yet another promise broken. It is truly hard to believe anything that they say about this game any longer.
I also believe the ones wanting to try the game now, even ignoring all the bad posts about it all over the web, including their own site are simply people who have never beta tested before and see it as a chance to be able to. Problem with Beta is it aint fun. Problem with SOG/DnL is its still in alpha/beta. These new people want to play the game, not help test it and report bugs and make realistic suggestions. IF they had released it as a closed Beta 1 , things may have been done a little faster. Less publicity about their lies and the outrageous instability of the game. The serious Beta testers would have probably pulled out also though.
Originally posted by LilBoPeep yet another promise broken. It is truly hard to believe anything that they say about this game any longer. I also believe the ones wanting to try the game now, even ignoring all the bad posts about it all over the web, including their own site are simply people who have never beta tested before and see it as a chance to be able to. Problem with Beta is it aint fun. Problem with SOG/DnL is its still in alpha/beta. These new people want to play the game, not help test it and report bugs and make realistic suggestions. IF they had released it as a closed Beta 1 , things may have been done a little faster. Less publicity about their lies and the outrageous instability of the game. The serious Beta testers would have probably pulled out also though.
This is all very true. Most serious testers, certainly ones that had been with the game for a considerable time, are all long gone I'd imagine. Especially so after being deceived about the nature of SoG and the mythical 'miracle build'. They must be really struggling to retain any experienced testers who know how to test correctly. I'd imagine the vast majority currently playing are simply freeloading, as you say, and there aren't even many of them left from what I've read.
This dearth of players is doubtless behind the decision to let even pioneers who have gained a refund to still log. Either that or incompetence. The fact is there are probably so few folks actually playing, and even less with beta expeience, they *need* to let everyone who will play, play. They are now dangling the carrot of free lifetime accounts in what would appear to be yet another desperate attempt to garner players.
Personally I haven't logged since early January as I have far better things to do and I also received a couple of nice beta invites early in the new year. Everything to do with DnL has been off my drive and archived to disk ages ago. All I have left is mordib curiosity at what is rapidly turning into the biggest farce in MMO history, if it hasn't already claimed that accolade.
“Hustlers of the world, there is one mark you cannot beat: the mark inside.”
―
William S. Burroughs
That's a tad rich, Black. You of all people know just how long DnL has been in dev and what the first release date was. You also know a lot of folks here kept the flag flying for a long, long time. Either you have the patience of a saint, know something that nobody else in the comminty does or you are running on blind faith alone. It's perhaps the first given your apparent Zen philosophy. Flowing with the Tao is fine, but enlightenment takes many lifetimes and personally I haven't got that long to wait on a MMO. Nirvana maybe, but not DnL.
There aren't many of the more considered critics here who simply spat the dummy due to a lack of perseverance. Most genuinely wanted the game to succeed. It's nice to see your edit of this post let your usual good humour shine through though. The first version looked liked you were letting all us bastards grind you down. Somebody has to keep the faith after all.
How much is the new job at Farlan paying btw? Well I hope. Is there a good redundancy package?
“Hustlers of the world, there is one mark you cannot beat: the mark inside.”
―
William S. Burroughs
/Agree. Bad move on DnL Devs part to not do the crafting. You have to wonder if they really did have it in the first place. Nobody has seen it. There is no mention other than it will be in SOG at a later date, and now, none at all. Makes you wonder even more what else is "vaporizing".
<shaking head> I guess now Farland and fanbois are attempting to use the events as "adding content". Im sorry but I gotta absorb that one for a minute. How in the world can they try to pass off unsuccessful events (in that all the other problems are just brought to glaring attention when they do and many crashes) as "content"? Do they even understand the concept?
even the features they stated would be "implemented at a later date" in SOG has now been confirmed by thier latest Q&A that NO MORE FEATURES will be included in SOG.
