Topic: yes or no?

patheos · November 2006

I believe if your MMO history begins in the year 2000 or above, you cant consider yourself a true mmo person, yet.

SnaKey · November 2006

No. 6yrs? C'mon man. 6yrs ago AC and UO were pretty popular. So was EQ, but even EQ was pretty good for it's time.

I started in late 99 or 00.. I can't remember.

WendoXXX · November 2006

I would say that it dosent matter if u have been playing since UO or if u just been playing Archlord. I belive its in the mind of the player u should gudge w/e he is a "true mmo person" or not.... whatever that now would be. Iv meet 14 year old boys who are playing there first mmo and where way more dedicated, skilled and whit a understanding of mmos then players i know been playing for years.

patheos · November 2006

6 years was too long...and really i only started this because people say WoW is their first mmo and consider themselves a veteran mmo player. Pet pieve...sorry.

WendoXXX · November 2006

Originally posted by patheos
6 years was too long...and really i only started this because people say WoW is their first mmo and consider themselves a veteran mmo player. Pet pieve...sorry.

Ye imo players that only been playing WoW often seem to have less understanding of mmos then other players that been playing any other mmo. I guess it could be me misstaking ofc but i got a feeling it has somting to do whit the fact that WoW is so "easy" and by "easy" i mean getting to end game and handeling an endgame guild.

SnaKey · November 2006

That's because WoW isn't a REAL mmo. Yeah, it fits every part of the definition of an mmo, but what it doesn't have is the feeling that we have seen in the MMOs that hooked us. The feeling was created from a community founded on a dynamic changing world, where everything was up to the player, a real virtual community and world. WoW on the other hand is mearly a Game. WoW was created to be nothing more than a game and it turned out to be very successful. WoW is a MMORPG to the fullest definition, but the games we come from, that hooked us in the beginning were really MMORPGWs. (Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Worlds)

Ryot · November 2006

Patheos, I agree, but then I think you should say, if you've only been playing MMOs since 2004, you can't call yourself a veteran yet. Since 2003 would be pushing it, you'd had to have tried out a lot of MMOs since then to qualify as a "veteran" in my book. But anyone who started playing in 2002 or earlier and hasn't stopped playing MMOs all together for an extended amount of time, is at least an experienced player, if not a true veteran, IMO.

Infliction · November 2006

Technically I've been playing MMOs since 1996. But I took a long break from them after 3 years of playing The Realm

Kerbouchard · November 2006

yes

Trinexx · November 2006

Its not really how long you've been playing MMOs, its your experience in them. xD

Anyone that says WoW isn't a real MMO is a true MMOer. xD

Volkmar · November 2006

Originally posted by SnaKey

That's because WoW isn't a REAL mmo. Yeah, it fits every part of the definition of an mmo, but what it doesn't have is the feeling that we have seen in the MMOs that hooked us. The feeling was created from a community founded on a dynamic changing world, where everything was up to the player, a real virtual community and world. WoW on the other hand is mearly a Game. WoW was created to be nothing more than a game and it turned out to be very successful. WoW is a MMORPG to the fullest definition, but the games we come from, that hooked us in the beginning were really MMORPGWs. (Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Worlds)

pretty lofty definition here. And where are those "MMO that hooked us" and why people are not playing them?

I can count virtual worlds on a single hand. Ultima Online, Star Wars Galaxies, EVE online. THOSE are the only virtual worlds around (maybe Ryzom, know too little about that one), so you were talking about these 3 titles or what?

Apocalyptica · November 2006

It is not how long you have been playing mmorpg's or mmo's, it is the passion you have for them. Simple as that

WendoXXX · November 2006

Originally posted by Apocalyptica
It is not how long you have been playing mmorpg's or mmo's, it is the passion you have for them. Simple as that

That was what i was trying to say but it took me like 10 lines more

Zorvan · November 2006

Originally posted by SnaKey
That's because WoW isn't a REAL mmo. Yeah, it fits every part of the definition of an mmo, but what it doesn't have is the feeling that we have seen in the MMOs that hooked us. The feeling was created from a community founded on a dynamic changing world, where everything was up to the player, a real virtual community and world. WoW on the other hand is mearly a Game. WoW was created to be nothing more than a game and it turned out to be very successful. WoW is a MMORPG to the fullest definition, but the games we come from, that hooked us in the beginning were really MMORPGWs. (Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Worlds)

It's because WoW was designed as a singleplayer game as far as mechanics and gameplay. You can play with others, but there is no real incentive to do so. However, even in WoW, you can find some new players that do enjoy the ability to play and interact with other people (outside of chatting and dancing naked for coin). They are the ones who end up going to better games and play mmorpgs that fit the title, not just the requirements. As far as veteran status goes, I've been playing since before UO (muds) and have continuosly played one or another mmorpg since then. Over 10+ years, so I think I qualify. However, the privelage of "true mmo player" status is more based on the person, not the amount of time played.

nomadian · November 2006

I would say if you have experience of mmorpgs other than just WoW or Guild Wars, then you're more of a veteran.

