You can chat with other person from one server to another on Diablo or Dungeons Siege? No because each server is a difrent world(diablo have a limit of 8 players per server), and they are not presistent.In Diablo and DS servers are not conected like they are in GW. "The term gained popularity with the growth in popularity of MMORPGs. It's also the term (frequently abbreviated as "PW") used by players of Neverwinter Nights to refer to MMORPG-like online environments created using the game's toolkit. The original AOL MMORPG of Neverwinter Nights was the first graphical persistent world RPG." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_world If NWN have MMORPG servers with 64 players max usualy 32, Guild Wars can have that, in city, and you have arenas with 24 players also. Just see AO, DAoC(after DR) and CoX , you are in a city trading, socialising, etc, than you go out in a quest to level, they are instanced, does that make them online rpgs insted of MMORPGs?They have a bigger world not instanced, but too me is just a matter of size. In EVE most of the time i dont see no one, is a massive chat, but it is a mmorp, or because it have 500 shards it isnt? In EQ2 wen you have to many people in a place, the server makes another zone of the original one Ex: Antonica2. Same happens in GW, probably EQ2 isnt massive also, because it have limitations in the number of people in all zones. EVE also limit the amount of players per zone,you get in a qeue if that zone is full Ex: jita is full, you are number 100 in qeue. WoW in high end is all instanced, wen you start raiding or doing PvP you have nothing to do outside(no one cares about EP pvp and world bosses, instanced content (pve) is beter/more important), in the end GW and WoW are just the same. Why no one says DDO isnt a MMORPG? It is all instanced, and it have 3k players servers, wen GW have all of them in some way merged, so all comunity can be together. Do i need to get more examples?
Wait a second, so your trying to say that GW is an MMORPG because you can CHAT with other people? In hat case, IRC is also an mmorpg by your standards.
No, you don't need to get more examples, the developers stating GW is not an mmorpg already says enough nice try though. There is also a diffrence between WoW and GW. in WoW, you have the OPTION to do instanced content. in GW, you HAVE to do instanced content. in GW, you can NOT play with a massive amount of people at the same time, at the same place, hence it is NOT an mmorpg.
I can be with many people in citys, enogh people to call it massive.
Devs never sayed GW isnt a MMORPG, they caled it CORPG, because it is in some ways difrent from the other games(MMOs).
You have Metal bands, you like power metal(saw that in your blog) there is black metal, trach metal, doom,deth,heavy... metal.In the end they are all metal bands.
Same hapends here this is a inovation to MMOs in general, so devs wanted to guive it another name, so people can understand this game is in some way difrent from the others MMO´s, but in the end is another MMO
Who can take you seriously wen you dont see Oblivion was in the same page but because it won best rpg of the year.(GW:NF won best MMORPG of the year) Just see here http://goty.gamespy.com/2006/pc/index13.html Game spy didnt talked about runer ups. About GW not being a mmorpg your statment didnt prove nothing, you didnt get anithing solid to make it believable, it was just a trol post. Strange a game that isnt a mmo (not in my opinion), win the best MMO. So real MMO´s must be realy bad games :P Btw GW also won Best MMORPG of the year 2005 at game spy http://goty.gamespy.com/2005/pc/index14.html And was at 6th place at 10 best PC games of 2005 (game spy) http://goty.gamespy.com/2005/pc/index7.html
"CHATROOM ONLINE ROLE PLAY GAME. " you are an EVE(afk) player, do you want a bigger chat room than EVE?????LOL
I can be with many people in citys, enogh people to call it massive LoL by that logic this forum is a MMORPG because there are a lot of people in it, face it the citys are just chat rooms with a fancy 3D interface. Devs never sayed GW isnt a MMORPG Actually they did , they caled it CORPG, because it is in some ways difrent from the other games(MMOs) Yea different as in not a MMORPG. You have Metal bands, you like power metal(saw that in your blog) there is black metal, trach metal, doom,deth,heavy... metal.In the end they are all metal bands. Same hapends here this is a inovation to MMOs in general, so devs wanted to guive it another name, so people can understand this game is in some way difrent from the others MMO´s, but in the end is another MMO Just to remid you that MMO stands for MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE
Originally posted by LordSlater Originally posted by WARCRYtm Who can take you seriously wen you dont see Oblivion was in the same page but because it won best rpg of the year.(GW:NF won best MMORPG of the year) Just see here http://goty.gamespy.com/2006/pc/index13.html Game spy didnt talked about runer ups. About GW not being a mmorpg your statment didnt prove nothing, you didnt get anithing solid to make it believable, it was just a trol post. Strange a game that isnt a mmo (not in my opinion), win the best MMO. So real MMO´s must be realy bad games :P Btw GW also won Best MMORPG of the year 2005 at game spy http://goty.gamespy.com/2005/pc/index14.html And was at 6th place at 10 best PC games of 2005 (game spy) http://goty.gamespy.com/2005/pc/index7.html
"CHATROOM ONLINE ROLE PLAY GAME. " you are an EVE(afk) player, do you want a bigger chat room than EVE?????LOL
Originally posted by LordSlater Yea its called the readers choice awards.
aww didnt know anyway i dont think most people here would ever give a award to guildwars people coming from runscape/ultima/swg etc games , dont even see guildwars as a mmo
In April 2005, Guild Wars launched successfully, introducing a new financial model which might have been partly responsible for its success. Though definitely an online RPG, and technically having a persistent world (despite most of the game's content being instanced), it required only a one-time purchasing fee. It was also designed to be "winnable", more or less, as developers wouldn't profit from customers' prolonged playtime. Other differences compared to traditional MMORPGs included strictly PvP-only areas, a relatively short playtime requirement to access end-game content, instant world travel, and strategic PvP. For these differences it was termed instead a "Competitive/Cooperative Online Role-Playing Game" (CORPG) by its developers, and is now seen by some as occupying a new niche in the MMORPG market. With two million players as of June 19, 2006[5], Guild Wars is still continuously profitable (due to several expansions) and can be seen as a serious competitor to WoW.
However when you see the paragraph in its entiraty you see that its a sub-catagory of the online gaming area.
It can be likened to the following analagy.
You getthe standard MMORPG like WoW or EvE they represent Homosapian ie us.
Then you get Guildwars which shares many of the charecteristics of a MMORPG but is more like a Trogladite [Flat headed caveman] i.e. a different breed.
Its also like comparing apples [a fruit] to Bananas [A herb].
And yes Bananas are a herb.
So you see due to these small but important differences it is not termed a MMORPG but rather a CORPG which basically means Guildwars is a successfull Nich game.
No good sir, YOU lost the arguement. First of all, you link to wikipedia, which anyone can put everything they want. Notice that it says "It is CONSIDERED" a sub-category, it has NEVER EVER been confirmed it actually IS a cub-category. CORPG is a word that has been given by GW Developers. It was CREATED by GW Devs. NOT ONCE have they stated it is a "Sub-Category" of MMORPG's. We however DO know that they chose the term CORPG over MMORPG. if GW actually was an MMORPG, it would not be picked over MMORPG.
The arguement still stands. You think GW is an MMORPG because you can chat with other players. so by your standards, IRC is a non-graphical MMORPG.
"Competitive/Coperative Online Role-Playng Game" (CORPG) by its developers, and is now seen by soe as ocupying a new ninche in the MMORPG market"
Lord Slater you prove my sentence, btw EVE is a ninche game also, does it make it a bad game??? guess not.
Gameloading for me is massive because i can be with a massive amount of people in some places in the game, is there any place that says you must do more than trading,dance,chat in a city for the word massive be correct??
FFS thare is MMORPG worlds in NWN, i never saw no one complaining about this, and you know why? Because it isnt messing in the top ten af a web site that most of the users are EVE players and want that game to be the one(that is ok for me), this people cant stand another game that rivals their game. I dont see this discussion in other web sites.