Originally posted by Kilim I have been following this game for sometime and actually am in SoG. There has been many misconceptions and ignorance running around from the community and I would like to brighten and open up peoples eyes a little. Doing this as the Company developing D&L has been consistent of just 2 things and I am just plain sick of it. They are currently consistent ONLY in: Lack of Communication AND Delays ... and now it seems a 3rd thing are Lying! Also saddened by Fans giving the company excuses and not let them speak for themselves ... but of course we know that they are consistent on not saying anything at all. Actually I will post here the LIES they have already stated because I still have in my Guild SIte some of the Posts they had made before. (Fasten your seat belt and open your eyes) The Proof Below has been archived at: http://www.sinvida.net/nuke/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4584 and originally posted at: http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=24699
Open Stress Test The Open Stress Test is still scheduled and more information on this matter will soon be given to you. SoG and the open stress test have nothing in common (conditions of access, content, dates...) FACT: Farlan already stated that SoG IS INDEED a Stress Test! Check the post they have in their SoG Live page when the site goes live again ... Is SoG an open beta? No SoG is a game by itself - a prelude to DnL. You will not be beta testers, and you will not be asked to sign an NDA or do bug reporting. Settlers of Ganareth is our way of saying "Thanks for all your support and enthusiasm". Closed Beta and NDA The closed beta will go on after the release of SoG since we will have a lot of new content and functionalities to test. The NDA will therefore not be lifted for the moment. FACT: Straight from AD! This is NOT a Beta!!! Stop deluding yourself! Stop giving excuses for their own incompetence! Below are just a bunch of other LIES that they have stated in their official site! Will there be both Social XP and Fighting XP systems in SoG? Yes, both will be implemented. There is FXP in-game but I have yet to see SXP! Will there be religions? Yes, Alchemic Dream will explain how it will be managed in the near future. Each religion will have its own hierarchy and players will be able to run every rank within their religion. Not in-game!
Will Alchemic Dream will be in SoG for live events? Live events will be run from the first day of Settlers of Ganareth, and will give you the chance to influence the story. They may even enable you to change the outcome of prophecies! You will also help people to discover new knowledge, and to help them evolve. I have yet to see this. There has been NO Report of ANY Live Events since Server started! Unless some consider the "Chinese Conspiracy" as one ... Technical and Player Support: We will provide the same level of support in SoG as we plan to in Dark and Light. There will be no difference in level of service. This is just plain scary and shows how service will be once D&L is released! Service for SoG at this time is Non-existent and that is somehow what I am starting to expect for D&L. Exploration in SoG: Exploration skills and the SxP system will be in SoG. Another Lie! Both are not enabled at this time in-game! Character creation: When you create your character you will be able to modify your physical appearance. Details such skin color, hair style, facial hair, tattoos and piercings will be available. Another Lie! You can ONLY Change the Characters: Alignment, Sex, and Hair at this time! Thats it!
Now that FACTS has been shown to you ... what do you still think?
<Edit: Added last remarks in hope for the post above to be discredited by Hard FACTS>
So many negative remarks about my post and yet there has not been 1 post to discredit EVERYTHING I have posted. Facts have been put on the table straight from the mouth of the company making D&L.
I really do want people to discredit me and prove me wrong. I really do want this game to be successful due to the less than quality products in the market. I really do want Hard FACTS to discredit what I have posted so I can give this company respect again.
Many of you want me to pack my bags, shut up and leave. This is your chance to do that as I stated before.
Please prove me wrong with "Official Facts" and NOT fanboi speculations and I will stop posting my allegations here!
Their latest Q&A just gave you final confirmation Kilim. Good on ya!
First SoG was not a beta then it was a beta , now once again it is not but they have used it to fix problems which have never been fixed but it is not a beta...I am so confused
Originally posted by Jackdog First SoG was not a beta then it was a beta , now once again it is not but they have used it to fix problems which have never been fixed but it is not a beta...I am so confused
Not as confused as they are. It appears they have finally lost the plot entirely. Yet another u-turn admission coaxed out of them, yet they still expect confidence in their promises. Astounding.
“Hustlers of the world, there is one mark you cannot beat: the mark inside.”
―
William S. Burroughs
Disappointing for sure. A few of the posters here gave sound advice to Farlan -- tell the truth, close up and fix everything - then come out with the game.
Even the first request - tell the truth -- they cant get right. They admitted to it being a shoddy game but thats all. The rest is snake oil salesman bs. Sad. They are once again shooting themselves. I kinda feel sorry for them now. Kinda..
heh, read my other thread....even the mods are on the bandwagon with both feet.
