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Gay Rabbi's

Seems like more than a few Jews are in support of allowing same sex unions and gay Rabbi's. 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10413159

My favorite part of the article is this...

"Conservative Judaism has always taught that we must
upgrade our biblical understanding with new scientific knowledge.
Contrary to the biblical assumption that gayness is a sinful choice,
our best knowledge today indicates that it is as determined and
irrevocable as blue or brown eyes ..."

So, I guess that means there are some religious people who are able to understand what the Bible really is.  It's a nice ancient book that needs to be updated where needed from time to time.  There's nothing wrong with admitting that.  And admitting it can free us all from ancient hatreds and stagnation of growth as well.



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  • SmurfMagicSmurfMagic Member Posts: 664



    Originally posted by gnomexxx
    Seems like more than a few Jews are in support of allowing same sex unions and gay Rabbi's. 

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10413159

    My favorite part of the article is this...

    "Conservative Judaism has always taught that we must upgrade our biblical understanding with new scientific knowledge. Contrary to the biblical assumption that gayness is a sinful choice, our best knowledge today indicates that it is as determined and irrevocable as blue or brown eyes ..."

    So, I guess that means there are some religious people who are able to understand what the Bible really is.  It's a nice ancient book that needs to be updated where needed from time to time.  There's nothing wrong with admitting that.  And admitting it can free us all from ancient hatreds and stagnation of growth as well.



    True dat, but I think the whole Gayness thing kinda crosses the line... Nature did not intend for same sex to mate or be attracked to each other.... sounds like a birth defect to me if its actualy somthing proven with sciencntific observation..... and YIKES, whats with all these gay and pedopheliac Catholic preists ?


     

  • AwakenedAwakened Member UncommonPosts: 595



    Originally posted by SmurfMagic



    Originally posted by gnomexxx
    Seems like more than a few Jews are in support of allowing same sex unions and gay Rabbi's. 

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10413159

    My favorite part of the article is this...

    "Conservative Judaism has always taught that we must upgrade our biblical understanding with new scientific knowledge. Contrary to the biblical assumption that gayness is a sinful choice, our best knowledge today indicates that it is as determined and irrevocable as blue or brown eyes ..."

    So, I guess that means there are some religious people who are able to understand what the Bible really is.  It's a nice ancient book that needs to be updated where needed from time to time.  There's nothing wrong with admitting that.  And admitting it can free us all from ancient hatreds and stagnation of growth as well.


    True dat, but I think the whole Gayness thing kinda crosses the line... Nature did not intend for same sex to mate or be attracked to each other.... sounds like a birth defect to me if its actualy somthing proven with sciencntific observation..... and YIKES, whats with all these gay and pedopheliac Catholic preists ?
     



    Yeah, not to sound mean, but if they are born that way, and we don't know for fact that they are, then it's really no different than being born retarded or something.  Special rules need to be made for special people.

    What greater tribute to free will than the power to question the highest of authority? What greater display of loyalty than blind faith? What greater gift than free will? What greater love than loyalty?

  • XeximaXexima Member UncommonPosts: 2,696

    Originally posted by Awakened
    Originally posted by SmurfMagic
    Originally posted by gnomexxx
    Seems like more than a few Jews are in support of allowing same sex unions and gay Rabbi's. 

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10413159

    My favorite part of the article is this...

    "Conservative Judaism has always taught that we must upgrade our biblical understanding with new scientific knowledge. Contrary to the biblical assumption that gayness is a sinful choice, our best knowledge today indicates that it is as determined and irrevocable as blue or brown eyes ..."

    So, I guess that means there are some religious people who are able to understand what the Bible really is.  It's a nice ancient book that needs to be updated where needed from time to time.  There's nothing wrong with admitting that.  And admitting it can free us all from ancient hatreds and stagnation of growth as well.

    True dat, but I think the whole Gayness thing kinda crosses the line... Nature did not intend for same sex to mate or be attracked to each other.... sounds like a birth defect to me if its actualy somthing proven with sciencntific observation..... and YIKES, whats with all these gay and pedopheliac Catholic preists ?
     


    Yeah, not to sound mean, but if they are born that way, and we don't know for fact that they are, then it's really no different than being born retarded or something.  Special rules need to be made for special people.

    Well, I don't see it that way, people are born with add (or so the doctors tell us) yet we don't make special rules for them.  I see it as a sexual disorder, and nothing more.


