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Originally posted by Kilim They said I did a NDA break. And I am not even in beta ... Can you break an NDA when you did not sign one?
Can someone please explain how they can do that?
If you are not in beta, then you do not sign a NDA and therefore you cannot be banned for breaking a NDA. In addition, I didn't see a single offense of breaking any NDA. Everything you posted was on the public server. One word for that: Wow!
Originally posted by Phife Originally posted by Kilim They said I did a NDA break.And I am not even in beta ...Can you break an NDA when you did not sign one?Can someone please explain how they can do that?
If you are not in beta, then you do not sign a NDA and therefore you cannot be banned for breaking a NDA. In addition, I didn't see a single offense of breaking any NDA. Everything you posted was on the public server. One word for that: Wow!
Well, I kinda acquired some info from various sources about the situation in Beta and the similarities of it to SoG. I wanted to know if the info I acquired are facts or just rumors sent to me by haters of D&L. So I PMed the D&L Forum Mod Staff with the info I have and asked them if they are in fact true or not. (Yes I know. But instead of having assumptions, I wanted to hear the truth straight from the mouth of the games representatives. I like facts not just random speculations or rumors.) The next Day I got an email from them that I am now Officially banned from the D&L Forums for an "NDA Break".
I am actually currently warned in VN Boards to no longer posts my 'facts' and 'voice' there about D&L or face a suspension of my account at VN Boards. Ironic twist is, I would not have started digging for facts about D&L if not for that same forum Mod tell me that an assumption I posted in VN Boards was in fact true. They Censored my post and said that the post I made was breaking NDA. Funny thing was it was just me posting an assumption without any proof and him telling me that was proof enough that my assumption was a fact! From there, it was coincidences that somehow got me to acquire additional info about the lies and misguidance Farlan has been doing to its fanbase.
With that said. How can they consider me breaking NDA when I am not in the D&L Beta and NEVER signed ANY NDA?
With that said. How can they consider me breaking NDA when I am not in the D&L Beta and NEVER signed ANY NDA?
I hate to defend Farlan. But even if you did not break the NDA by posting beta information you would be helping to break the NDA (of the orginal beta leaker) by posting this information. While you are not bound by the NDA they at least IMO have the right to protect that NDA by punishing those that help leak this information regardless of what that person has signed.
Now that being said from what you indicated in your post you didn't post beta leaks but rather you got banned for sending this information to a mod. That sounds unreasonable and smells of revenge. If I its true most likely they didn't ban you for your pm but just used that as an excuse and banned you for a different post (like your lost of facts post) that they disliked or found threatning.
The biggest problem with Farlan/NPCube/AD is not that they lie to you, they only tell you half truths. If all what you mentionned is in the last day of SoG they didn't lie. In fact you are no better then Farlan, you are using half truths to say they are lying. Half truths are no good way of communicating and certainly not with an overhyped playerbase. Show proof of where they said "will be in at the start of SoG". Every first launch for a company has it's server stability issues/bugs. The only true broken promises they made have to do with release dates. The fact that these guys don't have any real experience in the mmog business and the fact that they underestimate workload is causing the issues we are having with them. They will have a very big problem in April, again IMHO, but that's not a matter to be discussing now unless you can see in the future.
I'm somewhat annoyed because I don't have a high-end gfx card and got too much visual lag to make an opinion for myself of actual in game content. I'm ok with the graphics/flying but that's not what will get me playing. I'll give SoG another try when I get my new-years gift. They did not prepare for average gamers with somewhat atypical or older computers to enter the game. Again this is a lack of experience in the business talking, and again it is causing a lot of problems with gamers because when you enter with minimum/below recommended requirements the game doesn't run smoothly.
The version info on the dnlg.exe file is a good funny, but it doesn't mean a damn thing. IMO the SoG client is the same as the DnL beta client with a few adapted parameters for game-server used. If you get a shot of the server files stating they are beta I'll give you credit. Besides they said SoG is not a beta, they didn't say SoG client is not a beta.
If you send beta information to a mod of the forum to verify they took it as an excuse to ban you for negative posts. To break an NDA there needs to be two people, one giving the information and another listening to it. They could have given you a warning, but again idiotic technicalities...
Just bad communication, poor handling of information, in the end I don't know who to blame for it, but they really should have hired someone to do the PR (not just community handling like you see on certain forums) and let them have a free hand in the information that is shared. They sound like an insurance company that doesn't want to pay out claims. The communication is in the small prints unfortunatly that's not where it should be.
On the other hand the average gamer posting on message boards is a whining crybaby. A free game just opened up. What did you expect ? The same as you get in WoW or EQ ? Honestly if you were expecting that... I don't know what to say but I couldn't discuss things with you. I didn't cancel my current mmorpg subscription, didn't even cross my mind to stop playing my current game before April. Just be happy they actually released "something" which shows their intent to release the full version of the game some day.
The biggest problem with Farlan/NPCube/AD is not that they lie to you, they only tell you half truths. If all what you mentionned is in the last day of SoG they didn't lie. In fact you are no better then Farlan, you are using half truths to say they are lying. Half truths are no good way of communicating and certainly not with an overhyped playerbase. Show proof of where they said "will be in at the start of SoG". Every first launch for a company has it's server stability issues/bugs. The only true broken promises they made have to do with release dates. The fact that these guys don't have any real experience in the mmog business and the fact that they underestimate workload is causing the issues we are having with them. They will have a very big problem in April, again IMHO, but that's not a matter to be discussing now unless you can see in the future. I'm somewhat annoyed because I don't have a high-end gfx card and got too much visual lag to make an opinion for myself of actual in game content. I'm ok with the graphics/flying but that's not what will get me playing. I'll give SoG another try when I get my new-years gift. They did not prepare for average gamers with somewhat atypical or older computers to enter the game. Again this is a lack of experience in the business talking, and again it is causing a lot of problems with gamers because when you enter with minimum/below recommended requirements the game doesn't run smoothly. The version info on the dnlg.exe file is a good funny, but it doesn't mean a damn thing. IMO the SoG client is the same as the DnL beta client with a few adapted parameters for game-server used. If you get a shot of the server files stating they are beta I'll give you credit. Besides they said SoG is not a beta, they didn't say SoG client is not a beta. If you send beta information to a mod of the forum to verify they took it as an excuse to ban you for negative posts. To break an NDA there needs to be two people, one giving the information and another listening to it. They could have given you a warning, but again idiotic technicalities... Just bad communication, poor handling of information, in the end I don't know who to blame for it, but they really should have hired someone to do the PR (not just community handling like you see on certain forums) and let them have a free hand in the information that is shared. They sound like an insurance company that doesn't want to pay out claims. The communication is in the small prints unfortunatly that's not where it should be. On the other hand the average gamer posting on message boards is a whining crybaby. A free game just opened up. What did you expect ? The same as you get in WoW or EQ ? Honestly if you were expecting that... I don't know what to say but I couldn't discuss things with you. I didn't cancel my current mmorpg subscription, didn't even cross my mind to stop playing my current game before April. Just be happy they actually released "something" which shows their intent to release the full version of the game some day.
