For those of you who dislike Vanguard.

VicodinTaco · February 2007

I mean, WTF. I've been scanning these boards on occasion and all I see is...

"Vanguard is a failure - It'll be dead in a year - Worst launch ever."

But then it's followed up by stuff like, "Just wait for Age of Conan"

Do you people realize just how far outside the lines a comment like that is?

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setView/overview/gameID/191

AoC compares to at best Auto Assault. I know that's going to piss off a lot of 16 year olds but it's the truth. When AoC is relesed it's going to have to wait untill Christmas to see any sales because your allowance isn't big enough to buy it at release.

Vanguard isn't the worst thing ever created. It'll be around for awhile because there's a lot of adults that enjoy stuff like this. Why does the realease of this game strike such a personal chord with some of you?

It's almost like many of you are wholeheartedly offended by it's exsistence, such as it had stolen your girlfriend or humiliated you in gym class.

What's the deal?

JonMichael · February 2007

It's not just Vanguard it's happening to... it's happening to *many* games on here.

Your post shows the exact problem here. Instead of people just coming on and commenting/discussing the game they are currently playing, they also have to put down another game at the same time.

Lanmoragon · February 2007

Im a fan of Vanguard and enjoying it alot, but how is AoC comparable to Auto Assault, at best? I dont get it...

Aeronis · February 2007

Ya, a lot of doomsayers and flamers on these boards.

Vanguard is doing good and will get better.

Gorror · February 2007

Umm. Its more like the build up to VSoH has been incredible, and we've been salivating at the thought of it. Unfortunatly what we seem to have been given looks very much like its still in Beta. This game has a month to win me over, I've bought the game and I'm going to do my best to get my head around it. That however seems to be its problem, at the moment it seems to be more a case of figuring out the thopught processes of the designers rather that being able to sit down, play, and enjoy the game.

One thing though, I keep seeing people saying how good the sound is, I must really be missing something here, because to me sound in VSoH seems really weak.

dodsfall · February 2007

The jury is still out for me. I've played Vanguard for only a few hours so far. There are definitely performance and polish issues with the game, but I'm finding a lot of the gameplay is unique and fresh. If the developers follow through and keep adding the finishing touches I think it will hold my interest for a while. If they sit back, change nothing and just collect the money they receive from the launch I will move on.

Techleo · February 2007

The sounds awesome on my end. I think what is happening is some sound cards aren't rendering the sound in phased channels.

I've heard samples where all of the voices were garbled or to many at once. Meanwhile mine is timed correctly and is beautiful.

The games got a looooong was to go before Id accept it as finished. Sort of like SWG was before its prime and then fall...

With that note I cant help but be thankful SOE isnt directly running this game. Otherwise Id be scared.

Rattrap · February 2007

Originally posted by loeslein

It'll be around for awhile because there's a lot of adults that enjoy stuff like this.

Sorry to burst your boubble.

But most adults can not afford to play such hugely timesink mechanic based games.

Adults have jobs, families....

So actually Vanguard is much more appealing to school teenage type.

matraque · February 2007

Originally posted by Rattrap

Originally posted by loeslein

It'll be around for awhile because there's a lot of adults that enjoy stuff like this.

Sorry to burst your boubble.

But most adults can not afford to play such hugely timesink mechanic based games.

Adults have jobs, families....

So actually Vanguard is much more appealing to school teenage type.

I have a job, a GF and play VG...

Something is wrong with me!!! Help me Hateboys, help me!!!!!!!!!

majoch · February 2007

Been playing it for about 4 days now just running through all the races/classes/starting areas till I find a combination I like ( still looking ). I am having a pretty decent time so far and considering some of the recent new launches Vanguard isn't in that bad of shape and I can only hope it will continue to get more polished, less buggy.

As is, my only real gripe so far is not even in game related. I just think the character creation/select screen is very bland. It could use a little more pizzaz or background look instead of your avatar standing between 4 columns with a static sky blue background and stars floating around. Again thats my opinion , others may like the look.

Now to find a good old folks guild on the EU server and I should be set.

Shadus · February 2007

Originally posted by loeslein
I mean, WTF. I've been scanning these boards on occasion and all I see is...
"Vanguard is a failure - It'll be dead in a year - Worst launch ever."

But then it's followed up by stuff like, "Just wait for Age of Conan"
Do you people realize just how far outside the lines a comment like that is?
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setView/overview/gameID/191
AoC compares to at best Auto Assault. I know that's going to piss off a lot of 16 year olds but it's the truth. When AoC is relesed it's going to have to wait untill Christmas to see any sales because your allowance isn't big enough to buy it at release.

