the official release date of April 27th isnt really official...
supposedly now its the two day jump start for pioneers (are there any left?) so the actual release date is April 29th
but they arent bothering to tell ya that
nor are they going to say outright that things wont be as promised but they WILL say within a few months after release...after all....games 7, 5, heck, even as recent as 3 years ago released incomplete, whats the problem?
Originally posted by Kilim I have been following this game for sometime and actually am in SoG. There has been many misconceptions and ignorance running around from the community and I would like to brighten and open up peoples eyes a little. Doing this as the Company developing D&L has been consistent of just 2 things and I am just plain sick of it. They are currently consistent ONLY in: Lack of Communication AND Delays ... and now it seems a 3rd thing are Lying! Also saddened by Fans giving the company excuses and not let them speak for themselves ... but of course we know that they are consistent on not saying anything at all. Actually I will post here the LIES they have already stated because I still have in my Guild SIte some of the Posts they had made before. (Fasten your seat belt and open your eyes) The Proof Below has been archived at: http://www.sinvida.net/nuke/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4584 and originally posted at: http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=24699 Open Stress Test The Open Stress Test is still scheduled and more information on this matter will soon be given to you. SoG and the open stress test have nothing in common (conditions of access, content, dates...) FACT: Farlan already stated that SoG IS INDEED a Stress Test! Check the post they have in their SoG Live page when the site goes live again ... Is SoG an open beta? No SoG is a game by itself - a prelude to DnL. You will not be beta testers, and you will not be asked to sign an NDA or do bug reporting. Settlers of Ganareth is our way of saying "Thanks for all your support and enthusiasm". Closed Beta and NDA The closed beta will go on after the release of SoG since we will have a lot of new content and functionalities to test. The NDA will therefore not be lifted for the moment. FACT: Straight from AD! This is NOT a Beta!!! Stop deluding yourself! Stop giving excuses for their own incompetence! Below are just a bunch of other LIES that they have stated in their official site! Will there be both Social XP and Fighting XP systems in SoG? Yes, both will be implemented. There is FXP in-game but I have yet to see SXP! Will there be religions? Yes, Alchemic Dream will explain how it will be managed in the near future. Each religion will have its own hierarchy and players will be able to run every rank within their religion. Not in-game!
Will Alchemic Dream will be in SoG for live events? Live events will be run from the first day of Settlers of Ganareth, and will give you the chance to influence the story. They may even enable you to change the outcome of prophecies! You will also help people to discover new knowledge, and to help them evolve. I have yet to see this. There has been NO Report of ANY Live Events since Server started! Unless some consider the "Chinese Conspiracy" as one ... Technical and Player Support: We will provide the same level of support in SoG as we plan to in Dark and Light. There will be no difference in level of service. This is just plain scary and shows how service will be once D&L is released! Service for SoG at this time is Non-existent and that is somehow what I am starting to expect for D&L. Exploration in SoG: Exploration skills and the SxP system will be in SoG. Another Lie! Both are not enabled at this time in-game! Character creation: When you create your character you will be able to modify your physical appearance. Details such skin color, hair style, facial hair, tattoos and piercings will be available. Another Lie! You can ONLY Change the Characters: Alignment, Sex, and Hair at this time! Thats it!
Now that FACTS has been shown to you ... what do you still think?
<Edit: Added last remarks in hope for the post above to be discredited by Hard FACTS>
So many negative remarks about my post and yet there has not been 1 post to discredit EVERYTHING I have posted. Facts have been put on the table straight from the mouth of the company making D&L.
I really do want people to discredit me and prove me wrong. I really do want this game to be successful due to the less than quality products in the market. I really do want Hard FACTS to discredit what I have posted so I can give this company respect again.
Many of you want me to pack my bags, shut up and leave. This is your chance to do that as I stated before.
Please prove me wrong with "Official Facts" and NOT fanboi speculations and I will stop posting my allegations here!
So many negative remarks about my post and yet there has not been 1 post to discredit EVERYTHING I have posted. Facts have been put on the table straight from the mouth of the company making D&L.
I really do want people to discredit me and prove me wrong. I really do want this game to be successful due to the less than quality products in the market. I really do want Hard FACTS to discredit what I have posted so I can give this company respect again.
Many of you want me to pack my bags, shut up and leave. This is your chance to do that as I stated before.
Please prove me wrong with "Official Facts" and NOT fanboi speculations and I will stop posting my allegations here!
So many negative remarks about my post and yet there has not been 1 post to discredit EVERYTHING I have posted. Facts have been put on the table straight from the mouth of the company making D&L.
I really do want people to discredit me and prove me wrong. I really do want this game to be successful due to the less than quality products in the market. I really do want Hard FACTS to discredit what I have posted so I can give this company respect again.
Many of you want me to pack my bags, shut up and leave. This is your chance to do that as I stated before.
Please prove me wrong with "Official Facts" and NOT fanboi speculations and I will stop posting my allegations here!
Are you serious
Here allow me to point out a few things 1st, just so you know where I'm coming from
I bought 3 pioneer accouts, 1 for a friend , 1 for me and my girlfriend, g/f doesn't like the game got a refund. click and buy charged me 3 times each for 3 games, caused my account to be over drafted and cost me an adition 42 dollars in overdraft fee's
Click and buy is garbage
Farlan/npcube is a 3rd rate mmo company
My guild had around 40 pioneers , currently I'm the last 1 left for my guild to be playing SOG because I can't stand wow
I think the current combat system in SOG is crap and that will be the deciding factor if it doesn't improve drastically in DNL
and I know things that some of you idiots don't including the OP, and when I am able to release that info, believe me shit will hit the fan (I would hope most of you will stop and think for a second and realize what i'm talking about)
Now let me move on to the point
Its SOG, they didn't even have to let people play it, they are a small dev team and trying to make this work
Do I agree with how they charged for SOG when they weren't supposed to charge for it until DNL launched
Do I agree with how they handled the community
The answer is NO on both accounts
But I've been treated far worse by FF online and SWG/SOE staff
I've been through alot of BS with this game, but I'll wait to try it and if it sucks well then it sucks I guess I'll wait for the next mmo to come out. I'm sorry you got sand in your E-gina OP and that SOG didn't live up to your expectations
Its a free game, THEY ARE LOSING! let me say it again so you don't twist it @$@$%@ THEY ARE LOSING! money on the deal, they are paying AD to run events and paying for the servers to be up
THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT! So in thanks for their kindness I'll try it out on the 27th, and I truely do feel bad for you OP
You must have:
A. spent your monthly allowance on SOG pre-order and was upset that you couldn't buy SWG starter pack , or buy 100 gold on WOW
B. work a dead end job and can't really afford to spend 60 bucks for a pioneer key and thats why you're so upset
C. just need to bitch and cry because you said something on the boards @ darkandlight.net and everyone bashed you for being retarded so you came here to make this post so you wouldn't be made fun of
D. both A and C
Grow the %@!^ up man, If you don't like it go play something else, This is an ongoing thing in the mmo world, I've been gaming longer than you've been alive, I've played and beta'ed everything from Asherons Call to World of Warcraft
Not ever has a single 1 of these games been finished at release, not wow, not swg, not ff online, not lineage 2 , not UO , not DAOC , i could keep listing but unless you really are retarded you get the picture
bottom line is
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT STFU AND PLAY SOMETHING ELSE
here i'll do all the hard work for you here is a list of most of the up and coming/ been out mmo's
Star trekkin across the universe with spock and captain kirk (james t that is) command your own ships fully staffed with npc's not clear if there will be pvp or not
post apocalyptic world where humans mutated into 2 races (male and female) ..... j/k no mutated into sapiens and alternatives (or emo) and the third super secret race the hybrids (they run on both gas and electric) more like an fps mmo tho, not sure how that works could be interesting
Soul of the Ultimate Nation plays like an action rpg set in a lush fantasy world where you and your fellow players must band together against the evil immortal emperor....... band together against the evil immortal emperor , yeah i see this going no where
Some other mmo's I don't know anything about maybe check them out
Darkspace - [link] Endless Ages - [link] Horizons Empire of istaria - [link] Jumpgate - [link] neocron - ng.neocron.com/ Project Entropia - [link] Saga of Ryzom - [link] Second life - secondlife.com Shadowbane - [link] Shattered Galaxy - [link] A tale in the desert - [link]
............ Don't be stupid, So what if they delayed, every mmo has, what about auto assualt, what about pirates of the burning sea's what about dark fall how many countless others
What about companies that have lied MOST HAVE!
