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Suggestions to Improve SWG (Edited: Changing Tactics)

BissrokBissrok Member Posts: 1,002
After playing the game for several weeks, I noticed a few problems. Blah, blah, blah.

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(Note: The "you" in this rant is directed to the devs, not you. Well, sometimes it's you, sometimes it's them. Just look at the context and figure it out for yourself)

I’ve been around since launch. I
know you’re not listening and I know you don’t care. I accept that. It’s just
who you are. And, when one of the mods reads this, regardless of their own
rules, I’m sure I’ll earn myself a ban that’s longer than my subscription.
Which brings me to my first point:





1)
Learn the difference between trolling and a valid customer complaint: “PRE-CU
FTW!!!” is trolling. “I put in a year's worth of work and spent $280 on your
game and you throw all of it away on a whim? That makes me angry” is a valid
complaint. And what about those of us who had seven accounts? If they’ve given
you over a thousand dollars, shouldn’t they at least be allowed to voice their
opinion? Why are they foced to troll MMORPG.com? They’re angry, sure. But you
were expecting them to be.





We’re paying customers –treat us a
little respect. The trolling wouldn’t be a problem if you had done that in the
first place.





 





2) Bring the game back to being a world sim:  This whole
“generic clone of every other MMO on the market with a Star Wars skin” thing
you’ve got going on just isn’t working. Why did people like the old system? It
was deep, complex, and you were free to do your own thing. Everyone was
different and everything was interdependent.





Who are you appealing to? Everyone
who cares about Star Wars already tried the game out years ago. The casual
gamers browsing the MMO sites will me scared off by all the hatred towards the
game and this company. The WoW crowd’s not going to try this. Most leave
because their game’s too simple. This game’s less complex, easier, buggier,
laggier and less populated.





For you kids, a “world simulation”
doesn’t mean boring, complex work. Honestly, every aspect of the game was
better:





-Combat: It was much more intense.
Dozens of states, balanced professions, harder enemies and wounds to punish you
for getting hit too often. Having to run out to your corpse in your underwear
also helped to teach you life’s most important lesson (don’t die). And it made
a hell of a lot more sense –You are cloned, not your items.





-Crafting: Eveyone depended on the
crafters for everything. They were the core of the game.





-Bounty Hunters: Back when Jedi’s
had perma death (and it meant something to be a Jedi), you could be sure that
when you finally managed to kill your target, you probably made that player
cry.





-Medics/Entertainers: Were both
heavily depended upon. Not only did they heal wounds, but they brought the
community together.





-GCW: I've never seen two sides hate
each other than much the two factions did during the pre-CU days. Even in real
life.  Large scale, unplanned PvP battles broke out every night. And it
almost always started with raiding a player base. Mention that you were an Imp.
in a Rebel cantina and it'd get ugly, real fast.





-No Legacy Quests: You weren’t stuck
in a linear story. You were free to live your own life. If you wanted to craft
high end weapons and hunt down Jedi with them, you could.  Want to take
rancor DNA and make powerful, neon orange durnys to kill rebels with? You could
do that as well. Feel like soloing on Endor? You’d make XP just as fast, so
have at it. And, even if you made a new character, doing the same profession
you’ve done before, you could be sure that you were in for a completely
different experience.





 





3)
Your target audience: At the moment you’ve got hardcore RPers, disgruntled vets
who claim to only stay because of their friends… and then you’ve got kids.
Bunches and bunches of kids. And that’s your target audience. The WoW kiddies
who only want to “loot, kill, repeat” and can’t be bothered to think.





But, do you know anything about
these kids? You don’t have a unique system. All you’ve got is a level grind and
a PvP system with no penalties. Even if you managed to tap into that mythical
“WoW market”, how long do you think they’re going to stay? A month? Two? They
have no loyalty to the game. When all MMOs on the market are alike, there’s
nothing to inspire it these days. In the end, they’re guaranteed to move on to
the next game once they get bored. They’re not a group you should be dependent
on.





We were the ones that stayed around
for years. And, better yet, we were the ones that buy Playstations, TVs and
will buy a game based on the brand.  At the moment your not getting the
huge crowds, you’re just getting normal kids.





And if you’re going to throw us to
the wolves, don’t half-a** it. Drop trader, entertainer, medic –Hell, drop
everything but Jedi and Bounty Hunter. Just increase the loot rates and they
won’t mind in the slightest. The second they read that loot’s been increased
and those traders won’t be taking any more of their precious credits, they’ll
be spamming the boards with “DEVS, OMG HAVE MEH BABIES!!!” posts.





 





4)
Crafting/Economy: This has been covered over and over again. It’s useless at
the moment. If you don’t improve their items, get rid of the “no trade”
equipment and add decay, you might as well drop the class and add in NPC
venders.





You had the best crafting system on
the market, don’t waste it.





 





5)
Levels and Classes: Aside from having been done over and over a gain by every
MMO on the market, they just make for a terrible game. Together, they’ve ruined
MMOs. This just sets you on a mindless grind to 90. What else is there to do?
The PvP with no penalties?





The reason that doesn’t work should
be obvious. What will you be doing a month from now? I’ll farm for loot, I’ll
fight rebels, maybe I’ll grind a new class to 90.





Ask that question to someone during
the pre-CU days and what would you hear? “I have no idea”.





It takes the thrill out of PvP. It
changes how you look for a group: "Anyone want to go hunting?"
becomes "Any Jedi around level 45 want to run missions?"





Yeah, there were levels before. But
showing them to us changed everything.





 





6)
Tweaks and Revamps: For the love of God, stop revamping everything. Any time a
system‘s needed a few tweaks, you’ve ripped it out and replaced it with
something buggier. And lately the new systems are just buggier version of
what’s in WoW or something that was in the game at launch.





You say the old system would have
taken too much work to balance, when we weren’t asking for balance. We wanted
tweaks. And now it’ll take a year just to get all the classes their expertise
systems (to make things more diverse)? Doesn’t diversity bring up balancing
issues again? Things are horribly unbalanced as it is and they’ll have to wait
a year before everyone’s gotten their expertise system and you can start
working on balancing them? How does this make sense?  You’ve spent all
this time, and even scrapped the old game, trying to balance things, and you’ve
only mananged to make it worse.





Revamps can work, when done
correctly. In fact, you desperately quite a few. But, until you’ve shown that
you can do them correctly, I’d say hold off on them.





If you’re going to ignore that part,
though, at least remember that balancing doesn’t always require nerfs. You
don’t always have to nerf a  good class to match the weakest. Sometimes
it’s better to just improve the weaker class.