I guess now, to curb the backlash, they are implying that ppl should never have really believed all those features cuz it was written 2 months before release of SOG - remembering however that 2 months before release was when they started the pre-order package then it was delayed for another 3 weeks and released in December.
And nevermind that they included mentions of the features after release in the Q&A's.
And nevermind that they promised them in the player forums on their site.
And nevermind that they used this as the marketing tool to get you to pay $60 for the pioneer pkg.
And nevermind that they are now still lying through their teeth, believe them anyway.
Originally posted by Cholayna I guess now, to curb the backlash, they are implying that ppl should never have really believed all those features cuz it was written 2 months before release of SOG - remembering however that 2 months before release was when they started the pre-order package then it was delayed for another 3 weeks and released in December.
Dated December 05, 2005 - 8 days before SOG release, Q&A #7:
MMORPG.com:
Why did you take the unusual step of a sick-month pre-launch beta? What do you think it adds?
Farlan:
Despite what some people can say, we really wanted at least to respect our promises to our community. Weve been postponing the release several times, we didnt communicate regularly, we understand very well that even the most faithful could doubt of Dark and Light being a vapor ware or a fake. As we are small team, we are doing small marketing, dedicated first to our community. We decided to create a specific offer and we prepared it with the feedbacks of the Dark and Light community. What it adds: proof to our community that we are working to try to reach their demands all the time.
Now in this part, they dont disagree that is a Beta when the interviewer asks. Then they come back and say it is. Then its not. So their last Q&A , Q&A#10b, although seemingly humble and sincere, is a total crapola pile.
Alright Farlan..introduce a political system, show us what you are promising, AGAIN, yet tell us it wont be implemented in SOG.
Much like the crafting system, the political system comes with a "implemented at a later date" and "subject to change" -- all well and good Farlan. Altho, it was promised in SOG, then taken back, you release it now with features that are for DNL. What good does it do?
COntinual wish lists on the part of the devs are not helping anything at all except adding to the healthy dose of skepticism.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The game managers team is organized in order to be available 24/24Hours a day in five languages so that any player can take part to an event or an animation and enter deeper into Ganareth intrigues. Indeed, a very deep lore is being developed, in collaboration with Gary Gygax. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I have been following your posts here for some time and would just like to say nice job. Just one thing, DnL is working closely with Gary Gygax in the events of SoG? No offence to his fans, but the same Gygax who was at the head of TSR's attempts to blatantly swipe intellectual property of Michael Morcock's Stormbringer series and H.P. Lovecraft's Cathulu mythos, as well as many other questionable encroachments in his years at TSR. Including his own attempt to produce a thinly veiled copy of AD&D after being released from TSR? (for which TSR sued him and won)
Just my point of view but that can't be a good mix for an already troubled game. Then again I could be wrong.
That certainly does give pause for thought. With an already contested ownership of the engine used in DNL - they then have this guy and his rep on their team?
some are saying its only pushed back a week....taking that interpretation, you could easily say its a month as no exact date was given for March either.......
some are even saying the game is so perfect behind the closed doors they dont NEED the beta testing.........
some are even saying that if they dont release in April..its certain death..so they would prefer it to be released in not-so-finished condition than pushed back again.......
problem is, the refund would still be legible unless and until the game is released in full working order....wonder if they thought about that? MC/Visa/CreditCard wont wait for their "permission" to refund the customer.
SXP is incredibly limiting and wholly unbalanced as it has now been stated that it is tied to guild ranking. An added CXP..hmmm...thats new too but not unexpected, if there is to be crafting , I would certainly have hoped it would have come with xp. Tying SXP however is completely different than what was originally implied at their site.
And I would have to agree with the moaners here and at the news forum thread....
that since a thread which contains nothing but screenshots which cannot be determined whether its DNL or SOG by the poster, of which the poster spammed 99.9% of the replies with screenshot, and allowing that the thread is neither an informative or NEED TO KNOW thread and allowing that it was justified by the amount of replies which arent replies, just more spammed screenshots
.....then i would ask that this thread be STICKIED as an INFORMATIVE and NEED TO KNOW thread. The views alone would qualify it using the reasoning behind the others.
well, there is still the site pages that list all the features Farlan said would be at release....as it stands now, they are changing their tune on that too (which will give cause for refunds once again) and stating it will be implemented at a later date and some going as far as allowing for MONTHS after release before expecting what they promised at release.
