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scaramooshscaramoosh Member Posts: 3,424
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That we're not suposed to know God exists, if we knew then there would be no free will?

After all he gave us free will, so God wants us to doubt the existance of God?

 

Personally i don't belive in God. There are things that do exist that we don't know though. So how can we say things do or do not exist?

 

Just a thought

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  • RazorbackRazorback Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 5,253

    Deep.....

    But actually you dont need to even consider it.

    If mankind just follws its nose we are only doing the same as any other species. The goal is survival.

    Spirituality is a luxury our species cant really afford.

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  • scaramooshscaramoosh Member Posts: 3,424

    Survival is a natural instinct, if it wasn't then we would have to think "i need to breathe now".

    God is us wanting there to be something after we die. We can't accept that when we die, thats it.

     

    I'm scared to die, only because it's the unknown

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  • scaramooshscaramoosh Member Posts: 3,424

    I do not like Hospitals because of "survival of the fittest"

     

    If someone has something wrong with them then they should die to make our speicies stronger and we do not carry that onto other people :)

    Because we cheat death and slow down that process, we're causing the distruction of our own race.

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  • Mikesta707Mikesta707 Member Posts: 338

    Originally posted by scaramoosh
    I do not like Hospitals because of "survival of the fittest"

    If someone has something wrong with them then they should die to make our speicies stronger and we do not carry that onto other people :)
    Because we cheat death and slow down that process, we're causing the distruction of our own race.

    As someone that almost died in a hospital, i can not and will not agree with that. If everyone that had something wrong with them just died then we would have, how many, like 3 people that consist of the human race. So to say that people getting better in hospitals makes our human race weaker is nonsense. humans have a natural extinct to survive any way possible, as do most animals. Why do you think that even the sick gazelles run when a lion tries to eat them. They dont want to die...

    Am I ever wrong??

  • FinweFinwe Member CommonPosts: 3,106

    Free will is the choice of picking one of two roads. One being the antithesis of the other. Doubt to belief, faith to hopelessness, etc.

    For the most part, those that believe in God, or a god, have only faith.

    Not many people are akin to Moses where they're speaking to the embodiment of God on earth.

    Saying something does, or does not exist, takes faith on both sides. It's the faith of "I'm right. They're wrong."

    Life is faith, simple as that. I still haven't been able to prove that myself, or anyone else exists. I guess I just live my life by faith.

     

    Razor, survival of the fittest, and an unaffordable luxury...Hrm. The words "Man does not live by bread alone" come to mind.image

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  • RazorbackRazorback Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 5,253


    Originally posted by Finwe

    Razor, survival of the fittest, and an unaffordable luxury...Hrm. The words "Man does not live by bread alone" come to mind.image

    If it was Pizza Bread it might work image

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  • Mikesta707Mikesta707 Member Posts: 338

    Originally posted by Razorback
    Originally posted by Finwe
    Razor, survival of the fittest, and an unaffordable luxury...Hrm. The words "Man does not live by bread alone" come to mind.imageIf it was Pizza Bread it might work image

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  • DaEm0nDaEm0n Member Posts: 520


    Originally posted by scaramoosh

    That we're not suposed to know God exists, if we knew then there would be no free will?
    After all he gave us free will, so God wants us to doubt the existance of God?
     
    Personally i don't belive in God. There are things that do exist that we don't know though. So how can we say things do or do not exist?
     
    Just a thought


    How do you think the universe was created? Out of nothing? Big Bang Theory, for example?

    If you do, you violate the first law of thermodynamics which states "energy and matter are neither created nor destroyed."

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  • Teddy3157Teddy3157 Member Posts: 112

    Originally posted by DaEm0n
    How do you think the universe was created? Out of nothing? Big Bang Theory, for example?
    If you do, you violate the first law of thermodynamics which states "energy and matter are neither created nor destroyed."
    Sorry, im like in nerd mode right now. image

    I think the big bang theory actually states that all matter was condensed into some ridiculously small thing which... one day decided to explode. It wasnt just created suddenly, it was all there, just all in one place.

    Kinda stupid but whatever...