I guess I would be one of those who get your title of "crybaby". I bought the pioneer account and when many were playing on the 12th and beyond I was unable to because the logon server did not accept my logon name. So after a week AD/Farlan changed my logon name and I actually got to play the game for 2 hrs. I have read many of the threads and posted on a great many, I have also seen how quick AD and/or DnL staff close threads. The whole forum is in chaos and even though you have to hold the player base accountable for what they post it really is on the management team at Farlan. They suck, plain and simple. There is no public relations at this point. In my opinion the reason peeps are staying with this game is for the foremost part that they played it and loved the world, and perhaps the mounts. Also, that they are bored with everything else out there. I think alot hope that by venting their frustration on the forum that Farlan will miraculously see their folly and turn the state of the game around.
I beta'd and played both AC2 and Horizons. Both of those games were far more solid than SoG/DnL. But I still have hope and have no intention of obtaining a refund on my account. However, I DnL does not release in April '06 as stated, and at this point I don't care what excuse they have, I will cancel and get my refund through Click and Buy.
You have a great post and I agree with most of it. But the state of the game is not what was hyped and/or expected by the players, most of them anyway. And the current public relations is a nightmare. So, all in all, in my opinion the game is in disarray and Farlan has its work cut out for them to salvage what is left.
Originally posted by Bulabash Kilim you r w+nker, you have posted this thing on a lot of Forums and it is flawed u moron
If you think it is flawed then please post why. I would like you to discredit me. I have already added that I WANT ANYONE to discredit this post with actualy OFFICIAL FACTS! Please do so and I will stop posting about it.
PS:
At this time my original D&L Forums Account seems to have been banned/blocked from the D&L Forums w/o any statement of reason why. My Original Post and other posts in there is still there also.
If they do not respond to me soon I can post some other things I know if the MMORPG.com staff lets me.
Hello Killm,
I'm Straven from over at VN, and wanted to add a few things they do not want you to know. These are both my rplies to various people.
Sean,
The Beta test was closed when SoG started, and they are the same build... Seeing as there is no Beta, SoG and the Beta were the same at release, there is no NDA.
They have no legal standing to their NDA.
I make pretty good money, but $60 still means something to me. I know a lot of professionals who would consiedr throwing money away a bad decision, even a mark of bad business sense. Sean,
The Beta test was closed when SoG started, and they are the same build... Seeing as there is no Beta, SoG and the Beta were the same at release, there is no NDA.
They have no legal standing to their NDA.
I make pretty good money, but $60 still means something to me. I know a lot of professionals who would consiedr throwing money away a bad decision, even a mark of bad business sense.
This is info received directly from beta testers, I never signed a NDA, and I find it legally negated due to decions made by Farlan.
They said it was not a Beta, but are hosting the Beta on the Beta (and most likely live) servers and calling it SoG. This is speculation, but makes sense.
I guess I would be one of those who get your title of "crybaby". I bought the pioneer account and when many were playing on the 12th and beyond I was unable to because the logon server did not accept my logon name. So after a week AD/Farlan changed my logon name and I actually got to play the game for 2 hrs. I have read many of the threads and posted on a great many, I have also seen how quick AD and/or DnL staff close threads. The whole forum is in chaos and even though you have to hold the player base accountable for what they post it really is on the management team at Farlan. They suck, plain and simple. There is no public relations at this point. In my opinion the reason peeps are staying with this game is for the foremost part that they played it and loved the world, and perhaps the mounts. Also, that they are bored with everything else out there. I think alot hope that by venting their frustration on the forum that Farlan will miraculously see their folly and turn the state of the game around.
I beta'd and played both AC2 and Horizons. Both of those games were far more solid than SoG/DnL. But I still have hope and have no intention of obtaining a refund on my account. However, if DnL does not release in April '06 as stated, and at this point I don't care what excuse they have, I will cancel and get my refund through Click and Buy.
You have a great post and I agree with most of it. But the state of the game is not what was hyped and/or expected by the players, most of them anyway. And the current public relations is a nightmare. So, all in all, in my opinion the game is in disarray and Farlan has its work cut out for them to salvage what is left.
Just my opinion......
The crybaby comment was mostly aimed at the trolls and fanboys, I don't think you fit in that category based on the post I'm replying to. I'm not used to see civilized discussions on forums. If you don't have anything to say that doesn't belong in the topic, I don't think you should be posting, but people tend to abuse internetfreedom. In the last two months or so prior to release almost every topic became a flamewar between fantrolls and hateboys. I felt sorry for Enigma (having to moderate this board).
True, you can blame the managment for having poor vision of the market they've entered. Other reason is the rushed release of SoG, they weren't ready with the content for SoG in early december but they were under too much pressure from the community. The official forum has such horrible layout that I don't even read discussions there, let alone post. I've heard about a lot of threads that were closed and so on, yes. Fact remains that the community handling team created a hype about this game beyond anyones belief. They must have done something right. However they've forgotten to warn people about the state of SoG, most likely because they didn't have that knowledge. I've witnessed that in the IRC channel.
Finaly I find someone who knows what he bought. If DnL is in a poor state or not released in April every Pioneer is in it's full right to charge back through Click and Buy, nothing hard about that. "Failure to deliver what was promissed". Those who are doing so now, didn't know what they were getting in to in the first place.