I understand your point, but you must see the facts, i gave you many examples of other games, did you saw it?You didnt reply to the facts i gave you.
Game magazines, web sites say GW is a MMO, they compare it to WoW and EQ, why they wold lie??? Why give awards to a game that dont match.
"Competitive/Coperative Online Role-Playng Game" (CORPG) by its developers, and is now seen by soe as ocupying a new ninche in the MMORPG market" Lord Slater you prove my sentence, btw EVE is a ninche game also, does it make it a bad game??? guess not. Gameloading for me is massive because i can be with a massive amount of people in some places in the game, is there any place that says you must do more than trading,dance,chat in a city for the word massive be correct?? FFS thare is MMORPG worlds in NWN, i never saw no one complaining about this, and you know why? Because it isnt messing in the top ten af a web site that most of the users are EVE players and want that game to be the one(that is ok for me), this people cant stand another game that rivals their game. I dont see this discussion in other web sites. I understand your point, but you must see the facts, i gave you many examples of other games, did you saw it?You didnt reply to the facts i gave you. Game magazines, web sites say GW is a MMO, they compare it to WoW and EQ, why they wold lie??? Why give awards to a game that dont match. Just accept the truth
So the arguement still stands. You consider IRC an MMORPG. In fact, you consider every chatroom an MMORPG. Just chatting around in town is not PLAYING the game. You talk about facts, yet you bring none of them. You say that game magazines, websites declare GW an MMORPG, yet here the developers state its CORPG, NOT an MMORPG. I wonder why would know the game better, the DEVELOPERS or the reviewers? I will let you think about that one for a while.
"The first thing that needs to be said is that Guild Wars is not an MMO. There's a lot of misunderstanding going around, but GW is an online RPG that blends elements from Diablo-style online multiplayer, while integrating some MMO elements."
Go to Gamespot.com, and look for all 3 the GW reviews. Notice that the word "MMORPG" is NOT mentioned ONCE. in fact, they always speak about Online RPG.
Accept the truth WarCry. GW is NOT an mmorpg. Facts are Facts.
Ok your links are valid, and i cant go against them.
But you must see that MMORPG is the best name to feet GW next to CORPG (it is alone in that category) other way it wold not be in this forum or wining awards that dont belong to him.
Ok your links are valid, and i cant go against them. But you must see that MMORPG is the best name to feet GW next to CORPG (it is alone in that category) other way it wold not be in this forum or wining awards that dont belong to him.
PS: I like to talk to you GameLoading
I completely agree, GW falls best under the MMORPG genre. Although I personally think its time to create a "new" genre, specialy for games like GW. Phantasy Star Online, Phantasy Star Universe, Guild Wars & Dungeons & dragons online can fall under this. And more titles will be able in the future, such as dungeon runners, SUN. Sadly, Online rpg is a term, not an official genre. I think it should be a genre though.
"Competitive/Coperative Online Role-Playng Game" (CORPG) by its developers, and is now seen by soe as ocupying a new ninche in the MMORPG market" Lord Slater you prove my sentence, btw EVE is a ninche game also, does it make it a bad game??? guess not. I never said guildwars was a bad game Gameloading for me is massive because i can be with a massive amount of people in some places in the game, is there any place that says you must do more than trading,dance,chat in a city for the word massive be correct?? FFS thare is MMORPG worlds in NWN, i never saw no one complaining about this, and you know why? Because it isnt messing in the top ten af a web site that most of the users are EVE players and want that game to be the one(that is ok for me), this people cant stand another game that rivals their game. I dont see this discussion in other web sites. Your game ahrdly rivals EvE after all eve is a sci fi game and guildwars is a fantasy non elf game I understand your point, but you must see the facts, i gave you many examples of other games, did you saw it?You didnt reply to the facts i gave you. Game magazines, web sites say GW is a MMO, they compare it to WoW and EQ, why they wold lie??? Why give awards to a game that dont match. Maybee because you dont ahve to be a expert to review a game. Just accept the truth
You posted that GW is like a cave man game. GW rivals EVE for the 1st place on this web site Game spy is a good game web site, and well known.It cant do mustakes about games.