Vanguard isn't the worst thing ever created. It'll be around for awhile because there's a lot of adults that enjoy stuff like this. Why does the realease of this game strike such a personal chord with some of you?
It's almost like many of you are wholeheartedly offended by it's exsistence, such as it had stolen your girlfriend or humiliated you in gym class.
What's the deal?

This post is a real gem. So let me get this straight...

So "kids" tell you that the game you enjoy sucks...
So you "degrade" and call the "kids" children who don't have money except for an allowance.
Then you "bust" on the game many of them are looking forward to, just like they did to VSOH

Didn't you just put your entire post and basically mental state in the same exact cataogry you were railing against? Wtf. If you like vanguard and they don't ... ? If you dislike
AoC and they do ... ? How is doing exactly what they do proving you are more mature, aged, intellectual or anything else?

Lamest. Post. Ever.

PS - I hate you and your little dog.

VicodinTaco · February 2007

Originally posted by Shadus

Originally posted by loeslein

I mean, WTF. I've been scanning these boards on occasion and all I see is...

"Vanguard is a failure - It'll be dead in a year - Worst launch ever."

But then it's followed up by stuff like, "Just wait for Age of Conan"

Do you people realize just how far outside the lines a comment like that is?

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setView/overview/gameID/191

AoC compares to at best Auto Assault. I know that's going to piss off a lot of 16 year olds but it's the truth. When AoC is relesed it's going to have to wait untill Christmas to see any sales because your allowance isn't big enough to buy it at release.

Vanguard isn't the worst thing ever created. It'll be around for awhile because there's a lot of adults that enjoy stuff like this. Why does the realease of this game strike such a personal chord with some of you?

It's almost like many of you are wholeheartedly offended by it's exsistence, such as it had stolen your girlfriend or humiliated you in gym class.

What's the deal?

This post is a real gem. So let me get this straight...

So "kids" tell you that the game you enjoy sucks...

So you "degrade" and call the "kids" children who don't have money except for an allowance.

Then you "bust" on the game many of them are looking forward to, just like they did to VSOH

Didn't you just put your entire post and basically mental state in the same exact cataogry you were railing against? Wtf. If you like vanguard and they don't ... ? If you dislike

AoC and they do ... ? How is doing exactly what they do proving you are more mature, aged, intellectual or anything else?

Lamest. Post. Ever.

PS - I hate you and your little dog.

That's exactly what I did. I told the little kids to behave and leave the grownups alone.

Adults are known to do that quite often.

You wouldn't know because your parents kicked you out of the house for being a flamer. Sorry that life you tried to build for yourself in San Fransico didn't work out and you had to move back to the border of Kentucky.

You wanna keep this up?

Best. Post. Ever.

Thisgamesux · February 2007

Congratulations on making the most hypocritical post ever.

Tiger_Claw · February 2007

I was reading this and had to laugh. Evidently Loeslein, you have no clue of anything to do with AoC. It is an ADULT ONLY game. That means no 16 year old players. And yes, I am looking forward to see how AoC turns out. So in the future, perhaps you should actually do some research about a game you are going to mindlessly bash.

I have played VG and it is not for me at this time. It has some great things going for it, however it is still too full of bugs and just feels rushed. Maybe in a few months I will revisit it. But as always, it is just my opinion based on personal experience.

Somnulus · February 2007

Originally posted by loeslein
I mean, WTF. I've been scanning these boards on occasion and all I see is...
"Vanguard is a failure - It'll be dead in a year - Worst launch ever."

But then it's followed up by stuff like, "Just wait for Age of Conan"
Do you people realize just how far outside the lines a comment like that is?
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setView/overview/gameID/191
AoC compares to at best Auto Assault. I know that's going to piss off a lot of 16 year olds but it's the truth. When AoC is relesed it's going to have to wait untill Christmas to see any sales because your allowance isn't big enough to buy it at release.

What complete tripe. If you enjoy Vanguard, by all means, enjoy it; but don't expect players who have tried it and find it stale and derivative to sing hosannas at the very mention of it.

Your comparison between Age of Conan and Auto Assault is ridiculous; their environments, game mechanics and character development are polar opposites. For the sake of credibility, you could have at least chosen a comparison where the relative game environments and mechanics were at least similar; Guild Wars, for example.