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  • DaEm0nDaEm0n Member Posts: 520


    Originally posted by Teddy3157




    Originally posted by DaEm0n
    How do you think the universe was created? Out of nothing? Big Bang Theory, for example?
    If you do, you violate the first law of thermodynamics which states "energy and matter are neither created nor destroyed."
    Sorry, im like in nerd mode right now. image


    I think the big bang theory actually states that all matter was condensed into some ridiculously small thing which... one day decided to explode. It wasnt just created suddenly, it was all there, just all in one place.

    Kinda stupid but whatever...


    Ah! But, the universe was in a destructive state and went to a normal sociey over some billion years. THAT itself violates the second law of thermodynamics which states "the universe will go from order to disorder over time." (^_^) Can't go backwards.

    Once again, nerd mode.

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  • Teddy3157Teddy3157 Member Posts: 112

    Originally posted by DaEm0n
    Originally posted by Teddy3157 Originally posted by DaEm0nHow do you think the universe was created? Out of nothing? Big Bang Theory, for example?If you do, you violate the first law of thermodynamics which states "energy and matter are neither created nor destroyed." Sorry, im like in nerd mode right now. image
    I think the big bang theory actually states that all matter was condensed into some ridiculously small thing which... one day decided to explode. It wasnt just created suddenly, it was all there, just all in one place.
    Kinda stupid but whatever...
    Ah! But, the universe was in a destructive state and went to a normal sociey over some billion years. THAT itself violates the second law of thermodynamics which states "the universe will go from order to disorder over time." (^_^) Can't go backwards.
    Once again, nerd mode.


    I got nothin on this one.

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  • Mikesta707Mikesta707 Member Posts: 338

    Originally posted by DaEm0n
    Originally posted by Teddy3157 Originally posted by DaEm0nHow do you think the universe was created? Out of nothing? Big Bang Theory, for example?If you do, you violate the first law of thermodynamics which states "energy and matter are neither created nor destroyed." Sorry, im like in nerd mode right now. image
    I think the big bang theory actually states that all matter was condensed into some ridiculously small thing which... one day decided to explode. It wasnt just created suddenly, it was all there, just all in one place.
    Kinda stupid but whatever...
    Ah! But, the universe was in a destructive state and went to a normal sociey over some billion years. THAT itself violates the second law of thermodynamics which states "the universe will go from order to disorder over time." (^_^) Can't go backwards.
    Once again, nerd mode.


    oh dam. pwned

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  • mister_GuSmister_GuS Member Posts: 811

    wow that IS deep

    but i stick to my religion and even if there is no logical explination for it

    i stick by it and back it up ( catholic)

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  • DinionDinion Member Posts: 879

    If god is all knowing then there is no free will.
    If god is not all knowing then he(or she, niether would suffice since it's bringing god down to our level but just for the sake of discussing let's not care) is not really god.

    Blah Blah Blah, I've taken philosophy and religon courses too ::::28::. If you actaully want to have this kind of discussion(and not just flaunting off how superior your wisdom is to the rest of the MMO community) you might look for a Philosophy forum with people who major in thinking into stuff way too much. You'll get a better grasp of such things from there than you would a forum with a bunch of gaming nerds ::::01::.

    As for my religion, after spending a term studying several of them I prefer Hinduism.

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  • DaEm0nDaEm0n Member Posts: 520
    Well, this IS the off topic forum. image hehe

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  • sidebustersidebuster Member UncommonPosts: 1,712

         You do not need to be a philosophier or critical thinker to be able to disscuss or find the answer to free will. Just do a little experiment. Place an apple and an orrange down on the table. Then choose the one you want to eat. There you just chose X fruit thanks to free will.

    To proove that was free will you can just drop the one you chose and choose the other fruit.

    Or hell, eat both fruit.

    Or eat neither of the fruit.

    Your choice.