Thats the one bad thing about lieing and purposely misleading ppl IN PRINT, it can always be referred back to
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yet another promise broken. It is truly hard to believe anything that they say about this game any longer.
I also believe the ones wanting to try the game now, even ignoring all the bad posts about it all over the web, including their own site are simply people who have never beta tested before and see it as a chance to be able to. Problem with Beta is it aint fun. Problem with SOG/DnL is its still in alpha/beta. These new people want to play the game, not help test it and report bugs and make realistic suggestions. IF they had released it as a closed Beta 1 , things may have been done a little faster. Less publicity about their lies and the outrageous instability of the game. The serious Beta testers would have probably pulled out also though.
This is all very true. Most serious testers, certainly ones that had been with the game for a considerable time, are all long gone I'd imagine. Especially so after being deceived about the nature of SoG and the mythical 'miracle build'. They must be really struggling to retain any experienced testers who know how to test correctly. I'd imagine the vast majority currently playing are simply freeloading, as you say, and there aren't even many of them left from what I've read.
This dearth of players is doubtless behind the decision to let even pioneers who have gained a refund to still log. Either that or incompetence. The fact is there are probably so few folks actually playing, and even less with beta expeience, they *need* to let everyone who will play, play. They are now dangling the carrot of free lifetime accounts in what would appear to be yet another desperate attempt to garner players.
Personally I haven't logged since early January as I have far better things to do and I also received a couple of nice beta invites early in the new year. Everything to do with DnL has been off my drive and archived to disk ages ago. All I have left is mordib curiosity at what is rapidly turning into the biggest farce in MMO history, if it hasn't already claimed that accolade.
“Hustlers of the world, there is one mark you cannot beat: the mark inside.”
― William S. Burroughs
Do a lot of you guys and girls have this reaction at times? Just wondering... I kind of picture this happening when I see some peoples posts
I think he is permabugged
http://www.break.com/index/patiencechild.html
That's a tad rich, Black. You of all people know just how long DnL has been in dev and what the first release date was. You also know a lot of folks here kept the flag flying for a long, long time. Either you have the patience of a saint, know something that nobody else in the comminty does or you are running on blind faith alone. It's perhaps the first given your apparent Zen philosophy. Flowing with the Tao is fine, but enlightenment takes many lifetimes and personally I haven't got that long to wait on a MMO. Nirvana maybe, but not DnL.
There aren't many of the more considered critics here who simply spat the dummy due to a lack of perseverance. Most genuinely wanted the game to succeed. It's nice to see your edit of this post let your usual good humour shine through though. The first version looked liked you were letting all us bastards grind you down.
Somebody has to keep the faith after all.
How much is the new job at Farlan paying btw? Well I hope. Is there a good redundancy package?
“Hustlers of the world, there is one mark you cannot beat: the mark inside.”
― William S. Burroughs
cuz they dont have any
or dont know how to implement it
or simply havent a clue where to start and make it work
events = smoke and mirrors
Add more:
even the features they stated would be "implemented at a later date" in SOG has now been confirmed by thier latest Q&A that NO MORE FEATURES will be included in SOG.
Now that FACTS has been shown to you ... what do you still think?
<Edit: Added last remarks in hope for the post above to be discredited by Hard FACTS>
I miss DAoC
Not as confused as they are. It appears they have finally lost the plot entirely. Yet another u-turn admission coaxed out of them, yet they still expect confidence in their promises. Astounding.
“Hustlers of the world, there is one mark you cannot beat: the mark inside.”
― William S. Burroughs
Disappointing for sure. A few of the posters here gave sound advice to Farlan -- tell the truth, close up and fix everything - then come out with the game.
Even the first request - tell the truth -- they cant get right. They admitted to it being a shoddy game but thats all. The rest is snake oil salesman bs. Sad. They are once again shooting themselves. I kinda feel sorry for them now. Kinda..
heh, read my other thread....even the mods are on the bandwagon with both feet.