 





7)
Particle effects: Is this a low budget rave? No? Then why are there neon
bubbles, fog and strobe lights when I’m fighting? That’s not Star Warsy nor
iconic. That’s not even interesting. Sure, you’ve made the ADD kids happy
(“hey, colors!”) but to everyone else, it just looks ridiculous. Let me turn
them off.





 





8)
Creature Handler: Everyone likes pets. So, by taking them out, you’ve pissed
off everyone. On that note…





 





9)
Stop pissing everybody off: It’s one of the reasons so little people are
playing. Sure, it’s also just not a fun game anymore. But a big part of it’s
word of mouth. You’re one of the most hated companies in the buisness for a
reason.





You threw away all of our time and
progress without an appology or a hint of remorse, you mocked us on TV, and you’ve
lied to us time and time again. You’ve shown, countless times, that you don’t
care what we think and that you’re only out to get our money. And every time
you ban one of us for saying so, we just find a new forum to complain on. And
we get more pissed off listening to other people’s horror stories.





There’s a reason MMORPG.com needs a
“We’re Angry at SOE” thread on every game you’re involved with. And, even with
those, the forums still manage to be covered in posts flaming you guys. You
took the one good MMO on the market, screwed us over and took it away from us
for good. We’re not going to just drop it if you keep ignoring us.





New kids, when you see us vets
flaming SOE, it’s not because we don’t like the NGE. There’s a lot of MMOs we
don’t like. We’re complaining because we got screwed over very, very badly. At
least have some respect for that. We understand that you’re having fun. But
hundreds of thousands of us were treated horribly. To us, we quit to protest,
and you crossed the picket lines.





Just try to understand where we’re
coming from. And understand that they’ll do the same to you without warning,
without appology, and without a second thought. And if you think they’d never
do that to you, remember a few things:





-They said that the CU was here to
stay.





-With a rollback, they could triple
the number of subscribers in about a week.





-Screwing over hundreds of thousands
of players doesn’t seem to bother them in the slightest. They won’t lose any
sleep over eighty thousand or so.





Do you think they like you better,
or are you just being ignorant on purpose? They’ll do it again, because they
haven’t been punished for it. We tried to save other people from this by
protesting this game, by refusing to buy Sony products. What does that say when
you support a company that does this to their customers?





(NOTE: I see the hypocrisy in
yelling at you for subscribing to the same game I’m currently subscribed to.
But after talking about my experience in the game, I’ve managed to convince one
person not to resub. Therefore, my conscious is clear and I can get back up on
my moral high horse)





How is this relevent to the
gameplay? Go to an MMO forum and ask how many people would want to play a game
run by SOE. Their awful reputation shrinks the community which, in turn, ruins
my SWG experience.





 





10) Difficulty: I started a new guy on my first day back. I
played for about two hours. Got to level 17 and was incapped one time. I could
heal myself for 1600 points every couple seconds and my Force Lighting kicked
the s*** out of anything that was stupid enough to fight me. I could kill mobs
three levels higher than me, as long as there were no more than three of them.
I had about 150k credits, two vehicles and two ships.





Where was I two hours into pre-CU
SWG? I was a novice scout, had 250c and I was wandering around Talus, on foot,
completely lost. Eventually I ran into an aggro mob and died.  No one held
your hand and you had to work your a** off to succeed. 





Now, I've played a lot of MMOs in
the last couple years. But this is, by far, the easiest. Even WoW was a lot
harder then this. I’ve played through ¾ of the professions up until about level
30. The only one that was hard to get through was the crafter, and only because
I had no reason to keep grinding out items.





My point: If everyone’s successful
and no one’s had to work for it, there’s nothing to be proud of.





 





11) Focus!: This game still has major problems. Look at the
forums and take a few ideas for once. There’s some great stuff on here. This
game has some crippling problems and the character art’s being updated? You’re
ripping off the WoW PvP ranking system that ripped off yours? You’re screwing
with the inventory?





Time to start doing the job we’re
paying you to do. You can start by fixing the things people are screaming at
you to fix.  Seriously, play this game a little every once and awhile and
you’ll quickly see what’s gone terribly, terribly wrong.





 





12) Wounds: They brought the community together. Crafters/hunters
to harvest the resources, entertainers and doctors to heal. It gives people
some much needed down time. Time to just sit back and talk to your fellow
players.





After all, if you don’t want to talk
and interact with other people, why play an online game? I realize that some of
you new people don’t like to be “forced” to interact with other players. But,
that’s why they have single player games. The rest of us like relying on others
and being relied on. We’re not here to play “alone, together”.





Oh, and it gives the entertainers
and medics a purpose in the game.





 





13) Diversity: 95% of the people I met yesterday were Jedi who
had put all their expertise points into healing. Half used guns, half used
melee weapons. Is that the diversity you’ve been praising?





 





14) Jedi: Devs, pull your heads out of your a**es. Did you see
thousands of Jedi running around in the original trilogy? Did you see any
dueling in the starports? Did you see any, aside from the main characters? Did
you hear the “all but extinct” line? Is this “Star Wars: The Parallel Universe”
in which millions of inferior Jedi clones were produced? No. No, it’s not.





Sure, “it’s just a game”. And you
really, really want to run around with your Jedi, so you can show off your
lightsaber. Well… Too God***n bad. The rest of us understand that the Star Wars
galaxy doesn’t revolve around twelve year olds screaming “PWN” at each other.





Plus, what’s the appeal of being a
Jedi if your just as powerful as your average medic? (Sure, you’re stronger
now, but people have assured me that after all the expertise are in place,
every class will be perfectly balanced)





I know, I know, who gives a s**t
about gamplay –“it sells boxes”. But, log in to any city in the game, on any
server... I don't think that plan worked out too well.





In the beginning, a lot of us were
hoping that, one day we could be one of the elite. But only if we worked hard,
put in a lot of hours and figured out the mystery. “What was the mystery?”, the
youngins might ask. It was unlocking the Force Sensitive slot, when it had
never been done before and we were given no hints. So, we worked hard to piece
together the clues. This was the sole reason some of stayed. Blindly hoping to
become the first Jedi. Someone who could single-handedly change the fate of their
server (or so we had hoped).





Now when anyone thinks of “Jedi”
they think of a kid running his mouth on the forums or that endless slapfight
they’ve gotten into with the bounty hunters.





 





15) Temporary Enemy Flags: Bring back TEFs. If this a war, and
someone walks up and shoots a stormtrooper, I would know that he’s an enemy of
the Empire. Don’t want to flagged as an enemy? Stop killing our soldiers.