What about LACK OF COMMUNICATION, no shit slick they are too busy working on the damn game to communication, why don't you jump all over EA, SOE, Blizzard for the lack of communication as well
And I can't wait to be called a fanboi for this, which is totally insane for as much as I've bitched and complained on the dnl boards about the game, but unlike most other idiots like the 1 above, I at least remain objective and call them like I them instead of being retarded like the OP
You want a company / people to bash, SOE , john smedley, and julio torres. Go bash them, They've done far worse than farlan/npcube has done
Hey Ricklowdis, coming onto these forums and venting your spleen at a 4 month old post is, um, a bit silly, isn't it? I do hope it made you feel better, and welcome to these forums.
I have been following this game for sometime and actually am in SoG.
There has been many misconceptions and ignorance running around from the community and I would like to brighten and open up peoples eyes a little.
Doing this as the Company developing D&L has been consistent of just 2 things and I am just plain sick of it.
They are currently consistent ONLY in: Lack of Communication AND Delays ... and now it seems a 3rd thing are Lying!
Also saddened by Fans giving the company excuses and not let them speak for themselves ... but of course we know that they are consistent on not saying anything at all.
Actually I will post here the LIES they have already stated because I still have in my Guild SIte some of the Posts they had made before. (Fasten your seat belt and open your eyes)
Open Stress Test The Open Stress Test is still scheduled and more information on this matter will soon be given to you. SoG and the open stress test have nothing in common (conditions of access, content, dates...)
FACT: Farlan already stated that SoG IS INDEED a Stress Test! Check the post they have in their SoG Live page when the site goes live again ...
Where did Farlan say this, post a link if its true, I never read anything about it being a stress test nor have I ever had to fill out any bug reports I went into IRC and they fixed my "permabugged" character there
Is SoG an open beta? No SoG is a game by itself - a prelude to DnL. You will not be beta testers, and you will not be asked to sign an NDA or do bug reporting. Settlers of Ganareth is our way of saying "Thanks for all your support and enthusiasm".
Closed Beta and NDA The closed beta will go on after the release of SoG since we will have a lot of new content and functionalities to test. The NDA will therefore not be lifted for the moment.
FACT: Straight from AD! This is NOT a Beta!!! Stop deluding yourself! Stop giving excuses for their own incompetence!
No they stated it wasn't beta, and its not, I know this for a fact see above post I made
Below are just a bunch of other LIES that they have stated in their official site!
Will there be both Social XP and Fighting XP systems in SoG? Yes, both will be implemented.
There is FXP in-game but I have yet to see SXP!
Ok so there isn't SXP in the game, Shit happens like I said above, show me 1 mmo name me 1 please since you love to say prove me wrong PROVE ME WRONG ........ NAME 1 MMO THAT WAS COMPLETED AT LAUNCH!
Will there be religions? Yes, Alchemic Dream will explain how it will be managed in the near future. Each religion will have its own hierarchy and players will be able to run every rank within their religion. Not in-game!
IT WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE IN SOG! go to the site and re-read SOG's features
Will Alchemic Dream will be in SoG for live events? Live events will be run from the first day of Settlers of Ganareth, and will give you the chance to influence the story. They may even enable you to change the outcome of prophecies! You will also help people to discover new knowledge, and to help them evolve.
I have yet to see this. There has been NO Report of ANY Live Events since Server started! Unless some consider the "Chinese Conspiracy" as one ...
Wow live events you didn't bother linking anything here so why should I go to the ganereth gazette that is nothing but events, go to the boards and read the event listings
http://www.darkandlight.net/index.php?lang=engo to that link click on the things that state ganereth gazette, 1 on the left side of the page 1 on the right side of the page, btw this was available at the time you made this post, this should be enough to discredit you right here but i will post a link right to the events thread
here is the link to the calander of events http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55192 enjoy it, although I think the events are lame, stupid search , destroy, and escort missions basically if i wanted that i'd go play wow
Technical and Player Support: We will provide the same level of support in SoG as we plan to in Dark and Light. There will be no difference in level of service.
This is just plain scary and shows how service will be once D&L is released! Service for SoG at this time is Non-existent and that is somehow what I am starting to expect for D&L.
I went into the irc chat and got my perma bug fixed and the 1's that couldn't be fixed got recreated by AD, alot better than the canned responses from ff online and swg which had the worst customer service i've ever seen
Exploration in SoG: Exploration skills and the SxP system will be in SoG.
Another Lie! Both are not enabled at this time in-game!
Wow the 1st true thing he's said, correct there is no exploration skills in game unless you count mounts as being exploration skills, they are technically in the exploration tree so I guess that makes them exploration skills but I'll give him 1. SXP it is possible to gain SXP but it doesn't do anything
They should be tarred and feathered for not having this done in time, they are horrible devs and don't deserve to live
Character creation: When you create your character you will be able to modify your physical appearance. Details such skin color, hair style, facial hair, tattoos and piercings will be available.
Another Lie! You can ONLY Change the Characters: Alignment, Sex, and Hair at this time! Thats it!
Rofl what, I can change hair, alignment, sex, race, earrings, face, some tattos on some characters, why not post everything if you are going to post it, not just what makes it sound the worst
Now that FACTS has been shown to you ... what do you still think?
I think you're upset because you got banned from the forums, I also think you are putting all this negative here because you got banned and you are crying about it
You did not provide 1 link to an official statement that any of this was true, and I know you can't name 1 mmo that was finished at release or wasn't pushed back at some point in production
<Edit: Added last remarks in hope for the post above to be discredited by Hard FACTS>
So many negative remarks about my post and yet there has not been 1 post to discredit EVERYTHING I have posted. Facts have been put on the table straight from the mouth of the company making D&L.
I really do want people to discredit me and prove me wrong. I really do want this game to be successful due to the less than quality products in the market. I really do want Hard FACTS to discredit what I have posted so I can give this company respect again.
NOW SIR, WHERE ARE YOU'RE HARD FACTS TO PROVE ANY OF THIS IS TRUE??? I've poured over everything, never have I read anything saying that SOG was a stress test
Bottom line: SOG was a free game, for them delaying the game again, They Didn't hit everything they planned on in SOG so what, I'm still waiting for someone to honestly say they've played an mmo that was completed at launch
Many of you want me to pack my bags, shut up and leave. This is your chance to do that as I stated before.
Please prove me wrong with "Official Facts" and NOT fanboi speculations and I will stop posting my allegations here!
So many negative remarks about my post and yet there has not been 1 post to discredit EVERYTHING I have posted. Facts have been put on the table straight from the mouth of the company making D&L.
I really do want people to discredit me and prove me wrong. I really do want this game to be successful due to the less than quality products in the market. I really do want Hard FACTS to discredit what I have posted so I can give this company respect again.