[Sighs]
Look i never said guildwars was a cave man game i was comming up with examples to explain what is mean when guildwars is a Nich game and not a true mmorpg despite being in that catagory.
Let me try with a gentler example. Yuo have the following fruit........Apples Oranges Pears......now all of these are fruit it hink you will agree but....the banana is considered a fruit too and is put in the fruit section of the supermarket to all intense and purposes its a fruit and thats fine. But in reallity the banana is a Herb.
You see while i agree that guildwars deserves to be presented with the MMORPG's on this site mainly on its own merits and similaritys to MMORPG'S. It is still more accuratly classed as a CORPG which while not a MMORPG it is close to one tho.
Massive Multiplayer - yes, millions of players questing together online, groups, raids, etc.
Online - yes, online play is required
Role Playing Game - yes, I have seen people role playing in this game
They can call it a Giant Hot Dog for all I care. It is still an MMORPG and CORPG in my book. BTW, I think you can define any MMO as a CORPG if you look at the definition.
Cooperative Play - WoW, EQ, GW
Competative - Any MMO with PvP
WoW and EQ have instancing also, just not as much as GW.
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No, you don't need to get more examples, the developers stating GW is not an mmorpg already says enough
I can be with many people in citys, enogh people to call it massive.
Devs never sayed GW isnt a MMORPG, they caled it CORPG, because it is in some ways difrent from the other games(MMOs).
You have Metal bands, you like power metal(saw that in your blog) there is black metal, trach metal, doom,deth,heavy... metal.In the end they are all metal bands.
Same hapends here this is a inovation to MMOs in general, so devs wanted to guive it another name, so people can understand this game is in some way difrent from the others MMO´s, but in the end is another MMO
WOOOOOOT
this forum will be the last to admit that guildwars is a mmorpg
hahahahaha , great at least we have something to argue , as long as we do it in topics like this , super !!!
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is there a mmorpg.com award ?
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aww didnt know
anyway i dont think most people here would ever give a award to guildwars
people coming from runscape/ultima/swg etc games , dont even see guildwars as a mmo
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Someone posted that GW is not an MMORPG. That is incorrect information. GW is both an MMORPG and CORPG by definition.
CORPG = competitive/cooperative online role-playing game
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CORPG
A competitive/cooperative online role-playing game (commonly abbreviated CORPG) is an online genre of computer and video games centered around the creation and development of an avatar with the intent of competing with and against others in a global competition or cooperating together in a private instance of the game world. It is considered a sub-category of massively multiplayer on-line role player games. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CORPG
I win you lose
In April 2005, Guild Wars launched successfully, introducing a new financial model which might have been partly responsible for its success. Though definitely an online RPG, and technically having a persistent world (despite most of the game's content being instanced), it required only a one-time purchasing fee. It was also designed to be "winnable", more or less, as developers wouldn't profit from customers' prolonged playtime. Other differences compared to traditional MMORPGs included strictly PvP-only areas, a relatively short playtime requirement to access end-game content, instant world travel, and strategic PvP. For these differences it was termed instead a "Competitive/Cooperative Online Role-Playing Game" (CORPG) by its developers, and is now seen by some as occupying a new niche in the MMORPG market. With two million players as of June 19, 2006[5], Guild Wars is still continuously profitable (due to several expansions) and can be seen as a serious competitor to WoW.
However when you see the paragraph in its entiraty you see that its a sub-catagory of the online gaming area.
It can be likened to the following analagy.
You getthe standard MMORPG like WoW or EvE they represent Homosapian ie us.
Then you get Guildwars which shares many of the charecteristics of a MMORPG but is more like a Trogladite [Flat headed caveman] i.e. a different breed.
Its also like comparing apples [a fruit] to Bananas [A herb].
And yes Bananas are a herb.
So you see due to these small but important differences it is not termed a MMORPG but rather a CORPG which basically means Guildwars is a successfull Nich game.
The arguement still stands. You think GW is an MMORPG because you can chat with other players. so by your standards, IRC is a non-graphical MMORPG.
"Competitive/Coperative Online Role-Playng Game" (CORPG) by its developers, and is now seen by soe as ocupying a new ninche in the MMORPG market"
Lord Slater you prove my sentence, btw EVE is a ninche game also, does it make it a bad game??? guess not.
Gameloading for me is massive because i can be with a massive amount of people in some places in the game, is there any place that says you must do more than trading,dance,chat in a city for the word massive be correct??
FFS thare is MMORPG worlds in NWN, i never saw no one complaining about this, and you know why? Because it isnt messing in the top ten af a web site that most of the users are EVE players and want that game to be the one(that is ok for me), this people cant stand another game that rivals their game. I dont see this discussion in other web sites.
I understand your point, but you must see the facts, i gave you many examples of other games, did you saw it?You didnt reply to the facts i gave you.
Game magazines, web sites say GW is a MMO, they compare it to WoW and EQ, why they wold lie??? Why give awards to a game that dont match.
Just accept the truth
Want more?
http://www.mmodeals.net/games/guild_wars/index.php
""Guild Wars is not an MMORPG," said Jeff Strain, producer of the game.
Here, even more:
http://www.gwonline.net/
"Despite what you may have heard or read, Guild wars is not an MMORPG,"
You talk about websites? oh, you mean like this?
http://pc.ign.com/articles/608/608675p1.html
"The first thing that needs to be said is that Guild Wars is not an MMO. There's a lot of misunderstanding going around, but GW is an online RPG that blends elements from Diablo-style online multiplayer, while integrating some MMO elements."
Go to Gamespot.com, and look for all 3 the GW reviews. Notice that the word "MMORPG" is NOT mentioned ONCE. in fact, they always speak about Online RPG.
Accept the truth WarCry. GW is NOT an mmorpg. Facts are Facts.
Ok your links are valid, and i cant go against them.
But you must see that MMORPG is the best name to feet GW next to CORPG (it is alone in that category) other way it wold not be in this forum or wining awards that dont belong to him.
PS: I like to talk to you GameLoading
But indeed, it was a nice debate
You posted that GW is like a cave man game.
GW rivals EVE for the 1st place on this web site
Game spy is a good game web site, and well known.It cant do mustakes about games.
Its kind ofl like winning a beauty contest, except the only other people who showed up were incredibly ugly.
[Sighs]
Look i never said guildwars was a cave man game i was comming up with examples to explain what is mean when guildwars is a Nich game and not a true mmorpg despite being in that catagory.
Let me try with a gentler example. Yuo have the following fruit........Apples Oranges Pears......now all of these are fruit it hink you will agree but....the banana is considered a fruit too and is put in the fruit section of the supermarket to all intense and purposes its a fruit and thats fine. But in reallity the banana is a Herb.
You see while i agree that guildwars deserves to be presented with the MMORPG's on this site mainly on its own merits and similaritys to MMORPG'S. It is still more accuratly classed as a CORPG which while not a MMORPG it is close to one tho.
I hope this explained my meaning better.
Oh and just to help this thread along i shall post this link that the Brilliant Gameloading found.
http://pc.ign.com/articles/608/608675p1.html
Online - yes, online play is required
Role Playing Game - yes, I have seen people role playing in this game
They can call it a Giant Hot Dog for all I care. It is still an MMORPG and CORPG in my book. BTW, I think you can define any MMO as a CORPG if you look at the definition.
Cooperative Play - WoW, EQ, GW
Competative - Any MMO with PvP
WoW and EQ have instancing also, just not as much as GW.