 





16) Legacy Quests: Fantastic rewards and experience (about five
times as much as you’d get from a terminal). In fact, they’re so good, that you
really have no choice but do them. Oh, and they’re mind numbingly boring. Keep
in mind, I ran missions from the terminals non-stop for months at a time. And,
yes, this is worse. Plus, isn’t this supposed to be my story? My adventure? Why
am I doing the same thing as everyone else (Excluding crafters and
entertainers. None of which have ever left a legacy)?





 





17) The UI/Targeting System: It’s just clumsy mess. I’ve had to
remap half the controls and get a mod to fix the UI. It’s still worse than what
we had before.





 





18) Houses and Maintenance: Last time I played, house
maintenance ran off of the bank. And, even when it ran out, the houses stayed
around.  Switch it back to the old way (where you'd manually put the money
into your house), so that they run out quicker. And put a lower cap on it,
maybe two or three months worth. This way, they’ve got a few months to resub
and put a little more money in. If anything, a friend could keep the house
going for them.





From what I hear, SOE’s worried
about people getting pissed about losing their houses and never wanting to
subscribe again. Guys, trust me, that’s not what were concerned about. That’s
not even on the radar. We’re begging you to wipe everything and rollback. And,
even if we resub in a moment of weakness, we’re not thinking about our house.
We’re thinking about how great the game used to be. You’re just pissing off
your current subscribers.





 





19) Instant Travel: Sure, it works with the current system. Why
wait around at spaceports when there’s no one else around and the game’s
focused on constant, mindless action? Well, again, you need to move away from
that. And if you do that, the people come back. Add back ten minute wait times
–even for your own ships. (New guys: Your chances of having to actually wait
the full ten minutes were very low)





You could use a little down time.
You don’t need to be constantly shooting things, or driving to shoot things.
It’s nice to have some downtime. Time to socialize with your fellow players.
Everyone’s got stories about the great people they’ve met at the spaceport.





Oh, and yes, you were forced to just
stand there and wait for no reason at all. And, like camps, we thought it was
fun.





 





20) Where the **** Did My Scout Go?: There were a lot of people
who played scouts in the begining. Camping in the middle of nowhere, trapping
creatures, harvesting skin and bones... It was the "adventurer"
profession and the massive planets filled with new and dangerous wildlife just
begged to be explored. Why would you just assume that we wouldn’t want to play
as one anymore? And harvesting’s gone, too? Is it that big of a hassle to stop
and think about which resource you want to harvest? Why am I looting bone and
laser sights off of a lizard?





If you’re going to dumb it down and
disregard logic, drop loot altogether and have a system where, everytime I kill
something, I have a chance of wining some uber weapon that’s set to my current
level. (NOTE: That was sarcasm)





 





21) The Action Icons: They look ridiculous.





 





22) PvE: It's incredibly easy, boring and bugged. Why is
everyone twitching and running circles around me like hyper squirrels? Why can
enemies still shoot through solid objects? Why can they run through objects and
hide in them? Why can they be running down a hall one second, and reappear
behind you the next? Why aren’t my specials firing? Why wasn’t this s***
working from the begining?





 





23) New, Old Content: What’s with all the people thanking the
devs for bringing back double layer hotbars? Where the hell have you been?
“OMG! They went out of their way to bring back resizable radar… Even though
they went out of their way to take it out in the first place.”





We’re supposed to pay them to break
parts of the game, pay them while they sit around and tell us that we didn’t
like the old system, pay them to bring back a broken version of what we had
before, pay them to fix it and then thank them for it?





Is this some sort of psychological game
that you're using to trick them into giving us a rollback? Flame them when they
add new content, praise them when they bring back an old system?





How do you justify sticking around
from month to month when it’s this obvious that they don’t give a **** about
fixing the game and they only want to milk you for as long as they can, without
doing any real work?





 





24) “Playing alone, alone”: I played on Bria and Ahazi during
the last month. No amount of BS can get you passed the fact that there’s just
no one around anymore. Mos Eisley’s got a few people. Every other city, on
every other server, is just empty. How is this a constructive criticism? Well,
it could easily be fixed by following suggestions #1-23. The community was a
huge part of the game for nearly everyone who played back then. I’d say it’s a
problem worth looking into.





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I know this isn’t the same game
anymore. And I’m treating it that way. The problem is, by itself, this is
garbage. Much worse than WoW or EQII. The only thing saving this game is the IP
and the old game’s legacy. Sure, it’s improved since the NGE was released. But,
how difficult is that? They honestly could have done anything, even pull the
plug, and the game would have improved dramatically.





Kids, devs, we’re not doing all this
because we hate change. The old game just worked better. It brought in more
subscribers and less people complained.  I know the old system didn’t feel
“Star Warsy” to some of you. But, rest assured, we didn’t need to be saved my
Han, chased by Vader or helping out Watto to know that we were in the Star Wars
universe.  And sure, it was complicated. But I was a sixteen year old kid
who had never played an MMO before, and I got the hang of things quick enough.
Simple might draw people in easier, but complicated keeps them around for a lot
longer.





Final Point: The game’s not “doing better” and it’s not “making
progress”. It’s gut shot and simply delusional. Time to seek help or simply lie
down and die.


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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182


    Originally posted by Bissrok
    I’ve been around since launch. I
    know you’re not listening and I know you don’t care. I accept that. It’s just
    who you are. And, when one of the mods reads this, regardless of their own
    rules, I’m sure I’ll earn myself a ban that’s longer than my subscription.
    Which brings me to my first point:










    1)
    Learn the difference between trolling and a valid customer complaint: “PRE-CU
    FTW!!!” is trolling. “I put in a year's worth of work and spent $280 on your
    game and you throw all of it away on a whim? That makes me angry” is a valid
    complaint. And what about those of us who had seven accounts? If they’ve given
    you over a thousand dollars, shouldn’t they at least be allowed to voice their
    opinion? Why are they foced to troll MMORPG.com? They’re angry, sure. But you
    were expecting them to be. 








    We’re paying customers –treat us a
    little respect. The trolling wouldn’t be a problem if you had done that in the
    first place.








     








    2) Bring the game back to being a world sim:  This whole
    “generic clone of every other MMO on the market with a Star Wars skin” thing
    you’ve got going on just isn’t working. Why did people like the old system? It
    was deep, complex, and you were free to do your own thing. Everyone was
    different and everything was interdependent. 



    I
    don't know about everyone being different .This was an issue that was
    definitely server reliant . The more PVP oriented the server the more
    often you would find a number of fotm's (so to speak) . What there was
    more of was classes , This really dosen't mean everyone is different .
    There are  just more builds to choose from .


    But if we look at the old profesion system and player choice involved
    most players went with what they viewed as strong . A pvp oriented
    player most likely would  go with a combat /doc template /High focus of
    Saber and Healing if jedi .

     A Pve oriented player  usually had Master brawler /pikes /Swords or fencer or tk thrown in somewhere .