NOW SIR, WHERE ARE YOU'RE HARD FACTS TO PROVE ANY OF THIS IS TRUE??? I've poured over everything, never have I read anything saying that SOG was a stress test
Bottom line: SOG was a free game, for them delaying the game again, They Didn't hit everything they planned on in SOG so what, I'm still waiting for someone to honestly say they've played an mmo that was completed at launch
Many of you want me to pack my bags, shut up and leave. This is your chance to do that as I stated before.
Please prove me wrong with "Official Facts" and NOT fanboi speculations and I will stop posting my allegations here!
fine i'll discredit you
not because I have any love for farlan/npcube, but just because you're whole post is flawed and the reasons I gave above
read in your own post my responses
You're wrong, you put the least amount of info and put the worst spin on it possible,If you don't like it then don't play it, I'll post more proof if you can post proof where you got all that info at instead of just making it up
Originally posted by indiramourn Hey Ricklowdis, coming onto these forums and venting your spleen at a 4 month old post is, um, a bit silly, isn't it? I do hope it made you feel better, and welcome to these forums.
Hey for some reason the post keeps coming up on the dnl forums, so i figured i'd answer it
so the next time it gets linked from the dnl forums, people can read how stupid it is to post such a thing.and in my original post, I didn't aim it at just him, i said people like the OP, but he was the target
I'm curious as to why there are stratic guys playing SOG and yet stratic guys on here bashing people who told the OP he was wrong, makes me think wow why should I listen to some of these idiots at stratics about games
Also it'll do some of these people good to look back and read about their misconceptions
Oh wells I'll go back to playing a scam of a game, that is vaporware and doesn't exist, then on the 27th I'll tell you if this imaginary game is worth playing
Oh here is an imaginary video of a vaporware game I made, with the graphics turned up and still frapsing at 20 fps, (something you can't do even in wow or swg)
I seem to be having no problems with it, as you can see
Originally posted by ricklowdis ) FACT: Farlan already stated that SoG IS INDEED a Stress Test! Check the post they have in their SoG Live page when the site goes live again ... Where did Farlan say this, post a link if its true, I never read anything about it being a stress test nor have I ever had to fill out any bug reports I went into IRC and they fixed my "permabugged" character there Gee Rick, all ya gotta do is some research, like read the original post SOG page and btw -- this is four months old so dont expect DNL to have it up on their site still as they have a tendency to delete things when ppl call them on it. No they stated it wasn't beta, and its not, I know this for a fact see above post I made And check out the Q&A's loaded with BETA questions that were answered by Farlan. They admit to the interviewers that it is a beta, then its not, then it is, then its not. Again, when the game is released, you will hear from the handful of old beta testers here on this board and welp, guess we can hand you a paper towel to wipe the egg off your face.
There is FXP in-game but I have yet to see SXP! Ok so there isn't SXP in the game, Shit happens like I said above, show me 1 mmo name me 1 please since you love to say prove me wrong PROVE ME WRONG ........ NAME 1 MMO THAT WAS COMPLETED AT LAUNCH! EAsy, i can give ya two of them, RECENT ones at that, not saying they are any good but ALLLLL of the important promised features were there AT RELEASE = D&DO and RFO. So since you were not in either of these betas, you wouldnt know anyhow, but I do. With D&DO, I was in 3 of the beta tests, in RFO two of them and yes, ALLLLLLL of the promised features were there and working LONG BEFORE RELEASE!!!! I can also tell you that I am in two other Betas atm and so far, MONTHS AHEAD OF RELEASE the important features are working already, its mostly tiny little bugs you find in most any game right now that they are working on. So yes Rick, there ARE games in RECENT and CURRENT time that HAVE RELEASED WITH IMPORTANT PROMISED FEATURES. Will there be religions? Yes, Alchemic Dream will explain how it will be managed in the near future. Each religion will have its own hierarchy and players will be able to run every rank within their religion. Not in-game! IT WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE IN SOG! go to the site and re-read SOG's features I suggest you read over Zorbanes post listing the production history. There is a ton of links showing you exactly where this was indeed stated by Farlan that RELIGION WILL BE IN SOG. Do your homework Ricky boy. here is the link http://www.darkandlight.net/article.php3?id_article=1439 they never stated it would be in the game, this is what was stated would be in the game wow what does that tell you
simply tells me yet again, that Farlan will lie through their teeth and the luckless fanbois will deny all proof in front of them. Those happen to be direct quotes from Farlan the OP is listing you idiot.
Will Alchemic Dream will be in SoG for live events? Live events will be run from the first day of Settlers of Ganareth, and will give you the chance to influence the story. They may even enable you to change the outcome of prophecies! You will also help people to discover new knowledge, and to help them evolve.
Will Alchemic Dream will be in SoG for live events? Live events will be run from the first day of Settlers of Ganareth, and will give you the chance to influence the story. They may even enable you to change the outcome of prophecies! You will also help people to discover new knowledge, and to help them evolve.
Will Alchemic Dream will be in SoG for live events? Live events will be run from the first day of Settlers of Ganareth, and will give you the chance to influence the story. They may even enable you to change the outcome of prophecies! You will also help people to discover new knowledge, and to help them evolve.
I have yet to see this. There has been NO Report of ANY Live Events since Server started! Unless some consider the "Chinese Conspiracy" as one ...
Wow live events you didn't bother linking anything here so why should I go to the ganereth gazette that is nothing but events, go to the boards and read the event listings
When this interview was done, there were NO events done nor scheduled at the time of the interview, If you look at the next interviews you will even see where Farlan admits that the events did not start immediately. SO AGAIN, DO YOUR DAMN HOMEWORK FOOL.
Technical and Player Support: We will provide the same level of support in SoG as we plan to in Dark and Light. There will be no difference in level of service.
This is just plain scary and shows how service will be once D&L is released! Service for SoG at this time is Non-existent and that is somehow what I am starting to expect for D&L.
I went into the irc chat and got my perma bug fixed and the 1's that couldn't be fixed got recreated by AD, alot better than the canned responses from ff online and swg which had the worst customer service i've ever seen
So you were one of the "lucky" ones that got a permabug. Hmmm, so did 99% of the players, most were not fixed and some still exist. Weeks and weeks and weeks have gone by with nothing but blame on the puter,,,,,problem they made there? They didnt know it was a microsoft regional manager at the other end of that "crappy" puter checking out, or trying to check out the hype. BWHAHAHAHAHAAA
Exploration in SoG: Exploration skills and the SxP system will be in SoG.
Another Lie! Both are not enabled at this time in-game!
Wow the 1st true thing he's said, correct there is no exploration skills in game unless you count mounts as being exploration skills,
WEll, at least we know you can read now.
Character creation: When you create your character you will be able to modify your physical appearance. Details such skin color, hair style, facial hair, tattoos and piercings will be available.
Another Lie! You can ONLY Change the Characters: Alignment, Sex, and Hair at this time! Thats it!
Rofl what, I can change hair, alignment, sex, race, earrings, face, some tattos on some characters, why not post everything if you are going to post it, not just what makes it sound the worst
At the time of this post, that was not available. And from what I understand, you can change 'a" tattoo on some characters, dont make it sound better than it is, its still very limited in its customization.
Now that FACTS has been shown to you ... what do you still think?
I think you're upset because you got banned from the forums, I also think you are putting all this negative here because you got banned and you are crying about it
These were sent out way far in advance of his banning and you can see why they did ban him. Farlan and their fanbois hate the truth.
You did not provide 1 link to an official statement that any of this was true, and I know you can't name 1 mmo that was finished at release or wasn't pushed back at some point in production
Links were there idiot, Try reading the post.
