Originally posted by OldManFunk Originally posted by Rayx0r
ROFL instant gratification bitches 4tw!! ya, I shouldnt feel any sort of achievements for the time put forth in any game that I play. I want a single player mortal kombat mmo where I just jump in and instead of WEEKS. or MONTHS of building my character to get in the mid tier of the game.. I want a day or two to get to the pinacle of it..the end game thats what mmos need. less then a couple weeks of achievement to reach the pinacle end game, right? wait.. are we talking MMO's or sports/action single player games?
There's no reason to be nasty and name call. If you want people to stop "bashing" your game then you should try to be more civil toward people who disagree with your opinions. Flaming anyone who says, "I didn't like this part of EVE," just makes the EVE community seem hostile and irrational and invites other people to "bash" your game by reafirming the people that you are flaming.
A lot of people view massively multi-player online games (or massively multi-player online role-playing games if you're a role-player ) as games.
A lot of people play games for fun.
Having to not only wait weeks before getting to the fun part but also pay for the boring part seems masochistic. I don't believe this has anything to do with wanting instant gratification more than simply wanting to enjoy the game that you are paying for. You don't have to wait weeks to get to the fun part, for some people the fun part is actually interacting with other people or achieving goals in the game. Getting thier first frigate/cruiser/bs, their first 1 million isk/10 million isk/100 million isk.
You have to wait in line before you can ride a ride at Disney World. People complained about the wait times and stopped going to the park. Disney's response was to shorten the wait time by offering a "fast pass".
I'd love to play a MMOG where I could just jump right in and interact with the other players as if I had been there all along. I see no reason to delay my ability to interact with other players. The entire reason to play a MMOG is to be able to interact with other players.
What's stopping you from doing that in EVE, you don't need to be piloting any particular ship to interact with people.
I don't believe that removing EVE's skill system would make EVE less fun.
If everyone started EVE at the same level (imagine everyone being maxed in every skill from the start) would you quit EVE because EVE would no longer be fun to play?
You still have your friends. You still have your wealth. You still perform the same activities as always. The only difference would be that even a new player could pilot a high-skill ship if they could get their hands on an expensive ship ( either by being given access to a ship to pilot for a corporation or being given money to buy a ship since it would still take time to aquire ISK ).
Part of the reason for having to train to use different ships is so that by the time you are ready to fly one, you have a clue how to fit and fly them properly, otherwise people would be bitching and moaning about how their "super expensive ship" sucks cause they got podded. Hell players still do that from time to time.
EVE's skill system isn't meant to be fun for players. EVE's skill system is meant to make players feel as if their characters are an investment and to keep players paying to maintain their investments. I can understand why CCP would not want to get rid of EVE's skill system without having another hook to keep players paying ( items and cash can be transfered and so are less likely to keep players paying when they might otherwise become bored with the game and quit ).
Skill point totals are not why people play the game, the dynamic player run market/alliances/corporations and the open-endedness are why people play. Also the PVP, it's all about risk vs reward. If you can't measure gain there is no meaning to loss. This game is the only one I have EVER played that gives me an adrenaline rush in PVP, in any genre. That's more than enough hook for most of the players.
I don't view being the longest paying player as either an achievement or a goal for new players to strive for. Other MMOGs allow players to advance their characters at an uneven rate therefor allowing players to achieve status within the game at their own pace. EVE's skill system removes the player from the game by rewarding its most loyal customers rather than its most dedicated players ( in reference to EVE's skill system and character advancement, not wealth or social status which are not at issue here ).
You are still thinking in terms of SP's being the most important factor in the game. IT'S NOT. Wealth and social status ARE far more important than how many SP you have. There are characters far younger than mine that are more well known and wealthy than me, all due to the fact that they actually achieved something ingame that the rest of the players recognised.
But that's just my opinion. I'd rather be having fun than waiting in line. I completely understand why established players enjoy EVE. I would probably enjoy EVE too if I had a 3 year old character and didn't feel as if I were standing in line.
What are you wating in line for? There is no point to waiting around in EVE, you are just hurting yourself by doing that when instead you should be out interacting with players and increasing your assets.
Skill points don't matter in the long run. I've played since the start and have 27 million skill points. My friend has only been playing a year now and has just over 10 million. HE IS MY EQUAL ON THE BATTLEFIELD. Actually he is better in some aspects and I am better in others. The difference, I have a crapload of industrial and non-combat related skills that I used to use but rarely do anymore, I can fly a few more ships than he can and can mine a little better. My clone also costs 3 times what his does.
A new player does not need to have 27 million SP or even 10 million SP to interact with the playerbase, or have fun, but they can't just sit there and expect the game to lead them around by the nose. You have to find or create your own fun. For some people that is building a network of allies or a corporation of likeminded individuals.
Originally posted by bugzonlsd I made the mistake of dowloading Eve Online from direct 2 drive this morning, Not even 5 to 10 minutes of the tutorial did i feel like puking and was embarrased at myself for having spent the measily 20 dollars to get it. I dont see how anyone could like that game.
You got to give it more than 5-10 minutes. I just started the 14 day trial and the tutorial takes a good 2 + hours to go through but it is definitely worth it. The game has a lot of depth but for me that is a good thing because I find myself getting bored quickly with all these other cookie cutter MMO's. I am not sure if I am going to subscribe to this game after my trial is up but I am definitely enjoying it so far. 5-10 minutes though is not enough time to judge it though, I would say that you probably have a bit of ADD if you wrote it off so soon.
Originally posted by Aetius73 Originally posted by binjuice Originally posted by bugzonlsd Btw way ..UO was never as good as people say it was, anyone now can go to uo and see the shotty graphics and lame view perspective, it hasnt changed lol. Enjoy playing Eve pft
Why does this guy make me laugh, basing an evaluation on UO purely by the graphics quality...
Thats an awfully good question. Most veteran gamers have come to realize especially ones claiming to have played for 10 years or more that the most important aspect of the game is content not graphics. If graphics is your whole reason for playing a game then you totally lack imagination and do not belong anywhere near a computer game. The best graphics to be found anywere is real life if that is why you play a game then you are playing the wrong one if it involves a computer. I always find this argument about graphics quality to be boring and repeditive they didn't even have graphics when I started playing you newer gamers have it so good.
p.s. yes I walked to school uphill both ways in the snow
Nah bro the point was...Uo's graphics like any game at that time were shotty we all knew it, so anything with good graphics was an eye pleaser, so as I said I wouldnt be surprised if people ran up on Eve like a crackfiend looking for a fix. But you make a point there content is great but a game overall needs everything, its not just how its looks, but how it sounds and plays.
heh...you asked or questioned my age or something in the one post, lets just say pinball, pac man, space invaders,Joust, Donkey Kong and Pheonix and the old arcades like Starwars that had white squiggely lines for canyon terrain. I may not be dinosaur old bud, but Ive been around the block.
Noone based any evaluation of any game PURELY on graphics, its just something this guy keeps repeating for attention lol.
Ps. Get over it man, walking uphill in the snow barefoot bothways wasnt so bad, as long as you finished school, got a job and life and dont have to do it anymore it should have built character.
