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Actually, I believe the lesson learned is do not let friends play on your account, or do anything else that is against the rules. They did nothing wrong there. They strung you along long enough to get the details concerning you and your friend's wrongdoing and then banned you, which was and is their right in such cases. You do not have a legitimate complaint with this one. You were not wrongly banned and you fell for good cop/bad cop. Funny all the way around
Originally posted by Zorvan Actually, I believe the lesson learned is do not let friends play on your account, or do anything else that is against the rules. They did nothing wrong there. They strung you along long enough to get the details concerning you and your friend's wrongdoing and then banned you, which was and is their right in such cases. You do not have a legitimate complaint with this one. You were not wrongly banned and you fell for good cop/bad cop. Funny all the way around
It's the same ploy cops use and it's justifiable to get all the information they can.
Anyone who shares their account for whatever reason deserves to be banned.
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it." Brad McQuaidChairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroeswww.vanguardsoh
Originally posted by MrBoots So the lesson is do not trust/help a blizzard GM. They do not keep their word....and this is just too delicious to not edit my posting for. How about "Do not trust your "friends" and read the agreements youenter when using your account? As mentioned a bit further up in myposting: You have AGREED and UNDERSTAND that one account will only EVERbe used by one person. I don'T really know what you expected here? Say your friend did dowrong on your account... A: How would they know it wasn'T you and B:Why should they let any abuse go unpunished if they already warn youwhen you open your accoun that this is what can happen to you?
The bottom line here is, you do not have a given right to play an online game. If the game publisher does not want you to play THEIR game, then they have the right to tell you that you can no longer play. They do not have to give you a reason other than we don't want you here. Having said that, no game publisher is going to ban anybody without good reason. I would venture to guess that 99% of these players who claim they did nothing wrong know perfectly well what they did.
You do not have to use a third party program to get banned. A good many players who get banned are exploiting a bug in the code. It is amazing how many players will say, " if there is a bug in the code it is the game publishers fault for not fixing it and I can expolit if I want to". Well, guess what, yes you can and you can also have your game account banned.
Players will say. " I didn't know it was a bug". Listen, if you find something in the game that allows you to reap rewards without any risk on your part then it is most likely a bug and you should report it, not exploit it. For instance, if you found a vendor that after you sold him a special item, he would sell you some other item for 1 silver but would buy it back for 100 gold and you were able to do this over and over and over, then that would obviously be a bug. You would be gaining a large reward for no risk and the situation was obviously not meant to happen. If you did this again and again, (thereby exploiting the bug), then you should not be surprised when the game publisher says buh bye to you.
One of the often exploited bugs are pathing bugs. If you find a spot where you can kill mobs over and over without any risk to yourself then that is a bug and you should report it, not do it. There is a game that had a few of these types of bugs. There were spots where you could, using a special spell, cause mobs to run into and get stuck in a wall and then all you had to do was sit there and fire damage spells at them until they were dead. This was obviously not meant to happen. Many players were banned from this game for doing this exploit.
Just keep in mind when you are playing an MMORPG. The game publisher can say goodbye to you whenever they please. So while you are playing you should always keep that in mind and not do things you know are not suppose to work the way you are using them.
If you are using third party programs to do things for you without any effort on your part, then don't be surprised when your account gets banned.
If you are doing things that interfere with other players playing the game normally, then don't cry when you get banned.
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Originally posted by kmilner And I remember when this game came out they said they weren't going to be ban-happy. They would talk to people before bans went out. They were a different kind of game company that would listen to its player base. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" as the Who would say.What I think is funny is how they go around banning people right and left without even talking to them, yet do nothing about the level 44 orc warrior who has been in Thousand Needles for three weeks continuously.When I was there, 15 levels ago, he was stealing kills and even trying to skin my kills before I could skin them. He ignored constant requests to stop, so I reported him."We'll look into this player's activity and investigate further."well, three weeks later, I can still do a /who on him anytime, day or night, and there he is, farming his little heart out. Same level, same location.Yeah, they can't ban him because he MIGHT not be a farmer, but they ban others left and right for what ever capricious reason they feel is adequate.Ban the cheaters and gold sellers, but do it evenly. And give them redress of grievences.Thats all I say.
Yeah, I remember when they made their little shiny promises.
The game WAS good but then it became a massive thing with 582859829 users, this ruined it.
Obviously Blizzard was ALWAYS slow to deal with EVERYTHING, they have an retarded inter-company structure and need days to respond to anything that gets reported.
Ive always loved their games and enjoyed WoW for a brief time, but I just wish it goes out of business, really. The service is looking like crap.
If the game expands that much they need to try and deal with it, hire more people or make more transparent systems to deal with problems. Obviously they cant do it.
Originally posted by Samuraisword Originally posted by einexile That Blizzard has a policy forbidding players from allowing their *spouses* to maintain characters on the account for even the most casual dabbling pretty much negates any claim they have to moral high ground on anything. This is a part of life in which WoW, Blizzard, the law, and the public have no authority and no right to consider, comment, or enforce.Everyone should read these guidelines carefully. They are a bizarre insight into a dangerous hubris that could one day spell the death of the game - and they are a very strong argument for looking the other way in the face of any offense.
Blizzard and most other MMOGs have the same"non sharing of accounts" rule.