<Edit: Added last remarks in hope for the post above to be discredited by Hard FACTS>
So many negative remarks about my post and yet there has not been 1 post to discredit EVERYTHING I have posted. Facts have been put on the table straight from the mouth of the company making D&L.
I really do want people to discredit me and prove me wrong. I really do want this game to be successful due to the less than quality products in the market. I really do want Hard FACTS to discredit what I have posted so I can give this company respect again.
, I'm still waiting for someone to honestly say they've played an mmo that was completed at launch
Again, D&DO and RFO. Shitty games admittedly but they had everything they promised at release. And once again, since you were not a part of the beta for either one of those, you wouldnt have a clue either way. Truth is, both those games came out with what was promised in the sales hype and in beta testing AT RELEASE.
Please prove me wrong with "Official Facts" and NOT fanboi speculations and I will stop posting my allegations here!
So many negative remarks about my post and yet there has not been 1 post to discredit EVERYTHING I have posted. Facts have been put on the table straight from the mouth of the company making D&L.
I really do want people to discredit me and prove me wrong. I really do want this game to be successful due to the less than quality products in the market. I really do want Hard FACTS to discredit what I have posted so I can give this company respect again.
, I'm still waiting for someone to honestly say they've played an mmo that was completed at launch
Again, D&DO and RFO. Shitty games admittedly but they had everything they promised at release. And once again, since you were not a part of the beta for either one of those, you wouldnt have a clue either way. Truth is, both those games came out with what was promised in the sales hype and in beta testing AT RELEASE.
Please prove me wrong with "Official Facts" and NOT fanboi speculations and I will stop posting my allegations here!
fine i'll discredit you
not because I have any love for farlan/npcube, but just because you're whole post is flawed and the reasons I gave above
and you Rickyboy are so wrong its almost pathetic.
read in your own post my responses
You're wrong, you put the least amount of info and put the worst spin on it possible,If you don't like it then don't play it, I'll post more proof if you can post proof where you got all that info at instead of just making it up
Rick, his posts are there, the posts are there, no one is gonna do your homework for ya, but there is a thread here, by Zorbane, which lists alll the things that farlan has stated from gosh, 2003, there are a few missing that I will concede however, everything the OP stated was and is true. Do your research first Rick. This is an old and long post, everybody here knows the facts......its ppl like you who refuse to see it or believe it when its in their face that have a problem with it. I mean LOL look at the questioning mmorpg.com themselves got into!!!! READ AND DO YOUR HOMEWORK
Originally posted by ricklowdis Originally posted by indiramourn Hey Ricklowdis, coming onto these forums and venting your spleen at a 4 month old post is, um, a bit silly, isn't it? I do hope it made you feel better, and welcome to these forums.
Hey for some reason the post keeps coming up on the dnl forums, so i figured i'd answer it
and gosh, would hate to be you when the game goes live and allll these beta testers here have their say. What a fool you are.
so the next time it gets linked from the dnl forums, people can read how stupid it is to post such a thing.and in my original post, I didn't aim it at just him, i said people like the OP, but he was the target
oh so theres a difference then? Posting an outrageously ignorant reply to a four month old post of which still holds true --hmmmm, -- they gonna see this one too -- you honestly think ppl are gonna change their minds because some ignorant foul mouthed fool is saying so when the proof is right there in his eye? LOL Believe me Rick, your intentions may have been meant to slam, however, you just ended up further confirming it all within the mmo community.
I'm curious as to why there are stratic guys playing SOG and yet stratic guys on here bashing people who told the OP he was wrong, makes me think wow why should I listen to some of these idiots at stratics about games
cuz maybe even the stratics folks (which btw, pulled outta DNL once before <cough>) know the bs that has been pulled from this company?
Also it'll do some of these people good to look back and read about their misconceptions
nope, in fact, i think there is also another thread on here where you will see there is nothing any of us have to admit to being wrong about.
Oh wells I'll go back to playing a scam of a game, that is vaporware and doesn't exist, then on the 27th I'll tell you if this imaginary game is worth playing
thats fine, whatever floats your boat dude but we will just sit back, with our popcorn and watch the bull hit the fan daily and await, with bated breath, the release day to let it allllll hang out.
Oh here is an imaginary video of a vaporware game I made, with the graphics turned up and still frapsing at 20 fps, (something you can't do even in wow or swg)
hmmmmm, i have no problems with either WOW (hate the game) or SWG (dont play anymore) or DAOC (still subscribe, dont play) or EQ2 or MATRIX or L2 or DDO or COH or UO or FF and acck! tried to keep playing RFO got bored and frustrated but had no problems at all with graphics ----
with DNL I did. the ONLY game I had problems with graphics.
After posting such a long thread I wish you would have done your homework before you started flaming someone and have what you try to do backfire right at ya.
EVERYTHING you tried to flame me with has been discredited by links I already used to support my original posts and by the replies made by other users in this forum.
It is really not that difficcult to follow the links after I have provided support for my argument here.
I have added it there for a reason
Like I said, discredit and prove me wrong instead of posting speculations.
I actually want someone to discredit EVERYTHIGN I have posted here.
And to this day not a single person has been able to, NOT even the DnL Staff in the Official DnL Forums.
In fact, they have provided me with even more proof that what I was stating in my original post to be true!
I made my original post in the most neat and easy to read manner with links supporting EVERYTHING I talked about at the time of its writing.
There are somethings I just cannot post at this time and willing to add once April 27th comes.
I already asked privately for the MMORPG.com, MMOSITE.com and STRATICS.com if I could post what I have acquired.
They all have stated I CANNOT post it until the NDA has been lifted.
This is why I just made this post and similar posts liek this that I can make while still placating the sites I am using.
PS:
I did get banned "temporarily" for a week in the DnL Forums.
But I did get Serpico to remove my ban with the agreement that I will no longer show anyone my acquired info until the NDA has been lifted.
I just stopped checking out DnL for a couple of months as I have better things to do with my life.
Just started checking it again as the release is "supposed" to be April 27th.
But we all can always rely on Farlan to be unrelieable ... so we will see what will really happen.
PPS: Does playing MMOs since AC actually make you more mature and older than me? The way you flame me with your less than credible "Facts" just doesn't add up to your maturity. I just turned 30 last month and I am sure many peopel that know me in real life and online can tell you I am much better than what the fanbois make me turn out to be.
And so you can make more speculation about my character here is an excerpt in my original Initial review of SoG about who I am:
About me:
1st to some that do not know, I have been playing games for sometime. I have beta tested various games and also tried some of their release versions. My love has always been RPG 1st then RTS until I discovered MUDs and then MMORPG. Some of the MMORPG I have played in either beta or release versions are: Dark Age of Camelot, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Anarchy Online, Saga of Ryzom, Mourning (aka: Realms of Krel, Biggest Scam MMO in History!), Irth Online, RYL, City of Heroes, EQ1, EQ2, Guild Wars, Lineage 2, Runescape, World of Warcraft, and an old MUD from AOL called Dragonsomething. So with that said, I am sure it shows that I have seen the ups and downs of the MMORPG industry. This is my 1st Initial Review of D&L: SoG and can possibly change depending on how the Dev team in Farlan works the kinks out of their game. They have 4 months until their announced release date. Let us see if they can deliver their promises...
In conclusion of this.
Please post some hard facts with proof (preferably some links) to discredit what I have posted in my original post.
Speculations just do not make the cut.
And also, please try to be more mature and reduce the flaming.