    IMO this does create a problem , With overpowered characters . Not
    necassarily from a pvp stand point . But from a Player vs World
    perspective .By creating a harder world you screw the casual crowd ,
    Who doesn't spend all day becoming as strong as possible .Yet no action creates a vaccum of boredom for those hardcore players . IMO it's a no win situation . 

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • bedolla3401bedolla3401 Member Posts: 293


    Originally posted by Bissrok

    I'm not sure if I've posted this on here before or not.... Oh well! I guess it couldn't hurt to post it again. This seems to be the right place, as it's a review of the current game.

    Anyway, I was playing SWG a few weeks ago, and there were a few things that troubled me. To make a long story short, everything. If you're new or thinking of returning, that's all you need to know. Seriously, that's it. The game is not fun. Some disagree, but 99% of the peope who play MMOs and like Star Wars agree. As a Star Wars fan, and as a gamer, I tell you the experience was depressing.

    Quick summary: Servers are empty, PvP's pointless, PvE's broken, it takes place is an alternate Star Wars universe and they make it harder to roleplay with every chapter. There is nothing in here for anyone.

    If you're looking for more detailed information, you're in luck! I just happen to have a copy of the ridiculously long rant I posted on the official boards. Enjoy!

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    (Note: The "you" in this rant is directed to the devs, not you. Well, sometimes it's you, sometimes it's them. Just look at the context and figure it out for yourself)


    I’ve been around since launch. I know you’re not listening and I know you don’t care. I accept that. It’s just who you are. And, when one of the mods reads this, regardless of their own rules, I’m sure I’ll earn myself a ban that’s longer than my subscription. Which brings me to my first point:

    1) Learn the difference between trolling and a valid customer complaint: “PRE-CU FTW!!!” is trolling. “I put in a year's worth of work and spent $280 on your game and you throw all of it away on a whim? That makes me angry” is a valid complaint. And what about those of us who had seven accounts? If they’ve given you over a thousand dollars, shouldn’t they at least be allowed to voice their opinion? Why are they foced to troll MMORPG.com? They’re angry, sure. But you were expecting them to be.

    We’re paying customers –treat us a little respect. The trolling wouldn’t be a problem if you had done that in the first place.

    2) Bring the game back to being a world sim:  This whole “generic clone of every other MMO on the market with a Star Wars skin” thing you’ve got going on just isn’t working. Why did people like the old system? It was deep, complex, and you were free to do your own thing. Everyone was different and everything was interdependent.

    Who are you appealing to? Everyone who cares about Star Wars already tried the game out years ago. The casual gamers browsing the MMO sites will me scared off by all the hatred towards the game and this company. The WoW crowd’s not going to try this. Most leave because their game’s too simple. This game’s less complex, easier, buggier, laggier and less populated.

    For you kids, a “world simulation” doesn’t mean boring, complex work. Honestly, every aspect of the game was better:

    -Combat: It was much more intense. Dozens of states, balanced professions, harder enemies and wounds to punish you for getting hit too often. Having to run out to your corpse in your underwear also helped to teach you life’s most important lesson (don’t die). And it made a hell of a lot more sense –You are cloned, not your items.

    -Crafting: Eveyone depended on the crafters for everything. They were the core of the game.

    -Bounty Hunters: Back when Jedi’s had perma death (and it meant something to be a Jedi), you could be sure that when you finally managed to kill your target, you probably made that player cry.

    -Medics/Entertainers: Were both heavily depended upon. Not only did they heal wounds, but they brought the community together.

    -GCW: I've never seen two sides hate each other than much the two factions did during the pre-CU days. Even in real life.  Large scale, unplanned PvP battles broke out every night. And it almost always started with raiding a player base. Mention that you were an Imp. in a Rebel cantina and it'd get ugly, real fast.

    -No Legacy Quests: You weren’t stuck in a linear story. You were free to live your own life. If you wanted to craft high end weapons and hunt down Jedi with them, you could.  Want to take rancor DNA and make powerful, neon orange durnys to kill rebels with? You could do that as well. Feel like soloing on Endor? You’d make XP just as fast, so have at it. And, even if you made a new character, doing the same profession you’ve done before, you could be sure that you were in for a completely different experience.

    3) Your target audience: At the moment you’ve got hardcore RPers, disgruntled vets who claim to only stay because of their friends… and then you’ve got kids. Bunches and bunches of kids. And that’s your target audience. The WoW kiddies who only want to “loot, kill, repeat” and can’t be bothered to think.

    But, do you know anything about these kids? You don’t have a unique system. All you’ve got is a level grind and a PvP system with no penalties. Even if you managed to tap into that mythical “WoW market”, how long do you think they’re going to stay? A month? Two? They have no loyalty to the game. When all MMOs on the market are alike, there’s nothing to inspire it these days. In the end, they’re guaranteed to move on to the next game once they get bored. They’re not a group you should be dependent on.

    We were the ones that stayed around for years. And, better yet, we were the ones that buy Playstations, TVs and will buy a game based on the brand.  At the moment your not getting the huge crowds, you’re just getting normal kids.

    And if you’re going to throw us to the wolves, don’t half-a** it. Drop trader, entertainer, medic –Hell, drop everything but Jedi and Bounty Hunter. Just increase the loot rates and they won’t mind in the slightest. The second they read that loot’s been increased and those traders won’t be taking any more of their precious credits, they’ll be spamming the boards with “DEVS, OMG HAVE MEH BABIES!!!” posts.

    4) Crafting/Economy: This has been covered over and over again. It’s useless at the moment. If you don’t improve their items, get rid of the “no trade” equipment and add decay, you might as well drop the class and add in NPC venders.

    You had the best crafting system on the market, don’t waste it.

    5) Levels and Classes: Aside from having been done over and over a gain by every MMO on the market, they just make for a terrible game. Together, they’ve ruined MMOs. This just sets you on a mindless grind to 90. What else is there to do? The PvP with no penalties?

    The reason that doesn’t work should be obvious. What will you be doing a month from now? I’ll farm for loot, I’ll fight rebels, maybe I’ll grind a new class to 90.

    Ask that question to someone during the pre-CU days and what would you hear? “I have no idea”.

    It takes the thrill out of PvP. It changes how you look for a group: "Anyone want to go hunting?" becomes "Any Jedi around level 45 want to run missions?"

    Yeah, there were levels before. But showing them to us changed everything.

    6) Tweaks and Revamps: For the love of God, stop revamping everything. Any time a system‘s needed a few tweaks, you’ve ripped it out and replaced it with something buggier. And lately the new systems are just buggier version of what’s in WoW or something that was in the game at launch.