As I pointed out "overhyped" game. People were expecting a whole lot from this SoG prequel because they didn't get told what was not going to be in at the start of it. We have no idea what other content is in beta and which of the promissed features are not. We have no idea if the content creation/GM tools for AD are working. People talking about the lack of npc's/quests/events should look in that direction. Well even if they had the GM-tools maybe they didn't get to log in like a large number of other people.
I hope Farlan can save this game from the cancel button, but I'ld prefer other people to be responsible for the decisions they'll have to make in order to save DnL. The ideas behind it were great and it would be sad to see another cancelled mmorpg.
Hello Killm, I'm Straven from over at VN, and wanted to add a few things they do not want you to know. These are both my rplies to various people. Sean,
The Beta test was closed when SoG started, and they are the same build... Seeing as there is no Beta, SoG and the Beta were the same at release, there is no NDA.
They have no legal standing to their NDA.
I make pretty good money, but $60 still means something to me. I know a lot of professionals who would consiedr throwing money away a bad decision, even a mark of bad business sense. Sean,
The Beta test was closed when SoG started, and they are the same build... Seeing as there is no Beta, SoG and the Beta were the same at release, there is no NDA.
They have no legal standing to their NDA.
I make pretty good money, but $60 still means something to me. I know a lot of professionals who would consiedr throwing money away a bad decision, even a mark of bad business sense.
This is info received directly from beta testers, I never signed a NDA, and I find it legally negated due to decions made by Farlan. They said it was not a Beta, but are hosting the Beta on the Beta (and most likely live) servers and calling it SoG. This is speculation, but makes sense.
Oddly disturbing if not an outright lie...
Thanks for stopping by and shedding some light on this matter! I've taken the time to look up many of the quotes the OP copied and pasted...they are all true and all from public records. He made no NDA break himself. While it does not amaze me DNL would ban him for shoving a fist full of truth in their face, I am at a loss as to how another forum can do the same.
PS - The confirmation that SOG really is DNL's beta is oddly both surprising and not surprising at the same time, for some weird reason...
I read your new thread on the official forums Killm comparing Mourning to DnL. Nice work. I also see they banned another one of ypur accounts. They really hate it when people speak the truth over there.
Good to see your still fighting. We all lose when devs make poor games like SoG and continually lie and steal from us. Nice to see someone demanding integrity and quality in games. Keep fighting. Even the few fanboys left are beginning to jump ship and see the light. The few hundred or so people left that are planning to continue to try playing SoG are hanging by a thread. Tommorow's failure of the servers to come up should educate even mroe of the fanboys that this game is dead. This trainwreck will only continue to get worse and more amusing.
I so can't wait til the NDA is lifted so I can show you all what I have. I just do not have the approval at this and various other sites until then.
PS: I have also noticed that this exact same post has now been closed and locked by the VN Boards: D&L Forum Mod. You can see it HERE!
Maybe that specific forum mod, named _Silence_, didn't like it when I PM him that it was due to his 1st censorship of an assumption of mine, and remarks afterwards PMed to me about that censored post, that made it possible to acquire many of my facts
Closed Beta and NDA = The closed beta will go on after the release of SoG since we will have a lot of new content and functionalities to test. The NDA will therefore not be lifted for the moment.
There is NO Beta Server open at this time! ALL Beta Testers are given SoG Accounts if they want them! The last Beta Version was 88.08 No matter how you turn it around, SoG is v88.81 now add that up. SoG is the BEST Version they have! There is no super secret version that is better! SoG actually has more features than the Beta Client!
Open Stress Test - The Open Stress Test is still scheduled and more information on this matter will soon be given to you. SoG and the open stress test have nothing in common (conditions of access, content, dates...)
Now read this: http://www.darkandlight.net/article...id_article=1589 It pretty much sums it up that SoG IS a Stress Test. The worst part about that post is that they blame the Clients PC and NOT their Game lol. Do you want me to quote that for you too?
Is SoG an open beta? - No SoG is a game by itself - a prelude to DnL. You will not be beta testers, and you will not be asked to sign an NDA or do bug reporting. Settlers of Ganareth is our way of saying "Thanks for all your support and enthusiasm".
This is just put to shut up those people giving excuses to the Dev for what SoG is suppose to be. Yes, I know this game is 'really' a 'Beta', even the Devs know that! But they lied about it to the fanbase. I have done enough Betas to know what a Beta is, hell calling it a Beta is actually making it look good!
Will Alchemic Dream will be in SoG for live events? - Live events will be run from the first day of Settlers of Ganareth, and will give you the chance to influence the story. They may even enable you to change the outcome of prophecies! You will also help people to discover new knowledge, and to help them evolve.
I even put this one in BOLD print for you so you can clearly see what did NOT happen.
Technical and Player Support: - We will provide the same level of support in SoG as we plan to in Dark and Light. There will be no difference in level of service.
WoW I am going to get the EXACT SAME support in SoG as I will in D&L!!! WOOT! I love it, that means I will get absolutely ZERO Communication, ZERO Support!
So they decided to lock this exact thread in the Official D&L Forums and VN Boards Forums. Hopefully MMORPG.com would not decide the same thing.
MMORPG.com: Can you tell us about your live events being run by Alchemic Dream. How have they gone so far?
The Dark & Light Team:
Events have been organised since the beginning of SoG.
They can happen in various ways: if most of them are organised by AD teams, using prepared scenarios and animated by dedicated game managers who lead exiting and innovative adventures, game managers naturally contributes to any animation or event ingame, according to the current situation.
The game managers team is organised in order to be available 24/24Hours a day in five languages so that any player can take part to an event or an animation and enter deeper into Ganareth intrigues. Indeed, a very deep lore is being developped, in collaboration with Gary Gygax.
Following each player action is key to keep organising animations in line with the current life ingame . For instance, even if players settled in withdrawn areas, they could discover that surrounding pets where not that welcoming and quickly meant their dissatisfaction to the new Settlers ! Strange things are woven in the world and Ganareth inhabitants observe with more or less benevolence the installation of these strange adventurers.
A Gazette will be soon online to report Ganareth events and be sure anybody can know how are evolving Ganareth adventures.
I am sorry but, the ONLY time an event started in SoG was when the Ganareth Gazeth was posted. And that was posted on Januray 27,2006! That is OVER 1 month since SoG launched!
Give me a break.
And let us not forget the latest post that was REMOVED by the D&L FOrum mods in the English Forums: Now that there was an official post about it in the D&L forums, I guess I am allowed to post soem more about this topic. Just more proof on how Farlan is lying and keeping the fanbase in the dark.
Many people have been saying for weeks that the D&L Closed Beta was actually closed due to SOG. Some fanboys keeps defending SoG that there is a Beta running in conjunction with SoG. Many still keeps stating that there is a "Dream and More Stable Version" of D&L.
So here is the post that I just recently found in the Official D&L Forums about the D&L Beta being closed:
Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Paris Posts: 411 The beta test is actually closed, as there are many bugs needing to be solved with SOG.
The beta players have been transfered to SOG, as a compensation.
Serpico DnL Staff
Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Paris Posts: 411 The beta is closed for the moment, not forever
Regarding the beta itself, I can't add anything that has not been officialy stated, and I've not been myself in the beta (I joined the team right after SOG was launched) - the in-game timeline is not the same, and some animals are not the same either, that's all I know.
And it gets better. The French AD rep posted about it in the French forums a week ago here: [QUESTION] Mod
Originally posted by Kilim UPDATE: Latest LIES from MMORPG.com Q&A
MMORPG.com: Can you tell us about your live events being run by Alchemic Dream. How have they gone so far?
The Dark & Light Team: Events have been organised since the beginning of SoG. They can happen in various ways: if most of them are organised by AD teams, using prepared scenarios and animated by dedicated game managers who lead exiting and innovative adventures, game managers naturally contributes to any animation or event ingame, according to the current situation. The game managers team is organised in order to be available 24/24Hours a day in five languages so that any player can take part to an event or an animation and enter deeper into Ganareth intrigues. Indeed, a very deep lore is being developped, in collaboration with Gary Gygax. Following each player action is key to keep organising animations in line with the current life ingame . For instance, even if players settled in withdrawn areas, they could discover that surrounding pets where not that welcoming and quickly meant their dissatisfaction to the new Settlers ! Strange things are woven in the world and Ganareth inhabitants observe with more or less benevolence the installation of these strange adventurers. A Gazette will be soon online to report Ganareth events and be sure anybody can know how are evolving Ganareth adventures.
I am sorry but, the ONLY time an event started in SoG was when the Ganareth Gazeth was posted. And that was posted on Januray 27,2006! That is OVER 1 month since SoG launched!
Give me a break.
And let us not forget the latest post that was REMOVED by the D&L FOrum mods in the English Forums: Now that there was an official post about it in the D&L forums, I guess I am allowed to post soem more about this topic. Just more proof on how Farlan is lying and keeping the fanbase in the dark.
Many people have been saying for weeks that the D&L Closed Beta was actually closed due to SOG. Some fanboys keeps defending SoG that there is a Beta running in conjunction with SoG. Many still keeps stating that there is a "Dream and More Stable Version" of D&L.
So here is the post that I just recently found in the Official D&L Forums about the D&L Beta being closed:
Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Paris Posts: 411 The beta test is actually closed, as there are many bugs needing to be solved with SOG.
The beta players have been transfered to SOG, as a compensation.
Serpico DnL Staff
Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Paris Posts: 411 The beta is closed for the moment, not forever
Regarding the beta itself, I can't add anything that has not been officialy stated, and I've not been myself in the beta (I joined the team right after SOG was launched) - the in-game timeline is not the same, and some animals are not the same either, that's all I know.
And it gets better. The French AD rep posted about it in the French forums a week ago here: [QUESTION] Mod
Originally posted by Acephalia I am not playing SOG atm as there are better alternatives out there atm, but about 3 weeks ago there was a nice event where giant squids crawled up on the shores of the noob island, little remote at the top point. Was quite a sight and battle .
Ill try to post some pics of the event.
Wether the close down of the beta is a good or a bad sign depends. On one side its good as they can concentrate more on SOG on the other hand its bad as it shows they dont have much resources. In the end we will see.
Must not have been many there as you are the only person who remembers an event. A coworker of mine was in SOG 3 weeks ago, he doesnt remember any event nor any notice about it. Mayhaps he couldnt get in I dunno but you would think he would have at least heard about it.
are you still playing SoG guys? its f**king stupid useless game!!! so if you agree with me why dont you stop playing it? And please stop complaining it.
By far my favorite quote from the recent Devchat would be:
"The game will be released in November because our first objective will be fulfilled in November: a first version of Dark and Light that will allow the most faithful members of our community to be part of the legend of Ganareth, and to add their name to the background. We always said that the final goal of DnL was to allow players to put a hand on the game, to have complete freedom, and to be part of the construction of Ganareth. This is what we will offer to you in November 2005.The game will be released in November because our first objective will be fulfilled in November: a first version of Dark and Light that will allow the most faithful members of our community to be part of the legend of Ganareth, and to add their name to the background. We always said that the final goal of DnL was to allow players to put a hand on the game, to have complete freedom, and to be part of the construction of Ganareth. This is what we will offer to you in November 2005."
BWAHHAHAHAHA Its even doubleposted in their statement! But but but ...what about the statement that SOG is a gift to the most faithful members of our community to be part of the legend of Ganereth? Its a standalone game and only a few things that the REAL game will have???
They still havent lived up to what they are trying to make ppl believe. 2 (with one that was rigged) have gone off. Supposedly 1 prior however nobody seems to remember or know anything about it except the dev posters.
Aside from that however what other content have they added? Nothing.
February is a short month with only 2 weeks to go. They have approx 6 weeks to release of DNL. Would LOVE to hear the fanbois/devspretendingtobenormalplayerswhopost back up their statement that the game is on time for release April 1.
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MMORPG.com: Can you tell us about your live events being run by Alchemic Dream. How have they gone so far?
The Dark & Light Team:
Events have been organised since the beginning of SoG.
They can happen in various ways: if most of them are organised by AD teams, using prepared scenarios and animated by dedicated game managers who lead exiting and innovative adventures, game managers naturally contributes to any animation or event ingame, according to the current situation.
The game managers team is organised in order to be available 24/24Hours a day in five languages so that any player can take part to an event or an animation and enter deeper into Ganareth intrigues.
Tjoo, I'll throw my hands up with SoG, the original beta was crap already.. I got in for 20mins maybe in total. Anyways none of our guild is still playing SoG... all are just idling and waiting for age of conan/pirates of the burning sea.
From what I understand from other Beta testers, this IS the original DNL beta. Farlan can claim whatever they want, problem is, disgusted TRUE Beta testers do know the truth and they are talking.
Originally posted by Cholayna From what I understand from other Beta testers, this IS the original DNL beta. Farlan can claim whatever they want, problem is, disgusted TRUE Beta testers do know the truth and they are talking.
Actualy beta was few versions ahead SoG and had more features than SoG, but they removed it. And yes SoG is DnL minus features that need to be added (codec)
There are two dev teams, the one who take care of SoG and the other group is working on missing features.
The best thing Farlan did is postponation of DnL in November, look what happend to IrthOnline.
I still belive that they made huge mistake releasing SoG, couse DnL was so hyped that they could know what will happen if they release uncomplete and so buggy game.
They should just take pre orders and allow "pioneers" to participate in CLOSE beta under NDA. That way almost everyone would still be happy.
Its better to postopne release as much times as you can afford it if the game is not finished.
On the otherhand players do forget shity starts of released games if they get fixed/completed a few months after release.
Today no one talks about Linage 2 at begining ( open beta + release ) its nr.2 game playerwise right after WoW.
And there were also a LOT of broken promises what we will get at release. They promised Chronicle 1 -> pvp arenas, pet mounts, castle siegeges etc... C1 patch came more than 4 months after release and still did not include all promissed features. The sad thing was that Linage 2 was already released for almost a year in Korea and all they have to do was small modifications and translations.
First month or two when Lineage 2 was released there were like 2,3 server restarts per day couse mobs did not respawn, second thing was mission impossible to login couse server had max connection reached etc ...
Iam just mention this to you guys so you will know its worthless to whine all the time, everyone gets it in what state SoG was at release.
The only worst thing I saw is IrthOnline that is officaly released, thank god Falran did not make that mistake.
I just hope they will have enough money to fix and release DnL sometime this year. (Even without 50% of "promissed" features, all players need is stable and optimised client, without annoying bugs and some basics like CRAFTING/ECONOMY and CONTENT )
Originally posted by IKShadow Actualy beta was few versions ahead SoG and had more features than SoG, but they removed it. And yes SoG is DnL minus features that need to be added (codec)
Actually, the "features"you speak of didnt work in beta either.
There are two dev teams, the one who take care of SoG and the other group is working on missing features.
Hmm , According to Farlan themselves, the Beta has been closed. There was an official post on the boards. THere are NO betas going on. AT least according to Farlan. But prolly now, Farlan is coming back and saying yes there was one all along? pfft! As you can see on offical page, they will reopen beta to test those aditional feature. http://www.darkandlight.net/article.php3?id_article=1767 Those "features" and very few of them , WERE in original Beta, they didnt work then either. And as far as the Beta reopening "in a few weeks", thats what they said a few weeks ago.
The best thing Farlan did is postponation of DnL in November, look what happend to IrthOnline. hmmmm, so are you saying releasing SOG with the lies and bs was the second best? Think it will be a good idea for them to postpone again. It would only be...what?....the 5th announced release date postponed?
I still belive that they made huge mistake releasing SoG, couse DnL was so hyped that they could know what will happen if they release uncomplete and so buggy game. Dang ! I actually agree with you! Good show!
They should just take pre orders and allow "pioneers" to participate in CLOSE beta under NDA. That way almost everyone would still be happy. Here we go again with the "paid" Beta. ARe you crazy? SOG/DNL is the ONLY game that takes the money at the time you order. Every other game takes it when shipped. Pre-ordering with DNL is absolutely crazy!
Its better to postopne release as much times as you can afford it if the game is not finished.
On the otherhand players do forget shity starts of released games if they get fixed/completed a few months after release. Hmmm, yeha, on the most part, but for the most part, alot of it (stability, content, skill, etc etc ) were already in place. DNL is way too short of that. Plus I believe the MMORPG community has a little higher standards than saying yeh its got halfway decent scenery so we can let all the rest go, lets go spend our monthly money :P
Today no one talks about Linage 2 at begining ( open beta + release ) its nr.2 game playerwise right after WoW. Yeha, but at least they had alllllll the other important things already in place. DNL is flying on a wing and prayer. Not to mention those companies were 10x bigger and more monetarily flexible than DNL can squeeze out. A few months of tweaking and it was on its way. DNL has had at least 4 years and the last 2 and a half months of an absolute farce. Big differences here. And there were also a LOT of broken promises what we will get at release. They promised Chronicle 1 -> pvp arenas, pet mounts, castle siegeges etc... C1 patch came more than 4 months after release and still did not include all promissed features. The sad thing was that Linage 2 was already released for almost a year in Korea and all they have to do was small modifications and translations.
Again, Chronicles success is minimal at this time. Lineage 2 went on to be pretty popular then fizzled out due to overzealous devs. Neither now are that great nor popular. Unless you are looking for a mediocre, soon to be forgotten and overpassed game, these may be good similarities.
First month or two when Lineage 2 was released there were like 2,3 server restarts per day couse mobs did not respawn, second thing was mission impossible to login couse server had max connection reached etc ... Look at your time frame here.......month or two......DNL has had 4 years dude. Again, hardly similiar. Unless you are accepting that the mmorpg community accept substandard releases with alll the new stuff coming out and the new technology now. It has made giant leaps just in the last year alone and will continue through next year. MMORPG is growing. More and more are online. Players will want quality and high standards is what the mmorpg players expect. Settling for mediocre aint gonna cut it with players nor the devs pocketbooks.
Iam just mention this to you guys so you will know its worthless to whine all the time, everyone gets it in what state SoG was at release. Sooo hmmm, if eveyone gets it, why then does Farlan themselves keep touting how great and smooth and pretty and innovative it is? The only worst thing I saw is IrthOnline that is officaly released, thank god Falran did not make that mistake. No, they just made DIFFERENT ones.
I just hope they will have enough money to fix and release DnL sometime this year. (Even without 50% of "promissed" features, all players need is stable and optimised client, without annoying bugs and some basics like CRAFTING/ECONOMY and CONTENT ) You make it sound like its a walk in the park for crafting/economy and content. Sooo many more are important but a very BIG importance.( Look at the interface alone in DNL. ) Something as "simple" as that would turn off many players. Altho BASIC as you say, alllllll of it is mucho grande in a players perspective. And again, making it sound as tho DNL just has a few simple things to do to make this game right is misleading and furthers the bs surrounding this game and its devs. DNL is a looonggg way from the big boys tent.
Originally posted by Kilim I have been following this game for sometime and actually am in SoG. There has been many misconceptions and ignorance running around from the community and I would like to brighten and open up peoples eyes a little. Doing this as the Company developing D&L has been consistent of just 2 things and I am just plain sick of it. They are currently consistent ONLY in: Lack of Communication AND Delays ... and now it seems a 3rd thing are Lying!
Open Stress Test The Open Stress Test is still scheduled and more information on this matter will soon be given to you. SoG and the open stress test have nothing in common (conditions of access, content, dates...) FACT: Farlan already stated that SoG IS INDEED a Stress Test! Check the post they have in their SoG Live page when the site goes live again ... Is SoG an open beta? No SoG is a game by itself - a prelude to DnL. You will not be beta testers, and you will not be asked to sign an NDA or do bug reporting. Settlers of Ganareth is our way of saying "Thanks for all your support and enthusiasm". BWHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA THats all the fanbois say now...dont complain and whine, its a Beta!!! BWHAHAHAHAHAa Closed Beta and NDA The closed beta will go on after the release of SoG since we will have a lot of new content and functionalities to test. The NDA will therefore not be lifted for the moment. FACT: Straight from AD! This is NOT a Beta!!! Stop deluding yourself! Stop giving excuses for their own incompetence! Below are just a bunch of other LIES that they have stated in their official site! Will there be both Social XP and Fighting XP systems in SoG? Yes, both will be implemented. There is FXP in-game but I have yet to see SXP! Will there be religions? Yes, Alchemic Dream will explain how it will be managed in the near future. Each religion will have its own hierarchy and players will be able to run every rank within their religion. Not in-game!
Will Alchemic Dream will be in SoG for live events? Live events will be run from the first day of Settlers of Ganareth, and will give you the chance to influence the story. They may even enable you to change the outcome of prophecies! You will also help people to discover new knowledge, and to help them evolve. I have yet to see this. There has been NO Report of ANY Live Events since Server started! Unless some consider the "Chinese Conspiracy" as one ... and have had 2 recently, after they published a misleading statement....misleading in that they said it as tho it had been going on since release...which it had not. The most recent one, the 3rd attempt, ppl have to pay for! BWHAHAHAHAHAA
Now that FACTS has been shown to you ... what do you still think?
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So many negative remarks about my post and yet there has not been 1 post to discredit EVERYTHING I have posted. Facts have been put on the table straight from the mouth of the company making D&L.
Got a new one fer ya Killim!!!! Crafting system will NOT be implemented now.
(Like it was ever there to implement in the first place! BWHAHAHAHHAHAHA)
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Can someone please explain how they can do that?
If you are not in beta, then you do not sign a NDA and therefore you cannot be banned for breaking a NDA. In addition, I didn't see a single offense of breaking any NDA. Everything you posted was on the public server. One word for that: Wow!
Well, I kinda acquired some info from various sources about the situation in Beta and the similarities of it to SoG.
I wanted to know if the info I acquired are facts or just rumors sent to me by haters of D&L.
So I PMed the D&L Forum Mod Staff with the info I have and asked them if they are in fact true or not.
(Yes I know. But instead of having assumptions, I wanted to hear the truth straight from the mouth of the games representatives. I like facts not just random speculations or rumors.)
The next Day I got an email from them that I am now Officially banned from the D&L Forums for an "NDA Break".
I am actually currently warned in VN Boards to no longer posts my 'facts' and 'voice' there about D&L or face a suspension of my account at VN Boards.
Ironic twist is, I would not have started digging for facts about D&L if not for that same forum Mod tell me that an assumption I posted in VN Boards was in fact true.
They Censored my post and said that the post I made was breaking NDA.
Funny thing was it was just me posting an assumption without any proof and him telling me that was proof enough that my assumption was a fact!
From there, it was coincidences that somehow got me to acquire additional info about the lies and misguidance Farlan has been doing to its fanbase.
With that said.
How can they consider me breaking NDA when I am not in the D&L Beta and NEVER signed ANY NDA?
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I hate to defend Farlan. But even if you did not break the NDA by posting beta information you would be helping to break the NDA (of the orginal beta leaker) by posting this information. While you are not bound by the NDA they at least IMO have the right to protect that NDA by punishing those that help leak this information regardless of what that person has signed.
Now that being said from what you indicated in your post you didn't post beta leaks but rather you got banned for sending this information to a mod. That sounds unreasonable and smells of revenge. If I its true most likely they didn't ban you for your pm but just used that as an excuse and banned you for a different post (like your lost of facts post) that they disliked or found threatning.
"Well, I kinda acquired some info from various sources about the situation in Beta and the similarities of it to SoG."
someone had to tell you that SoG is DnL?
The biggest problem with Farlan/NPCube/AD is not that they lie to you, they only tell you half truths. If all what you mentionned is in the last day of SoG they didn't lie. In fact you are no better then Farlan, you are using half truths to say they are lying. Half truths are no good way of communicating and certainly not with an overhyped playerbase. Show proof of where they said "will be in at the start of SoG". Every first launch for a company has it's server stability issues/bugs. The only true broken promises they made have to do with release dates. The fact that these guys don't have any real experience in the mmog business and the fact that they underestimate workload is causing the issues we are having with them. They will have a very big problem in April, again IMHO, but that's not a matter to be discussing now unless you can see in the future.
I'm somewhat annoyed because I don't have a high-end gfx card and got too much visual lag to make an opinion for myself of actual in game content. I'm ok with the graphics/flying but that's not what will get me playing. I'll give SoG another try when I get my new-years gift. They did not prepare for average gamers with somewhat atypical or older computers to enter the game. Again this is a lack of experience in the business talking, and again it is causing a lot of problems with gamers because when you enter with minimum/below recommended requirements the game doesn't run smoothly.
The version info on the dnlg.exe file is a good funny, but it doesn't mean a damn thing. IMO the SoG client is the same as the DnL beta client with a few adapted parameters for game-server used. If you get a shot of the server files stating they are beta I'll give you credit. Besides they said SoG is not a beta, they didn't say SoG client is not a beta.
If you send beta information to a mod of the forum to verify they took it as an excuse to ban you for negative posts. To break an NDA there needs to be two people, one giving the information and another listening to it. They could have given you a warning, but again idiotic technicalities...
Just bad communication, poor handling of information, in the end I don't know who to blame for it, but they really should have hired someone to do the PR (not just community handling like you see on certain forums) and let them have a free hand in the information that is shared. They sound like an insurance company that doesn't want to pay out claims. The communication is in the small prints unfortunatly that's not where it should be.
On the other hand the average gamer posting on message boards is a whining crybaby. A free game just opened up. What did you expect ? The same as you get in WoW or EQ ? Honestly if you were expecting that... I don't know what to say but I couldn't discuss things with you. I didn't cancel my current mmorpg subscription, didn't even cross my mind to stop playing my current game before April. Just be happy they actually released "something" which shows their intent to release the full version of the game some day.
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I guess I would be one of those who get your title of "crybaby". I bought the pioneer account and when many were playing on the 12th and beyond I was unable to because the logon server did not accept my logon name. So after a week AD/Farlan changed my logon name and I actually got to play the game for 2 hrs. I have read many of the threads and posted on a great many, I have also seen how quick AD and/or DnL staff close threads. The whole forum is in chaos and even though you have to hold the player base accountable for what they post it really is on the management team at Farlan. They suck, plain and simple. There is no public relations at this point. In my opinion the reason peeps are staying with this game is for the foremost part that they played it and loved the world, and perhaps the mounts. Also, that they are bored with everything else out there. I think alot hope that by venting their frustration on the forum that Farlan will miraculously see their folly and turn the state of the game around.
I beta'd and played both AC2 and Horizons. Both of those games were far more solid than SoG/DnL. But I still have hope and have no intention of obtaining a refund on my account. However, I DnL does not release in April '06 as stated, and at this point I don't care what excuse they have, I will cancel and get my refund through Click and Buy.
You have a great post and I agree with most of it. But the state of the game is not what was hyped and/or expected by the players, most of them anyway. And the current public relations is a nightmare. So, all in all, in my opinion the game is in disarray and Farlan has its work cut out for them to salvage what is left.
Just my opinion......
I would like you to discredit me.
I have already added that I WANT ANYONE to discredit this post with actualy OFFICIAL FACTS!
Please do so and I will stop posting about it.
PS:
At this time my original D&L Forums Account seems to have been banned/blocked from the D&L Forums w/o any statement of reason why.
My Original Post and other posts in there is still there also.
If they do not respond to me soon I can post some other things I know if the MMORPG.com staff lets me.
Hello Killm,
I'm Straven from over at VN, and wanted to add a few things they do not want you to know. These are both my rplies to various people.
Sean,
The Beta test was closed when SoG started, and they are the same build...
Seeing as there is no Beta, SoG and the Beta were the same at release, there is no NDA.
They have no legal standing to their NDA.
I make pretty good money, but $60 still means something to me. I know a lot of professionals who would consiedr throwing money away a bad decision, even a mark of bad business sense. Sean,
The Beta test was closed when SoG started, and they are the same build...
Seeing as there is no Beta, SoG and the Beta were the same at release, there is no NDA.
They have no legal standing to their NDA.
I make pretty good money, but $60 still means something to me. I know a lot of professionals who would consiedr throwing money away a bad decision, even a mark of bad business sense.
This is info received directly from beta testers, I never signed a NDA, and I find it legally negated due to decions made by Farlan.
They said it was not a Beta, but are hosting the Beta on the Beta (and most likely live) servers and calling it SoG.
This is speculation, but makes sense.
Oddly disturbing if not an outright lie...
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Thanks for stopping by and shedding some light on this matter! I've taken the time to look up many of the quotes the OP copied and pasted...they are all true and all from public records. He made no NDA break himself. While it does not amaze me DNL would ban him for shoving a fist full of truth in their face, I am at a loss as to how another forum can do the same.
PS - The confirmation that SOG really is DNL's beta is oddly both surprising and not surprising at the same time, for some weird reason...
I read your new thread on the official forums Killm comparing Mourning to DnL. Nice work. I also see they banned another one of ypur accounts. They really hate it when people speak the truth over there.
Good to see your still fighting. We all lose when devs make poor games like SoG and continually lie and steal from us. Nice to see someone demanding integrity and quality in games. Keep fighting. Even the few fanboys left are beginning to jump ship and see the light. The few hundred or so people left that are planning to continue to try playing SoG are hanging by a thread. Tommorow's failure of the servers to come up should educate even mroe of the fanboys that this game is dead. This trainwreck will only continue to get worse and more amusing.
I so can't wait til the NDA is lifted so I can show you all what I have.
I just do not have the approval at this and various other sites until then.
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I have also noticed that this exact same post has now been closed and locked by the VN Boards: D&L Forum Mod.
You can see it HERE!
Maybe that specific forum mod, named _Silence_, didn't like it when I PM him that it was due to his 1st censorship of an assumption of mine, and remarks afterwards PMed to me about that censored post, that made it possible to acquire many of my facts
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I will just do a short summary here of what I originally posted.
This part was originally posted in the Official D&L Forums in the same thread before they decided to lock this same thread:
http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showpost.php?p=819259&postcount=191
ALL The quotes was originally posted here:
So they decided to lock this exact thread in the Official D&L Forums and VN Boards Forums.http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=24699
Hopefully MMORPG.com would not decide the same thing.
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I am sorry but, the ONLY time an event started in SoG was when the Ganareth Gazeth was posted.
And that was posted on Januray 27,2006!
That is OVER 1 month since SoG launched!
Give me a break.
And let us not forget the latest post that was REMOVED by the D&L FOrum mods in the English Forums:
Now that there was an official post about it in the D&L forums, I guess I am allowed to post soem more about this topic.
Just more proof on how Farlan is lying and keeping the fanbase in the dark.
Many people have been saying for weeks that the D&L Closed Beta was actually closed due to SOG.
Some fanboys keeps defending SoG that there is a Beta running in conjunction with SoG.
Many still keeps stating that there is a "Dream and More Stable Version" of D&L.
So here is the post that I just recently found in the Official D&L Forums about the D&L Beta being closed:
beta suspended?
And it gets better.
The French AD rep posted about it in the French forums a week ago here:
[QUESTION] Mod
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I am sorry but, the ONLY time an event started in SoG was when the Ganareth Gazeth was posted.
And that was posted on Januray 27,2006!
That is OVER 1 month since SoG launched!
Give me a break.
And let us not forget the latest post that was REMOVED by the D&L FOrum mods in the English Forums:
Now that there was an official post about it in the D&L forums, I guess I am allowed to post soem more about this topic.
Just more proof on how Farlan is lying and keeping the fanbase in the dark.
Many people have been saying for weeks that the D&L Closed Beta was actually closed due to SOG.
Some fanboys keeps defending SoG that there is a Beta running in conjunction with SoG.
Many still keeps stating that there is a "Dream and More Stable Version" of D&L.
So here is the post that I just recently found in the Official D&L Forums about the D&L Beta being closed:
beta suspended?
And it gets better.
The French AD rep posted about it in the French forums a week ago here:
[QUESTION] Mod
Ill try to post some pics of the event.
Wether the close down of the beta is a good or a bad sign depends. On one side its good as they can concentrate more on SOG on the other hand its bad as it shows they dont have much resources. In the end we will see.
Must not have been many there as you are the only person who remembers an event. A coworker of mine was in SOG 3 weeks ago, he doesnt remember any event nor any notice about it. Mayhaps he couldnt get in I dunno but you would think he would have at least heard about it.
are you still playing SoG guys? its f**king stupid useless game!!! so if you agree with me why dont you stop playing it? And please stop complaining it.
Many have stopped playing it Onti
As far as complaing about it? Hmmmm maybe we COULD if Farlan and the gang wouldnt keep feeding us!!!
Hmmm, sound familiar?
Originally posted by Shae
By far my favorite quote from the recent Devchat would be:
"The game will be released in November because our first objective will be fulfilled in November: a first version of Dark and Light that will allow the most faithful members of our community to be part of the legend of Ganareth, and to add their name to the background.
We always said that the final goal of DnL was to allow players to put a hand on the game, to have complete freedom, and to be part of the construction of Ganareth. This is what we will offer to you in November 2005.The game will be released in November because our first objective will be fulfilled in November: a first version of Dark and Light that will allow the most faithful members of our community to be part of the legend of Ganareth, and to add their name to the background.
We always said that the final goal of DnL was to allow players to put a hand on the game, to have complete freedom, and to be part of the construction of Ganareth. This is what we will offer to you in November 2005."
BWAHHAHAHAHA Its even doubleposted in their statement! But but but ...what about the statement that SOG is a gift to the most faithful members of our community to be part of the legend of Ganereth? Its a standalone game and only a few things that the REAL game will have???
Sickening aint it?
They still havent lived up to what they are trying to make ppl believe. 2 (with one that was rigged) have gone off. Supposedly 1 prior however nobody seems to remember or know anything about it except the dev posters.
Aside from that however what other content have they added? Nothing.
February is a short month with only 2 weeks to go. They have approx 6 weeks to release of DNL. Would LOVE to hear the fanbois/devspretendingtobenormalplayerswhopost back up their statement that the game is on time for release April 1.
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MMORPG.com: Can you tell us about your live events being run by Alchemic Dream. How have they gone so far?
The Dark & Light Team:
Events have been organised since the beginning of SoG.
They can happen in various ways: if most of them are organised by AD teams, using prepared scenarios and animated by dedicated game managers who lead exiting and innovative adventures, game managers naturally contributes to any animation or event ingame, according to the current situation.
The game managers team is organised in order to be available 24/24Hours a day in five languages so that any player can take part to an event or an animation and enter deeper into Ganareth intrigues.
Actualy beta was few versions ahead SoG and had more features than SoG, but they removed it.
And yes SoG is DnL minus features that need to be added (codec)
There are two dev teams, the one who take care of SoG and the other group is working on missing features.
As you can see on offical page, they will reopen beta to test those aditional feature.
http://www.darkandlight.net/article.php3?id_article=1767
The best thing Farlan did is postponation of DnL in November, look what happend to IrthOnline.
I still belive that they made huge mistake releasing SoG, couse DnL was so hyped that they could know what will happen if they release uncomplete and so buggy game.
They should just take pre orders and allow "pioneers" to participate in CLOSE beta under NDA.
That way almost everyone would still be happy.
Its better to postopne release as much times as you can afford it if the game is not finished.
On the otherhand players do forget shity starts of released games if they get fixed/completed a few months after release.
Today no one talks about Linage 2 at begining ( open beta + release ) its nr.2 game playerwise right after WoW.
And there were also a LOT of broken promises what we will get at release.
They promised Chronicle 1 -> pvp arenas, pet mounts, castle siegeges etc... C1 patch came more than 4 months after release and still did not include all promissed features. The sad thing was that Linage 2 was already released for almost a year in Korea and all they have to do was small modifications and translations.
First month or two when Lineage 2 was released there were like 2,3 server restarts per day couse mobs did not respawn, second thing was mission impossible to login couse server had max connection reached etc ...
Iam just mention this to you guys so you will know its worthless to whine all the time, everyone gets it in what state SoG was at release.
The only worst thing I saw is IrthOnline that is officaly released, thank god Falran did not make that mistake.
I just hope they will have enough money to fix and release DnL sometime this year.
(Even without 50% of "promissed" features, all players need is stable and optimised client, without annoying bugs and some basics like CRAFTING/ECONOMY and CONTENT )
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Now that FACTS has been shown to you ... what do you still think?
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Got a new one fer ya Killim!!!! Crafting system will NOT be implemented now.
(Like it was ever there to implement in the first place! BWHAHAHAHHAHAHA)