As to your comment about sales, being a forty year old adult with an eighteen year old son and a twenty-one year old daughter, I earn more than enough to purchase AoC immediately following its release. Which is exactly what I intend to do, along, undoubtedly, with many, many other adult customers.

Particularly considering the fact that Funcom is actually trying to get a Mature rating for Age of Conan, rather than shying away from it for fear of hurting sales. I find it refreshing that a company is attempting to make a game where, when someone is stabbed or sliced with a sword, blood actually flows, rather than creating combat that is entirely anti-septic.

Vanguard isn't the worst thing ever created. It'll be around for awhile because there's a lot of adults that enjoy stuff like this. Why does the realease of this game strike such a personal chord with some of you?
It's almost like many of you are wholeheartedly offended by it's exsistence, such as it had stolen your girlfriend or humiliated you in gym class.
What's the deal?

I would imagine many gamers who post negatively about Vanguard are disillusioned by the lack of anything even remotely "next-gen" about the game, the extremely high system overhead and the apparent incompleteness of the game. It failed to meet many potential players' expectations and by all reports from Sigil, it failed to meet their expectations as well, as they readily admit that it was released in an incomplete state.

That single fact, more than any other, is probably what generates the most disgust with Vanguard. It exemplifies what is swiftly becoming a trend among MMO development studios; releasing a game knowing it is incomplete and asking for forgiveness later.

While some players are willing to accept this emerging policy, many are not and they obviously feel a strong need to make their point known; as Vanguard is both the newest major MMO release and obviously meets the criteria as described in the previous paragraph, it is the obvious target for vocal malcontent.

Personally, I think that Vanguard is a serviceable game. It's simply nothing to rave about.

cupertino · February 2007

Its sad when all ppl have to play with is the "age" card, "this is full of kids", "this game only adults can handle", "this game needs no skill a 3 year old could play it". the truth is no 1 knows the age of players, could be some 1 in ya guild/corp/gang who you think is 20'ish but is realy 15.

Happens with WoW more, I think about a year ago the myth was WoW was only played by 3 million 14 year old, then over the course of the year the age has dropped, I think its around 8million 6 year olds now aint it? Im still 26 and loving it... cant we all just get along and play the game we enjoy.

To the OP, by all means show your card but bashing another game while you do it doesnt help you.

ladygator · February 2007

My guild had been looking forward to Vanguard for some time. When the 'housing video' was released we thought for sure this game would be the one.

Then a guildy got into beta and didn't like it.

From what I read in the forums, its a mixed bag. Some like, others don't.

So I will wait. And hopefully, a free trail will come out and I can make the call for myself.

Rumors · February 2007

Originally posted by Tiger_Claw

I was reading this and had to laugh. Evidently Loeslein, you have no clue of anything to do with AoC. It is an ADULT ONLY game. That means no 16 year old players. And yes, I am looking forward to see how AoC turns out. So in the future, perhaps you should actually do some research about a game you are going to mindlessly bash.

Where do you get this information, and how exactly will it be enforced?

Will you have to submit a photocopy of your drivers license to play?

Fingerprints?

Because having an age rating on a box means the under age just get someone else to buy it for them.

VicodinTaco · February 2007

Just trying to bring out the best in people...

It's a flame war thread.

Should be obvious. I don't mind saying that here because most people won't read this far into the thread.

Lukain · February 2007

Vanguard will survive , It only need to grab 1% - 2% of the market share to survive ,

Market share Graph :

http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart7.html

Tiger_Claw · February 2007

Well Rumors, I read that information directly from the AoC website and forums. Go check it out yourself if you doubt it. As for enforcement, it can be illegal for retailers to sell games rated Adult Only/Mature to anyone under the age. Depending on the jurisdiction you live in, it may or may not be enforced. And yes, most all retailers are aware of potential criminal issues and lawsuit happy parents, so they do ask about age. Do you think a retailer wants the negative publicity over selling an inappropriate game to a minor and the legal issues that may come with it? You are right though, if some irresponsible adult wishes to buy it for an under age kid, that will happen as well. I think it is a great move to make a game that does not shy away from the brutality of the Conan world and appeals to a mature audience.