Doing it teh way you have done just backfires what you are trying to do and make yourself look like an idiot instead of making me look like one
Of course it would be great that DnL actually releases and become a great game. We are all gamers here in the end and all want to play that next great game as the MMORPG franchise is stale at this time. I just do not see that happening anytime soon.
I don't get it, even in SOG when I jack the graphics up to full, with the exceptions of a few things SOG looks better than oblivion, (now I said with the exception like rivers / streams in SOG don't look all that convincing and also the water at the beach sometimes doesn't render right)
Whoever said SoG with graphics up looks better than Oblivion needs get off the LSD. You must have the shittiest computer in the world and have to run Oblivion in 540x400.
And like what was stated earlier, i am sure we will see alot more emotional posts as we get closer to release. It cant be helped. Most of us here on this board have had our fill of the game and its condition as well as the promises broken. Every little thing down the pipe now will be dissected and ripped apart in both sides of the camps - hatebois and fanbois alike. I think we should all keep that in mind when posting and responding. I know I was certainly guilty to a degree but its truly truly upsetting cuz...oh man.... Now, Killim, Zippy, Lil, Tsr, Zorb, Pris, Gnomad,....move your butts over, sit down all the way in your seats, dont hog the Goobers and dangit Tsr! Take some something for the gas problem eh? Aw come on Indira, down in front!!
The weather will no longer affect armor, combat, spells, etc. like they said it would.
Druids will no longer be able to control weather like they said it would.
They claim the reason for this is the expertise needed in the outside development they needed left their company. Many many many moons before they let loose of that bomb. They KNEW they didnt have the experience or the know-how to give the game these features but still kept up the promises.
Now, just before release, they lay the next egg.
Well, if its any compensation, at least now they have delayed yet again, it gives them more time to tell us what else WONT be there--Im suspect tho they would think it quite sensible to shut up about it and let the ppl spend their money first, THEN they will tell you. Or they could go the way of the fanboi and say hey , we told the truth on THAT one, what more you want? IF we told you any more we wont have as promised, we would break the NDA so we cant tell you, hand us your money, shut up, sit at the back of the bus and dont complain. You will find out. But then it wont be our fault, its because the guy who KNEW the technology left so we cant make our own development work cuz we dont know how it works but we developed it.
Originally posted by LilBoPeep Add now the weather effects. The weather will no longer affect armor, combat, spells, etc. like they said it would. Druids will no longer be able to control weather like they said it would. They claim the reason for this is the expertise needed in the outside development they needed left their company. Many many many moons before they let loose of that bomb. They KNEW they didnt have the experience or the know-how to give the game these features but still kept up the promises. Now, just before release, they lay the next egg. Well, if its any compensation, at least now they have delayed yet again, it gives them more time to tell us what else WONT be there--Im suspect tho they would think it quite sensible to shut up about it and let the ppl spend their money first, THEN they will tell you. Or they could go the way of the fanboi and say hey , we told the truth on THAT one, what more you want? IF we told you any more we wont have as promised, we would break the NDA so we cant tell you, hand us your money, shut up, sit at the back of the bus and dont complain. You will find out. But then it wont be our fault, its because the guy who KNEW the technology left so we cant make our own development work cuz we dont know how it works but we developed it.
It is disappointing as I was looking forward to seeing how the weather would affect my armor and if a blizzard would help my combat or impair it. Would have been interesting to watch. oh well. Im just glad I wasnt planning on being a Druid. The ability to control the weather looked awesome but they wont have that now. There is still weather in the game though, it just is ambience now.
Originally posted by Valnyori I was considering purchasing this game due to its impending release date. Can someone who has played the game in the last 60 days please give me an idea of the pros and cons of this game to date? Here's all I have so far: Pros: Built for PvP (Not a PvP engine tacked on to a PvP game) Siege Combat Multi-tiered classing system (Healer goes to Enchanter, for example. Big plus in my book) Mounts (and flying ones) Large game area to explore
Cons: SoG was apparently a dry run for DnL and was not well received. No retail presence
I'd like to get constructive, thoughtful responses. I'm trying to make an informed decision so I avoid another DDO style fiasco, and I'm sure there are other people out there in the same boat. Try to keep it to "They promised X, but it didn't deliver because of Y", or "X is the greatest thing since man invented cheese, because it works exactly as they said it would and it's so cool". Flaming the game isn't a constructive way to keep someone from buying it, or spending their dollars wisely. By the same token, talking it up when it doesn't deserve is equally as bad. Could someone please help me out here?
Be real man. This is like the 3rd thread with almost the exact same wording asking the same dang question from a 1 post poster.
The problem with the question is glaring right off the bat. The "pros" you mention are still on paper.
PvP - combat is funky, clunky and punky. Isnt in there yet for a few reasons 1) not enough players. 2) Combat was not "optimized" and according to Farlan will be in future 'patches'. Nothing much was done to correct much of anything in the combat area.
Siege Combat - see above
Multi-tiered classing - yeh but you can find that in most current mmos that have PvP.However there are only about 2 skills each (max) currently. The rest in furture "patches".
Mounts - yeh but dont get the blue one. (per the article) Lots of other games have mounts too.
Large game to explore - release will not have the 100% access available. Population does not fulfill. Empty.
Cons
Most and I mean MOST are all still on paper.
No population.
Server instability= an ongoing extreme
Requires top end hardware to run.
Required Hardware= Requires TOP END hardware (gfx,ram,etc). Requires much configuration of the users computer/files just to run as opposed to all other mmo's (need to change back many in order to play the other games after trying to play DNL)
SOG=DNL
UI= unfriendly, unworkable, archaic, not customizable
Crafting= still on paper
FXP, SXP. CXP = is dependent upon a number of factors of which you have no control but other players do/may.Your progress/immersion/chance of success depends on others. SXP is still on paper. CXP is dependent on random luck (when it becomes available)
NPC/Interaction = NPCs are still bugged. Non interactive empty buildings and NPCs.
No solo ability = Geared towards groups only and uber l33t groups at that. Some solo mobs around but those areas camped 24/7 so without a group they are meaningless.
Fast leveling - can get to 10 levels within one hour of play. (however, without the population and many other features, there is no point really)
No retail presence= the least of the cons
I have played in the last 60 days. This is not an NDA break as this has already been posted elsewhere. The gfx were a little better but only after much time spent playing with configs. They would suddenly blurp at unexpected times also.
I just do not see this game as ready in the least bit. Another 6 days delay? This game needs at least another year in the beta "stress" testing. I believe if they cannot fix what is wrong now and what is missing now within the first two months of free time given to the Pioneers- many will finally give up.
Dont forget you asked (and someone else asked almost the same question, with as many posts as you, in almost the same wording.) If what you are looking for is much more details, you will have to wait for release as there is an "NDA" -- any further information would be breaking that unless it is posted by Farlan/NP3/AD before that date. Come back in about a week. They will probably break it defending the game anyway.
oh my! I leave for a weekend and all hell breaks loose LOLOLOLOLOL So no weather stuff now? Didnt the E3 article mention something about the weather? Or is it just the mechanics of the weather effects on activity in the game and the Druid spell line that is affected? But those that posted that this was known when _pix_ and a few others left almost two years ago, they are correct. Farlan however did not bother to mention this in the sales pitches and interviews. Only saw fit to mention it just before release? Wtf is up with that??
