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If things don't change...

AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,801
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Then everything will stay the same.

Arguments? 
 B) 

Once upon a time....

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  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,172
    The only constant is change.
  • mekheremekhere Member UncommonPosts: 250
    Amaranthar said:
    Then everything will stay the same.

    Arguments? 
     B) 
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,508
    KnightFalz said:
    The only constant is change.
    Change does not always go in a desirable  direction, at least not for all parties concerned.
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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,888
    edited November 2022
    If change stopped, that would be a major change compared to the normal situation that things change. Therefore we must conclude that if things don't change then they will change.

    Also after careful examination I have come to the conclusion that I have no idea what this thread is about.
     
  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,801
    Vrika said:
    If change stopped, that would be a major change compared to the normal situation that things change. Therefore we must conclude that if things don't change then they will change.

    Also after careful examination I have come to the conclusion that I have no idea what this thread is about.
    Just about change. Will MMORPGs change? Or not? 
    Would it be good or bad or indifferent? 
    Is indifferent really change? 
    Whatever pops in a person's mind. 

    Once upon a time....

  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081
    Change this
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  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,172
    Kyleran said:
    KnightFalz said:
    The only constant is change.
    Change does not always go in a desirable  direction, at least not for all parties concerned.

    True,
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 5,041
    Adapt or die. Goes for everything, everywhere, any time. Its a universal law.

    /Cheers,
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    It is just huge resource waste....'

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  • Ralphie2449Ralphie2449 Member UncommonPosts: 574
    Change is good otherwise everything becomes stale and predictable, classes changing every expansion/season is a great

    The devs often have a direction they wish to go, from my perspective certain players refuse to acknowledge this and instead believe themselves entitled to tell devs what direction the game should go.

    The sense of entitlement usually comes from the more high end crowd that believes they have beaten the game and the game should now follow their desired direction since they unironically see themselves as superior to the average casual player lol

    This level of entitlement is why you see certain very loud minorities moan about the same thing again and again every season since they believe themselves important enough to be listened to.
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 22,986
    edited November 2022
    And I was agonising over having to come up with a well thought out premise and depth for a new thread. :D
    Kyleran
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,172
    Change is good otherwise everything becomes stale and predictable, classes changing every expansion/season is a great

    The devs often have a direction they wish to go, from my perspective certain players refuse to acknowledge this and instead believe themselves entitled to tell devs what direction the game should go.

    The sense of entitlement usually comes from the more high end crowd that believes they have beaten the game and the game should now follow their desired direction since they unironically see themselves as superior to the average casual player lol

    This level of entitlement is why you see certain very loud minorities moan about the same thing again and again every season since they believe themselves important enough to be listened to.

    Moaning about the same thing again and again well describes your incessant bleating over the degree of entitlement you presume in others.
    Kyleran
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081
    edited November 2022
    lahnmir said:
    Adapt or die. Goes for everything, everywhere, any time. Its a universal law.

    /Cheers,
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,508
    edited November 2022
    lahnmir said:
    Adapt or die. Goes for everything, everywhere, any time. Its a universal law.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
     Inless your rich and know the right people you can get anything done.

    In Scranton Pa... If you know the city council and County Commissioner you can even buy happiness 
    You ever been to Scranton?  I have, happiness would come pretty cheap there I'm thinking.

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  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,172
    KnightFalz said:
    The only constant is change.
    If the only constant is change then if things are changing then really nothing has changed. Noodle on that.
  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,801
    Scot said:
    And I was agonising over having to come up with a well thought out premise and depth for a new thread. :D
    I got tired of waiting on you.  >:)
    Scot

    Once upon a time....

  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,172
    Angrakhan said:
    KnightFalz said:
    The only constant is change.
    If the only constant is change then if things are changing then really nothing has changed. Noodle on that.

    Constant change can not at the same time be no change.
  • AdamantineAdamantine Member RarePosts: 5,085
    Uh-hu.

    So how about we change and adapt when its actually necessary to change and adapt.

