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MA 21+ MMORPG - Is it time for this?

ext1ext1 Member Posts: 98

I know this wouldn't be a 100% catch all, but it would/might filter out some of the current trends in MMO players we see today.  Please game producers:  Develop a mature audiance MMO, make it challenging, make it complex, make it fun....just make it.

What are your thoughts?  Would an MA 21+ MMO work at all?  Would it die miserably? Because unless something like this happens, or the direction MMORPGs have being going changes drastically, I see the genre wilting and dieing and being replaced by this MMOFPSRTS(non)RPG type monster that people will just keep paying for and playing because (there's nothing else out there...)    

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  • ianubisiianubisi Member Posts: 4,201

    You need to define what you mean by MA 21+. If you mean porn, there are already multiple MMOGs based on porn. Violence is already rampant in MMOGs today, and Age of Conan is supposed to have some gory animations.

    So what do you mean by MA 21+?

  • SoSikWitItSoSikWitIt Member Posts: 65
    It would fail horribly.

    MA games rarely do good unless they are very high quality products.  MMOs don't do as well as other games already.  I strongly doubt that your average MMO player is 21.  Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but can't 18-year-olds buy MA games? 

    Older people have responsibilities.  Jobs, relationships, etc.  You may not agree with me on this, but I think the younger gaming audience is needed to a have a functioning in-game community and economy. 


  • ext1ext1 Member Posts: 98

    I'm not going to disagree with you about it, I even think you may be right somewhat.  I'm just posting the idea for discussion. 

    As for what I mean...well I'm not sure really, just MA 21+.  Does that mean porn? I'd rather not see that, like you said, plenty of that already.  Violence? lol, that wouldn't gather an MA rating, so I'm not sure how it could be done.  Maybe some 'way ahead of the curve' producer could just "make" his game MA and say I don't want an overly immature audiance.  I don't know.  This is a theoretical topic, not really something totally feasible (sp).

    I'm also not saying this hypothetical game has to be a great success either...even marginally populated, by a constant fanbase, with the occasional new crowd coming in once and a while.  I'm not looking for the next WoW type numbers, but even if you could get say something like a DAoC amount, that would be enough.  But again, you make the right game, and you'll get the people. 

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  • gcadays99gcadays99 Member Posts: 11
    actually I read somewhere once that the average age of MMO's well a good part of them not including things like toontown and stuff like that is mid to upper 20's.
  • SoSikWitItSoSikWitIt Member Posts: 65
    Actually, now that I've thought of it..I've actually heard the same thing. 

    I suppose it's just a little hard to believe.


  • Aison2Aison2 Member CommonPosts: 624
    they "old kids" over 50 are pushing it up 

    Pi*1337/100 = 42

  • ext1ext1 Member Posts: 98
    lol yeah I'm sure it's true.  I'm not going to say that NO ONE over 21 is immature and generally an idiot...but a minor part of the community being such in a game is one thing, the OVER ALL amount of people in a game community is completely another :)

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  • Rayx0rRayx0r Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,902

    I think its because a lot of the younger gamers play on consoles.  i know a lot of people who are actually in there early 20's that both find it hard to believe I play PC games, and dont believe PC games harness as much power as a console

    as for wether or not it would work, I think it would but only if the game was developed to cater to an adult crowd and not a catalyst for introducing pornography or other so-called adult content into an MMO.  Meaning what the OP said earlier.  The developers just want to make a mature game without the possiblities of being sued by a pissed off parent whos kid commited suicide because he was dumped by his OL girlfriend who was really a guy.  Or a kid decided to burn down their house because "they saw it in a game they played".  Or dropped the F bomb or insulted a priest or burned kittens.. or literally any other thing a child might do because their parents don't know how to raise them or take responsibility.

    of course theres introducing things of a more mature nature, like blood, gore, sexual things of nature, drugs alcohol, adult languages.  but I just thought I would offer another reason why someone would want a rating on their game and thats to protect themselves from incompetent parents

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  • AnofalyeAnofalye Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,433

    MA servers would prolly be wiser.

    Can have differents quests, stories and all.

    Personnally if a game would have a rating 21+ for sex, I would not be interested.  If it has 21+ rating for "religious" and other such reasons, that would interest me.  I can see the "Inquisition" theme been developped.

    Yet, this is not a must, I am perfectly happy in a conventional MMO!  I rather have a cool end-game than have a MA rating if you bring it between these 2 choices.

