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Epic battles
JackBauer24
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What do they mean by "Epic Battles" sounds pretty awsome I hope that that means MASSIVE MASSIVE WAVES of troops rushing torwards each other only to colide into one huge battle. I'm talking Rome battles or Lord of the Rings battles. I dont like 5vs5 ok thats good and all but if I had to choose go for the 1000vs1000 lol and none of you say "But the lag" cause it wont happen and if it does dont buy the game and buy a better computer.
I want BIG $(# BATTLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!. 
I'll do anything.
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I think it may depend I know sometimes when there is a high concentration of players in an area not all of their avatars are visible till you get near them but that's stupid anyways. Maybe it's just my pc but i've seen this in a few games. 1000 is way too many you'd crash the server before anyone could land a blow.
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With the Normal Mapping type of graphics that AoC has, it'll be impossible for the best system to see 1000 PCs onscreen at once.
I doubt we'll see any kind of scale like this with normal mapping. It's just too graphics intensive.
When they went the direction of normal mapping the characters, they sacrificed epic battles.
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Epic battles the size of which you speak are also known by another name:
"ZoneCrashServerCrashServerReset"
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You are correct 100% there. We have to remember that this game will support DX10 and Windows Vista. They already said with DX10 support, the game will have a lot more on screen then a DX9 user. "A lot more on the screen" meaning their "draw" distance will be able to see farther then DX9. More dense woods, etc.
Should be pretty cool to see it running on DX10 and Vista when they work out a lot of the hardware/software bugs in the first few months.
Funcom has successfully managed about 500 characters onscreen without a server crash, that was in Anarchy Online, using 5 year old server technology. Granted, several of those players had their own computer go link dead...
In any case, from what i have seen, the massive battles may field between 50 and 400 characters.
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A lot of people still think hardware can't do these types of things, but it's 2006 people with the game not coming out untill 2007.
There's already some very awesome hardware out there, and new hardware being made each month. I wouldn't be shocked to see some crazy "epic" size events in any next gen. MMORPG that's coming out.
Are you saying that Age of Conan could be this "next gen game" cause that would be awsome.
ONe more question----
Is it possible to put "next gen technology" in a game that doesnt have it.
For example: This new tech came out and theres no lag can I put that in an exixting MMO that doesnt have that?
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Just a little daydreaming:
1000 vs 1000 guys, with proper hierarchy and command... deployment, unit formations, high level tactics, timing, use of terrain, missile/chavalry/infantry... and fierce man-to-man fighting
some sort of sophisticated RomeTotalWar-like battles, where every pawn is a PC...
that's what I'd call a proper massive battle
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
I think this is what hes saying and if hes not heres what I'm saying.
I think you should be able to work your way up to from a "pawn" to a "king" know what im saying. As for regular "pawns" why they can be NPC's with high AI (if that makes sense) and like when tech improves, 1000 NPCS vs 1000 NPCs (And of course real people too)
Note: 1000vs1000 PvP/NPC
Note P.S.:(If that makes sense lol)
Hold up, Rome total war is an RTS game, in it you can control hundreds of soldiers at once. The pawns he is reffering to are those soldiers. The connection here is the scope of the battle, thousands of men facing off using every tactical advantage they can get. The difference is instead of pawns being controlled by one or two players, each unit is a player himself able to make decisions
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Yes, Aelfinn understood what I meant.
So, we want epic battles, but 1000 generals vs 1000 generals doesn't make much sense. If a battle is epic, it is huge. And I'd like to be part of it, even if I'm one of those little tiny pawns. My unit will receive orders, the unit as a whole will obey them, and every single player in the unit will have to do its share, may it be fight in close combat, manouver, outflank, hold the line, charge, fire volleys... whatever!
Without hierarchy, you just get a (really big) bunch of toons fighting each other, rather blindly.
The good news is that there are so many MMOs out there... sure every one can find its own!!!! I think I will find mine when Aoc or WAR come out...
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I can understand that for some they like such a thing. But really how many people want to be a private? Which is what easily 60-70% of the people involed in such an activity would. The ladder-like hierarchy also virtually guarantee that most people will never "advance" to general or captain or whatever. The pyramidal hierarchy means most people are doomed to be permanent enlisted men and most people at the top are loathe to give up power.
I understand exactly what you are talking about and I am skeptical that any significant number of people want to be placed in that situation for any length of time. Who wants to be a peasant or a peasant levy or a draftee? Who wants to be on the bottom? No one. Why would the people at the top (who would be like 10% of the population) allow those at the bottom to gain power and displace them as commanders? They won't.
A line of poorly dressed but heavily painted highlanders wait for a charging heavy cavalry...
THe leader of the highlander band growls "WAAAAIIIITTTT"...
... cavalry is charging ...
"WAAAAAAAAAIIIITTTTTT"
.. cavalry is still charging, some heavy music is playing in the background raising the anticipation of the massive armie's collision...
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIITTTTTTTTT"
... the band of highlanders nervously looks around for possible cover...
the leader of the band suddenly shouts "NOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW" drops his weapons and picks up a long long long pike hidden in the grass... his soldiers follow in his example...
Skip to the end, the leader of the band with half of his face painted in blue looks around the battlefield and shouts/roars a victory roar.
That is an epic battle IMHO.
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