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I just got podded again... And it got me thinking....

duncan_922duncan_922 Member Posts: 1,670

I've been playing EVE for 3-4 months now, so in EVE terms, I'm still a newb.  I created a Caldari character, but since my friends were all Minmitar, I moved immediately to Minmitar space after I rolled out my toon.  But my friends have been very scarce as of late, and it's been getting really hard to get enough standing to move on to lvl 3 missions, so I decided to move back to Caldari space.  I gathered all my belongings on a Badger and went on my way....  On the way, I stepped on .4 space and was immediately podded.

Now, I know that PVP is a major part of EVE gameplay, but is this considered PVP???  An elite Battle Cruiser taking out an industrial ship seems hardly like competition, let alone fair-play.  What justification does someone have for that?  It's ridiculous when you think about it.  I can think of no real reason why someone on a battle cruiser or a battle ship should take down a frigate or an indy, it just seems like virtual bullying to me.

I hope I don't come across too whiney....   I've been loving EVE from the start.  The mechanics, the market playing, the possibilities seem endless.  But things like this really turn me off on the game.

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  • RattrapRattrap Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,599
    EVE is virtual GANK FEST

    Only reason why EVE is so mega hyped is because it gives huge unfair advantage to OLD PLAYERS.
    So they

    1.Dont want to leave , because this godliness is ... well prety enjoyable
    2.They need new blood to GANK so they advertize game like mad.




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  • Aetius73Aetius73 Member Posts: 1,257

    There are a bunch of people that hang out in .1-.4 looking to pod anything that moves unfortunatly. This limits what you can do safely quite a bit until you are ready for 0.0 where the solo griefer generally gets owned by corporate patrols(the main reason why they hang out in low sec empire).

    Only thing you can do is learn from your mistakes and press on.

  • MinscMinsc Member UncommonPosts: 1,353


    Originally posted by duncan_922

    I've been playing EVE for 3-4 months now, so in EVE terms, I'm still a newb.  I created a Caldari character, but since my friends were all Minmitar, I moved immediately to Minmitar space after I rolled out my toon.  But my friends have been very scarce as of late, and it's been getting really hard to get enough standing to move on to lvl 3 missions, so I decided to move back to Caldari space.  I gathered all my belongings on a Badger and went on my way....  On the way, I stepped on .4 space and was immediately podded.
    Now, I know that PVP is a major part of EVE gameplay, but is this considered PVP???  An elite Battle Cruiser taking out an industrial ship seems hardly like competition, let alone fair-play.  What justification does someone have for that?  It's ridiculous when you think about it.  I can think of no real reason why someone on a battle cruiser or a battle ship should take down a frigate or an indy, it just seems like virtual bullying to me.

    I hope I don't come across too whiney....   I've been loving EVE from the start.  The mechanics, the market playing, the possibilities seem endless.  But things like this really turn me off on the game.


    You said you had an indy full of stuff you were moving? That's justification  enough for someone to gank you. For all that player knew you could of had a hold full of zydrine. The thing about EVE is that there is no handholding, you are responsible for you're own actions. If you fail to pay attention to your surroundings then you deserve to suffer the consequences.

    It sucks to lose a bunch of stuff to a situation like that but it sure teaches you to be vigilant in a hurry. You have to realize that you aren't safe anywhere in EVE.
  • SobaManSobaMan Member Posts: 384


    Originally posted by duncan_922

    I've been playing EVE for 3-4 months now, so in EVE terms, I'm still a newb.  I created a Caldari character, but since my friends were all Minmitar, I moved immediately to Minmitar space after I rolled out my toon.  But my friends have been very scarce as of late, and it's been getting really hard to get enough standing to move on to lvl 3 missions, so I decided to move back to Caldari space.  I gathered all my belongings on a Badger and went on my way....  On the way, I stepped on .4 space and was immediately podded.
    Now, I know that PVP is a major part of EVE gameplay, but is this considered PVP???  An elite Battle Cruiser taking out an industrial ship seems hardly like competition, let alone fair-play.  What justification does someone have for that?  It's ridiculous when you think about it.  I can think of no real reason why someone on a battle cruiser or a battle ship should take down a frigate or an indy, it just seems like virtual bullying to me.