I guess now, to curb the backlash, they are implying that ppl should never have really believed all those features cuz it was written 2 months before release of SOG - remembering however that 2 months before release was when they started the pre-order package then it was delayed for another 3 weeks and released in December.
And nevermind that they included mentions of the features after release in the Q&A's.
And nevermind that they promised them in the player forums on their site.
And nevermind that they used this as the marketing tool to get you to pay $60 for the pioneer pkg.
And nevermind that they are now still lying through their teeth, believe them anyway.
Dated December 05, 2005 - 8 days before SOG release, Q&A #7:
Despite what some people can say, we really wanted at least to respect our promises to our community. Weve been postponing the release several times, we didnt communicate regularly, we understand very well that even the most faithful could doubt of Dark and Light being a vapor ware or a fake. As we are small team, we are doing small marketing, dedicated first to our community. We decided to create a specific offer and we prepared it with the feedbacks of the Dark and Light community. What it adds: proof to our community that we are working to try to reach their demands all the time.
Now in this part, they dont disagree that is a Beta when the interviewer asks. Then they come back and say it is. Then its not. So their last Q&A , Q&A#10b, although seemingly humble and sincere, is a total crapola pile.
Alright Farlan..introduce a political system, show us what you are promising, AGAIN, yet tell us it wont be implemented in SOG.
Much like the crafting system, the political system comes with a "implemented at a later date" and "subject to change" -- all well and good Farlan. Altho, it was promised in SOG, then taken back, you release it now with features that are for DNL. What good does it do?
COntinual wish lists on the part of the devs are not helping anything at all except adding to the healthy dose of skepticism.
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The game managers team is organized in order to be available 24/24Hours a day in five languages so that any player can take part to an event or an animation and enter deeper into Ganareth intrigues. Indeed, a very deep lore is being developed, in collaboration with Gary Gygax.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I have been following your posts here for some time and would just like to say nice job. Just one thing, DnL is working closely with Gary Gygax in the events of SoG?
No offence to his fans, but the same Gygax who was at the head of TSR's attempts to blatantly swipe intellectual property of Michael Morcock's Stormbringer series and H.P. Lovecraft's Cathulu mythos, as well as many other questionable encroachments in his years at TSR. Including his own attempt to produce a thinly veiled copy of AD&D after being released from TSR? (for which TSR sued him and won)
Just my point of view but that can't be a good mix for an already troubled game. Then again I could be wrong.
That certainly does give pause for thought. With an already contested ownership of the engine used in DNL - they then have this guy and his rep on their team?
Welp, it would explain a whole lot then.
shady is as shady does......
I like chocolate.
Beta was to be opened in March......
now its pushed to April '06, no exact date.......
some are saying its only pushed back a week....taking that interpretation, you could easily say its a month as no exact date was given for March either.......
some are even saying the game is so perfect behind the closed doors they dont NEED the beta testing.........
some are even saying that if they dont release in April..its certain death..so they would prefer it to be released in not-so-finished condition than pushed back again.......
problem is, the refund would still be legible unless and until the game is released in full working order....wonder if they thought about that? MC/Visa/CreditCard wont wait for their "permission" to refund the customer.
welp...23 days to release and no beta.
SXP is incredibly limiting and wholly unbalanced as it has now been stated that it is tied to guild ranking. An added CXP..hmmm...thats new too but not unexpected, if there is to be crafting , I would certainly have hoped it would have come with xp. Tying SXP however is completely different than what was originally implied at their site.
And I would have to agree with the moaners here and at the news forum thread....
that since a thread which contains nothing but screenshots which cannot be determined whether its DNL or SOG by the poster, of which the poster spammed 99.9% of the replies with screenshot, and allowing that the thread is neither an informative or NEED TO KNOW thread and allowing that it was justified by the amount of replies which arent replies, just more spammed screenshots
.....then i would ask that this thread be STICKIED as an INFORMATIVE and NEED TO KNOW thread. The views alone would qualify it using the reasoning behind the others.
well, there is still the site pages that list all the features Farlan said would be at release....as it stands now, they are changing their tune on that too (which will give cause for refunds once again) and stating it will be implemented at a later date and some going as far as allowing for MONTHS after release before expecting what they promised at release.
Thats the one bad thing about lieing and purposely misleading ppl IN PRINT, it can always be referred back to