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Pre-Alpha: Aug 13, 2023

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  • AdamantineAdamantine Member RarePosts: 5,085
    Thats $750 by the way:



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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,288
    If you give $750 to the game's development why wouldn't you get access of some type?
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  • DattelisDattelis Member EpicPosts: 1,515
    I feel like this was in 'pre-alpha' before covid
  • KumaponKumapon Member EpicPosts: 1,583
    Dattelis said:
    I feel like this was in 'pre-alpha' before covid
    It's been in pre-alpha since 2017. 
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,196
    Isn’t every game always in pre-alpha until it reaches Alpha?  Like, literally right after the first line of code it’s pre-alpha 
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  • AdamantineAdamantine Member RarePosts: 5,085
    edited September 2023
    Sovrath said:
    If you give $750 to the game's development why wouldn't you get access of some type?
    Wait, what ?

    Where did I suggest anything of the sort ?

    I literally just gave you extra information, for context.

    I didnt tell you you should pay that neither did I claim I would have paid that.

  • AdamantineAdamantine Member RarePosts: 5,085
    Isn’t every game always in pre-alpha until it reaches Alpha?  Like, literally right after the first line of code it’s pre-alpha 
    There is no universal definition of such terms.



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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 23,499
    Isn’t every game always in pre-alpha until it reaches Alpha?  Like, literally right after the first line of code it’s pre-alpha 
    There is no universal definition of such terms.
    I remember Chris Roberts using the term "on paper" for the earliest stages of SC development, but that may have been "on parchment" actually. ;)
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,196
    Isn’t every game always in pre-alpha until it reaches Alpha?  Like, literally right after the first line of code it’s pre-alpha 
    There is no universal definition of such terms.



    Actually there literally is.  Pre-Alpha means… before Alpha.  Thus everything before Alpha.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,741
    Isn’t every game always in pre-alpha until it reaches Alpha?  Like, literally right after the first line of code it’s pre-alpha 
    There is no universal definition of such terms.



    Actually there literally is.  Pre-Alpha means… before Alpha.  Thus everything before Alpha.
    I think in the Bible they call that Genesis.

    ;)






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  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 2,892
    Isn’t every game always in pre-alpha until it reaches Alpha?  Like, literally right after the first line of code it’s pre-alpha 
    There is no universal definition of such terms.



    Actually there literally is.  Pre-Alpha means… before Alpha.  Thus everything before Alpha.

    In actual software terms, pre-alpha, alpha, and beta have actual meanings.

    Unit test is what happens before alpha. Make sure people can log in, access their items in the database, the client is working, save game is working, etc. Once these pieces are tested, they are put together into the first .... ALPHA.

    Alpha is not expected to really work, it is the first time all the pieces that passed unit testing have been put together into the whole product. Alpha is usually short, after you fix the basic bugs you progress into ... beta.

    Beta is when the whole thing has been put together, the pieces passed their tests, the first alpha has been run, and you mostly expect the product to work. In the chip industry, beta design software still cannot legally be used in production work. Beta has a real meaning.

    In the game industry, these terms have been hollowed out, and really mean nothing now. My experience is with the chip industry CAD software, where each copy costs $100,000 at least, and alpha, beta, and production have real and legal meanings,.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,196
    olepi said:
    Isn’t every game always in pre-alpha until it reaches Alpha?  Like, literally right after the first line of code it’s pre-alpha 
    There is no universal definition of such terms.



    Actually there literally is.  Pre-Alpha means… before Alpha.  Thus everything before Alpha.

    In actual software terms, pre-alpha, alpha, and beta have actual meanings.

    Unit test is what happens before alpha. Make sure people can log in, access their items in the database, the client is working, save game is working, etc. Once these pieces are tested, they are put together into the first .... ALPHA.

    Alpha is not expected to really work, it is the first time all the pieces that passed unit testing have been put together into the whole product. Alpha is usually short, after you fix the basic bugs you progress into ... beta.

    Beta is when the whole thing has been put together, the pieces passed their tests, the first alpha has been run, and you mostly expect the product to work. In the chip industry, beta design software still cannot legally be used in production work. Beta has a real meaning.

    In the game industry, these terms have been hollowed out, and really mean nothing now. My experience is with the chip industry CAD software, where each copy costs $100,000 at least, and alpha, beta, and production have real and legal meanings,.
    No matter what you want to call it.  PRE means before.  So Pre-Alpha means Before Alpha.

    So, folks can argue about what Alpha means, but I have never heard someone argue that PRE does not mean before...


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  • ValdemarJValdemarJ Member RarePosts: 1,285
    Who cares about dev terms.

    Will it be a true MMORPG? As in not like the fake ones that claim to be MMORPGs, but aren't.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,288
    ValdemarJ said:
    Who cares about dev terms.

    Will it be a true MMORPG? As in not like the fake ones that claim to be MMORPGs, but aren't.
    It's supposed to have more focus on grouping if that's what you mean.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,741
    Sovrath said:
    ValdemarJ said:
    Who cares about dev terms.

    Will it be a true MMORPG? As in not like the fake ones that claim to be MMORPGs, but aren't.
    It's supposed to have more focus on grouping if that's what you mean.
    For better or worse.


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  • KumaponKumapon Member EpicPosts: 1,583
    Just an update


    VR is changing the art direction.  They are changing to a WOW cartoony art style. By doing this, it will probably set them back another decade...lol

    https://www.pantheonmmo.com/newsletter/_2023/august/


    Scot
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 9,830
    WHen I hear the words "pre-alpha" I think of someone sitting at a table brainstorming ideas.....It shouldnt be a term used for a game that people are trying to play...I thought alpha pretty much covered that the game is nowhere near ready?
    Kyleran
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,288
    Kumapon said:
    Just an update


    VR is changing the art direction.  They are changing to a WOW cartoony art style. By doing this, it will probably set them back another decade...lol

    https://www.pantheonmmo.com/newsletter/_2023/august/



    I ... I ... I just can't. :s
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  • ValdemarJValdemarJ Member RarePosts: 1,285
    Sovrath said:
    ValdemarJ said:
    Who cares about dev terms.

    Will it be a true MMORPG? As in not like the fake ones that claim to be MMORPGs, but aren't.
    It's supposed to have more focus on grouping if that's what you mean.

    It's possible I was

    a little and am not prepared to seriously answer the ridiculous question I posed.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,741
    edited September 2023
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    We hope to see you all there.




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  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916
    Sovrath said:
    Kumapon said:
    Just an update


    VR is changing the art direction.  They are changing to a WOW cartoony art style. By doing this, it will probably set them back another decade...lol

    https://www.pantheonmmo.com/newsletter/_2023/august/



    I ... I ... I just can't. :s
    Really looks like some serious progress there...

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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 23,499
    Sovrath said:
    Kumapon said:
    Just an update


    VR is changing the art direction.  They are changing to a WOW cartoony art style. By doing this, it will probably set them back another decade...lol

    https://www.pantheonmmo.com/newsletter/_2023/august/



    I ... I ... I just can't. :s
    This could be a show stopper for me, the graphics were fine before but too cartoony just turns me off. It will be what five to ten years before launch anyway mind you. 
    SovrathKyleran
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,196
    Scot said:
    Sovrath said:
    Kumapon said:
    Just an update


    VR is changing the art direction.  They are changing to a WOW cartoony art style. By doing this, it will probably set them back another decade...lol

    https://www.pantheonmmo.com/newsletter/_2023/august/



    I ... I ... I just can't. :s
    This could be a show stopper for me, the graphics were fine before but too cartoony just turns me off. It will be what five to ten years before launch anyway mind you. 
    The only art type I really cannot get into are pixel like Minecraft and over the top anime style.  I can deal with cartoony or realistic.  I just need the animations to look right.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,288
    Scot said:
    Sovrath said:
    Kumapon said:
    Just an update


    VR is changing the art direction.  They are changing to a WOW cartoony art style. By doing this, it will probably set them back another decade...lol

    https://www.pantheonmmo.com/newsletter/_2023/august/



    I ... I ... I just can't. :s
    This could be a show stopper for me, the graphics were fine before but too cartoony just turns me off. It will be what five to ten years before launch anyway mind you. 
    If it really does lean more towards the whimsical world of Warcraft style I might be out.

    It’s difficult for me to be engaged with games like that.
    Scot
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  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 2,892
    edited September 2023
    olepi said:
    Isn’t every game always in pre-alpha until it reaches Alpha?  Like, literally right after the first line of code it’s pre-alpha 
    There is no universal definition of such terms.



    Actually there literally is.  Pre-Alpha means… before Alpha.  Thus everything before Alpha.

    In actual software terms, pre-alpha, alpha, and beta have actual meanings.

    Unit test is what happens before alpha. Make sure people can log in, access their items in the database, the client is working, save game is working, etc. Once these pieces are tested, they are put together into the first .... ALPHA.

    Alpha is not expected to really work, it is the first time all the pieces that passed unit testing have been put together into the whole product. Alpha is usually short, after you fix the basic bugs you progress into ... beta.

    Beta is when the whole thing has been put together, the pieces passed their tests, the first alpha has been run, and you mostly expect the product to work. In the chip industry, beta design software still cannot legally be used in production work. Beta has a real meaning.

    In the game industry, these terms have been hollowed out, and really mean nothing now. My experience is with the chip industry CAD software, where each copy costs $100,000 at least, and alpha, beta, and production have real and legal meanings,.
    No matter what you want to call it.  PRE means before.  So Pre-Alpha means Before Alpha.

    So, folks can argue about what Alpha means, but I have never heard someone argue that PRE does not mean before...



    Right, as I posted, pre-alpha is before alpha, and what is before alpha? Unit test.

    That's where each part is tested independently. So you test the database and make sure it works with no race conditions and is fast enough. Test the login server, the graphic drivers, etc. Once each part passes, you put it all together for the first time to get ... alpha.

    A game in pre-alpha would have just some of the basic mechanisms in place, and those may or may not work. They are being tested. The rest of the game is still in pieces being tested.

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