    And not randomly, quasi on principle ?

    Dont fix what isnt broken in the first place.

    Kyleran
  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,801
    Adamantine said:
    Uh-hu.

    So how about we change and adapt when its actually necessary to change and adapt.

    And not randomly, quasi on principle ?

    Dont fix what isnt broken in the first place.

    How about we have some variety, instead of this constancy of the one system that rules them all and is defended with zeal against any competition or even discussion? 

    What are you afraid of? 
    That gamers might realize that there is more than one way to make a game?
    That "fixed and scriptable" is a sad way to make "games"? 
    That unpredictable is more fun than the predictable? 

    Once upon a time....

  • eoloeeoloe Member RarePosts: 864
    lahnmir said:
    Adapt or die. Goes for everything, everywhere, any time. Its a universal law.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir

    Especially "die".
  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,801
    edited November 2022
    eoloe said:
    lahnmir said:
    Adapt or die. Goes for everything, everywhere, any time. Its a universal law.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir

    Especially "die".
    Did ya read something you don't want to see? 
    The stranglehold on MMORPGs is slipping away, with or without me. I think you know it or you wouldn't feel threatened by someone's opinion. 

    Once upon a time....

  • eoloeeoloe Member RarePosts: 864
    Amaranthar said:
    eoloe said:
    lahnmir said:
    Adapt or die. Goes for everything, everywhere, any time. Its a universal law.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir

    Especially "die".
    Did ya read something you don't want to see? 
    The stranglehold on MMORPGs is slipping away, with or without me. I think you know it or you wouldn't feel threatened by someone's opinion. 

    Threatened? LOL where did you fish this? :o

    No, I was bouncing on the "adapt or die" comment. Living creatures adapt or die. Stars just die. So the rule is just everything dies. Do you feel threatened by the topic of death ;)

    As for the current thread and games trends, I would consider first that genres are particularly resilient.
    Nowadays you still have platforming games or shooter games created despite the fact that their concept is several decades old.

    So yes, shooters evolved (progression, story, hero-based, etc.) but at the end of the day you are still aiming/clicking as fast as you can on your target to kill it.

    I would like to see the MMORPGs escape the boring hamster-wheel model that WOW made popular. But truth is that a lot of people enjoy this design, and I bet that even in 20 years, you will still have WOW-clones sitting just by what will be the new evolutions of MMORPGs (whatever it will be... NFTs in VR?)
  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,801
    eoloe said:
    Amaranthar said:
    eoloe said:
    lahnmir said:
    Adapt or die. Goes for everything, everywhere, any time. Its a universal law.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir

    Especially "die".
    Did ya read something you don't want to see? 
    The stranglehold on MMORPGs is slipping away, with or without me. I think you know it or you wouldn't feel threatened by someone's opinion. 

    Threatened? LOL where did you fish this? :o

    No, I was bouncing on the "adapt or die" comment. Living creatures adapt or die. Stars just die. So the rule is just everything dies. Do you feel threatened by the topic of death ;)

    As for the current thread and games trends, I would consider first that genres are particularly resilient.
    Nowadays you still have platforming games or shooter games created despite the fact that their concept is several decades old.

    So yes, shooters evolved (progression, story, hero-based, etc.) but at the end of the day you are still aiming/clicking as fast as you can on your target to kill it.

    I would like to see the MMORPGs escape the boring hamster-wheel model that WOW made popular. But truth is that a lot of people enjoy this design, and I bet that even in 20 years, you will still have WOW-clones sitting just by what will be the new evolutions of MMORPGs (whatever it will be... NFTs in VR?)
    I got that from the contents of your post and it's timing. 

    No, I do not feel threatened by veiled internet threats (intended or perceived). 

    I agree that the Themepark Clones will always be around, but when people are making games that are played for fun instead of making money the clones will be the new "niche." 
    Kyleran

    Once upon a time....

  • TokkenTokken Member EpicPosts: 3,551
    edited November 2022

    If things don't change... I won't be playing MMORPG's anymore!

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