Be real man. This is like the 3rd thread with almost the exact same wording asking the same dang question from a 1 post poster. The problem with the question is glaring right off the bat. The "pros" you mention are still on paper. PvP - combat is funky, clunky and punky. Isnt in there yet for a few reasons 1) not enough players. 2) Combat was not "optimized" and according to Farlan will be in future 'patches'. Nothing much was done to correct much of anything in the combat area. Siege Combat - see above Multi-tiered classing - yeh but you can find that in most current mmos that have PvP.However there are only about 2 skills each (max) currently. The rest in furture "patches". Mounts - yeh but dont get the blue one. (per the article) Lots of other games have mounts too. Large game to explore - release will not have the 100% access available. Population does not fulfill. Empty. Cons Most and I mean MOST are all still on paper. No population. Server instability= an ongoing extreme Requires top end hardware to run. Required Hardware= Requires TOP END hardware (gfx,ram,etc). Requires much configuration of the users computer/files just to run as opposed to all other mmo's (need to change back many in order to play the other games after trying to play DNL) SOG=DNL UI= unfriendly, unworkable, archaic, not customizable Crafting= still on paper FXP, SXP. CXP = is dependent upon a number of factors of which you have no control but other players do/may.Your progress/immersion/chance of success depends on others. SXP is still on paper. CXP is dependent on random luck (when it becomes available) NPC/Interaction = NPCs are still bugged. Non interactive empty buildings and NPCs. No solo ability = Geared towards groups only and uber l33t groups at that. Some solo mobs around but those areas camped 24/7 so without a group they are meaningless. Fast leveling - can get to 10 levels within one hour of play. (however, without the population and many other features, there is no point really) No retail presence= the least of the cons I have played in the last 60 days. This is not an NDA break as this has already been posted elsewhere. The gfx were a little better but only after much time spent playing with configs. They would suddenly blurp at unexpected times also. I just do not see this game as ready in the least bit. Another 6 days delay? This game needs at least another year in the beta "stress" testing. I believe if they cannot fix what is wrong now and what is missing now within the first two months of free time given to the Pioneers- many will finally give up. Dont forget you asked (and someone else asked almost the same question, with as many posts as you, in almost the same wording.) If what you are looking for is much more details, you will have to wait for release as there is an "NDA" -- any further information would be breaking that unless it is posted by Farlan/NP3/AD before that date. Come back in about a week. They will probably break it defending the game anyway.
good review LilBopeep. Today we will find out more.
LOL sounds like your most current review is a bit off from this review however. I do believe you telling me there was another patch, so i checked the dnl board in your name btw - and read about the changes to the fxp and such. Appears you cant get to level 10 in a day anymore -- it appears you cant get to level 10 at all!! BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAa
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the official release date of April 27th isnt really official...
supposedly now its the two day jump start for pioneers (are there any left?) so the actual release date is April 29th
but they arent bothering to tell ya that
nor are they going to say outright that things wont be as promised but they WILL say within a few months after release...after all....games 7, 5, heck, even as recent as 3 years ago released incomplete, whats the problem?
yeh I have seen that too
looks as tho its the devs trying to decide even how to release lol
If i was them, i would be a bit leary myself lol
Now that FACTS has been shown to you ... what do you still think?
<Edit: Added last remarks in hope for the post above to be discredited by Hard FACTS>
Are you serious
Here allow me to point out a few things 1st, just so you know where I'm coming from
I bought 3 pioneer accouts, 1 for a friend , 1 for me and my girlfriend, g/f doesn't like the game got a refund. click and buy charged me 3 times each for 3 games, caused my account to be over drafted and cost me an adition 42 dollars in overdraft fee's
Click and buy is garbage
Farlan/npcube is a 3rd rate mmo company
My guild had around 40 pioneers , currently I'm the last 1 left for my guild to be playing SOG because I can't stand wow
I think the current combat system in SOG is crap and that will be the deciding factor if it doesn't improve drastically in DNL
and I know things that some of you idiots don't including the OP, and when I am able to release that info, believe me shit will hit the fan (I would hope most of you will stop and think for a second and realize what i'm talking about)
Now let me move on to the point
Its SOG, they didn't even have to let people play it, they are a small dev team and trying to make this work
Do I agree with how they charged for SOG when they weren't supposed to charge for it until DNL launched
Do I agree with how they handled the community
The answer is NO on both accounts
But I've been treated far worse by FF online and SWG/SOE staff
I've been through alot of BS with this game, but I'll wait to try it and if it sucks well then it sucks I guess I'll wait for the next mmo to come out. I'm sorry you got sand in your E-gina OP and that SOG didn't live up to your expectations
Its a free game, THEY ARE LOSING! let me say it again so you don't twist it @$@$%@ THEY ARE LOSING! money on the deal, they are paying AD to run events and paying for the servers to be up
THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT! So in thanks for their kindness I'll try it out on the 27th, and I truely do feel bad for you OP
You must have:
A. spent your monthly allowance on SOG pre-order and was upset that you couldn't buy SWG starter pack , or buy 100 gold on WOW
B. work a dead end job and can't really afford to spend 60 bucks for a pioneer key and thats why you're so upset
C. just need to bitch and cry because you said something on the boards @ darkandlight.net and everyone bashed you for being retarded so you came here to make this post so you wouldn't be made fun of
D. both A and C
Grow the %@!^ up man, If you don't like it go play something else, This is an ongoing thing in the mmo world, I've been gaming longer than you've been alive, I've played and beta'ed everything from Asherons Call to World of Warcraft
Not ever has a single 1 of these games been finished at release, not wow, not swg, not ff online, not lineage 2 , not UO , not DAOC , i could keep listing but unless you really are retarded you get the picture
bottom line is
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT STFU AND PLAY SOMETHING ELSE
here i'll do all the hard work for you here is a list of most of the up and coming/ been out mmo's
Archlord
[link]
south korean made game set to release 03/06 fantasy mmo emphasis on guild vs guild battles
RF Online
[link]
sci-fi action game mixed with magical fantasy
Age of conan
[link]
start off single player then move to a world with other players
Anarchy Online
[link]
Sure its old but may be fun
Gods and Heroes
[link]
squad based and gladitorial based combat vs players and npc's
Star Trek Online
[link]
Star trekkin across the universe with spock and captain kirk (james t that is) command your own ships fully staffed with npc's not clear if there will be pvp or not
APB (ALL POINTS BULLETIN)
[link]
Cops vs Gangs mmo style
HUXLEY
[link]
post apocalyptic world where humans mutated into 2 races (male and female) ..... j/k no mutated into sapiens and alternatives (or emo) and the third super secret race the hybrids (they run on both gas and electric) more like an fps mmo tho, not sure how that works could be interesting
SUN
[link]
Soul of the Ultimate Nation
plays like an action rpg set in a lush fantasy world where you and your fellow players must band together against the evil immortal emperor....... band together against the evil immortal emperor , yeah i see this going no where
The Chronicles of spellborn
[link]
War of good and evil has ended, surviors of the war quest to find secrets
Darkfall
[link]
Fantasy rpg with 100% skill based system
Hero's journey
[link]
Promises action-packed,adventure-style roleplaying, we'll leave this one to trean and gegro
Minions of mirth
[link]
no subscription fee out now single player and mmo all in 1..... i'm confused
Pirates of the Burning Anus... i mean sea
[link]
This actually looks cool, i mean fucking pirates, if this game rocks ricklowdis will be dead and i will assume the new name of CAPTAIN MORGAN
Seed
[link]
sci-fi action rpg with comic book style art (yep i just heard opeth unzip his pants)
Stargate worlds
[link]
Some other mmo's I don't know anything about maybe check them out
Darkspace - [link]
Endless Ages - [link]
Horizons Empire of istaria - [link]
Jumpgate - [link]
neocron - ng.neocron.com/
Project Entropia - [link]
Saga of Ryzom - [link]
Second life - secondlife.com
Shadowbane - [link]
Shattered Galaxy - [link]
A tale in the desert - [link]
............ Don't be stupid, So what if they delayed, every mmo has, what about auto assualt, what about pirates of the burning sea's what about dark fall how many countless others
What about companies that have lied MOST HAVE!