  • AwakenedAwakened Member UncommonPosts: 595



    Originally posted by Xexima



    Originally posted by Awakened



    Originally posted by SmurfMagic



    Originally posted by gnomexxx
    Seems like more than a few Jews are in support of allowing same sex unions and gay Rabbi's. 

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10413159

    My favorite part of the article is this...

    "Conservative Judaism has always taught that we must upgrade our biblical understanding with new scientific knowledge. Contrary to the biblical assumption that gayness is a sinful choice, our best knowledge today indicates that it is as determined and irrevocable as blue or brown eyes ..."

    So, I guess that means there are some religious people who are able to understand what the Bible really is.  It's a nice ancient book that needs to be updated where needed from time to time.  There's nothing wrong with admitting that.  And admitting it can free us all from ancient hatreds and stagnation of growth as well.


    True dat, but I think the whole Gayness thing kinda crosses the line... Nature did not intend for same sex to mate or be attracked to each other.... sounds like a birth defect to me if its actualy somthing proven with sciencntific observation..... and YIKES, whats with all these gay and pedopheliac Catholic preists ?
     



    Yeah, not to sound mean, but if they are born that way, and we don't know for fact that they are, then it's really no different than being born retarded or something.  Special rules need to be made for special people.



    Well, I don't see it that way, people are born with add (or so the doctors tell us) yet we don't make special rules for them.  I see it as a sexual disorder, and nothing more.



    Nah, we don't make special rules for ADD, don't need too, pills fix it for us.  So maybe that's the solution, anti-gay pills.

    What greater tribute to free will than the power to question the highest of authority? What greater display of loyalty than blind faith? What greater gift than free will? What greater love than loyalty?

  • SmurfMagicSmurfMagic Member Posts: 664

    LOL anti gay pills...

     

  • modjoe86modjoe86 Member UncommonPosts: 4,083

    Originally posted by Awakened
    Originally posted by Xexima
    Originally posted by Awakened
    Originally posted by SmurfMagic
    Originally posted by gnomexxx
    Seems like more than a few Jews are in support of allowing same sex unions and gay Rabbi's. 

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10413159

    My favorite part of the article is this...

    "Conservative Judaism has always taught that we must upgrade our biblical understanding with new scientific knowledge. Contrary to the biblical assumption that gayness is a sinful choice, our best knowledge today indicates that it is as determined and irrevocable as blue or brown eyes ..."

    So, I guess that means there are some religious people who are able to understand what the Bible really is.  It's a nice ancient book that needs to be updated where needed from time to time.  There's nothing wrong with admitting that.  And admitting it can free us all from ancient hatreds and stagnation of growth as well.

    True dat, but I think the whole Gayness thing kinda crosses the line... Nature did not intend for same sex to mate or be attracked to each other.... sounds like a birth defect to me if its actualy somthing proven with sciencntific observation..... and YIKES, whats with all these gay and pedopheliac Catholic preists ?
     


    Yeah, not to sound mean, but if they are born that way, and we don't know for fact that they are, then it's really no different than being born retarded or something.  Special rules need to be made for special people.

    Well, I don't see it that way, people are born with add (or so the doctors tell us) yet we don't make special rules for them.  I see it as a sexual disorder, and nothing more.

    Nah, we don't make special rules for ADD, don't need too, pills fix it for us.  So maybe that's the solution, anti-gay pills.

    Or "Get the hell off your high horse" pills.


  • AwakenedAwakened Member UncommonPosts: 595



    Originally posted by modjoe86



    Originally posted by Awakened



    Originally posted by Xexima



    Originally posted by Awakened



    Originally posted by SmurfMagic



    Originally posted by gnomexxx
    Seems like more than a few Jews are in support of allowing same sex unions and gay Rabbi's. 

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10413159

    My favorite part of the article is this...

    "Conservative Judaism has always taught that we must upgrade our biblical understanding with new scientific knowledge. Contrary to the biblical assumption that gayness is a sinful choice, our best knowledge today indicates that it is as determined and irrevocable as blue or brown eyes ..."

    So, I guess that means there are some religious people who are able to understand what the Bible really is.  It's a nice ancient book that needs to be updated where needed from time to time.  There's nothing wrong with admitting that.  And admitting it can free us all from ancient hatreds and stagnation of growth as well.