Originally posted by Aetius73 Originally posted by bugzonlsd
Hrmm...speaking of bright..., who the hell spends 649 hours playing a game that sux? That to me isnt very "bright". Now granted I know some of you people like Eve and or love it, if my post offended thats my bad, its just my opinion and I stand by it. To me Eve is a waste of disk space and money. If you like this and play it, Im glad you have something you enjoy, btw I never said anything about Eve players NEVER PLAYED ANY OTHER MMOS, read the post you idiot, I said play a real mmo. And... hell no Im not still playing it, if your gonna assume something, assume you can READ before you jump on a bs flame wagon. People rate games and give honest opinions here, thats exactly what I did.
I guess we should consult with you as to what constitutes a real MMO? That is pretty much the only way to interpret such a statement. So please impart to us the list of real MMOs oh great one.
As for the rest of it you flip flop worse than Kerry. You said you only played for 10 min then when someone called you on that, that it wasn't enough time to evaluate a game you changed your position to saying you played more than ten minutes. However you also said that it was making you violently ill so either you played for 10 minutes and therefore don't have enough experience to give a valid opnion on the game, or you continued to play a game that was making you ill which is stupid. Which is it?
Check back in when you decide which position you are going to adopt, and why is it you trolls always resort to direct insults instead of valid arguments? Idiot indeed. I know because your premises always come up short when attempting to support your invalid conclusion!
p.s. how many thousands of hours did you waste on SWG to get your uber Jedi?
Sure as hell didnt take thousands of hours there bud, much less 655, Nor did any of the other 17 professions I had, wasnt easy with vis But the job got done. Save that "Ubar" bs talk for yourself and your NGE clicky and Ebaying Jedi friends. Screw the rest of your post, doesnt even interest me to reply to it.
Originally posted by bugzonlsd Originally posted by Aetius73 Originally posted by binjuice Originally posted by bugzonlsd Btw way ..UO was never as good as people say it was, anyone now can go to uo and see the shotty graphics and lame view perspective, it hasnt changed lol. Enjoy playing Eve pft
Why does this guy make me laugh, basing an evaluation on UO purely by the graphics quality...
Thats an awfully good question. Most veteran gamers have come to realize especially ones claiming to have played for 10 years or more that the most important aspect of the game is content not graphics. If graphics is your whole reason for playing a game then you totally lack imagination and do not belong anywhere near a computer game. The best graphics to be found anywere is real life if that is why you play a game then you are playing the wrong one if it involves a computer. I always find this argument about graphics quality to be boring and repeditive they didn't even have graphics when I started playing you newer gamers have it so good.
p.s. yes I walked to school uphill both ways in the snow
Nah bro the point was...Uo's graphics like any game at that time were shotty we all knew it, so anything with good graphics was an eye pleaser, so as I said I wouldnt be surprised if people ran up on Eve like a crackfiend looking for a fix. But you make a point there content is great but a game overall needs everything, its not just how its looks, but how it sounds and plays.
heh...you asked or questioned my age or something in the one post, lets just say pinball, pac man, space invaders,Joust, Donkey Kong and Pheonix and the old arcades like Starwars that had white squiggely lines for canyon terrain. I may not be dinosaur old bud, but Ive been around the block.
Noone based any evaluation of any game PURELY on graphics, its just something this guy keeps repeating for attention lol.
Ps. Get over it man, walking uphill in the snow barefoot bothways wasnt so bad, as long as you finished school, got a job and life and dont have to do it anymore it should have built character.
Shotty compared to now... If I remember correctly... UO's graphics were terrific when UO came out... which was forever-ago... I believe back during the DX-7 days... give or take... maybe sooner, maybe later.
Originally posted by bugzonlsd I made the mistake of dowloading Eve Online from direct 2 drive this morning, Not even 5 to 10 minutes of the tutorial did i feel like puking and was embarrased at myself for having spent the measily 20 dollars to get it. I dont see how anyone could like that game.
Just pointing out that you made a post like this above one and then have the gaul to say you judge games completely. 5 to 10 minutes was literally enough time to go over what each button in the station does. You SO had the game down...
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Originally posted by bugzonlsd Ps. Get over it man, walking uphill in the snow barefoot bothways wasnt so bad, as long as you finished school, got a job and life and dont have to do it anymore it should have built character.
You missed the whole point of the statement. It was basically used in the context that new gamers have it much better than the original generation of video gamers so their complaints tend to fall on deaf ears especially when it comes to graphics.
Sure as hell didnt take thousands of hours there bud, much less 655, Nor did any of the other 17 professions I had, wasnt easy with vis But the job got done. Save that "Ubar" bs talk for yourself and your NGE clicky and Ebaying Jedi friends. Screw the rest of your post, doesnt even interest me to reply to it.
Grinded out my Jedi just like the rest of the cattle wish I would have been as timely as my buddy that sold his the week before the NGE hit. I looked down on Ebay Jedi same as everyone else, and thoughts of the NGE just make me sick. From your post it does sound like you indeed grinded out a jedi (wasn't sure you had one I have seen you in the swg forum most of the refugeess overthere are disgruntled people that grinded jedi and had it taken away). Anyways that brings me to my point I had several friends that all grinded Jedi besides the one that got lucky and hit it on the eighth profession (same guy that sold his the week before the NGE he defintly led a charmed life in SWG hehe) they pounded away at it for 40 hours a week over a span of months. One of them actually ran an xfire signature the whole time(he unlocked the night before the NGE went live just to finish what he started despite it being a futile effort) his xfire recoreded 1300 hours worth of grinding. Granted some of that was JTL parties socializing etc. but the great majority of it was spent grinding.So you'll pardon me if I am somewhat skeptical about your boast of having done it in less than 655 hours.
The last statement tells me you have exhausted your argument in defence of your weak position which made little sence when you elaborated further on it. Although you are one of the few EVE detractors that hasn't gotten a post deleted for crude and vulgar word useage this week so congrats on that.
EVE certainly isn't as good as SWG was pre-CU or perhaps even CU, but right now its the best out there that fits my tastes so I will keep playing it. You are defintly entitled to your opnion of the game but we get so much negative posting in the forum that some of us feel the need respond to them so its nothing personal. I just don't want potential players to avoid it because of all the negative posts. It is a niche game and does take a person with a certain temperment to appreciate what CCP has created. So it is defintly not for everyone out of all my ex-swg guildmates only 1 other likes it (out of about 40 people).
p.s. Noob is part of uber BS talk which is right there in your signature! Talk about hypocrite its ok for you to use it, but not for me to use it when I was trying to make a point?
Just pointing out that you made a post like this above one and then have the gaul to say you judge games completely. 5 to 10 minutes was literally enough time to go over what each button in the station does. You SO had the game down...
Thats been my whole argument all along hence the flipflops like Kerry statement earlier in the thread.
I just felt in order for him to be speaking the truth on judging games completly he would have had to spend a bit more than the 5-10 minutes he intially claimed but later retracted. Which made me question the whole line of reasoning because he either played it for 5-10 min or played something that was making him sick a whole lot longer than 10 minutes which in itself didn't seem prudent.
Originally posted by Aetius73 Originally posted by SobaMan
Just pointing out that you made a post like this above one and then have the gaul to say you judge games completely. 5 to 10 minutes was literally enough time to go over what each button in the station does. You SO had the game down...
Thats been my whole argument all along hence the flipflops like Kerry statement earlier in the thread.
I just felt in order for him to be speaking the truth on judging games completly he would have had to spend a bit more than the 5-10 minutes he intially claimed but later retracted. Which made me question the whole line of reasoning because he either played it for 5-10 min or played something that was making him sick a whole lot longer than 10 minutes which in itself didn't seem prudent.
Ok...you guys got me curious now, my account is still useable I think, even though I canceled. You tell me how much time you all think it takes to rate a game as you feel the need to dicredit and disprove my opinion, seeing as the account is more then likely open for play until billing date, If you think I didnt take enough time to judge this game fairly, and I guess since you guys like it so damn much and feel so emotionaly attached to it, maybe its worth a second look even if only because you people think I judged unfairly or too swiftly.
If indeed after the time you suggest I find the game to be more then what I thought it was, then not only will I retract my statements, but write an apology to all Eve players on this board in one post, say its the GOD OF MMOS and never post in here again. Now... if I find after that time that Eve sux even worse then I previously thought, then you guys will admit it openly and agree right here on these boards that Eve sux and retract your statements towards my opinions and stfu when I rate a game. Fair enough?
Originally posted by bugzonlsdOk...you guys got me curious now, my account is still useable I think, even though I canceled. You tell me how much time you all think it takes to rate a game as you feel the need to dicredit and disprove my opinion, seeing as the account is more then likely open for play until billing date, If you think I didnt take enough time to judge this game fairly, and I guess since you guys like it so damn much and feel so emotionaly attached to it, maybe its worth a second look even if only because you people think I judged unfairly or too swiftly. If indeed after the time you suggest I find the game to be more then what I thought it was, then not only will I retract my statements, but write an apology to all Eve players on this board in one post, say its the GOD OF MMOS and never post in here again. Now... if I find after that time that Eve sux even worse then I previously thought, then you guys will admit it openly and agree right here on these boards that Eve sux and retract your statements towards my opinions and stfu when I rate a game. Fair enough?
Why my friend why do you complicate yourself so highly with such matters, if you take insult from those that do believe this game to out do any others, why don't you conform? Your stance of irrashinality from playing a game for 10 minutes does not justify the actions of being an absolute tard. If you played ten minutes of WoW would you be able to tell me that you liked it or hated it because of reasons that were in the what, tutorial? Ever used the Ragnorok Online tutorial, it is a piece of... Boring, plain, does nothing for you. Now you sy youplayed Eve and what, left the station and umm, floated in space for a bit before going, "Bah! Too boring." otherwise you would have gone and started the tutorial which then flooded your mind with so much technical data about game dynamics and the UI that you though, "Ok, I can't cope" Now saying that you will give the game another shot because; we, the posters of a mmoRPG site (emphisis on the RPG because thats what the game GENRE is you moron, not a friggin MMOG < no such thing in official terms.. If your going to be a nerd, do it right) How do we have the actual influence of your life, reality says that we come herre for our leisure, and you playing a game you do not like because you 'threw up after gagging' 5-10 minutes in is not an excuse. My friend you are a bigget, a Hyporcrite and use poor excuses to sarcasm. I am posting this whilst drunk and stil think you are a fool. Look I use proper english too! Sht some times I wonder if humanity should have been given the ability to teach speech to those that do not understand the first points of a sain argument, let alone knowing how to implament the knowledge given to them!.
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Love the morons who post arguments, I like tearing their wills from them... Wonder if this will get deleted... Sos admins.. But he deserves worse *is happy and smiles*
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Originally posted by bugzonlsd Ok...you guys got me curious now, my account is still useable I think, even though I canceled. You tell me how much time you all think it takes to rate a game as you feel the need to dicredit and disprove my opinion, seeing as the account is more then likely open for play until billing date, If you think I didnt take enough time to judge this game fairly, and I guess since you guys like it so damn much and feel so emotionaly attached to it, maybe its worth a second look even if only because you people think I judged unfairly or too swiftly.
If indeed after the time you suggest I find the game to be more then what I thought it was, then not only will I retract my statements, but write an apology to all Eve players on this board in one post, say its the GOD OF MMOS and never post in here again. Now... if I find after that time that Eve sux even worse then I previously thought, then you guys will admit it openly and agree right here on these boards that Eve sux and retract your statements towards my opinions and stfu when I rate a game. Fair enough?
You have defintly gained some respect in my eyes with this post. I admit I may have been a bit overzealous in attacking anyone posting negative opinions of EVE in the forums this week thanks to the massive influx of EVE detractors. I might respectfully agree to disagree, but I do have a bit more to say on it.
As previously indicated I have mentioned that EVE is not for everyone and may not in fact be for you.
It is one of those games were a lot of patience pays off and becomes several minutes of heart pounding action that is unparralled in other games I have played to date. There are also a couple of other aspects to the end game that appeal to a certain kind of person mainly what in SWG would be known as crafters, and guild leader/mayors. The crafting system is pretty much the best we have right now (Roma Victor does look awfully promising though), and the in game politics among corporations and alliances as they go about their business is second to none and would bring great enjoyment to the political player.
I played for about 4 hours total last night let me tell you a little bit about my night to give you a window on why some of us like it so much.
I logged in and there was a gang going out on anti-pirate patrol in the areas my alliance patrols outside of our territory to keep the pirates to a minimum so I signed up and jumped into my Hawk outfitted to tackle.
After about an hour of patroling around our advanced scout finally called out an enemy a lone Raven sitting about 15k off a gate. Fearing an ambush our Fleet Commander ordered tacklers in but everyone else hold. So me and 3 others warped to the gate locked up the Raven (Caldari Battleship), and warp scrambled him. We took a tight high speed orbit around the target to try and avoid his guns and hang on to wait to see if he had any friends. After about 60 seconds the FC ordered in the rest of the gang a mixed bag of Battleships and Cruisers and we finished him off.
What did I feel during that 60 seconds of unknown time not knowing if an enemy force was fixing to pounce on me and kill me? I actually felt a combination of excitement and fear. Fear that my 20 million credit ship and 10 million in mods not to mention my 80 million in implants were in danger of all being lost (that is about 5-6 hours of NPC ratting in 0.0 with a good Battleship). Excitement in the fact that I was engauged with another person knowing that he was having the exact same feelings that I was, and in fact was risking a far more valueable ship.
We resumed our patrol capped a couple of know enemy alts in Rookie ships, and then received a request from one of our Alliance's corp leaders to secure the gate to empire so they could bring a pos or pos parts through in a hauler (not quite sure don't know that much about POSes). Anyways so we took up our position at the gate to hold it against any hostiles (many neutral pilots took this oppurtunity to move stuff through safely as we are known not to cap neutrals). We started BSing on team speak about our recent victory over the French alliance that vowed to kill us all( as an american where else do I get to take my frustrations out on the French? Soon our scout called out that a pirate destroyer was apporaching the gate from the other side (our scout was cloaked on monitoring traffinc from the other side of the gate). We made ready deployed our warp bubbles so he couldn't get away. He jumped in we scrambled him and killed him a nice spike of adrenaline from the victory, but not very long lived because we won so quickly.
The hauler with the POS came through we escorted him back to our space and resumed our patrol. Not wanting to write an entire book on the subject I am gonna stop right here. We still had about 2 more hours to our patrol.
Basically does this interest you? Unlike any other MMO other there you are taking real risks to PVP in EVE which breeds its own special kind of excitement. Its kind of like the excitement you felt when a BH showed up to kill your Jedi. You were facing real loss there which made it an emotional high to experience. If not I would say move along and not look back just recognize that some of us love our game and will defend it to the death. If it does play on.
Just imagine what it felt to just barley survive a couple of major battles during one of our wars. The excitement the fear at almost dieing and the jubilation at coming out on top are some of the most exciting moments I ever had in a game; however inbetween these moments of excitment are many hours of what might be termed grinding for cash buying stuff for your ships traveling etc.
If this sounds like something you might enjoy I would say dive in. If not I understand many of my friends did not either, and we can agree to disagree.
Originally posted by binjuice Originally posted by bugzonlsdOk...you guys got me curious now, my account is still useable I think, even though I canceled. You tell me how much time you all think it takes to rate a game as you feel the need to dicredit and disprove my opinion, seeing as the account is more then likely open for play until billing date, If you think I didnt take enough time to judge this game fairly, and I guess since you guys like it so damn much and feel so emotionaly attached to it, maybe its worth a second look even if only because you people think I judged unfairly or too swiftly. If indeed after the time you suggest I find the game to be more then what I thought it was, then not only will I retract my statements, but write an apology to all Eve players on this board in one post, say its the GOD OF MMOS and never post in here again. Now... if I find after that time that Eve sux even worse then I previously thought, then you guys will admit it openly and agree right here on these boards that Eve sux and retract your statements towards my opinions and stfu when I rate a game. Fair enough?
Why my friend why do you complicate yourself so highly with such matters, if you take insult from those that do believe this game to out do any others, why don't you conform? Your stance of irrashinality from playing a game for 10 minutes does not justify the actions of being an absolute tard. If you played ten minutes of WoW would you be able to tell me that you liked it or hated it because of reasons that were in the what, tutorial? Ever used the Ragnorok Online tutorial, it is a piece of... Boring, plain, does nothing for you. Now you sy youplayed Eve and what, left the station and umm, floated in space for a bit before going, "Bah! Too boring." otherwise you would have gone and started the tutorial which then flooded your mind with so much technical data about game dynamics and the UI that you though, "Ok, I can't cope" Now saying that you will give the game another shot because; we, the posters of a mmoRPG site (emphisis on the RPG because thats what the game GENRE is you moron, not a friggin MMOG < no such thing in official terms.. If your going to be a nerd, do it right) How do we have the actual influence of your life, reality says that we come herre for our leisure, and you playing a game you do not like because you 'threw up after gagging' 5-10 minutes in is not an excuse. My friend you are a bigget, a Hyporcrite and use poor excuses to sarcasm. I am posting this whilst drunk and stil think you are a fool. Look I use proper english too! Sht some times I wonder if humanity should have been given the ability to teach speech to those that do not understand the first points of a sain argument, let alone knowing how to implament the knowledge given to them!.
*Dances around to 'Rosa Helikopter' by 'peaches' cause it seems right*
Love the morons who post arguments, I like tearing their wills from them... Wonder if this will get deleted... Sos admins.. But he deserves worse *is happy and smiles*
Gotta love the drunks...
Wont comment on that much more lol
Eve is listed in a MMO site and if its a RPG as you say with lots of people playing it, guess what my alcoholic friend IT'S an MMORPG.
Love the morons who think they "tear" wills from people. Those to me are the most amusing.
read the post below yours btw..this guy makes a point. You? I dont know wth you were thinking lol
Originally posted by Aetius73 Originally posted by bugzonlsd Ok...you guys got me curious now, my account is still useable I think, even though I canceled. You tell me how much time you all think it takes to rate a game as you feel the need to dicredit and disprove my opinion, seeing as the account is more then likely open for play until billing date, If you think I didnt take enough time to judge this game fairly, and I guess since you guys like it so damn much and feel so emotionaly attached to it, maybe its worth a second look even if only because you people think I judged unfairly or too swiftly.
If indeed after the time you suggest I find the game to be more then what I thought it was, then not only will I retract my statements, but write an apology to all Eve players on this board in one post, say its the GOD OF MMOS and never post in here again. Now... if I find after that time that Eve sux even worse then I previously thought, then you guys will admit it openly and agree right here on these boards that Eve sux and retract your statements towards my opinions and stfu when I rate a game. Fair enough?
You have defintly gained some respect in my eyes with this post. I admit I may have been a bit overzealous in attacking anyone posting negative opinions of EVE in the forums this week thanks to the massive influx of EVE detractors. I might respectfully agree to disagree, but I do have a bit more to say on it.
As previously indicated I have mentioned that EVE is not for everyone and may not in fact be for you.
It is one of those games were a lot of patience pays off and becomes several minutes of heart pounding action that is unparralled in other games I have played to date. There are also a couple of other aspects to the end game that appeal to a certain kind of person mainly what in SWG would be known as crafters, and guild leader/mayors. The crafting system is pretty much the best we have right now (Roma Victor does look awfully promising though), and the in game politics among corporations and alliances as they go about their business is second to none and would bring great enjoyment to the political player.
I played for about 4 hours total last night let me tell you a little bit about my night to give you a window on why some of us like it so much.
I logged in and there was a gang going out on anti-pirate patrol in the areas my alliance patrols outside of our territory to keep the pirates to a minimum so I signed up and jumped into my Hawk outfitted to tackle.
After about an hour of patroling around our advanced scout finally called out an enemy a lone scorpion sitting about 15k off a gate. Fearing an ambush our Fleet Commander ordered tacklers in but everyone else hold. So me and 3 others warped to the gate locked up the Raven (Caldari Battleship), and warp scrambled him. We took a tight high speed orbit around the target to try and avoid his guns and hang on to wait to see if he had any friends. After about 60 seconds the FC ordered in the rest of the gang a mixed bag of Battleships and Cruisers and we finished him off.
What did I feel during that 60 seconds of unknown time not knowing if an enemy force was fixing to pounce on me and kill me? I actually felt a combination of excitement and fear. Fear that my 20 million credit ship and 10 million in mods not to mention my 80 million in implants were in danger of all being lost (that is about 5-6 hours of NPC ratting in 0.0 with a good Battleship). Excitement in the fact that I was engauged with another person knowing that he was having the exact same feelings that I was, and in fact was risking a far more valueable ship.
We resumed our patrol capped a couple of know enemy alts in Rookie ships, and then received a request from one of our Alliance's corp leaders to secure the gate to empire so they could bring a pos or pos parts through in a hauler (not quite sure don't know that much about POSes). Anyways so we took up our position at the gate to hold it against any hostiles (many neutral pilots took this oppurtunity to move stuff through safely as we are known not to cap neutrals). We started BSing on team speak about our recent victory over the French alliance that vowed to kill us all( as an american where else do I get to take my frustrations out on the French? Soon our scout called out that a pirate destroyer was apporaching the gate from the other side (our scout was cloaked on monitoring traffinc from the other side of the gate). We made ready deployed our warp bubbles so he couldn't get away. He jumped in we scrambled him and killed him a nice spike of adrenaline from the victory, but not very long lived because we won so quickly.
The hauler with the POS came through we escorted him back to our space and resumed our patrol. Not wanting to write an entire book on the subject I am gonna stop right here. We still had about 2 more hours to our patrol.
Basically does this interest you? Unlike any other MMO other there you are taking real risks to PVP in EVE which breeds its own special kind of excitement. Its kind of like the excitement you felt when a BH showed up to kill your Jedi. You were facing real loss there which made it an emotional high to experience. If not I would say move along and not look back just recognize that some of us love our game and will defend it to the death. If it does play on.
