sit in station sell GTCs for isk to get the skills and dreadnought, but I would have to ask why bother? First of all dreadnoughts are not everyday used ships, and with the lack of playing the game the chances of losing the dread would be through the roof. I keep coming back to the thought that if someone doesn't like the game so much that they would do something like that, then they should more and likely not bother playing the game as they won't like the game once they get thier dread.
A buys gtc, sells gtc too B for isk
rinse repeat...why?
well A may not have time to play or prefferd to make real $$ to a level that 1 hour of their time gets them a few weeks worth of playtime gathered isk..
Is it fair to others, no, but as many say, it is a game, A buying isk via gtc sells cost nobody anything...it isn't fair, but since when is ccp about being fair to all players?
some "grind" others buy/cheat/exploit their way through, the final choice is yours as to how you play the game, and it is up to ccp to either stop this/that or not too (and your choice to subscribe or not too)
I think the real problems arise when some players lose perspective, and allow an addiction to control their choices instead of morals.
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
Yes LeJohn, you're right. I could sit in station and sell GTCs and eventually have the skill to fly any ship in the game without ever undocking. But as has been asked, what 's the point? Why pay a bunch of money for GTCs and subscriptions if I'm not going to log in and play? Also, if I log in and play while I am training skills I recieve something that no amount of money can buy, the experience flying the ships and learning the game, the politics, the markets, (etc, the list goes on) so when I get to my final goal, my dream ship, I will have the experience to use it and to interact effectively in the game. So buying GTCs makes no sense whatsoever to me.
It is also interesting to note that you can do the same in EQ2, or Lineage 2 (or WoW) if you want to. You can pay a service to power level your character, but the result is the same, you end with a powerful character that you have no clue how to play effectively.
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Seriously, you keep throwing up these nonsense arguments, it seems almost as if you are grasping at straws trying to belittle EVE, one would almost believe you don't like the game or something.
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I do think you lost the "red thread" abit, the post are about people coming into EvE and doing there linjal XP grind values
in eve online, O and have no insight in the game "eve online" EvE aint about hit max lvl and drive a Titan next week. It's about playing the game not hit the end .
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Actualy I do play EVE and have for a long time, what I have a problem with is people giving out misleading information.
What EVE does not need are players coming in because some fanboi looking through rose colored glasses painted such a picture that EVE is the best thing since Viagra and if the new people play it will make them better looking, funny, smarter and give them more chances to use their viagra.
What this leads to are players that come in expecting the world that the fanbois painted are leave becuse it's not but they don't just leave they leave loathing EVE and go out spreading their distaste. This is because they were lied to.
What EVE needs are players that are told the truth, EVE in not for everyone. at some point in time it's will kick you in the nutts and rob you blind it will strip your manhood and leave you whimpeing on the pavement BUT if you can tolerate all this and more then you will have the time of your life.
See these players are not coming into EVE with false pretenses, such as there is no grinding and there is real PVP, so they will stick around. These are the people we need in EVE, because they know it will be a battle from now on but are willing to try. Think about this for a second, if you wanted to tell your friend about EVE would you start by:
1. EVE is the greatest game in the world, there no grining, plenty of PVP, and no lvling!
2. I'm not sure EVE's your type of game, it dangerious as you can loose everything you own, it can be hard work and something boring and it will take real time before you fly the bigger ships but at the end of the day all your blood sweat and tears will be worth it.
If they were a real friend you would go with 2.
Making EVE sound better than it really is does not help EVE, but telling it exactly as it is does, because of the player base you will gain.
An so it begins
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