Blizzard and other MMOGs don't claim high moral ground. They believe sharing of accounts enables cheaters to be more effective, with powerleveling and use of bots which is the truth.
Sorry if you can't use your spouse's account to chat with his guildmates. Get over yourself.
Originally posted by willgar As i am not a gold buyer, can some kind soul tell me what they use the bought gold for? All the top items are BOP or need a group of players to get, you cant buy faction with gold, herbs and potions are piss easy to gather... so what are all these supposed millions of gold being spent on then??? anyone? please....
Originally posted by Onijin Originally posted by Samuraisword Originally posted by einexile That Blizzard has a policy forbidding players from allowing their *spouses* to maintain characters on the account for even the most casual dabbling pretty much negates any claim they have to moral high ground on anything. This is a part of life in which WoW, Blizzard, the law, and the public have no authority and no right to consider, comment, or enforce.Everyone should read these guidelines carefully. They are a bizarre insight into a dangerous hubris that could one day spell the death of the game - and they are a very strong argument for looking the other way in the face of any offense.
Actually you can buy faction. Twillight texts for Centarion Circle rep. Bijous and coins for ZG rep. Dark Iron ore plus other things for Thorium Brotherhood rep ...
Having gold just makes the game easier. Want to enchant your new BoP epic item having gold makes it happen. There are many other uses for in game money. That's probably why there is a demand for it .
Having said that I'd be very to see all gold farmers (the ones sell their labor for real money) and all gold buyers removed for the game ASAP.
Yeah Ban'm all!
I'm all for punishing players who break the rules. Including banning them. Hell there are not enough bans given out. When I don't see evidence of botting, gold selling or even players making obsene* statements in public chat. Then there are probably enough bans given out.
I don't want to see truly innocent playerers get banned. And neither does Blizzard (or anyother gaming company). What would Blizzard have to gain from banning innocent players? Nothing of course.
I don't fear a ban and probably neither do the majority of players who play the game without breaking the rules.
Well for one it is Blizzards game and they have the right to do what they feel needs to be done to protect the game and its subscribers.
Like the editor noted it is hard to judge on the Linux issue or the so called logging into the game at a different location because there just isnt enough information on these 2 occurences. However if the ban is because your running an operating system other then windows then this is unacceptable.. but again we dont know the full story and for anyone that uses linex or unix knows you can do a lot more hacking or other things with these operating systems.
Hopefully these issues are corrected but dont judge Blizzard on them until you get the information on what is truly going on. Unfortunately we may never know.
Out of every 100 men, 10 should not be there, 80 are nothing but targets, 9 are the real fighters. Ah, but one, ONE of them is a warrior, and he will bring the others home. -Heraclitus 500BC
Originally posted by Rugster I've actually stopped playing wow because thier accounts system used for extending subscription only uses microsoft explorer, since i use firefox, i cannot resub, not that it matters, plenty other games to play... bf2142 for example.
Originally posted by nutwithguns Originally posted by Rugster I've actually stopped playing wow because thier accounts system used for extending subscription only uses microsoft explorer, since i use firefox, i cannot resub, not that it matters, plenty other games to play... bf2142 for example.
There is nothing wrong with farming and buying gold. If you have the money, do it. We've been buying gold since the game came out and have never been banned. Audits ? Yeah right. 4 of my 60s have over 35,000 gold on them each.
My time > money. Boo hoo hoo I can't get the new rogue book. It won't drop. I lost the roll. So and so ninja'd it. Big deal. BOE items always drop in the AH. Believe me, BOP is just as easy - I have all the full sets for all my toons, once it comes time for the roll start whispering whoever is rolling against you - gold > rolling. You will win every time.
Gold buying FTWs. Now flame away "purists". Bahaha.
EDIT : Two things to look for when hunting for a new game to play. 1) Is there gold available for purchase and 2) death penalty. The obvious "fun factor" is a given.
EDIT : Completely forgot about the faction. I went from 0 to EXALTED in less than 2 hrs from using the Bijous and Twilight Texts. All in all it boils down to time against money for me. And for, I have waaaay more money than time. Let's think about this. You log onto a farming site (I frequent 2). I purchase the highest amount of gold possible. It is delivered in minutes. Hmmm. Minutes or MONTHS of farming ? You decide. Like I said, if you have the cash, do it. Enjoy the game. Buy the pots, gear, etc., get burned out and move to the next game.
I still laugh at the people running UBRS over and over and over and still getting nothing. MC, ZG, etc. are all the same. Remember, the loudest people AGAINST gold buying, etc. are usually guilty as hell.
Get over it. If you get caught, move along...nothing to see. Just pray your new game has an ingame mailing (w/attachment) system. Ever try trading 100,000k in COH/COV ? Takes f-o-r-e-v-e-r.
Originally posted by Exmond Hating wow. The new COOL thing to do!I couldn't even get through the first page without noticing some errors. Im sure they have been corrected but..Blizzard banning Cedega users: Nope. Blizzard has been working with Cedega so its not the fact that people are using linux to run WOW. It is because they are cheating and hoping Cedega covers it.Seriously guys, grown some balls, be your own person and don't follow the rest of the sheep.Stand tall and admit it, you like WOW.But you know the Viva Pinata is the REAL wow killer.
Have played: CoH, DDO EQ2, FFXI, L2, HZ, SoR, and WW2 online