    I hope I don't come across too whiney....   I've been loving EVE from the start.  The mechanics, the market playing, the possibilities seem endless.  But things like this really turn me off on the game.


    It's called pirating.  It has nothing to do with old or new players and everything to do with how people want to earn their belongings.  You can classify it as PvP, but most gank-rats I can think of (not all, mind you) wouldn't really last too long in an actual battle.  Thus, they setup for ganking to get you to blow up as fast as possible.  It sucks, but... good with the bad... one day, you'll be able to exact revenge if you want to... and you should have kill rights on him for blowing your ship up... so you can do it anywhere you want to without CONCORD interveaning.

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  • duncan_922duncan_922 Member Posts: 1,670


    Originally posted by SobaMan

    Originally posted by duncan_922

    I've been playing EVE for 3-4 months now, so in EVE terms, I'm still a newb.  I created a Caldari character, but since my friends were all Minmitar, I moved immediately to Minmitar space after I rolled out my toon.  But my friends have been very scarce as of late, and it's been getting really hard to get enough standing to move on to lvl 3 missions, so I decided to move back to Caldari space.  I gathered all my belongings on a Badger and went on my way....  On the way, I stepped on .4 space and was immediately podded.
    Now, I know that PVP is a major part of EVE gameplay, but is this considered PVP???  An elite Battle Cruiser taking out an industrial ship seems hardly like competition, let alone fair-play.  What justification does someone have for that?  It's ridiculous when you think about it.  I can think of no real reason why someone on a battle cruiser or a battle ship should take down a frigate or an indy, it just seems like virtual bullying to me.

    I hope I don't come across too whiney....   I've been loving EVE from the start.  The mechanics, the market playing, the possibilities seem endless.  But things like this really turn me off on the game.

    It's called pirating.  It has nothing to do with old or new players and everything to do with how people want to earn their belongings.  You can classify it as PvP, but most gank-rats I can think of (not all, mind you) wouldn't really last too long in an actual battle.  Thus, they setup for ganking to get you to blow up as fast as possible.  It sucks, but... good with the bad... one day, you'll be able to exact revenge if you want to... and you should have kill rights on him for blowing your ship up... so you can do it anywhere you want to without CONCORD interveaning.


    Ohhh!!!   I'm counting on it...  If I last that long on the game that is, that's why I was so against kill rights being changed for 30 days only.  I can't possibly start flying BC's in 30 days...  I made a folder on my buddies list called "shit list" and added all the people that have podded me there for "future reference" 

    I also agree that it has nothing to do with old and new players...  I know that someone that knows how to play the game, can easily catch up or even surpass the old players with some imagination and wit.  And the person that made the point that I could be carrying a truckload of Zydrine for all they know, also makes a good point.  But how do they know that when they blow me up that it will survive?  And I've also been podded while running courier missions on a frigate, and that to me is un-justifiable.  What could a frigate be carrying that could be of value for someone on a BS? 

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  • SobaManSobaMan Member Posts: 384


    Originally posted by duncan_922

    Originally posted by SobaMan

    Originally posted by duncan_922

    I've been playing EVE for 3-4 months now, so in EVE terms, I'm still a newb.  I created a Caldari character, but since my friends were all Minmitar, I moved immediately to Minmitar space after I rolled out my toon.  But my friends have been very scarce as of late, and it's been getting really hard to get enough standing to move on to lvl 3 missions, so I decided to move back to Caldari space.  I gathered all my belongings on a Badger and went on my way....  On the way, I stepped on .4 space and was immediately podded.
    Now, I know that PVP is a major part of EVE gameplay, but is this considered PVP???  An elite Battle Cruiser taking out an industrial ship seems hardly like competition, let alone fair-play.  What justification does someone have for that?  It's ridiculous when you think about it.  I can think of no real reason why someone on a battle cruiser or a battle ship should take down a frigate or an indy, it just seems like virtual bullying to me.

    I hope I don't come across too whiney....   I've been loving EVE from the start.  The mechanics, the market playing, the possibilities seem endless.  But things like this really turn me off on the game.

    It's called pirating.  It has nothing to do with old or new players and everything to do with how people want to earn their belongings.  You can classify it as PvP, but most gank-rats I can think of (not all, mind you) wouldn't really last too long in an actual battle.  Thus, they setup for ganking to get you to blow up as fast as possible.  It sucks, but... good with the bad... one day, you'll be able to exact revenge if you want to... and you should have kill rights on him for blowing your ship up... so you can do it anywhere you want to without CONCORD interveaning.


    Ohhh!!!   I'm counting on it...  If I last that long on the game that is, that's why I was so against kill rights being changed for 30 days only.  I can't possibly start flying BC's in 30 days...  I made a folder on my buddies list called "shit list" and added all the people that have podded me there for "future reference" 

    I also agree that it has nothing to do with old and new players...  I know that someone that knows how to play the game, can easily catch up or even surpass the old players with some imagination and wit.  And the person that made the point that I could be carrying a truckload of Zydrine for all they know, also makes a good point.  But how do they know that when they blow me up that it will survive?  And I've also been podded while running courier missions on a frigate, and that to me is un-justifiable.  What could a frigate be carrying that could be of value for someone on a BS? 


    Well, it's a matter of personal morals and whether they affect a person's game play style.  If he's playing a pirate, then he can either be the cut throat, killz all, type, or he can be the extortionist, or... etc., etc.  Unfortunately, the art of extortion has been lost for the most part because people gate camp instead of Roid Field hunt... but... a hauler in low-sec probably has something good in it, and if it doesn't then at least the hauler didn't require much ammo to kill.  A frigate in low sec could mean several things.  Somebody was picking up a BP, or some skill books, or some new gear for their other ship.  I would say, next time you fly through low sec, use an afterburner.  Gets you to the gate faster and doesn't increase your targeting radius (which means they will still take a long time to target you in anything bigger than a cruiser).  Also, equip a targeting jammer(but don't use it until you've been fired on because it is concidered hostility... unless his Sec Stats allow for no consequences).  They can't shoot what they can't target unless they have FoF missiles equiped, but they do less damage AND conciderably less damage to frigates AND FoFs might actually start flying at the sentry guns because the sentries will be shooting at the gate camper.

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  • KnightblastKnightblast Member UncommonPosts: 1,787
    It's just a part of the game that 0.4 and below is rough, insecure space.  Actually 0.4's are among the least safe because piratical types go there specifically because they know that players will try passing through 0.4, and so there will be more traffic there.

    People gank industrials because (1) you don't know what they will drop and (2) they have no business going through low sec without an escort and/or instajump/instadock bookmarks.

    People will gank a frigate because a frigate could be (1) carrying expensive stuff like narcotics or hi-end minerals like zydrine that doesn't take up a lot of space but are worth a lot of money or (2) spying or scouting for an attack group that could be coming to take out the pirates.

    The bottom line is that once you get to 0.4 and below it gets dangerous and you are liable to get ganked.  When our corp is moving anything of any value in 0.4, we have a fleet escort on hand to make sure noone tries anything, and scouts scouting around adjacent systems.


  • Agricola1Agricola1 Member UncommonPosts: 4,977


    Originally posted by duncan_922

    I've been playing EVE for 3-4 months now, so in EVE terms, I'm still a newb.  I created a Caldari character, but since my friends were all Minmitar, I moved immediately to Minmitar space after I rolled out my toon.  But my friends have been very scarce as of late, and it's been getting really hard to get enough standing to move on to lvl 3 missions, so I decided to move back to Caldari space.  I gathered all my belongings on a Badger and went on my way....  On the way, I stepped on .4 space and was immediately podded.
    Now, I know that PVP is a major part of EVE gameplay, but is this considered PVP???  An elite Battle Cruiser taking out an industrial ship seems hardly like competition, let alone fair-play.  What justification does someone have for that?  It's ridiculous when you think about it.  I can think of no real reason why someone on a battle cruiser or a battle ship should take down a frigate or an indy, it just seems like virtual bullying to me.

    I hope I don't come across too whiney....   I've been loving EVE from the start.  The mechanics, the market playing, the possibilities seem endless.  But things like this really turn me off on the game.


    1: Sounds like you traveled through Amamake in your fat Badger. So unless you want to fight set the autopilot to avoid low sec. This isn't possibile when traveling from Minmatar to Caldari space (I think) so pay someone in a shuttle to scout low sec first before you enter the system.

    2: I have engaged in piracy and revenge in that are many times, a fat slow Badger would be a nice target for my Vampdom. I like to prey on the weak and harvest thier goodies, not so much for money but for thrills. I will ransom in a belt (I'm into belt piracy) as I give a time limit to pay up, and I pity the fool that doesn't pay.

    3: I will pod whenever I can, only for my own twisted pleasure.

    4: I have to pirate in a Battleship as anything less would not be enough if the cavalry arrived (I pirate solo). I justify destroying a shuttle as they're the vehicle of choice to transport blueprints in bulk. I only enter a fair fight when I can afford to be podded, actually I only enter any PvP when I can afford to be podded.

    5: I have a char with 15mil sp and lvl 5 Bs, when I started over a year ago I was the lowest on the foodchain too. Looking at all the big boys flying about in humungous war machines that could waste me by ejecting thier waste! Thinking I may never catch up with them. Well now 1vs1 I can give most EVE players a change of underwear on a good day, although many have done the same to me (don't tell)!
    6: Just mark this one down to experience, it didn't cost you much to learn that lesson believe me. Steer clear of Amamake and its surrounding systems unless you have insta jump bookmarks. Patience is the key in 6 months time you'll be wasting a badger passing through Bosboger and he'll say "Why did you do that I'm just new?" and you'll start this explination

    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

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  • free2playfree2play Member UncommonPosts: 2,043
    I feel for you. I and assume everyone has had similar situations in Eve. Your right, Eve has more than its share of bully wannabes who will pee in your cornflakes every chance they get. Email Ioci in game, I will try to help you out. 

  • dolaniousdolanious Member Posts: 186
    wow duncan_22, you're a carebear. I never figured you for one but now I know.

    I regularly gate-snipe helpless haulers like yourself at gates all the time (in empire). The more grief I cause, the more i'm entertained.

    my in game-name is : pyr8t


  • dolaniousdolanious Member Posts: 186
    oh, and one more thing.... if you got ganked, chances are it was your fault.

    Now you're probably thinking: "My fault? How could it have been my fault?!!" Well, whenever traveling in low sec always check your map for ships destroyed/pod kills in the last hour...

    There are of course those situations where you just can't help it... but the others, for me at least, there were things I could have done to have prevented it.


  • Rayx0rRayx0r Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,902


    Originally posted by duncan_922

    I've been playing EVE for 3-4 months now, so in EVE terms, I'm still a newb.  I created a Caldari character, but since my friends were all Minmitar, I moved immediately to Minmitar space after I rolled out my toon.  But my friends have been very scarce as of late, and it's been getting really hard to get enough standing to move on to lvl 3 missions, so I decided to move back to Caldari space.  I gathered all my belongings on a Badger and went on my way....  On the way, I stepped on .4 space and was immediately podded.
    Now, I know that PVP is a major part of EVE gameplay, but is this considered PVP???  An elite Battle Cruiser taking out an industrial ship seems hardly like competition, let alone fair-play.  What justification does someone have for that?  It's ridiculous when you think about it.  I can think of no real reason why someone on a battle cruiser or a battle ship should take down a frigate or an indy, it just seems like virtual bullying to me.

    I hope I don't come across too whiney....   I've been loving EVE from the start.  The mechanics, the market playing, the possibilities seem endless.  But things like this really turn me off on the game.



    killboard rankings

    theyre the reason for this and why there is so much ganking.  the only real reason, for gankers to extend their e-peen.

    real pirates will evaporate your shields and take yer hull down to 25%.  as you're scrammed you'll be demanded a sum of ISK dependant on the ship yer piloting, and the length of time youve been playing visible by your employment history

    any other reason to just pod someone is to fulfill the persons real life inadequacies by ranking high on killboards or to hear them complain on forums.. neither is profitable or gives them a bigger penis :)  especially in those who dont bother to scan the cargo and just kill anyone who passes by.  theyre losing money by blowing ammo, and time by sitting and waiting for someone whos dumb enough not to have instas for the system.

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  • paadepaade Member Posts: 471
    ganking, nub-killing, shooting in the back, hunting, its all part of FFA pvp. People need to get rid of the honor-bullshit-mentality and grow some balls. If you cant handle being killed for what ever reason, then pvp is not for you, simple as that. That other thing, with that 'honor' fighting bs, thats not real pvp, thats called duelling mmkay? Real pvp isnt fair or concensual (sp?) and in order to survive in it you really need to get rid of that arena fighting mentality, get yourself some armoury and start shooting back. Play it smart and if you get killed dont cry about it, get your shait back up and learn from it.

    And those people that make any connections to what kind of people pvpers are in real life, you really need to keep in mind one thing: its a game, nothing more.
  • Rayx0rRayx0r Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,902


    Originally posted by paade
    ganking, nub-killing, shooting in the back, hunting, its all part of FFA pvp. People need to get rid of the honor-bullshit-mentality and grow some balls. If you cant handle being killed for what ever reason, then pvp is not for you, simple as that. That other thing, with that 'honor' fighting bs, thats not real pvp, thats called duelling mmkay? Real pvp isnt fair or concensual (sp?) and in order to survive in it you really need to get rid of that arena fighting mentality, get yourself some armoury and start shooting back. Play it smart and if you get killed dont cry about it, get your shait back up and learn from it.

    And those people that make any connections to what kind of people pvpers are in real life, you really need to keep in mind one thing: its a game, nothing more.


    did someone steal your lunch money?

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  • duncan_922duncan_922 Member Posts: 1,670


    Originally posted by Agricola1

    Originally posted by duncan_922

    I've been playing EVE for 3-4 months now, so in EVE terms, I'm still a newb.  I created a Caldari character, but since my friends were all Minmitar, I moved immediately to Minmitar space after I rolled out my toon.  But my friends have been very scarce as of late, and it's been getting really hard to get enough standing to move on to lvl 3 missions, so I decided to move back to Caldari space.  I gathered all my belongings on a Badger and went on my way....  On the way, I stepped on .4 space and was immediately podded.
    Now, I know that PVP is a major part of EVE gameplay, but is this considered PVP???  An elite Battle Cruiser taking out an industrial ship seems hardly like competition, let alone fair-play.  What justification does someone have for that?  It's ridiculous when you think about it.  I can think of no real reason why someone on a battle cruiser or a battle ship should take down a frigate or an indy, it just seems like virtual bullying to me.

    I hope I don't come across too whiney....   I've been loving EVE from the start.  The mechanics, the market playing, the possibilities seem endless.  But things like this really turn me off on the game.

    1: Sounds like you traveled through Amamake in your fat Badger. So unless you want to fight set the autopilot to avoid low sec. This isn't possibile when traveling from Minmatar to Caldari space (I think) so pay someone in a shuttle to scout low sec first before you enter the system.

    2: I have engaged in piracy and revenge in that are many times, a fat slow Badger would be a nice target for my Vampdom. I like to prey on the weak and harvest thier goodies, not so much for money but for thrills. I will ransom in a belt (I'm into belt piracy) as I give a time limit to pay up, and I pity the fool that doesn't pay.

    3: I will pod whenever I can, only for my own twisted pleasure.

    4: I have to pirate in a Battleship as anything less would not be enough if the cavalry arrived (I pirate solo). I justify destroying a shuttle as they're the vehicle of choice to transport blueprints in bulk. I only enter a fair fight when I can afford to be podded, actually I only enter any PvP when I can afford to be podded.

    5: I have a char with 15mil sp and lvl 5 Bs, when I started over a year ago I was the lowest on the foodchain too. Looking at all the big boys flying about in humungous war machines that could waste me by ejecting thier waste! Thinking I may never catch up with them. Well now 1vs1 I can give most EVE players a change of underwear on a good day, although many have done the same to me (don't tell)!
    6: Just mark this one down to experience, it didn't cost you much to learn that lesson believe me. Steer clear of Amamake and its surrounding systems unless you have insta jump bookmarks. Patience is the key in 6 months time you'll be wasting a badger passing through Bosboger and he'll say "Why did you do that I'm just new?" and you'll start this explination


    Well Agricola...  I'm sorry to say this because I've seen other posts from you on the SWG forums and I like you.  But saying that you like to pray on the weak and that you only enter a fair fight "when you can afford it" makes you the definition of a coward!

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  • duncan_922duncan_922 Member Posts: 1,670


    Originally posted by paade
    ganking, nub-killing, shooting in the back, hunting, its all part of FFA pvp. People need to get rid of the honor-bullshit-mentality and grow some balls. If you cant handle being killed for what ever reason, then pvp is not for you, simple as that. That other thing, with that 'honor' fighting bs, thats not real pvp, thats called duelling mmkay? Real pvp isnt fair or concensual (sp?) and in order to survive in it you really need to get rid of that arena fighting mentality, get yourself some armoury and start shooting back. Play it smart and if you get killed dont cry about it, get your shait back up and learn from it.

    And those people that make any connections to what kind of people pvpers are in real life, you really need to keep in mind one thing: its a game, nothing more.


    That is the whole reason of my post...  I understand that one of the most, if not the most, important aspect of the game is PVP.  I knew that from the start when I joined EVE and I knew the risks.  I just don't understand why ganking someone who can't fight back can be called PvP.  That's like me beating up a quadraplegic and calling it a fight!

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  • SobaManSobaMan Member Posts: 384


    Originally posted by Rayx0r

    Originally posted by paade
    ganking, nub-killing, shooting in the back, hunting, its all part of FFA pvp. People need to get rid of the honor-bullshit-mentality and grow some balls. If you cant handle being killed for what ever reason, then pvp is not for you, simple as that. That other thing, with that 'honor' fighting bs, thats not real pvp, thats called duelling mmkay? Real pvp isnt fair or concensual (sp?) and in order to survive in it you really need to get rid of that arena fighting mentality, get yourself some armoury and start shooting back. Play it smart and if you get killed dont cry about it, get your shait back up and learn from it.

    And those people that make any connections to what kind of people pvpers are in real life, you really need to keep in mind one thing: its a game, nothing more.

    did someone steal your lunch money?




    Originally posted by Rayx0r

    killboard rankings
    theyre the reason for this and why there is so much ganking.  the only real reason, for gankers to extend their e-peen.
    real pirates will evaporate your shields and take yer hull down to 25%.  as you're scrammed you'll be demanded a sum of ISK dependant on the ship yer piloting, and the length of time youve been playing visible by your employment history
    any other reason to just pod someone is to fulfill the persons real life inadequacies by ranking high on killboards or to hear them complain on forums.. neither is profitable or gives them a bigger penis :)  especially in those who dont bother to scan the cargo and just kill anyone who passes by.  theyre losing money by blowing ammo, and time by sitting and waiting for someone whos dumb enough not to have instas for the system.


    No, but it sounds like somebody stole yours...

    It's pirating.  It's allowed.  If you don't like it, hide out in high-sec.  They make their money, just differently.  You don't like it because you're on the recieving end of the bad stick.  If you were on the giving end, you wouldn't say any of that.  If you don't like pirates, go play a game where death doesn't cost you anything (WoW, CoH/V).  The bottom line is Eve is FFA PvP.  Ganking somebody isn;t called PvP... it's called Ganking or Pirating or extreme business.  Despite the name, it's allowed and can be avoided.  Again, WoW and games of the like are much more noob friendly.  Eve is for the elite of the MMOers.  If you can't stand that then go elsewhere.

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  • Agricola1Agricola1 Member UncommonPosts: 4,977


    Originally posted by duncan_922

    Originally posted by Agricola1

    Originally posted by duncan_922

    I've been playing EVE for 3-4 months now, so in EVE terms, I'm still a newb.  I created a Caldari character, but since my friends were all Minmitar, I moved immediately to Minmitar space after I rolled out my toon.  But my friends have been very scarce as of late, and it's been getting really hard to get enough standing to move on to lvl 3 missions, so I decided to move back to Caldari space.  I gathered all my belongings on a Badger and went on my way....  On the way, I stepped on .4 space and was immediately podded.
    Now, I know that PVP is a major part of EVE gameplay, but is this considered PVP???  An elite Battle Cruiser taking out an industrial ship seems hardly like competition, let alone fair-play.  What justification does someone have for that?  It's ridiculous when you think about it.  I can think of no real reason why someone on a battle cruiser or a battle ship should take down a frigate or an indy, it just seems like virtual bullying to me.

    I hope I don't come across too whiney....   I've been loving EVE from the start.  The mechanics, the market playing, the possibilities seem endless.  But things like this really turn me off on the game.

    1: Sounds like you traveled through Amamake in your fat Badger. So unless you want to fight set the autopilot to avoid low sec. This isn't possibile when traveling from Minmatar to Caldari space (I think) so pay someone in a shuttle to scout low sec first before you enter the system.

    2: I have engaged in piracy and revenge in that are many times, a fat slow Badger would be a nice target for my Vampdom. I like to prey on the weak and harvest thier goodies, not so much for money but for thrills. I will ransom in a belt (I'm into belt piracy) as I give a time limit to pay up, and I pity the fool that doesn't pay.

    3: I will pod whenever I can, only for my own twisted pleasure.

    4: I have to pirate in a Battleship as anything less would not be enough if the cavalry arrived (I pirate solo). I justify destroying a shuttle as they're the vehicle of choice to transport blueprints in bulk. I only enter a fair fight when I can afford to be podded, actually I only enter any PvP when I can afford to be podded.

    5: I have a char with 15mil sp and lvl 5 Bs, when I started over a year ago I was the lowest on the foodchain too. Looking at all the big boys flying about in humungous war machines that could waste me by ejecting thier waste! Thinking I may never catch up with them. Well now 1vs1 I can give most EVE players a change of underwear on a good day, although many have done the same to me (don't tell)!
    6: Just mark this one down to experience, it didn't cost you much to learn that lesson believe me. Steer clear of Amamake and its surrounding systems unless you have insta jump bookmarks. Patience is the key in 6 months time you'll be wasting a badger passing through Bosboger and he'll say "Why did you do that I'm just new?" and you'll start this explination


    Well Agricola...  I'm sorry to say this because I've seen other posts from you on the SWG forums and I like you.  But saying that you like to pray on the weak and that you only enter a fair fight "when you can afford it" makes you the definition of a coward!


    I understand where you're coming from, and many players would agree with you. However in EVE where you're really punished for lossing when I engage in piracy a fair fight isn't a really economicaly sound thing to do. If I get fried then I lose about 200mil ISK, so I avoid tough fights. Remember the Lion preys upon the weakest in the herd, not the strongest, expend the least amount of energy with the least risk for the greatest reward.

    I will accept duels 1v1 if I trust my foe to keep thier side of the bargin (no friends), but this rarely happens as no-one trusts anyone in EVE. But many still call me a coward, however few of those that call me a coward have the nerve to go 1vs1 against my Dominix

    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

    CS Lewis

  • ke5auxke5aux Member Posts: 158
    Ok, thats it!

    Next time I am going to pick my BPO's in the corporate BS.

    That makes it less obvious, no?


  • SobaManSobaMan Member Posts: 384


    Originally posted by ke5aux
    Ok, thats it!

    Next time I am going to pick my BPO's in the corporate BS.

    That makes it less obvious, no?


    Correct, AND it looks like you can fight back.  Gankers/Pirates are less likely to fight you if you can fight back or at least look like you can.

    We can agree to disagree, or we can bicker constantly... either way, I'm right.
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  • GlacianNexGlacianNex Member UncommonPosts: 652

    Although it hurts being ganked in EVE and it is not fair and you can call other side cowards and whatever else you want. In the grand picture they are doing their small part to keep the market balanced. Ofcourse they are not doing it to keep market balanced but for their personal gain but they attribute to it. It is the reason why minerals are always needed, production is always building new ships. If there were no gankers the of market side of EVE would be hurting.

    Then there is ofcourse the fact that that people are not prepared to pay for their mistakes. If you go into .4-.1 w/o proper equipment and means of getting away you are gambling with fate. Some people just refuse to say, "Damn I was an idiot, it was a stupid thing to do". Instead it is so much easier to say "Well he killed me so it is got to be his fault because he is a coward, a ganker, a piece of crap, etc etc etc....". Is  it fair? No. Is EVE fair? No. What is a fair PvP? When there is no PvP, because the looser will always try to come up with an excuse in order not to admit his/her own mistakes.

     I am not trying to say that ganking is the right thing to do, but what I am trying to show is that if you get ganked in .4 - .1 in 95% of the cases it your fault, not theirs.



  • ke5auxke5aux Member Posts: 158
    Well EVE is EVE

    Being pod-killed is just a part of it. it does keep the economic balance. What drives people nuts is that they miner fr X many days to buy a ship and the pirate camped for X many hours to buy a new ship at your expense.



  • fizzle322fizzle322 Member Posts: 723
    I agree with the person who said real pvp is not consentual.

    Consentual pvp is called a duel.
  • Rayx0rRayx0r Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,902


    Originally posted by SobaMan

    Originally posted by Rayx0r

    Originally posted by paade
    ganking, nub-killing, shooting in the back, hunting, its all part of FFA pvp. People need to get rid of the honor-bullshit-mentality and grow some balls. If you cant handle being killed for what ever reason, then pvp is not for you, simple as that. That other thing, with that 'honor' fighting bs, thats not real pvp, thats called duelling mmkay? Real pvp isnt fair or concensual (sp?) and in order to survive in it you really need to get rid of that arena fighting mentality, get yourself some armoury and start shooting back. Play it smart and if you get killed dont cry about it, get your shait back up and learn from it.

    And those people that make any connections to what kind of people pvpers are in real life, you really need to keep in mind one thing: its a game, nothing more.

    did someone steal your lunch money?




    Originally posted by Rayx0r

    killboard rankings
    theyre the reason for this and why there is so much ganking.  the only real reason, for gankers to extend their e-peen.
    real pirates will evaporate your shields and take yer hull down to 25%.  as you're scrammed you'll be demanded a sum of ISK dependant on the ship yer piloting, and the length of time youve been playing visible by your employment history
    any other reason to just pod someone is to fulfill the persons real life inadequacies by ranking high on killboards or to hear them complain on forums.. neither is profitable or gives them a bigger penis :)  especially in those who dont bother to scan the cargo and just kill anyone who passes by.  theyre losing money by blowing ammo, and time by sitting and waiting for someone whos dumb enough not to have instas for the system.


    No, but it sounds like somebody stole yours...

    It's pirating.  It's allowed.  If you don't like it, hide out in high-sec.  They make their money, just differently.  You don't like it because you're on the recieving end of the bad stick.  If you were on the giving end, you wouldn't say any of that.  If you don't like pirates, go play a game where death doesn't cost you anything (WoW, CoH/V).  The bottom line is Eve is FFA PvP.  Ganking somebody isn;t called PvP... it's called Ganking or Pirating or extreme business.  Despite the name, it's allowed and can be avoided.  Again, WoW and games of the like are much more noob friendly.  Eve is for the elite of the MMOers.  If you can't stand that then go elsewhere.



    look, dont direct your carebear frustrations toward me.  I answered the OP.  I never said I disagreed with any of it no matter how you want to mince my words and use clever analogies while comparing me to a world of warcraft player.

    I still say ganking is not a mechanic, but rather something most people do for killboard rankings.  Thats the MY answer to the OP.  I dont care if its right or wrong because, its neither.  If theres no money to be gained, no corporation function to be stopped, no items to be stolen.. its done for empowerment.  and if you get empowered by a video game then you must have some feelings of inadequacy.

    ya of course its part of eve and every other ffa, but that wasnt the question.. was it?  he wanted to know WHY people do this and this is the only reason I could see for destroying, then podding something worth 0 value to the pirate.  Look, I have no problem at all with these people. I just think its funny that they waste so much time when they could go after bigger fish and demand isk or cargo..  but I guess that takes a bit more skill and ..  well less need for cyber empowerment and more need to expand your character.

    hopefully you see the point here and will stop with the weak attempt to classify me as something im not. 

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  • ke5auxke5aux Member Posts: 158
    Kinda off-topic but...

    Anyone remmember the good old days where pirates did something called ransom? Or you could buy a ticket to a certain gate. Seems these days pirates gate camp just for the fun of it.


    Oh well... lost 3 ind lvl 5 to pirates last week. 0.0 worth th profit though :D .


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