But back to the point... I have nothing against VG as a whole. From playing it in beta and since release, I feel that it is not for me at this time. Ill wait a few months for the bugs and kinks to be worked out a bit more and then try it again. Overall, it has great potential and if it gets some more polish, it could be fantastic. Time will tell.

dodsfall · February 2007

Originally posted by Tiger_Claw

Well Rumors, I read that information directly from the AoC website and forums. Go check it out yourself if you doubt it. As for enforcement, it can be illegal for retailers to sell games rated Adult Only/Mature to anyone under the age. Depending on the jurisdiction you live in, it may or may not be enforced. And yes, most all retailers are aware of potential criminal issues and lawsuit happy parents, so they do ask about age. Do you think a retailer wants the negative publicity over selling an inappropriate game to a minor and the legal issues that may come with it? You are right though, if some irresponsible adult wishes to buy it for an under age kid, that will happen as well. I think it is a great move to make a game that does not shy away from the brutality of the Conan world and appeals to a mature audience.

But back to the point... I have nothing against VG as a whole. From playing it in beta and since release, I feel that it is not for me at this time. Ill wait a few months for the bugs and kinks to be worked out a bit more and then try it again. Overall, it has great potential and if it gets some more polish, it could be fantastic. Time will tell.

Actually, every law passed so far in the US making it illegal to for retailers to sell games rated Adult Only/Mature to anyone under the age has been overturned or currently pending in court as unconstitutional. Parents buy M rated games for their kids all the time and there really is no way to enforce this in an MMO.

FullMetalAlc · February 2007

If you rather have sex then play an mmorpg, that mmorpg is a failure. If a game can make you forgo the poontang, then and I will quote Borat "Great Success!!"

Vanguard is sadly a failure.

Weezheat · February 2007

Originally posted by Rattrap

Originally posted by loeslein

It'll be around for awhile because there's a lot of adults that enjoy stuff like this.

Sorry to burst your boubble.

But most adults can not afford to play such hugely timesink mechanic based games.

Adults have jobs, families....

So actually Vanguard is much more appealing to school teenage type.

While what you are saying MAY be true, certain evidence kind of reinforces your idea

The VG community, Vanbois, are by far the most immature childish community I have been a part of in a long time. Ive played WoW and many others, and this is one of the things that strike me. Few other times have I been faced with a community of a just-released game so unwilling to help and answer questions. Should you complain or ask a quesition the immdiate Macroed answer is "Go back to Wow, Kiddies". With a game that APPARENTLY (I havent played it yet, just re-posting what others have said) is for a hardcore gamer, with the community the way it is, I wouldnty be surprised if eventually the player base was very very low. Unfortunate however, b/c aside from some things I dont like about the game, it appears to be quite good.

Stoneysilenc · February 2007

Originally posted by dodsfall

Originally posted by Tiger_Claw

Well Rumors, I read that information directly from the AoC website and forums. Go check it out yourself if you doubt it. As for enforcement, it can be illegal for retailers to sell games rated Adult Only/Mature to anyone under the age. Depending on the jurisdiction you live in, it may or may not be enforced. And yes, most all retailers are aware of potential criminal issues and lawsuit happy parents, so they do ask about age. Do you think a retailer wants the negative publicity over selling an inappropriate game to a minor and the legal issues that may come with it? You are right though, if some irresponsible adult wishes to buy it for an under age kid, that will happen as well. I think it is a great move to make a game that does not shy away from the brutality of the Conan world and appeals to a mature audience.

But back to the point... I have nothing against VG as a whole. From playing it in beta and since release, I feel that it is not for me at this time. Ill wait a few months for the bugs and kinks to be worked out a bit more and then try it again. Overall, it has great potential and if it gets some more polish, it could be fantastic. Time will tell.

Actually, every law passed so far in the US making it illegal to for retailers to sell games rated Adult Only/Mature to anyone under the age has been overturned or currently pending in court as unconstitutional. Parents buy M rated games for their kids all the time and there really is no way to enforce this in an MMO.

So then wouldn't all the laws saying that under age selling of M Rated music would be overturned and all laws about R-Rated movies would be overturned as well? Doesn't make sense.

Anyway if a game is M Rated alot of stores no matter the law will just not carry it (Wal-Mart for example).

PB&J · February 2007

Originally posted by Rattrap

Originally posted by loeslein

It'll be around for awhile because there's a lot of adults that enjoy stuff like this.

Sorry to burst your boubble.

But most adults can not afford to play such hugely timesink mechanic based games.

Adults have jobs, families....

So actually Vanguard is much more appealing to school teenage type.

Adults play a game because they enjoy the experience. Most of them are not in a race to max level.

To the OP, a lot of people really want this one to bomb for some reason. Dunno why and I don't really care. I'm to busy enjoying the game.

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