Gameloading · November 2006

Originally posted by SnaKey

That's because WoW isn't a REAL mmo. Yeah, it fits every part of the definition of an mmo, but what it doesn't have is the feeling that we have seen in the MMOs that hooked us. The feeling was created from a community founded on a dynamic changing world, where everything was up to the player, a real virtual community and world. WoW on the other hand is mearly a Game. WoW was created to be nothing more than a game and it turned out to be very successful. WoW is a MMORPG to the fullest definition, but the games we come from, that hooked us in the beginning were really MMORPGWs. (Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Worlds)

I disagree with that. WoW is in many ways similair to Everquest. Everquest isn't doesn't offer a dynamic changing world either, or at least not anymore then WoW, yet nobody will deny that Everquest is one of the MMORPG's that started it all, a REAL mmo. I see no reason why WoW shouldn't be a REAL mmo.

exanimo · November 2006

Originally posted by WendoXXX
I would say that it dosent matter if u have been playing since UO or if u just been playing Archlord. I belive its in the mind of the player u should gudge w/e he is a "true mmo person" or not.... whatever that now would be. Iv meet 14 year old boys who are playing there first mmo and where way more dedicated, skilled and whit a understanding of mmos then players i know been playing for years.

/clap

this was what i tryed to say long time ago with my 14 years old guild , some old vets that played 257 mmos since 1993 with 300 bits modems , cant fit in a game comunity as some new players can.

i played FPS / RTS all my life , when i start playing mmos , took me about 6 months to start fiting in the game comunity system , to learn what i should learn to fit in. this part of the mmos is at least as hard as the game content imo , the social part its something experience helps , but if you dont put your selfe in to it , you never really feel the mmo part of the game * coff *

guildwars is doing something amazing impov, the first and second chapters , it was human grouping oriented , you could play with henchs , but those suced and were boring . so people learnd to group with humans and take the best out of it , with voice chat , team builds , spike trainings etc

now comes the 3rd chapter , hero system , people now will spend most of the time seting up heros and becoming better and better on soloing everything , even the hall of heros , we already see some people hard to beat doing heroway.

what does this do to the comunity grouping system ?

the reason for grouping will change.
people will eventualy learn all professions , becose heros are all preofessions and you need to set them up.

this bring the all skills knolage to pve -> that will lead to pvp. why ? becose when a casual pve player becomes so good at hero seting , he goes to the hall of heros fearless to pwn some pvp elite guys

nomadian · November 2006

I disagree with that. WoW is in many ways similair to Everquest. Everquest isn't doesn't offer a dynamic changing world either, or at least not anymore then WoW, yet nobody will deny that Everquest is one of the MMORPG's that started it all, a REAL mmo. I see no reason why WoW shouldn't be a REAL mmo.

WoW is a real mmo but there is a huge difference between EQ and WoW which people who played EQ for 5 minutes would not understand. I don't know how much you played of EQ but you show so much naivety on the subject which you don't seem to appreciate or understand. WoW and EQ were 2 DIFFERENT experiences.
Your sig is probably telling the reason you play mmorpgs is vastly different from someone who played EQ, SWG or maybe even Ryzom. Your longing is the 'twitch' desire, but there are a whole load of qualities other mmorpgers look for. It is probably why you come along with ridiculous statements like WoW is the best mmorpg. You just don't appreciate they're different.

shae · November 2006

Elitism sucks.. sorry =(.

I've been playing MMO's since I was in grade school, now my neice is 15, she started really getting into gaming about 2 years ago and finally she started with WoW last year and moved on to EQ2 and MxO; and really, she's an exceptional player.

She has a very annalitical mind and can pick appart an MMO and has a blast doing it, she can pvp & pve with the best of them and the girl is a beast when it comes to CS:Source and BF2. She's as true a Gamer as I know and I'd pitty anyone who told her in person that she wasn't a "true" mmo gamer because she hasn't been into it for over 6 years.

Jade6 · November 2006

Agreed, this whole "mmo person" elite club idea sucks.

tigris67 · November 2006

I started in 2000 with Everquest and I do consider myself a Veteran. I mean I have 6, almost 7 years under my belt and I have been visiting this site, every single day for the past year(since I found it). I don't understand why I couldn't be considered one.

nomadian · November 2006

I don't think the OP was perhaps particular in what he meant. He was trying to draw a distinction. The same distinction that perhaps could be applied to music, could be applied to another genre of games. Basically the distinction of someone being a hobbiest or maybe even a fanatic. Certainly that seems to be a trait of many 'mmorpgers' who come here as being perhaps fanatics of the genre. The same way for instance, there could be a person that went to their own sport's hometeam everygame and someone who maybe just goes to see the odd cup final. Or maybe someone who has accrued collections of maybe popular music over the last 50 years and someone who has just played the one. Yeah it probably is a subjective-based elitism, but it is a distinction that can also be seen with other types of interests.

patheos · November 2006

Just trying to spark conversation that isnt political based.

Liddokun · November 2006

Well ... I started playing online RPGs back in 1992... back then they were called MUDs (Multi User Dungeons). They aren't exactly MASSIVELY Multiuser in the sense that at most only a hundred or so people play at the same time (back then bandwidth IS very EXPENSIVE) to be able to support a hundred user at once you need at least a T1 connection and those cost a small fortune back in 1992. But it IS a fun and exciting new world then and everything is in text and you gotta use your imagination to picture the strange new world you are in.

Aelfinn · November 2006

Time is not a good indicator for MMORPG experience, at least not on its own.

I don't generally like this kind of ruling, but perhaps instead an indicator based on games the person has played?

Joliust · November 2006

I don't know. I think you can tell who is a vet just by talking to them. Personally I didn't consider myself a vet until I had been playing MMOs for 3-4 years and had played several mmos.

MMO vet is a state of mind and not something you can put numbers on. I have nothing against people we started playing MMOs in WoW, I myself enjoyed the game. However, I think you need to play a couple mmos after a few years before you really are a vet.

Maybe a vet is someone who can look back and miss the games and people he/she use to play with.

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