Just imagine what it felt to just barley survive a couple of major battles during one of our wars. The excitement the fear at almost dieing and the jubilation at coming out on top are some of the most exciting moments I ever had in a game; however inbetween these moments of excitment are many hours of what might be termed grinding for cash buying stuff for your ships traveling etc.
If this sounds like something you might enjoy I would say dive in. If not I understand many of my friends did not either, and we can agree to disagree.
I'll admit there bud, it sounds interesting. And you did a good job of describing the game as you see it, well done.
In there somewhere you mentioned something to the effect of Eve bashing or something similar, I didnt come to piss anyone off or try to hurt anyone emotionaly lol, Just gave my opinion on the time I had in the game.
I do keep replying and defending my decision because people stay on the "ten minute topic" I believe had I said "Not even ten minutes into the game, I felt I had found a new home and love Eve so far" these people would not have jumped on an emotional flameride lol whether I had only played for ten minutes, two days or two weeks. But in all honesty if these people were so intelectually superior as they claim to be , I'd have gotten the same response eitherway, which I highly doubt.
Yes in Swg like many other Jedi, I had a Droid Engineer,Politician ( ran my own player city ), and I actually recall people I knew saying they were going to play Eve due to the implementation of the NGE, and that is the only reason I bought and dl the game. Fact of the matter is.. I didnt find it to be what I thought and didnt like it at all. I'm an avid gamer like everyone else here, and granted maybe the decision was a bit hasty, so second chances may be very well needed here who knows. But the behavior of the people replying just shows me the community aspect of Eve, and its not looking good.
Like I said, I'll go back and give it another shot, or not, who knows.
As for the rest of you people, if anyone plans on hushing "Eve naysayers" it'll be people like this guy who present the positives and insight of the game aspects, instead of continualy attacking someone.
Originally posted by bugzonlsd I made the mistake of dowloading Eve Online from direct 2 drive this morning, Not even 5 to 10 minutes of the tutorial did i feel like puking and was embarrased at myself for having spent the measily 20 dollars to get it. I dont see how anyone could like that game.
I'm glad you toned it down and acting more respectful than the initial impression I got. But honestly doesn't this look like flame bait?
Well Well Well, I see you like to make fun of myself drunk! - FLAME! -
Nah, like why would I care, drunk posts should be deleted.. Anyway, you did setup flame bait with your 'opiniative piece' and well, this being a game forum and all, I took the chance to flame someone, it sounds sad that I enjoy flaming people, it sounds worse that I'll bait you with pathetic rebuttles in a hope to keep it going. But hey, i'm that immature 18 yearold gamer with so much arrogance it isn't plausable, 'I can't lose, I never lose!'
So yes, my own personality creates the flame biter, and yes, you say that we drag the true debaters down. But I do not find this place formal at all. Hell I won't even re read my posts here. Theres no point, I'll never truelly be able to influence you (unless you have no will, at ALL) and so why truelly try, and in reference, why post then..? Because I like to see anger in people who usually cannot take it out.
It is a reason it took so long for static_wolf to get on my nerves... Cyes round!
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There's no reason to be nasty and name call. If you want people to stop "bashing" your game then you should try to be more civil toward people who disagree with your opinions. Flaming anyone who says, "I didn't like this part of EVE," just makes the EVE community seem hostile and irrational and invites other people to "bash" your game by reafirming the people that you are flaming.
A lot of people view massively multi-player online games (or massively multi-player online role-playing games if you're a role-player
A lot of people play games for fun.
Having to not only wait weeks before getting to the fun part but also pay for the boring part seems masochistic. I don't believe this has anything to do with wanting instant gratification more than simply wanting to enjoy the game that you are paying for.
You don't have to wait weeks to get to the fun part, for some people the fun part is actually interacting with other people or achieving goals in the game. Getting thier first frigate/cruiser/bs, their first 1 million isk/10 million isk/100 million isk.
You have to wait in line before you can ride a ride at Disney World. People complained about the wait times and stopped going to the park. Disney's response was to shorten the wait time by offering a "fast pass".
I'd love to play a MMOG where I could just jump right in and interact with the other players as if I had been there all along. I see no reason to delay my ability to interact with other players. The entire reason to play a MMOG is to be able to interact with other players.
What's stopping you from doing that in EVE, you don't need to be piloting any particular ship to interact with people.
I don't believe that removing EVE's skill system would make EVE less fun.
If everyone started EVE at the same level (imagine everyone being maxed in every skill from the start) would you quit EVE because EVE would no longer be fun to play?
You still have your friends. You still have your wealth. You still perform the same activities as always. The only difference would be that even a new player could pilot a high-skill ship if they could get their hands on an expensive ship ( either by being given access to a ship to pilot for a corporation or being given money to buy a ship since it would still take time to aquire ISK ).
Part of the reason for having to train to use different ships is so that by the time you are ready to fly one, you have a clue how to fit and fly them properly, otherwise people would be bitching and moaning about how their "super expensive ship" sucks cause they got podded. Hell players still do that from time to time.
EVE's skill system isn't meant to be fun for players. EVE's skill system is meant to make players feel as if their characters are an investment and to keep players paying to maintain their investments. I can understand why CCP would not want to get rid of EVE's skill system without having another hook to keep players paying ( items and cash can be transfered and so are less likely to keep players paying when they might otherwise become bored with the game and quit ).
Skill point totals are not why people play the game, the dynamic player run market/alliances/corporations and the open-endedness are why people play. Also the PVP, it's all about risk vs reward. If you can't measure gain there is no meaning to loss. This game is the only one I have EVER played that gives me an adrenaline rush in PVP, in any genre. That's more than enough hook for most of the players.
I don't view being the longest paying player as either an achievement or a goal for new players to strive for. Other MMOGs allow players to advance their characters at an uneven rate therefor allowing players to achieve status within the game at their own pace. EVE's skill system removes the player from the game by rewarding its most loyal customers rather than its most dedicated players ( in reference to EVE's skill system and character advancement, not wealth or social status which are not at issue here ).
You are still thinking in terms of SP's being the most important factor in the game. IT'S NOT. Wealth and social status ARE far more important than how many SP you have. There are characters far younger than mine that are more well known and wealthy than me, all due to the fact that they actually achieved something ingame that the rest of the players recognised.
But that's just my opinion. I'd rather be having fun than waiting in line. I completely understand why established players enjoy EVE. I would probably enjoy EVE too if I had a 3 year old character and didn't feel as if I were standing in line.
What are you wating in line for? There is no point to waiting around in EVE, you are just hurting yourself by doing that when instead you should be out interacting with players and increasing your assets.
Skill points don't matter in the long run. I've played since the start and have 27 million skill points. My friend has only been playing a year now and has just over 10 million. HE IS MY EQUAL ON THE BATTLEFIELD. Actually he is better in some aspects and I am better in others. The difference, I have a crapload of industrial and non-combat related skills that I used to use but rarely do anymore, I can fly a few more ships than he can and can mine a little better. My clone also costs 3 times what his does.
A new player does not need to have 27 million SP or even 10 million SP to interact with the playerbase, or have fun, but they can't just sit there and expect the game to lead them around by the nose. You have to find or create your own fun. For some people that is building a network of allies or a corporation of likeminded individuals.
Originally posted by bugzonlsd
I made the mistake of dowloading Eve Online from direct 2 drive this morning, Not even 5 to 10 minutes of the tutorial did i feel like puking and was embarrased at myself for having spent the measily 20 dollars to get it. I dont see how anyone could like that game.
You got to give it more than 5-10 minutes. I just started the 14 day trial and the tutorial takes a good 2 + hours to go through but it is definitely worth it. The game has a lot of depth but for me that is a good thing because I find myself getting bored quickly with all these other cookie cutter MMO's. I am not sure if I am going to subscribe to this game after my trial is up but I am definitely enjoying it so far. 5-10 minutes though is not enough time to judge it though, I would say that you probably have a bit of ADD if you wrote it off so soon.
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Thats an awfully good question. Most veteran gamers have come to realize especially ones claiming to have played for 10 years or more that the most important aspect of the game is content not graphics. If graphics is your whole reason for playing a game then you totally lack imagination and do not belong anywhere near a computer game. The best graphics to be found anywere is real life if that is why you play a game then you are playing the wrong one if it involves a computer. I always find this argument about graphics quality to be boring and repeditive they didn't even have graphics when I started playing you newer gamers have it so good.
p.s. yes I walked to school uphill both ways in the snow
Nah bro the point was...Uo's graphics like any game at that time were shotty we all knew it, so anything with good graphics was an eye pleaser, so as I said I wouldnt be surprised if people ran up on Eve like a crackfiend looking for a fix. But you make a point there content is great but a game overall needs everything, its not just how its looks, but how it sounds and plays.
heh...you asked or questioned my age or something in the one post, lets just say pinball, pac man, space invaders,Joust, Donkey Kong and Pheonix and the old arcades like Starwars that had white squiggely lines for canyon terrain. I may not be dinosaur old bud, but Ive been around the block.
Noone based any evaluation of any game PURELY on graphics, its just something this guy keeps repeating for attention lol.
Ps. Get over it man, walking uphill in the snow barefoot bothways wasnt so bad, as long as you finished school, got a job and life and dont have to do it anymore it should have built character.
I guess we should consult with you as to what constitutes a real MMO? That is pretty much the only way to interpret such a statement. So please impart to us the list of real MMOs oh great one.
As for the rest of it you flip flop worse than Kerry. You said you only played for 10 min then when someone called you on that, that it wasn't enough time to evaluate a game you changed your position to saying you played more than ten minutes. However you also said that it was making you violently ill so either you played for 10 minutes and therefore don't have enough experience to give a valid opnion on the game, or you continued to play a game that was making you ill which is stupid. Which is it?
Check back in when you decide which position you are going to adopt, and why is it you trolls always resort to direct insults instead of valid arguments? Idiot indeed. I know because your premises always come up short when attempting to support your invalid conclusion!
p.s. how many thousands of hours did you waste on SWG to get your uber Jedi?
Sure as hell didnt take thousands of hours there bud, much less 655, Nor did any of the other 17 professions I had, wasnt easy with vis But the job got done. Save that "Ubar" bs talk for yourself and your NGE clicky and Ebaying Jedi friends. Screw the rest of your post, doesnt even interest me to reply to it.
Thats an awfully good question. Most veteran gamers have come to realize especially ones claiming to have played for 10 years or more that the most important aspect of the game is content not graphics. If graphics is your whole reason for playing a game then you totally lack imagination and do not belong anywhere near a computer game. The best graphics to be found anywere is real life if that is why you play a game then you are playing the wrong one if it involves a computer. I always find this argument about graphics quality to be boring and repeditive they didn't even have graphics when I started playing you newer gamers have it so good.
p.s. yes I walked to school uphill both ways in the snow
Nah bro the point was...Uo's graphics like any game at that time were shotty we all knew it, so anything with good graphics was an eye pleaser, so as I said I wouldnt be surprised if people ran up on Eve like a crackfiend looking for a fix. But you make a point there content is great but a game overall needs everything, its not just how its looks, but how it sounds and plays.
heh...you asked or questioned my age or something in the one post, lets just say pinball, pac man, space invaders,Joust, Donkey Kong and Pheonix and the old arcades like Starwars that had white squiggely lines for canyon terrain. I may not be dinosaur old bud, but Ive been around the block.
Noone based any evaluation of any game PURELY on graphics, its just something this guy keeps repeating for attention lol.
Ps. Get over it man, walking uphill in the snow barefoot bothways wasnt so bad, as long as you finished school, got a job and life and dont have to do it anymore it should have built character.
Shotty compared to now... If I remember correctly... UO's graphics were terrific when UO came out... which was forever-ago... I believe back during the DX-7 days... give or take... maybe sooner, maybe later.
Just pointing out that you made a post like this above one and then have the gaul to say you judge games completely. 5 to 10 minutes was literally enough time to go over what each button in the station does. You SO had the game down...SobaKai.com
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You missed the whole point of the statement. It was basically used in the context that new gamers have it much better than the original generation of video gamers so their complaints tend to fall on deaf ears especially when it comes to graphics.
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Grinded out my Jedi just like the rest of the cattle wish I would have been as timely as my buddy that sold his the week before the NGE hit. I looked down on Ebay Jedi same as everyone else, and thoughts of the NGE just make me sick. From your post it does sound like you indeed grinded out a jedi (wasn't sure you had one I have seen you in the swg forum most of the refugeess overthere are disgruntled people that grinded jedi and had it taken away). Anyways that brings me to my point I had several friends that all grinded Jedi besides the one that got lucky and hit it on the eighth profession (same guy that sold his the week before the NGE he defintly led a charmed life in SWG hehe) they pounded away at it for 40 hours a week over a span of months. One of them actually ran an xfire signature the whole time(he unlocked the night before the NGE went live just to finish what he started despite it being a futile effort) his xfire recoreded 1300 hours worth of grinding. Granted some of that was JTL parties socializing etc. but the great majority of it was spent grinding.So you'll pardon me if I am somewhat skeptical about your boast of having done it in less than 655 hours.
The last statement tells me you have exhausted your argument in defence of your weak position which made little sence when you elaborated further on it. Although you are one of the few EVE detractors that hasn't gotten a post deleted for crude and vulgar word useage this week so congrats on that.
EVE certainly isn't as good as SWG was pre-CU or perhaps even CU, but right now its the best out there that fits my tastes so I will keep playing it. You are defintly entitled to your opnion of the game but we get so much negative posting in the forum that some of us feel the need respond to them so its nothing personal. I just don't want potential players to avoid it because of all the negative posts. It is a niche game and does take a person with a certain temperment to appreciate what CCP has created. So it is defintly not for everyone out of all my ex-swg guildmates only 1 other likes it (out of about 40 people).
p.s. Noob is part of uber BS talk which is right there in your signature! Talk about hypocrite its ok for you to use it, but not for me to use it when I was trying to make a point?
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Thats been my whole argument all along hence the flipflops like Kerry statement earlier in the thread.
I just felt in order for him to be speaking the truth on judging games completly he would have had to spend a bit more than the 5-10 minutes he intially claimed but later retracted. Which made me question the whole line of reasoning because he either played it for 5-10 min or played something that was making him sick a whole lot longer than 10 minutes which in itself didn't seem prudent.
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Thats been my whole argument all along hence the flipflops like Kerry statement earlier in the thread.
I just felt in order for him to be speaking the truth on judging games completly he would have had to spend a bit more than the 5-10 minutes he intially claimed but later retracted. Which made me question the whole line of reasoning because he either played it for 5-10 min or played something that was making him sick a whole lot longer than 10 minutes which in itself didn't seem prudent.
Ok...you guys got me curious now, my account is still useable I think, even though I canceled. You tell me how much time you all think it takes to rate a game as you feel the need to dicredit and disprove my opinion, seeing as the account is more then likely open for play until billing date, If you think I didnt take enough time to judge this game fairly, and I guess since you guys like it so damn much and feel so emotionaly attached to it, maybe its worth a second look even if only because you people think I judged unfairly or too swiftly.
If indeed after the time you suggest I find the game to be more then what I thought it was, then not only will I retract my statements, but write an apology to all Eve players on this board in one post, say its the GOD OF MMOS and never post in here again. Now... if I find after that time that Eve sux even worse then I previously thought, then you guys will admit it openly and agree right here on these boards that Eve sux and retract your statements towards my opinions and stfu when I rate a game. Fair enough?
Why my friend why do you complicate yourself so highly with such matters, if you take insult from those that do believe this game to out do any others, why don't you conform? Your stance of irrashinality from playing a game for 10 minutes does not justify the actions of being an absolute tard. If you played ten minutes of WoW would you be able to tell me that you liked it or hated it because of reasons that were in the what, tutorial? Ever used the Ragnorok Online tutorial, it is a piece of... Boring, plain, does nothing for you. Now you sy youplayed Eve and what, left the station and umm, floated in space for a bit before going, "Bah! Too boring." otherwise you would have gone and started the tutorial which then flooded your mind with so much technical data about game dynamics and the UI that you though, "Ok, I can't cope"
Now saying that you will give the game another shot because; we, the posters of a mmoRPG site (emphisis on the RPG because thats what the game GENRE is you moron, not a friggin MMOG < no such thing in official terms.. If your going to be a nerd, do it right) How do we have the actual influence of your life, reality says that we come herre for our leisure, and you playing a game you do not like because you 'threw up after gagging' 5-10 minutes in is not an excuse. My friend you are a bigget, a Hyporcrite and use poor excuses to sarcasm. I am posting this whilst drunk and stil think you are a fool. Look I use proper english too!
Sht some times I wonder if humanity should have been given the ability to teach speech to those that do not understand the first points of a sain argument, let alone knowing how to implament the knowledge given to them!.
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If indeed after the time you suggest I find the game to be more then what I thought it was, then not only will I retract my statements, but write an apology to all Eve players on this board in one post, say its the GOD OF MMOS and never post in here again. Now... if I find after that time that Eve sux even worse then I previously thought, then you guys will admit it openly and agree right here on these boards that Eve sux and retract your statements towards my opinions and stfu when I rate a game. Fair enough?
You have defintly gained some respect in my eyes with this post. I admit I may have been a bit overzealous in attacking anyone posting negative opinions of EVE in the forums this week thanks to the massive influx of EVE detractors. I might respectfully agree to disagree, but I do have a bit more to say on it.
As previously indicated I have mentioned that EVE is not for everyone and may not in fact be for you.
It is one of those games were a lot of patience pays off and becomes several minutes of heart pounding action that is unparralled in other games I have played to date. There are also a couple of other aspects to the end game that appeal to a certain kind of person mainly what in SWG would be known as crafters, and guild leader/mayors. The crafting system is pretty much the best we have right now (Roma Victor does look awfully promising though), and the in game politics among corporations and alliances as they go about their business is second to none and would bring great enjoyment to the political player.
I played for about 4 hours total last night let me tell you a little bit about my night to give you a window on why some of us like it so much.
I logged in and there was a gang going out on anti-pirate patrol in the areas my alliance patrols outside of our territory to keep the pirates to a minimum so I signed up and jumped into my Hawk outfitted to tackle.
After about an hour of patroling around our advanced scout finally called out an enemy a lone Raven sitting about 15k off a gate. Fearing an ambush our Fleet Commander ordered tacklers in but everyone else hold. So me and 3 others warped to the gate locked up the Raven (Caldari Battleship), and warp scrambled him. We took a tight high speed orbit around the target to try and avoid his guns and hang on to wait to see if he had any friends. After about 60 seconds the FC ordered in the rest of the gang a mixed bag of Battleships and Cruisers and we finished him off.
What did I feel during that 60 seconds of unknown time not knowing if an enemy force was fixing to pounce on me and kill me? I actually felt a combination of excitement and fear. Fear that my 20 million credit ship and 10 million in mods not to mention my 80 million in implants were in danger of all being lost (that is about 5-6 hours of NPC ratting in 0.0 with a good Battleship). Excitement in the fact that I was engauged with another person knowing that he was having the exact same feelings that I was, and in fact was risking a far more valueable ship.
We resumed our patrol capped a couple of know enemy alts in Rookie ships, and then received a request from one of our Alliance's corp leaders to secure the gate to empire so they could bring a pos or pos parts through in a hauler (not quite sure don't know that much about POSes). Anyways so we took up our position at the gate to hold it against any hostiles (many neutral pilots took this oppurtunity to move stuff through safely as we are known not to cap neutrals). We started BSing on team speak about our recent victory over the French alliance that vowed to kill us all( as an american where else do I get to take my frustrations out on the French?
Soon our scout called out that a pirate destroyer was apporaching the gate from the other side (our scout was cloaked on monitoring traffinc from the other side of the gate). We made ready deployed our warp bubbles so he couldn't get away. He jumped in we scrambled him and killed him a nice spike of adrenaline from the victory, but not very long lived because we won so quickly.
The hauler with the POS came through we escorted him back to our space and resumed our patrol. Not wanting to write an entire book on the subject I am gonna stop right here. We still had about 2 more hours to our patrol.
Basically does this interest you? Unlike any other MMO other there you are taking real risks to PVP in EVE which breeds its own special kind of excitement. Its kind of like the excitement you felt when a BH showed up to kill your Jedi. You were facing real loss there which made it an emotional high to experience. If not I would say move along and not look back just recognize that some of us love our game and will defend it to the death. If it does play on.
Just imagine what it felt to just barley survive a couple of major battles during one of our wars. The excitement the fear at almost dieing and the jubilation at coming out on top are some of the most exciting moments I ever had in a game; however inbetween these moments of excitment are many hours of what might be termed grinding for cash buying stuff for your ships traveling etc.
If this sounds like something you might enjoy I would say dive in. If not I understand many of my friends did not either, and we can agree to disagree.
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Why my friend why do you complicate yourself so highly with such matters, if you take insult from those that do believe this game to out do any others, why don't you conform? Your stance of irrashinality from playing a game for 10 minutes does not justify the actions of being an absolute tard. If you played ten minutes of WoW would you be able to tell me that you liked it or hated it because of reasons that were in the what, tutorial? Ever used the Ragnorok Online tutorial, it is a piece of... Boring, plain, does nothing for you. Now you sy youplayed Eve and what, left the station and umm, floated in space for a bit before going, "Bah! Too boring." otherwise you would have gone and started the tutorial which then flooded your mind with so much technical data about game dynamics and the UI that you though, "Ok, I can't cope"
Now saying that you will give the game another shot because; we, the posters of a mmoRPG site (emphisis on the RPG because thats what the game GENRE is you moron, not a friggin MMOG < no such thing in official terms.. If your going to be a nerd, do it right) How do we have the actual influence of your life, reality says that we come herre for our leisure, and you playing a game you do not like because you 'threw up after gagging' 5-10 minutes in is not an excuse. My friend you are a bigget, a Hyporcrite and use poor excuses to sarcasm. I am posting this whilst drunk and stil think you are a fool. Look I use proper english too!