    True dat, but I think the whole Gayness thing kinda crosses the line... Nature did not intend for same sex to mate or be attracked to each other.... sounds like a birth defect to me if its actualy somthing proven with sciencntific observation..... and YIKES, whats with all these gay and pedopheliac Catholic preists ?
     



    Yeah, not to sound mean, but if they are born that way, and we don't know for fact that they are, then it's really no different than being born retarded or something.  Special rules need to be made for special people.



    Well, I don't see it that way, people are born with add (or so the doctors tell us) yet we don't make special rules for them.  I see it as a sexual disorder, and nothing more.



    Nah, we don't make special rules for ADD, don't need too, pills fix it for us.  So maybe that's the solution, anti-gay pills.



    Or "Get the hell off your high horse" pills.



    I cut off my horse's legs for this very reason.  See, there's a solution for everything.

    What greater tribute to free will than the power to question the highest of authority? What greater display of loyalty than blind faith? What greater gift than free will? What greater love than loyalty?

  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918



    Originally posted by gnomexxx 

    Contrary to the biblical assumption that gayness is a sinful choice, our best knowledge today indicates that it is as determined and irrevocable as blue or brown eyes ..."





    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    no..this is simply untrue.

    I have no doubt that some people are born with hormone imbalances that give them a higher predisposition towards homosexuality...but saying that our best knowledge indicates that homosexuality is as programed as eye color is an unsubstantiated claim.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • XeximaXexima Member UncommonPosts: 2,696

    Originally posted by Draenor
    Originally posted by gnomexxx 

    Contrary to the biblical assumption that gayness is a sinful choice, our best knowledge today indicates that it is as determined and irrevocable as blue or brown eyes ..."


    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    no..this is simply untrue.

    I have no doubt that some people are born with hormone imbalances that give them a higher predisposition towards homosexuality...but saying that our best knowledge indicates that homosexuality is as programed as eye color is an unsubstantiated claim.


    of course it isn't, it can't be just because of the fact that there are different levels of homosexuality, which in turn goes into bisexuality, then heterosexuality.  There is no black and white in this..  Most scientists agree that it has to do mostly with the amount of testosterone and oestrogen hormones you are subjected to in development in the womb.  Of course there are many other factors that probably determine sexuality.


  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918



    Originally posted by Xexima



    Originally posted by Draenor



    Originally posted by gnomexxx 

    Contrary to the biblical assumption that gayness is a sinful choice, our best knowledge today indicates that it is as determined and irrevocable as blue or brown eyes ..."




    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    no..this is simply untrue.

    I have no doubt that some people are born with hormone imbalances that give them a higher predisposition towards homosexuality...but saying that our best knowledge indicates that homosexuality is as programed as eye color is an unsubstantiated claim.



    of course it isn't, it can't be just because of the fact that there are different levels of homosexuality, which in turn goes into bisexuality, then heterosexuality.  There is no black and white in this..  Most scientists agree that it has to do mostly with the amount of testosterone and oestrogen hormones you are subjected to in development in the womb.  Of course there are many other factors that probably determine sexuality.




    exactly, thus, the article is misleading and I would go so far as to say outright lying in order to further the author's own beliefs.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • XeximaXexima Member UncommonPosts: 2,696

    Originally posted by Draenor
    Originally posted by Xexima
    Originally posted by Draenor
    Originally posted by gnomexxx 

    Contrary to the biblical assumption that gayness is a sinful choice, our best knowledge today indicates that it is as determined and irrevocable as blue or brown eyes ..."


    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    no..this is simply untrue.

    I have no doubt that some people are born with hormone imbalances that give them a higher predisposition towards homosexuality...but saying that our best knowledge indicates that homosexuality is as programed as eye color is an unsubstantiated claim.


    of course it isn't, it can't be just because of the fact that there are different levels of homosexuality, which in turn goes into bisexuality, then heterosexuality.  There is no black and white in this..  Most scientists agree that it has to do mostly with the amount of testosterone and oestrogen hormones you are subjected to in development in the womb.  Of course there are many other factors that probably determine sexuality.


    exactly, thus, the article is misleading and I would go so far as to say outright lying in order to further the author's own beliefs.
    I haven't even read the article, but I wouldn't doubt it at all.


  • NierroNierro Member UncommonPosts: 1,755
    Gay people don't hurt anyone, but the people that throw bricks at them do.


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  • AwakenedAwakened Member UncommonPosts: 595



    Originally posted by Nierro
    Gay people don't hurt anyone, but the people that throw bricks at them do.



    People throw bricks at me, but you don't see me screaming "ban black people". 

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    What greater tribute to free will than the power to question the highest of authority? What greater display of loyalty than blind faith? What greater gift than free will? What greater love than loyalty?

  • reavoreavo Member Posts: 2,173

    Originally posted by Awakened
    Originally posted by Xexima
    Originally posted by Awakened
    Originally posted by SmurfMagic
    Originally posted by gnomexxx
    Seems like more than a few Jews are in support of allowing same sex unions and gay Rabbi's. 

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10413159

    My favorite part of the article is this...

    "Conservative Judaism has always taught that we must upgrade our biblical understanding with new scientific knowledge. Contrary to the biblical assumption that gayness is a sinful choice, our best knowledge today indicates that it is as determined and irrevocable as blue or brown eyes ..."

    So, I guess that means there are some religious people who are able to understand what the Bible really is.  It's a nice ancient book that needs to be updated where needed from time to time.  There's nothing wrong with admitting that.  And admitting it can free us all from ancient hatreds and stagnation of growth as well.

    True dat, but I think the whole Gayness thing kinda crosses the line... Nature did not intend for same sex to mate or be attracked to each other.... sounds like a birth defect to me if its actualy somthing proven with sciencntific observation..... and YIKES, whats with all these gay and pedopheliac Catholic preists ?
     


    Yeah, not to sound mean, but if they are born that way, and we don't know for fact that they are, then it's really no different than being born retarded or something.  Special rules need to be made for special people.

    Well, I don't see it that way, people are born with add (or so the doctors tell us) yet we don't make special rules for them.  I see it as a sexual disorder, and nothing more.

    Nah, we don't make special rules for ADD, don't need too, pills fix it for us.  So maybe that's the solution, anti-gay pills.

    As a teacher, I can tell you with absolutely certainty that there are different rules for kids with ADD/ADHD.  I spend about 50% of my time teaching modifying tests and curriculum for kids with various learning disabilities. 


  • reavoreavo Member Posts: 2,173

    Originally posted by Draenor
    Originally posted by Xexima
    Originally posted by Draenor
    Originally posted by gnomexxx 

    Contrary to the biblical assumption that gayness is a sinful choice, our best knowledge today indicates that it is as determined and irrevocable as blue or brown eyes ..."


    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    no..this is simply untrue.

    I have no doubt that some people are born with hormone imbalances that give them a higher predisposition towards homosexuality...but saying that our best knowledge indicates that homosexuality is as programed as eye color is an unsubstantiated claim.


    of course it isn't, it can't be just because of the fact that there are different levels of homosexuality, which in turn goes into bisexuality, then heterosexuality.  There is no black and white in this..  Most scientists agree that it has to do mostly with the amount of testosterone and oestrogen hormones you are subjected to in development in the womb.  Of course there are many other factors that probably determine sexuality.


    exactly, thus, the article is misleading and I would go so far as to say outright lying in order to further the author's own beliefs.
    Maybe I read the article wrong, but I thought the person saying that was a quote, not the author's words.  And I think it came from a Rabbi at that. 


  • reavoreavo Member Posts: 2,173

    Originally posted by Draenor
    Originally posted by gnomexxx 

    Contrary to the biblical assumption that gayness is a sinful choice, our best knowledge today indicates that it is as determined and irrevocable as blue or brown eyes ..."


    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    no..this is simply untrue.

    I have no doubt that some people are born with hormone imbalances that give them a higher predisposition towards homosexuality...but saying that our best knowledge indicates that homosexuality is as programed as eye color is an unsubstantiated claim.


    So God wants these people to walk around lonely and in hiding all their lives?  I don't think so.

    Maybe it would help if you imagined yourself trying to have sex with another male.  Or better yet, why don't you imagine yourself being forced to try to fall in love with another man in order to kill some of the loneliness you feel.  Then maybe you can understand what you're asking a gay man to do.  It's not natural for them to fall in love with or be attracted to a female.  You can call that unnatural if you like, but that means it's just unnatural to you.  Not to them.

    I think that's what Modjoe was saying when he says get off your high horse.


  • CooktasticoCooktastico Member Posts: 599
    lol when i read this topic i thought it said gay rabbits. i was thinking "how could you be that cuddly and fuzzy and NOT be gay?"
  • zakk_zakk_ Member Posts: 438
    that rabbit's got a vicous streak a mile wide,it's a killer!


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