What about LACK OF COMMUNICATION, no shit slick they are too busy working on the damn game to communication, why don't you jump all over EA, SOE, Blizzard for the lack of communication as well
And I can't wait to be called a fanboi for this, which is totally insane for as much as I've bitched and complained on the dnl boards about the game, but unlike most other idiots like the 1 above, I at least remain objective and call them like I them instead of being retarded like the OP
You want a company / people to bash, SOE , john smedley, and julio torres. Go bash them, They've done far worse than farlan/npcube has done
fine i'll discredit you
not because I have any love for farlan/npcube, but just because you're whole post is flawed and the reasons I gave above
read in your own post my responses
You're wrong, you put the least amount of info and put the worst spin on it possible,If you don't like it then don't play it, I'll post more proof if you can post proof where you got all that info at instead of just making it up
Hey for some reason the post keeps coming up on the dnl forums, so i figured i'd answer it
so the next time it gets linked from the dnl forums, people can read how stupid it is to post such a thing.and in my original post, I didn't aim it at just him, i said people like the OP, but he was the target
I'm curious as to why there are stratic guys playing SOG and yet stratic guys on here bashing people who told the OP he was wrong, makes me think wow why should I listen to some of these idiots at stratics about games
Also it'll do some of these people good to look back and read about their misconceptions
Oh wells I'll go back to playing a scam of a game, that is vaporware and doesn't exist, then on the 27th I'll tell you if this imaginary game is worth playing
Oh here is an imaginary video of a vaporware game I made, with the graphics turned up and still frapsing at 20 fps, (something you can't do even in wow or swg)
I seem to be having no problems with it, as you can see
http://files.filefront.com/dnlaxiswmv/;4774361;;/fileinfo.html
Um wow
Welcome to the forums ricklowdis
Now that FACTS has been shown to you ... what do you still think?
I think you're upset because you got banned from the forums, I also think you are putting all this negative here because you got banned and you are crying about it
These were sent out way far in advance of his banning and you can see why they did ban him. Farlan and their fanbois hate the truth.
You did not provide 1 link to an official statement that any of this was true, and I know you can't name 1 mmo that was finished at release or wasn't pushed back at some point in production
Links were there idiot, Try reading the post.
<Edit: Added last remarks in hope for the post above to be discredited by Hard FACTS>
not because I have any love for farlan/npcube, but just because you're whole post is flawed and the reasons I gave above
and you Rickyboy are so wrong its almost pathetic.
read in your own post my responses
You're wrong, you put the least amount of info and put the worst spin on it possible,If you don't like it then don't play it, I'll post more proof if you can post proof where you got all that info at instead of just making it up
Rick, his posts are there, the posts are there, no one is gonna do your homework for ya, but there is a thread here, by Zorbane, which lists alll the things that farlan has stated from gosh, 2003, there are a few missing that I will concede however, everything the OP stated was and is true. Do your research first Rick. This is an old and long post, everybody here knows the facts......its ppl like you who refuse to see it or believe it when its in their face that have a problem with it. I mean LOL look at the questioning mmorpg.com themselves got into!!!! READ AND DO YOUR HOMEWORK
Hey for some reason the post keeps coming up on the dnl forums, so i figured i'd answer it
and gosh, would hate to be you when the game goes live and allll these beta testers here have their say. What a fool you are.
so the next time it gets linked from the dnl forums, people can read how stupid it is to post such a thing.and in my original post, I didn't aim it at just him, i said people like the OP, but he was the target
oh so theres a difference then? Posting an outrageously ignorant reply to a four month old post of which still holds true --hmmmm, -- they gonna see this one too -- you honestly think ppl are gonna change their minds because some ignorant foul mouthed fool is saying so when the proof is right there in his eye? LOL Believe me Rick, your intentions may have been meant to slam, however, you just ended up further confirming it all within the mmo community.
I'm curious as to why there are stratic guys playing SOG and yet stratic guys on here bashing people who told the OP he was wrong, makes me think wow why should I listen to some of these idiots at stratics about games
cuz maybe even the stratics folks (which btw, pulled outta DNL once before <cough>) know the bs that has been pulled from this company?
Also it'll do some of these people good to look back and read about their misconceptions
nope, in fact, i think there is also another thread on here where you will see there is nothing any of us have to admit to being wrong about.
Oh wells I'll go back to playing a scam of a game, that is vaporware and doesn't exist, then on the 27th I'll tell you if this imaginary game is worth playing
thats fine, whatever floats your boat dude but we will just sit back, with our popcorn and watch the bull hit the fan daily and await, with bated breath, the release day to let it allllll hang out.
Oh here is an imaginary video of a vaporware game I made, with the graphics turned up and still frapsing at 20 fps, (something you can't do even in wow or swg)
hmmmmm, i have no problems with either WOW (hate the game) or SWG (dont play anymore) or DAOC (still subscribe, dont play) or EQ2 or MATRIX or L2 or DDO or COH or UO or FF and acck! tried to keep playing RFO got bored and frustrated but had no problems at all with graphics ----
with DNL I did. the ONLY game I had problems with graphics.
After posting such a long thread I wish you would have done your
homework before you started flaming someone and have what you try to do
backfire right at ya.
EVERYTHING you tried to flame me with has been discredited by links I
already used to support my original posts and by the replies made by
other users in this forum.
It is really not that difficcult to follow the links after I have provided support for my argument here.
I have added it there for a reason
Like I said, discredit and prove me wrong instead of posting speculations.
I actually want someone to discredit EVERYTHIGN I have posted here.
And to this day not a single person has been able to, NOT even the DnL Staff in the Official DnL Forums.
In fact, they have provided me with even more proof that what I was stating in my original post to be true!
I made my original post in the most neat and easy to read manner with
links supporting EVERYTHING I talked about at the time of its writing.
There are somethings I just cannot post at this time and willing to add once April 27th comes.
I already asked privately for the MMORPG.com, MMOSITE.com and STRATICS.com if I could post what I have acquired.
They all have stated I CANNOT post it until the NDA has been lifted.
This is why I just made this post and similar posts liek this that I can make while still placating the sites I am using.
PS:
I did get banned "temporarily" for a week in the DnL Forums.
But I did get Serpico to remove my ban with the agreement that I will
no longer show anyone my acquired info until the NDA has been lifted.
I just stopped checking out DnL for a couple of months as I have better things to do with my life.
Just started checking it again as the release is "supposed" to be April 27th.
But we all can always rely on Farlan to be unrelieable ... so we will see what will really happen.
PPS:
Does playing MMOs since AC actually make you more mature and older than me?
The way you flame me with your less than credible "Facts" just doesn't add up to your maturity.
I just turned 30 last month and I am sure many peopel that know me in real life and online can tell you I am much better than what the fanbois make me turn out to be.
You can even read my original review of SoG here: http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/61275
And so you can make more speculation about my character here is an excerpt in my original Initial review of SoG about who I am:
About me:
1st to some that do not know, I have been playing games for sometime. I
have beta tested various games and also tried some of their release
versions. My love has always been RPG 1st then RTS until I discovered
MUDs and then MMORPG. Some of the MMORPG I have played in either beta or release versions are: Dark
Age of Camelot, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Anarchy Online, Saga of
Ryzom, Mourning (aka: Realms of Krel, Biggest Scam MMO in History!),
Irth Online, RYL, City of Heroes, EQ1, EQ2, Guild Wars, Lineage 2,
Runescape, World of Warcraft, and an old MUD from AOL called
Dragonsomething. So with that said, I am sure it shows that I have seen the ups and downs of the MMORPG industry. This
is my 1st Initial Review of D&L: SoG and can possibly change
depending on how the Dev team in Farlan works the kinks out of their
game. They have 4 months until their announced release date. Let us see if they can deliver their promises...