Sht some times I wonder if humanity should have been given the ability to teach speech to those that do not understand the first points of a sain argument, let alone knowing how to implament the knowledge given to them!.
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Gotta love the drunks...
Wont comment on that much more lol
Eve is listed in a MMO site and if its a RPG as you say with lots of people playing it, guess what my alcoholic friend IT'S an MMORPG.
Love the morons who think they "tear" wills from people. Those to me are the most amusing.
read the post below yours btw..this guy makes a point. You? I dont know wth you were thinking lol
If indeed after the time you suggest I find the game to be more then what I thought it was, then not only will I retract my statements, but write an apology to all Eve players on this board in one post, say its the GOD OF MMOS and never post in here again. Now... if I find after that time that Eve sux even worse then I previously thought, then you guys will admit it openly and agree right here on these boards that Eve sux and retract your statements towards my opinions and stfu when I rate a game. Fair enough?
You have defintly gained some respect in my eyes with this post. I admit I may have been a bit overzealous in attacking anyone posting negative opinions of EVE in the forums this week thanks to the massive influx of EVE detractors. I might respectfully agree to disagree, but I do have a bit more to say on it.
As previously indicated I have mentioned that EVE is not for everyone and may not in fact be for you.
It is one of those games were a lot of patience pays off and becomes several minutes of heart pounding action that is unparralled in other games I have played to date. There are also a couple of other aspects to the end game that appeal to a certain kind of person mainly what in SWG would be known as crafters, and guild leader/mayors. The crafting system is pretty much the best we have right now (Roma Victor does look awfully promising though), and the in game politics among corporations and alliances as they go about their business is second to none and would bring great enjoyment to the political player.
I played for about 4 hours total last night let me tell you a little bit about my night to give you a window on why some of us like it so much.
I logged in and there was a gang going out on anti-pirate patrol in the areas my alliance patrols outside of our territory to keep the pirates to a minimum so I signed up and jumped into my Hawk outfitted to tackle.
After about an hour of patroling around our advanced scout finally called out an enemy a lone scorpion sitting about 15k off a gate. Fearing an ambush our Fleet Commander ordered tacklers in but everyone else hold. So me and 3 others warped to the gate locked up the Raven (Caldari Battleship), and warp scrambled him. We took a tight high speed orbit around the target to try and avoid his guns and hang on to wait to see if he had any friends. After about 60 seconds the FC ordered in the rest of the gang a mixed bag of Battleships and Cruisers and we finished him off.
What did I feel during that 60 seconds of unknown time not knowing if an enemy force was fixing to pounce on me and kill me? I actually felt a combination of excitement and fear. Fear that my 20 million credit ship and 10 million in mods not to mention my 80 million in implants were in danger of all being lost (that is about 5-6 hours of NPC ratting in 0.0 with a good Battleship). Excitement in the fact that I was engauged with another person knowing that he was having the exact same feelings that I was, and in fact was risking a far more valueable ship.
We resumed our patrol capped a couple of know enemy alts in Rookie ships, and then received a request from one of our Alliance's corp leaders to secure the gate to empire so they could bring a pos or pos parts through in a hauler (not quite sure don't know that much about POSes). Anyways so we took up our position at the gate to hold it against any hostiles (many neutral pilots took this oppurtunity to move stuff through safely as we are known not to cap neutrals). We started BSing on team speak about our recent victory over the French alliance that vowed to kill us all( as an american where else do I get to take my frustrations out on the French?
Soon our scout called out that a pirate destroyer was apporaching the gate from the other side (our scout was cloaked on monitoring traffinc from the other side of the gate). We made ready deployed our warp bubbles so he couldn't get away. He jumped in we scrambled him and killed him a nice spike of adrenaline from the victory, but not very long lived because we won so quickly.
The hauler with the POS came through we escorted him back to our space and resumed our patrol. Not wanting to write an entire book on the subject I am gonna stop right here. We still had about 2 more hours to our patrol.
Basically does this interest you? Unlike any other MMO other there you are taking real risks to PVP in EVE which breeds its own special kind of excitement. Its kind of like the excitement you felt when a BH showed up to kill your Jedi. You were facing real loss there which made it an emotional high to experience. If not I would say move along and not look back just recognize that some of us love our game and will defend it to the death. If it does play on.
Just imagine what it felt to just barley survive a couple of major battles during one of our wars. The excitement the fear at almost dieing and the jubilation at coming out on top are some of the most exciting moments I ever had in a game; however inbetween these moments of excitment are many hours of what might be termed grinding for cash buying stuff for your ships traveling etc.
If this sounds like something you might enjoy I would say dive in. If not I understand many of my friends did not either, and we can agree to disagree.
I'll admit there bud, it sounds interesting. And you did a good job of describing the game as you see it, well done.
In there somewhere you mentioned something to the effect of Eve bashing or something similar, I didnt come to piss anyone off or try to hurt anyone emotionaly lol, Just gave my opinion on the time I had in the game.
I do keep replying and defending my decision because people stay on the "ten minute topic" I believe had I said "Not even ten minutes into the game, I felt I had found a new home and love Eve so far" these people would not have jumped on an emotional flameride lol whether I had only played for ten minutes, two days or two weeks. But in all honesty if these people were so intelectually superior as they claim to be , I'd have gotten the same response eitherway, which I highly doubt.
Yes in Swg like many other Jedi, I had a Droid Engineer,Politician ( ran my own player city ), and I actually recall people I knew saying they were going to play Eve due to the implementation of the NGE, and that is the only reason I bought and dl the game. Fact of the matter is.. I didnt find it to be what I thought and didnt like it at all. I'm an avid gamer like everyone else here, and granted maybe the decision was a bit hasty, so second chances may be very well needed here who knows. But the behavior of the people replying just shows me the community aspect of Eve, and its not looking good.
Like I said, I'll go back and give it another shot, or not, who knows.
As for the rest of you people, if anyone plans on hushing "Eve naysayers" it'll be people like this guy who present the positives and insight of the game aspects, instead of continualy attacking someone.
Nah, like why would I care, drunk posts should be deleted.. Anyway, you did setup flame bait with your 'opiniative piece' and well, this being a game forum and all, I took the chance to flame someone, it sounds sad that I enjoy flaming people, it sounds worse that I'll bait you with pathetic rebuttles in a hope to keep it going. But hey, i'm that immature 18 yearold gamer with so much arrogance it isn't plausable, 'I can't lose, I never lose!'
So yes, my own personality creates the flame biter, and yes, you say that we drag the true debaters down. But I do not find this place formal at all. Hell I won't even re read my posts here. Theres no point, I'll never truelly be able to influence you (unless you have no will, at ALL) and so why truelly try, and in reference, why post then..? Because I like to see anger in people who usually cannot take it out.
It is a reason it took so long for static_wolf to get on my nerves... Cyes round!
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