    You say the old system would have taken too much work to balance, when we weren’t asking for balance. We wanted tweaks. And now it’ll take a year just to get all the classes their expertise systems (to make things more diverse)? Doesn’t diversity bring up balancing issues again? Things are horribly unbalanced as it is and they’ll have to wait a year before everyone’s gotten their expertise system and you can start working on balancing them? How does this make sense?  You’ve spent all this time, and even scrapped the old game, trying to balance things, and you’ve only mananged to make it worse.

    Revamps can work, when done correctly. In fact, you desperately quite a few. But, until you’ve shown that you can do them correctly, I’d say hold off on them.

    If you’re going to ignore that part, though, at least remember that balancing doesn’t always require nerfs. You don’t always have to nerf a  good class to match the weakest. Sometimes it’s better to just improve the weaker class.

    7) Particle effects: Is this a low budget rave? No? Then why are there neon bubbles, fog and strobe lights when I’m fighting? That’s not Star Warsy nor iconic. That’s not even interesting. Sure, you’ve made the ADD kids happy (“hey, colors!”) but to everyone else, it just looks ridiculous. Let me turn them off.

    8) Creature Handler: Everyone likes pets. So, by taking them out, you’ve pissed off everyone. On that note…

    9) Stop pissing everybody off: It’s one of the reasons so little people are playing. Sure, it’s also just not a fun game anymore. But a big part of it’s word of mouth. You’re one of the most hated companies in the buisness for a reason.

    You threw away all of our time and progress without an appology or a hint of remorse, you mocked us on TV, and you’ve lied to us time and time again. You’ve shown, countless times, that you don’t care what we think and that you’re only out to get our money. And every time you ban one of us for saying so, we just find a new forum to complain on. And we get more pissed off listening to other people’s horror stories.

    There’s a reason MMORPG.com needs a “We’re Angry at SOE” thread on every game you’re involved with. And, even with those, the forums still manage to be covered in posts flaming you guys. You took the one good MMO on the market, screwed us over and took it away from us for good. We’re not going to just drop it if you keep ignoring us.

    New kids, when you see us vets flaming SOE, it’s not because we don’t like the NGE. There’s a lot of MMOs we don’t like. We’re complaining because we got screwed over very, very badly. At least have some respect for that. We understand that you’re having fun. But hundreds of thousands of us were treated horribly. To us, we quit to protest, and you crossed the picket lines.

    Just try to understand where we’re coming from. And understand that they’ll do the same to you without warning, without appology, and without a second thought. And if you think they’d never do that to you, remember a few things:

    -They said that the CU was here to stay.

    -With a rollback, they could triple the number of subscribers in about a week.

    -Screwing over hundreds of thousands of players doesn’t seem to bother them in the slightest. They won’t lose any sleep over eighty thousand or so.

    Do you think they like you better, or are you just being ignorant on purpose? They’ll do it again, because they haven’t been punished for it. We tried to save other people from this by protesting this game, by refusing to buy Sony products. What does that say when you support a company that does this to their customers?

    (NOTE: I see the hypocrisy in yelling at you for subscribing to the same game I’m currently subscribed to. But after talking about my experience in the game, I’ve managed to convince one person not to resub. Therefore, my conscious is clear and I can get back up on my moral high horse)

    How is this relevent to the gameplay? Go to an MMO forum and ask how many people would want to play a game run by SOE. Their awful reputation shrinks the community which, in turn, ruins my SWG experience.

    10) Difficulty: I started a new guy on my first day back. I played for about two hours. Got to level 17 and was incapped one time. I could heal myself for 1600 points every couple seconds and my Force Lighting kicked the s*** out of anything that was stupid enough to fight me. I could kill mobs three levels higher than me, as long as there were no more than three of them. I had about 150k credits, two vehicles and two ships.

    Where was I two hours into pre-CU SWG? I was a novice scout, had 250c and I was wandering around Talus, on foot, completely lost. Eventually I ran into an aggro mob and died.  No one held your hand and you had to work your a** off to succeed. 

    Now, I've played a lot of MMOs in the last couple years. But this is, by far, the easiest. Even WoW was a lot harder then this. I’ve played through ¾ of the professions up until about level 30. The only one that was hard to get through was the crafter, and only because I had no reason to keep grinding out items.

    My point: If everyone’s successful and no one’s had to work for it, there’s nothing to be proud of.

    11) Focus!: This game still has major problems. Look at the forums and take a few ideas for once. There’s some great stuff on here. This game has some crippling problems and the character art’s being updated? You’re ripping off the WoW PvP ranking system that ripped off yours? You’re screwing with the inventory?

    Time to start doing the job we’re paying you to do. You can start by fixing the things people are screaming at you to fix.  Seriously, play this game a little every once and awhile and you’ll quickly see what’s gone terribly, terribly wrong.

    12) Wounds: They brought the community together. Crafters/hunters to harvest the resources, entertainers and doctors to heal. It gives people some much needed down time. Time to just sit back and talk to your fellow players.

    After all, if you don’t want to talk and interact with other people, why play an online game? I realize that some of you new people don’t like to be “forced” to interact with other players. But, that’s why they have single player games. The rest of us like relying on others and being relied on. We’re not here to play “alone, together”.

    Oh, and it gives the entertainers and medics a purpose in the game.

    13) Diversity: 95% of the people I met yesterday were Jedi who had put all their expertise points into healing. Half used guns, half used melee weapons. Is that the diversity you’ve been praising?

    14) Jedi: Devs, pull your heads out of your a**es. Did you see thousands of Jedi running around in the original trilogy? Did you see any dueling in the starports? Did you see any, aside from the main characters? Did you hear the “all but extinct” line? Is this “Star Wars: The Parallel Universe” in which millions of inferior Jedi clones were produced? No. No, it’s not.

    Sure, “it’s just a game”. And you really, really want to run around with your Jedi, so you can show off your lightsaber. Well… Too God***n bad. The rest of us understand that the Star Wars galaxy doesn’t revolve around twelve year olds screaming “PWN” at each other.

    Plus, what’s the appeal of being a Jedi if your just as powerful as your average medic? (Sure, you’re stronger now, but people have assured me that after all the expertise are in place, every class will be perfectly balanced)

    I know, I know, who gives a s**t about gamplay –“it sells boxes”. But, log in to any city in the game, on any server... I don't think that plan worked out too well.

    In the beginning, a lot of us were hoping that, one day we could be one of the elite. But only if we worked hard, put in a lot of hours and figured out the mystery. “What was the mystery?”, the youngins might ask. It was unlocking the Force Sensitive slot, when it had never been done before and we were given no hints. So, we worked hard to piece together the clues. This was the sole reason some of stayed. Blindly hoping to become the first Jedi. Someone who could single-handedly change the fate of their server (or so we had hoped).

    Now when anyone thinks of “Jedi” they think of a kid running his mouth on the forums or that endless slapfight they’ve gotten into with the bounty hunters.

    15) Temporary Enemy Flags: Bring back TEFs. If this a war, and someone walks up and shoots a stormtrooper, I would know that he’s an enemy of the Empire. Don’t want to flagged as an enemy? Stop killing our soldiers.

    16) Legacy Quests: Fantastic rewards and experience (about five times as much as you’d get from a terminal). In fact, they’re so good, that you really have no choice but do them. Oh, and they’re mind numbingly boring. Keep in mind, I ran missions from the terminals non-stop for months at a time. And, yes, this is worse. Plus, isn’t this supposed to be my story? My adventure? Why am I doing the same thing as everyone else (Excluding crafters and entertainers. None of which have ever left a legacy)?

    17) The UI/Targeting System: It’s just clumsy mess. I’ve had to remap half the controls and get a mod to fix the UI. It’s still worse than what we had before.

    18) Houses and Maintenance: Last time I played, house maintenance ran off of the bank. And, even when it ran out, the houses stayed around.  Switch it back to the old way (where you'd manually put the money into your house), so that they run out quicker. And put a lower cap on it, maybe two or three months worth. This way, they’ve got a few months to resub and put a little more money in. If anything, a friend could keep the house going for them.

    From what I hear, SOE’s worried about people getting pissed about losing their houses and never wanting to subscribe again. Guys, trust me, that’s not what were concerned about. That’s not even on the radar. We’re begging you to wipe everything and rollback. And, even if we resub in a moment of weakness, we’re not thinking about our house. We’re thinking about how great the game used to be. You’re just pissing off your current subscribers.

    19) Instant Travel: Sure, it works with the current system. Why wait around at spaceports when there’s no one else around and the game’s focused on constant, mindless action? Well, again, you need to move away from that. And if you do that, the people come back. Add back ten minute wait times –even for your own ships. (New guys: Your chances of having to actually wait the full ten minutes were very low)

    You could use a little down time. You don’t need to be constantly shooting things, or driving to shoot things. It’s nice to have some downtime. Time to socialize with your fellow players. Everyone’s got stories about the great people they’ve met at the spaceport.

    Oh, and yes, you were forced to just stand there and wait for no reason at all. And, like camps, we thought it was fun.

    20) Where the **** Did My Scout Go?: There were a lot of people who played scouts in the begining. Camping in the middle of nowhere, trapping creatures, harvesting skin and bones... It was the "adventurer" profession and the massive planets filled with new and dangerous wildlife just begged to be explored. Why would you just assume that we wouldn’t want to play as one anymore? And harvesting’s gone, too? Is it that big of a hassle to stop and think about which resource you want to harvest? Why am I looting bone and laser sights off of a lizard?

    If you’re going to dumb it down and disregard logic, drop loot altogether and have a system where, everytime I kill something, I have a chance of wining some uber weapon that’s set to my current level. (NOTE: That was sarcasm)

    21) The Action Icons: They look ridiculous.

    22) PvE: It's incredibly easy, boring and bugged. Why is everyone twitching and running circles around me like hyper squirrels? Why can enemies still shoot through solid objects? Why can they run through objects and hide in them? Why can they be running down a hall one second, and reappear behind you the next? Why aren’t my specials firing? Why wasn’t this s*** working from the begining?

    23) New, Old Content: What’s with all the people thanking the devs for bringing back double layer hotbars? Where the hell have you been? “OMG! They went out of their way to bring back resizable radar… Even though they went out of their way to take it out in the first place.”

    We’re supposed to pay them to break parts of the game, pay them while they sit around and tell us that we didn’t like the old system, pay them to bring back a broken version of what we had before, pay them to fix it and then thank them for it?

    Is this some sort of psychological game that you're using to trick them into giving us a rollback? Flame them when they add new content, praise them when they bring back an old system?

    How do you justify sticking around from month to month when it’s this obvious that they don’t give a **** about fixing the game and they only want to milk you for as long as they can, without doing any real work?

    24) “Playing alone, alone”: I played on Bria and Ahazi during the last month. No amount of BS can get you passed the fact that there’s just no one around anymore. Mos Eisley’s got a few people. Every other city, on every other server, is just empty. How is this a constructive criticism? Well, it could easily be fixed by following suggestions #1-23. The community was a huge part of the game for nearly everyone who played back then. I’d say it’s a problem worth looking into.

     ---------------------------------------------------

    I know this isn’t the same game anymore. And I’m treating it that way. The problem is, by itself, this is garbage. Much worse than WoW or EQII. The only thing saving this game is the IP and the old game’s legacy. Sure, it’s improved since the NGE was released. But, how difficult is that? They honestly could have done anything, even pull the plug, and the game would have improved dramatically.

    Kids, devs, we’re not doing all this because we hate change. The old game just worked better. It brought in more subscribers and less people complained.  I know the old system didn’t feel “Star Warsy” to some of you. But, rest assured, we didn’t need to be saved my Han, chased by Vader or helping out Watto to know that we were in the Star Wars universe.  And sure, it was complicated. But I was a sixteen year old kid who had never played an MMO before, and I got the hang of things quick enough. Simple might draw people in easier, but complicated keeps them around for a lot longer.

    Final Point: The game’s not “doing better” and it’s not “making progress”. It’s gut shot and simply delusional. Time to seek help or simply lie down and die.

    triple the amount in a week, more like in 2 days it would win the comback mmorpg game of the all time award
    triple the amount in a week, more like in 2 days it would win the comback mmorpg game of the all time award
  • DidumdidajDidumdidaj Member Posts: 31

    Go troll somewhere else thx. This is SWG Current.

    /Didumdidaj

  • SODAofBRIASODAofBRIA Member Posts: 351

    Excellent post! I actually read it all! lol

    *****

    Love, Sodapop

  • PraetorianiPraetoriani Member Posts: 1,147
    While I did enjoy reading your post, I felt this was SWG veteran's board material, so I moved it.

    Thank you.


  • iskareotiskareot Member Posts: 2,143


    Originally posted by Praetoriani
    While I did enjoy reading your post, I felt this was SWG veteran's board material, so I moved it.

    Thank you.



    So is this post then not considered "Current" feelings on the game though?    I mean I know this makes the NGE folk worry but this is the way it is for people.

    This person did not lie, act like a jerk, post false feelings or actually did anything wrong by the rules in most respects from what I could see?

    This is a review and input of the current game, I know it's hard to read some of those facts but they are what they are.

    I am sorry that some of the current player base of the NGE cannot hande this, I am sorry they have to see the way some of the real players feel but I think this was not exactly fair to move this post based on the rules.

    Now, Off the record:  If I was a NGEr I would worry, I would read this and take it in.. if I was a new player I would question this before I spend on penny... If I was anyone using common sense at the time of choosing if I should play SWG or not -- I would be very concearned after reading this thats for sure.

    So, I have to wonder -- why this was moved.

    ______________________________
    I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
    SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
    Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1

  • BissrokBissrok Member Posts: 1,002


    Originally posted by Praetoriani
    While I did enjoy reading your post, I felt this was SWG veteran's board material, so I moved it.

    Thank you.




    Why though? It's a current review. There's no reason for it to be in here. It's already been posted in this part of the forum twice. New players or returning vets won't look here. So, ya might as well just delete the thing.

    Let's review the Purpose of the Current Board topic:
    The Purpose of The Current Board

    "This thread was created for members who are interested in this game
    in its current state. That doesn't mean that you have to like the game,
    or say only positive things [I'm obviously interested in the current state of the game]. My intention was to create a place where
    members could come to discuss the game AS IT IS without being
    constantly bombarded with posts about the NGE, CU or the other changes
    that SOE made to this game in the past. [Not talking about the changes they've made, just the changes they should make.]

    The bottom line is that a number of people are extremely upset about
    the changes that were made. We wanted to create an area for them as
    well (hence the other new forum) so that hopefully everyone would have
    a place to go where their voice could be heard. What we are trying to
    avoid is having one side point of view drown out all of the others.
    Regardless of how you or I personally feel about the situation,
    whichever "side" we are on, it's fair to say that everyone deserves a
    reasonable voice [I agree]."

  • GorairGorair Member Posts: 959


    Originally posted by Praetoriani
    While I did enjoy reading your post, I felt this was SWG veteran's board material, so I moved it.

    Thank you.



    All hail mmorpgs version of swgmod001

    If this post isnt the very definition of current i dont know what is. But since it doesnt kiss SOE"S ass it cant be put in th proper place?

    I thuoght you guys here at MMORPG were different that over at SOE.

    guess not.

    So now we can have the same treatment as at offical boards here only we save 15$ a month. Draw back we dont buy SOE products anymore be a shame to have to stop visiting this forum because of the same form of "control what they post so we dont look bad " as SOE practices.

    SO(E) lets be clear here

    the only way to keep a post in current forum it must be:

    1) you must currently play

    2) it must be 100% positive nothing negative you can not disagree with anythign soe says

    3) it must offer to at least once have a devs baby

    4) Approved by pirrg

    5) ______________________________________________________________ ( feel free to add)

    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

  • OssirisWardOssirisWard Member Posts: 74


    Originally posted by Praetoriani
    While I did enjoy reading your post, I felt this was SWG veteran's board material, so I moved it.

    Thank you.


    Move it back please. Censoring what your members read is not cool.

    Bad Praetoriani, bad!

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  • ObraikObraik Member Posts: 7,261


    Originally posted by OssirisWard

    Originally posted by Praetoriani
    While I did enjoy reading your post, I felt this was SWG veteran's board material, so I moved it.

    Thank you.

    Move it back please. Censoring what your members read is not cool.

    Bad Praetoriani, bad!


    How is it censoring?  It wasn't deleted.  It probably has more chances of being read here then it does on the current board since this board is more active.  I'm willing to be most veterans looking to return the game would look at this forum first since it has Veteran in the title.

    Before you ask, no I didn't report it :P  I very rarely report threads...

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  • KzinKillerKzinKiller Member Posts: 625


    Originally posted by Praetoriani
    While I did enjoy reading your post, I felt this was SWG veteran's board material, so I moved it.

    Thank you.




    Really .... Bad ... Show.

    Shame on you MMORPG ... this is a comment by an active player about the current game.  In what possible way does it belong in this forum?

    You're giving a very clear impression of shilling for SOE with something like this, and it's exactly why people were so suspicious of you segregating the General forum in the first place.

    Think about what you're doing ... do you REALLY want your site to be perceived as nothing more than a hack mouthpiece for game developers' Marketing departments?  Want your readership to drop as precipitously as NGE subscriptions did?

    Shame on you, really.  Bad, bad forum administration.  Terrible image for your organization.

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  • TeranHawkinsTeranHawkins Member Posts: 279
    Good post.  Although I disagree with your point on basically not having Jedi.  By making it hard in the initial system of grinding profs to unlock it kept down the number of jedi until the truely dedicated wanted to become Jedi. 
  • nthnaounnthnaoun Member Posts: 1,438
    You forgot to put "Biased Review" in the topic. An unbiased review would take the standpoint of someone who has never played the game or who is used to the WoW type of games. Your review is biased, so it is not worth a grain of salt, except as a topic of discussion for Vets who agree with you anyways.
  • nthnaounnthnaoun Member Posts: 1,438


    Originally posted by KzinKiller

    Originally posted by Praetoriani
    While I did enjoy reading your post, I felt this was SWG veteran's board material, so I moved it.

    Thank you.

    Really .... Bad ... Show.

    Shame on you MMORPG ... this is a comment by an active player about the current game.  In what possible way does it belong in this forum?

    You're giving a very clear impression of shilling for SOE with something like this, and it's exactly why people were so suspicious of you segregating the General forum in the first place.

    Think about what you're doing ... do you REALLY want your site to be perceived as nothing more than a hack mouthpiece for game developers' Marketing departments?  Want your readership to drop as precipitously as NGE subscriptions did?

    Shame on you, really.  Bad, bad forum administration.  Terrible image for your organization.



    It was a biased review of the game. That is why it is more for the Vets. People who never played the game before doesn't really need to know about how good the game was before. The game should be judged on its own merits, as if it was recently released. Because it basically is a new game compared to before.
  • RekrulRekrul Member Posts: 2,961


    Originally posted by nthnaoun
    You forgot to put "Biased Review" in the topic. An unbiased review would take the standpoint of someone who has never played the game or who is used to the WoW type of games. Your review is biased, so it is not worth a grain of salt, except as a topic of discussion for Vets who agree with you anyways.

    "Thinking of Returning? Here's a Recent Review!"

    The review was for returning players.
  • nthnaounnthnaoun Member Posts: 1,438


    Originally posted by Rekrul

    Originally posted by nthnaoun
    You forgot to put "Biased Review" in the topic. An unbiased review would take the standpoint of someone who has never played the game or who is used to the WoW type of games. Your review is biased, so it is not worth a grain of salt, except as a topic of discussion for Vets who agree with you anyways.
    "Thinking of Returning? Here's a Recent Review!"

    The review was for returning players.