    So, MA, I doubt it.  Not against the idea and not saying it has no potential, but before checking on details, it seems appropriate to work on the basics...and MMOs end-Games still needs a LOT of work, not everyone enjoy raiding!    Yet, "everyone" should enjoy the end-game, if done right (or at least the majority).

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  • xpowderxxpowderx Member UncommonPosts: 2,078
    They need to make a Leisuresuit Larry Mmorpg!!! For real they do!!
  • nomadiannomadian Member Posts: 3,490
    MA short for mature right? If so then Age of Conan is opting with a mature rating.

  • HarafnirHarafnir Member UncommonPosts: 1,350
    mature rating.... and console. So that MA rating means nothing, they want the console kiddies.

    "This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
    It should be thrown with great force"

  • ext1ext1 Member Posts: 98

    yeah I saw that about AOC, The game looks great so far.  Lets hope they don't cave in and dumb it down at all.  I think we'll see a modest numbers shift when it finally comes out.  It would be nice to have a more mature community anyway, but we'll see.  Unfortunatly The trend of the past couple years has seen the MMO field degrade in community, well at least community + a good complex RPG.  It's too bad that right now it seems you have to basically choose one thing over another - large game or good community?  Since the fall of SWG PreCU it doesn't seem like anyone is able to achieve that (this isn't an SWGpreCU beating the drum thread though...thats history). 

    My money's on AoC though, lets hope for something good!

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  • ext1ext1 Member Posts: 98


    Originally posted by Harafnir
    mature rating.... and console. So that MA rating means nothing, they want the console kiddies.

    yeah, sadly the bills have to be paid

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  • SoSikWitItSoSikWitIt Member Posts: 65

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    Originally posted by Harafnir

    mature rating.... and console. So that MA rating means nothing, they want the console kiddies.

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    I don't mean to call you out or anything friend, but a lot of your post seem to revolve around gamers you seem to think a "beneath" you. Don't you think this snobbish attitude is a little silly for...a video game?

    I don't mean any offense of course.

  • HarafnirHarafnir Member UncommonPosts: 1,350


    Originally posted by SoSikWitIt

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    Originally posted by Harafnir

    mature rating.... and console. So that MA rating means nothing, they want the console kiddies.
    ___________________________________________________________________

    I don't mean to call you out or anything friend, but a lot of your post seem to revolve around gamers you seem to think a "beneath" you. Don't you think this snobbish attitude is a little silly for...a video game?
    I don't mean any offense of course.


    I don't mean any offense of course.





    Not offended in any way. But... Go into WoW. Enter barrens or.. Heck nowadays just turn on LFG global spam channel. Listen to that for 1 hour.

    Do I think those people are beneath me? Yup, so far beneath me I can't see them with a binocular.  Any any game created with normal mature people in mind, and not aiming at the 11 year old brainless jerks that just like to miff people off, would have my vote in a second. Snobbish? If you say so.

    Says more about you than me.

    "This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
    It should be thrown with great force"

  • nthnaounnthnaoun Member Posts: 1,438


    Originally posted by ext1

    I know this wouldn't be a 100% catch all, but it would/might filter out some of the current trends in MMO players we see today.  Please game producers:  Develop a mature audiance MMO, make it challenging, make it complex, make it fun....just make it.

    What are your thoughts?  Would an MA 21+ MMO work at all?  Would it die miserably? Because unless something like this happens, or the direction MMORPGs have being going changes drastically, I see the genre wilting and dieing and being replaced by this MMOFPSRTS(non)RPG type monster that people will just keep paying for and playing because (there's nothing else out there...)    


    In most states that I frequent, I consider 22 and under as kids. They still think sex is the end all be all goal for the week, or that drinking is cool, or gossiping is cool. I don't need to give more examples, but there are plenty of things that are common among that age and lower. Some even make it past 22, but those with good careers and families tend to steer away from this behavior. So a 21+ MMO is just as bad as a 20 and under MMO. Besides that, maturity is a state of mind, not age. The majority of rude people that I encounter are 30 and below, so you are only weeding out the child like (not immature in the sense) behavior that is annoying to some, but accustomed to by parents, so parents tend to be able to ignore it easily. The behavior that is really hard to ignore is the rude behavior and careless attitudes of the adults.
  • HarafnirHarafnir Member UncommonPosts: 1,350
    Wow that was pulled from thin air...

    "This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
    It should be thrown with great force"

  • nthnaounnthnaoun Member Posts: 1,438


    Originally posted by SoSikWitIt
    It would fail horribly.

    MA games rarely do good unless they are very high quality products.  MMOs don't do as well as other games already.  I strongly doubt that your average MMO player is 21.  Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but can't 18-year-olds buy MA games? 

    Older people have responsibilities.  Jobs, relationships, etc.  You may not agree with me on this, but I think the younger gaming audience is needed to a have a functioning in-game community and economy. 


    This is very true. However, I disagree with the majority of MMO's average age of players being under 21. I believe aside from WoW, that the average age is probably around 23.

    Most people in their late 20's and after do have families, careers and other priorities that usually take up most of their time, so they play maybe less than or around 20 hours a week. A typical MMO needs the kids as you said to keep the economy running and the game running. Examples of Mature only games and their success are Horizons and Saga of Ryzom. SoR does a lot better, but their subscription numbers leave a lot to be desired by those that want a lively world with hundreds of people at every turn.

  • nthnaounnthnaoun Member Posts: 1,438


    Originally posted by Harafnir

    Originally posted by SoSikWitIt


    I don't mean to call you out or anything friend, but a lot of your post seem to revolve around gamers you seem to think a "beneath" you. Don't you think this snobbish attitude is a little silly for...a video game?
    I don't mean any offense of course.


    I don't mean any offense of course.



    I don't mean any offense of course.



    I don't mean any offense of course.





    Not offended in any way. But... Go into WoW. Enter barrens or.. Heck nowadays just turn on LFG global spam channel. Listen to that for 1 hour.
    Do I think those people are beneath me? Yup, so far beneath me I can't see them with a binocular.  Any any game created with normal mature people in mind, and not aiming at the 11 year old brainless jerks that just like to miff people off, would have my vote in a second. Snobbish? If you say so.
    Says more about you than me.

    I agree with you here. There is certianly a right to think people are beneath you, when they are. People are born equal, but it's the choices they make, the way they treat others, and the morals they carry that puts them higher or lower than you. That's just my personal belief.
  • SoSikWitItSoSikWitIt Member Posts: 65

    Well sure, you have a right to think anything you want. It's just that most people see elitism in a negative light. Some others obviously don't. 

  • nthnaounnthnaoun Member Posts: 1,438


    Originally posted by SoSikWitIt

    Well sure, you have a right to think anything you want. It's just that most people see elitism in a negative light. Some others obviously don't. 



    It is my personal belief that every feels that they are better than another person. For example: A man enters your town, rapes and murders a young girl. Do you a.) Feel that you and he are equal beings..or b.) Think that you are better than he. These analogies can go on for different levels. Another example that is not so extreme is this: Two people sit in the same room. One person treats others better than he wants to be treated and the other cheats, lies, and manipulates to get ahead. Which person is better than the other? It is not an elitist attitude to think that you are better than another if you conduct yourself better than that person. It is elitist of a person to think they are better than another person when in fact they are the same two type of people, just because the one person belongs to a higher order of society. In the real world this would be like the immoral poor man that is thought to be less of a person by the immoral rich man. Or in the gaming world, the lvl 60 Warrior in the best guild on the server thinks that the other lvl 60 is a nobody and beneath him, because he isn't in said guild.

    Do you understand what I mean now? Is this something you agree with or disagree with and why?

  • paranoidpvpparanoidpvp Member Posts: 539
    You cannot simply slap a sticker on a game that says 21+, the best you can have is a MA rating and that is 17+. There isn't a game rating that requires you to be age 21 and if you chose to do that you could have an ageism law suit on your hands. I'm only 16 so this doesn't matter today but I thought I would throw in my comment.

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  • ianubisiianubisi Member Posts: 4,201


    Originally posted by paranoidpvp
    There isn't a game rating that requires you to be age 21 and if you chose to do that you could have an ageism law suit on your hands.

    There is absolutely no way you would successfully sue a company for requiring a consumer to be 21 to purchase a non-necessity product.

  • paranoidpvpparanoidpvp Member Posts: 539


    Originally posted by ianubisi


    Originally posted by paranoidpvp
    There isn't a game rating that requires you to be age 21 and if you chose to do that you could have an ageism law suit on your hands.

    There is absolutely no way you would successfully sue a company for requiring a consumer to be 21 to purchase a non-necessity product.



    It's been done, because it is a discriminatory offence they were able to pull it off.

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