  • VampirVampir Member Posts: 4,239


    Originally posted by Dinion

    If god is all knowing then there is no free will.
    If god is not all knowing then he(or she, niether would suffice since it's bringing god down to our level but just for the sake of discussing let's not care) is not really god.
    Blah Blah Blah, I've taken philosophy and religon courses too ::::28::. If you actaully want to have this kind of discussion(and not just flaunting off how superior your wisdom is to the rest of the MMO community) you might look for a Philosophy forum with people who major in thinking into stuff way too much. You'll get a better grasp of such things from there than you would a forum with a bunch of gaming nerds ::::01::.
    As for my religion, after spending a term studying several of them I prefer Hinduism.


    i tried a philosophy board once, it was terrible everyone there uses entirely superfluos words that no one without a damn PHD can understand.

    they all take everything too seriously and flame worse then anyone here has ever flamed.

    the guy taking the nonexistencial viewpoints will flame the living hell out of the guy taking the existential viewpoint.

    and people will defend to the death statements like "john Locke is better then Sun tzu because"

    seriously all those boards are is a bunch of big immature idiots who can use fancy words.


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  • VampirVampir Member Posts: 4,239

    damn double post.

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  • DinionDinion Member Posts: 879

    Originally posted by sidebuster
    You do not need to be a philosophier or critical thinker to be able to disscuss or find the answer to free will. Just do a little experiment. Place an apple and an orrange down on the table. Then choose the one you want to eat. There you just chose X fruit thanks to free will.
    To proove that was free will you can just drop the one you chose and choose the other fruit.
    Or hell, eat both fruit.
    Which can be considered the illusion of free will because god already knew you would choose what you chose since forever.
    Well, this IS the off topic forum. hehe
    Didn't say you HAD to go just said it would be a better choice if you're really serious about it than an MMO forum would be.

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  • DaEm0nDaEm0n Member Posts: 520
    Hehe, but it looks like we already attracted some people who are interested. (^_^)

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  • DinionDinion Member Posts: 879

    Originally posted by Vergeltung

    i tried a philosophy board once, it was terrible everyone there uses entirely superfluos words that no one without a damn PHD can understand.
    they all take everything too seriously and flame worse then anyone here has ever flamed.
    the guy taking the nonexistencial viewpoints will flame the living hell out of the guy taking the existential viewpoint.
    and people will defend to the death statements like "john Locke is better then Sun tzu because"
    seriously all those boards are is a bunch of big immature idiots who can use fancy words.
    These forums look exactly the same to any outsider ::::28::.

    "Bunch of people flaming over which game is better!?! I mean WTF man! They keep using these words I don't understand like mob and agro!"

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  • noname12345noname12345 Member Posts: 2,267

    Religion is the MAIN reason why war even exists. To say you understand such a HUGE HUGE concept called God is just a timebomb ready to explode.

    I do hold some Buddhist beliefs, and some Pagan beliefs but only because I had those beliefs before I knew of theirs. I just can't believe in a God who sends down his children to Hell. Also Christians give God many Human traits like anger and jealousy but God can't possibly have those because God is perfect and anger is not perfection but actually a flaw.

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  • RazorbackRazorback Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 5,253


    Originally posted by Vergeltung



    i tried a philosophy board once, it was terrible everyone there uses entirely superfluos words that no one without a damn PHD can understand.


    Trust me most of them dont understand the words either they just say them to make you think they do.

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  • UmbroodUmbrood Member UncommonPosts: 1,809


    Originally posted by Finwe

    Saying something does, or does not exist, takes faith on both sides. It's the faith of "I'm right. They're wrong."

    In my experience that is not correct, and part of the trouble many people withouth" faith have with people that do.

    Most people that do not believe feels "I am right and I just do not care if they are wrong".

    Wereas people of religion feels "I am right and they are wrong and they will go to hell for it and it is my duty to save them".

    If any true god did exist or any religion was right then there would be no real need for missionaries, faith should come on its own and there would be NO need to TEACH people how to believe in the same thing you do.

    The one thing I would say to god if he came to prof his existence to me would be.

    "Well then, thats ok, but would you mind telling your followers to stop bothering me about this?"

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  • KiamdeKiamde Member CommonPosts: 5,820

    God wouldn't exist without humans.

    "Whoever controls the media controls the mind..-'Jim Morrison"

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