    Good point. In that case, it definitely belongs in the Vets forum area.
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182


    Originally posted by nthnaoun

    Originally posted by KzinKiller

    Originally posted by Praetoriani
    While I did enjoy reading your post, I felt this was SWG veteran's board material, so I moved it.

    Thank you.

    Really .... Bad ... Show.

    Shame on you MMORPG ... this is a comment by an active player about the current game.  In what possible way does it belong in this forum?

    You're giving a very clear impression of shilling for SOE with something like this, and it's exactly why people were so suspicious of you segregating the General forum in the first place.

    Think about what you're doing ... do you REALLY want your site to be perceived as nothing more than a hack mouthpiece for game developers' Marketing departments?  Want your readership to drop as precipitously as NGE subscriptions did?

    Shame on you, really.  Bad, bad forum administration.  Terrible image for your organization.



    It was a biased review of the game. That is why it is more for the Vets. People who never played the game before doesn't really need to know about how good the game was before. The game should be judged on its own merits, as if it was recently released. Because it basically is a new game compared to before.

    I wouldn't call it biased , But I do believe it belongs in the veteran section . It isn't really a review if you want to be technical . It really dosen't say much about what SWG currently offers , It points out what was taken away .ANd what the author wants to be  re-implemented .

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • SODAofBRIASODAofBRIA Member Posts: 351


    Originally posted by nthnaoun
    You forgot to put "Biased Review" in the topic. An unbiased review would take the standpoint of someone who has never played the game or who is used to the WoW type of games. Your review is biased, so it is not worth a grain of salt, except as a topic of discussion for Vets who agree with you anyways.


    LOL it's meaningless because the person has played the game before?!?
    WOW, just wow!

    Then the "Current" forum should be changed to the "Nublet" forum.

    This was a bad move by the mod IMO, and only works to fuel the mmorpg/soe conspiracy theories that the admins here say is bs. This review compares and contrasts current and previous gameplay point by point and in great detail.

    Love, Sodapop

  • ReachwindReachwind Member Posts: 275


    Originally posted by nthnaoun
    It was a biased review of the game. That is why it is more for the Vets. People who never played the game before doesn't really need to know about how good the game was before. The game should be judged on its own merits, as if it was recently released. Because it basically is a new game compared to before.


    You're right, there was plenty of bad he could have pointed to without ever comparing SWG to an older version.

    Incomplete expertise. The abandoned housing clogging up the game world. The lack of visible fellow players per server. The trader and entertainer gameplay problems. The new smuggler system's problems. The new GCW additions which cause an endless grind. The prelaunch bugs that are still in the game three years later. The lack of communication from the dev team about the major issues reported by the representitve player community (GS).

    No need to even bother with a comparison to the old SWG game play.

    Former SWG beta tester and player

  • VastarVastar Member Posts: 176


    Originally posted by Praetoriani
    While I did enjoy reading your post, I felt this was SWG veteran's board material, so I moved it.

    Thank you.




     I don't know who is pulling the strings but obviously you're going to have to make some judgement calls with the new forum split up. I'm not saying I could do better or whatever but fortunatley it's not my job to do so. (= Just remember that there's pleanty of gaming sites that arn't worth bothering with already. We really enjoy having this one and value it for the way it stands out from the crowd. Please help preserve that for us.
  • RekrulRekrul Member Posts: 2,961


    Originally posted by nthnaoun

    Originally posted by Rekrul

    Originally posted by nthnaoun
    You forgot to put "Biased Review" in the topic. An unbiased review would take the standpoint of someone who has never played the game or who is used to the WoW type of games. Your review is biased, so it is not worth a grain of salt, except as a topic of discussion for Vets who agree with you anyways.
    "Thinking of Returning? Here's a Recent Review!"

    The review was for returning players.


    Good point. In that case, it definitely belongs in the Vets forum area.


    Nope. It belongs into current, since it's intended for returning players.

    Current - current game - the NGE. It applies to anyone interested into current game, be them vets or new players, anyone who has played before or just joined.

    New player forum - that would be the forum for new players.

    Other issues and bias:
    This thread must be moved to vets forum. It contains a section intended strictly for vets. That section must be removed, or moved into this forum.

    From forum description:


    A place to talk about the game as it is today, for gamers who currently play or are interested in trying it out.
    *Note: RoC will be STRICTLY enforced. Absolutely no trolling, flaming or the like will be tolerated.



    The section in bold applies to returning players as well.

    This section also does not forbid comparing to game as it was. That is just as relevant. It also does not specify the topics. Are you allowed to comment on time before expertise? Before Restuss? Before combat slowdown?


  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182


    Originally posted by Rekrul



    Nope. It belongs into current, since it's intended for returning players.

    Current - current game - the NGE. It applies to anyone interested into current game, be them vets or new players, anyone who has played before or just joined.

    New player forum - that would be the forum for new players.

    Other issues and bias:
    This thread must be moved to vets forum. It contains a section intended strictly for vets. That section must be removed, or moved into this forum.

    From forum description:


    A place to talk about the game as it is today, for gamers who currently play or are interested in trying it out.
    *Note: RoC will be STRICTLY enforced. Absolutely no trolling, flaming or the like will be tolerated.



    The section in bold applies to returning players as well.

    This section also does not forbid comparing to game as it was. That is just as relevant. It also does not specify the topics. Are you allowed to comment on time before expertise? Before Restuss? Before combat slowdown?




    Yeah but a review of the current game should atleast tell you about the current game . This post although very well written , Does not do that . It as the op even said himself when originally writing it, was a rant .It does not give a proper view of the current game as to describe its gameplay or features . It tells you what they took away and have not reimplemented .

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • BissrokBissrok Member Posts: 1,002

    Hmmm... Should have thought this one out more. Should have called it "Suggestions to Improve Gameplay" and ditched the new opening. It really doesn't have anything to do with a review, so I'm not sure why I tried that angle. Guess I was just tired.

    Enh, there's always next time.

    EDIT: Oh, I can edit the title. Neat. Let's see if this helps...



  • SonOfAGhostSonOfAGhost Member Posts: 383


    Originally posted by Praetoriani

    While I did enjoy reading your post, I felt this was SWG veteran's board material, so I moved it.Thank you.


    This is a thread about the current game and belongs in that forum.

    Edit for non-standard forum.

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182


    Originally posted by Bissrok
    Hmmm... Should have thought this one out more. Should have called it "Suggestions to Improve Gameplay" and ditched the new opening. It really doesn't have anything to do with a review, so I'm not sure why I tried that angle. Guess I was just tired.

    Enh, there's always next time.




    Meh no biggie , Its a very well written article . And does what it set out to do , Explain why so many are not pleased with the current game .

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


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