In conclusion of this.
Please post some hard facts with proof (preferably some links) to discredit what I have posted in my original post.
Speculations just do not make the cut.
And also, please try to be more mature and reduce the flaming.
Doing it teh way you have done just backfires what you are trying to do
and make yourself look like an idiot instead of making me look like one
Of course it would be great that DnL actually releases and become a great game.
We are all gamers here in the end and all want to play that next great game as the MMORPG franchise is stale at this time.
I just do not see that happening anytime soon.
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My Sager 5760 Review
Guys just ignore ricklowdis like I do
I mean he says stuff like this
" don't get it, even in SOG when I jack the graphics up to full, with the exceptions of a few things SOG looks better than oblivion"
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/129/924363_20050510_screen003.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/258/924363_20050916_screen001.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/129/924363_20050510_screen002.jpg
Whoever said SoG with graphics up looks better than Oblivion needs get off the LSD. You must have the shittiest computer in the world and have to run Oblivion in 540x400.
No longer visiting MMORPG.com.
So there is no "new " engine as stated in print by Farlan.
there is no real exclusivity to the pioneer offer.
there is no pretty neat heritage item to leave behind -- calling a gravestone a heritage item is completely lame.
there was nothing in SOG that was promised to be in SOG.
there will not be alllll promised features at release for DNL.
omg, can they feel the doors closing yet?
THanks Dekron, we needed that for sure.
And like what was stated earlier, i am sure we will see alot more emotional posts as we get closer to release. It cant be helped. Most of us here on this board have had our fill of the game and its condition as well as the promises broken. Every little thing down the pipe now will be dissected and ripped apart in both sides of the camps - hatebois and fanbois alike. I think we should all keep that in mind when posting and responding. I know I was certainly guilty to a degree but its truly truly upsetting cuz...oh man.... Now, Killim, Zippy, Lil, Tsr, Zorb, Pris, Gnomad,....move your butts over, sit down all the way in your seats, dont hog the Goobers and dangit Tsr! Take some something for the gas problem eh? Aw come on Indira, down in front!!
Add now the weather effects.
The weather will no longer affect armor, combat, spells, etc. like they said it would.
Druids will no longer be able to control weather like they said it would.
They claim the reason for this is the expertise needed in the outside development they needed left their company. Many many many moons before they let loose of that bomb. They KNEW they didnt have the experience or the know-how to give the game these features but still kept up the promises.
Now, just before release, they lay the next egg.
Well, if its any compensation, at least now they have delayed yet again, it gives them more time to tell us what else WONT be there--Im suspect tho they would think it quite sensible to shut up about it and let the ppl spend their money first, THEN they will tell you. Or they could go the way of the fanboi and say hey , we told the truth on THAT one, what more you want? IF we told you any more we wont have as promised, we would break the NDA so we cant tell you, hand us your money, shut up, sit at the back of the bus and dont complain. You will find out. But then it wont be our fault, its because the guy who KNEW the technology left so we cant make our own development work cuz we dont know how it works but we developed it.
I was considering purchasing this game due to its impending release date. Can someone who has played the game in the last 60 days please give me an idea of the pros and cons of this game to date? Here's all I have so far:
Pros:
Built for PvP (Not a PvP engine tacked on to a PvP game)
Siege Combat
Multi-tiered classing system (Healer goes to Enchanter, for example. Big plus in my book)
Mounts (and flying ones)
Large game area to explore
Cons:
SoG was apparently a dry run for DnL and was not well received.
No retail presence
I'd like to get constructive, thoughtful responses. I'm trying to make an informed decision so I avoid another DDO style fiasco, and I'm sure there are other people out there in the same boat. Try to keep it to "They promised X, but it didn't deliver because of Y", or "X is the greatest thing since man invented cheese, because it works exactly as they said it would and it's so cool". Flaming the game isn't a constructive way to keep someone from buying it, or spending their dollars wisely. By the same token, talking it up when it doesn't deserve is equally as bad. Could someone please help me out here?
Be real man. This is like the 3rd thread with almost the exact same wording asking the same dang question from a 1 post poster.
The problem with the question is glaring right off the bat. The "pros" you mention are still on paper.
PvP - combat is funky, clunky and punky. Isnt in there yet for a few reasons 1) not enough players. 2) Combat was not "optimized" and according to Farlan will be in future 'patches'. Nothing much was done to correct much of anything in the combat area.
Siege Combat - see above
Multi-tiered classing - yeh but you can find that in most current mmos that have PvP.However there are only about 2 skills each (max) currently. The rest in furture "patches".
Mounts - yeh but dont get the blue one. (per the article) Lots of other games have mounts too.
Large game to explore - release will not have the 100% access available. Population does not fulfill. Empty.
Cons
Most and I mean MOST are all still on paper.
No population.
Server instability= an ongoing extreme
Requires top end hardware to run.
Required Hardware= Requires TOP END hardware (gfx,ram,etc). Requires much configuration of the users computer/files just to run as opposed to all other mmo's (need to change back many in order to play the other games after trying to play DNL)
SOG=DNL
UI= unfriendly, unworkable, archaic, not customizable
Crafting= still on paper
FXP, SXP. CXP = is dependent upon a number of factors of which you have no control but other players do/may.Your progress/immersion/chance of success depends on others. SXP is still on paper. CXP is dependent on random luck (when it becomes available)
NPC/Interaction = NPCs are still bugged. Non interactive empty buildings and NPCs.
No solo ability = Geared towards groups only and uber l33t groups at that. Some solo mobs around but those areas camped 24/7 so without a group they are meaningless.
Fast leveling - can get to 10 levels within one hour of play. (however, without the population and many other features, there is no point really)
No retail presence= the least of the cons
I have played in the last 60 days. This is not an NDA break as this has already been posted elsewhere. The gfx were a little better but only after much time spent playing with configs. They would suddenly blurp at unexpected times also.
I just do not see this game as ready in the least bit. Another 6 days delay? This game needs at least another year in the beta "stress" testing. I believe if they cannot fix what is wrong now and what is missing now within the first two months of free time given to the Pioneers- many will finally give up.
Dont forget you asked (and someone else asked almost the same question, with as many posts as you, in almost the same wording.) If what you are looking for is much more details, you will have to wait for release as there is an "NDA" -- any further information would be breaking that unless it is posted by Farlan/NP3/AD before that date. Come back in about a week. They will probably break it defending the game anyway.
oh my! I leave for a weekend and all hell breaks loose LOLOLOLOLOL So no weather stuff now? Didnt the E3 article mention something about the weather? Or is it just the mechanics of the weather effects on activity in the game and the Druid spell line that is affected? But those that posted that this was known when _pix_ and a few others left almost two years ago, they are correct. Farlan however did not bother to mention this in the sales pitches and interviews. Only saw fit to mention it just before release? Wtf is up with that??
oh my bad...just the usual. LOL
As we have determined that SOG is indeed DNL (after all, why keep the SOG manual in a sticky in a DNL forum eh?)
we can pretty much see that even now, with all the promises that were broken in SOG, are still broken in DNL.
I do believe you telling me there was another patch, so i checked the dnl board in your name btw - and read about the changes to the fxp and such. Appears you cant get to level 10 in a day anymore -- it appears you cant get to level 10 at all!! BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAa