Blockchain? i think the whole NFT and Crypto thing is in heavy decline at the moment, well NFT's for sure, too dodgy, too insecure and prone to theft if not outright rug pulls by those selling the things. Soon as they start mentioning blockchain or nft etc. in the game description, huge red flags, just avoid as if it was diablo immortal or something
Gaming nfts and blockchain are not declining. Monkey picture trading and speculative crypto investing is in decline.
Two separate businesses. Blockchain gaming is actually pretty popular.
You have to have stock in blockchain gaming the way you come to it's defense in every post where people are saying it isn't good.
I've played blockchain games. I understand them. Most people crapping on those games can't say the same. I can tell you what's good about them, what's bad about them, where they need to improve, where they are getting things wrong.
I don't blindly go into every new idea thinking it's automatically bad or a scam or whatever. I just tell it how it is. If it seems like I'm defending something, it's because it just is how it is.
In this case, blockchain gaming is pretty popular. Why? Mir 4 is still in the top 20 of all steam games being played. Nino Kuni is the 4th most played mobile rpg in the west, and in the top 20 of top grossing rpgs.
Trade prices have decreased across the board, but gaming NFT trade volume has increased. Weekly trade volumes of gaming NFTs have outpaced colelctibles and art NFTs by double in some cases, despite gaming NFTs being much cheaper in general because they are based on utility.
I never said anyone had to like it. I'm just telling you what's happening.
Wow, you just lost your entire argument by holding up Mir 4 as an example of "good" blockchain gaming.
The game was arguably total crap which only gained popularity by converting itself to a bad money making vehicle.
Then you doubled down by listing the 4 the most popular "mobile" game? Do you even understand where you are?
It gets wearisome to hear block chain defenders claim "others" don't know what their talking about, especially when they can't hold up even a single decent example of a "good" game based on blockchain.
I don't have to eat shit to know it tastes bad, same with crypto Blockchain scams.
And yes, I am indeed the judge of what is good or bad, I don't need other peoples opinions to validate mine.
Me riding my high horse.
Cheers
Again, you misunderstand me.
I never said either game was "good".
I said they were popular. There's a difference.
I've played MIR 4. It's horrible. One of the worst MMOs I've ever played.
I also played nino kuni crossworlds. It's not bad at all. You would never know its a blockchain game on mobile. It's just like every other mobile game out there. That means it has gacha, and auto play and crap like that. But it's not any worse than games like lineage mobile or black desert mobile. You can't even exchange the blockchain currency on mobile, you have to access the PC version to exchange tokens.
And nino kuni is extremely crappy in the way you exchange, because you have to spend money by buying black diamonds (which cost 20% of the exchange rate basically) to exchange the currency you earn in game for tokens to exchange to marblex to exchange for currency that you can exchange for real money. It's not a bad game but one of the worst implementations of currency transfer I've seen.
But nowhere did I say that these games were good. I just said they were popular.
There are objectively good blockchain games. I mean nino kuni isn't a bad mobile game. The story is good, the art is good, the blockchain portion is crap, and the monetization is predatory, but that's a mobile game for you. Relative to other mobile games, it's pretty good.
But there are others that I think are good blockchain games too. Skyweaver is cool, but I like card games. Blankos is my favorite use of blockchain as a monetization model because it's not predatory, and it limits your earn potential so there's no botting or terrible consequences.
It is what it is. Nobody has to like it. That doesn't mean MIR 4 isn't in the top 10 of most played steam games, or that nino kuni isn't in the top 10 most played mobile RPGs. Those things are still factual even if you hate blockchain games.
Blockchain? i think the whole NFT and Crypto thing is in heavy decline at the moment, well NFT's for sure, too dodgy, too insecure and prone to theft if not outright rug pulls by those selling the things. Soon as they start mentioning blockchain or nft etc. in the game description, huge red flags, just avoid as if it was diablo immortal or something
Gaming nfts and blockchain are not declining. Monkey picture trading and speculative crypto investing is in decline.
Two separate businesses. Blockchain gaming is actually pretty popular.
You have to have stock in blockchain gaming the way you come to it's defense in every post where people are saying it isn't good.
@k61977, please read @maskedweasel again. He is not defending anything or promoting anything. His post highlights:
1- do not confuse Blockchain gaming with other crypto related business
2- blockchain gaming is booming while the other crypto-shits are declining.
What is the problem with this? None. It is actually very informative. And we need this kind of info in a place where there is so much crypto-hate that can blind us all.
Every single thread that has anything to do with block gaming he chimes in about it and list it as a good thing. He also assumes that people that disagree with him don't understand how it works or are ignorant of it, when most 100% do understand and disagree with it on a fundamental level about it. That is why I chimed in. This isn't the first thread where he tries to state there are good things about it, when in reality blockchain is horrible for gaming across the board.
Blockchain? i think the whole NFT and Crypto thing is in heavy decline at the moment, well NFT's for sure, too dodgy, too insecure and prone to theft if not outright rug pulls by those selling the things. Soon as they start mentioning blockchain or nft etc. in the game description, huge red flags, just avoid as if it was diablo immortal or something
Gaming nfts and blockchain are not declining. Monkey picture trading and speculative crypto investing is in decline.
Two separate businesses. Blockchain gaming is actually pretty popular.
You have to have stock in blockchain gaming the way you come to it's defense in every post where people are saying it isn't good.
@k61977, please read @maskedweasel again. He is not defending anything or promoting anything. His post highlights:
1- do not confuse Blockchain gaming with other crypto related business
2- blockchain gaming is booming while the other crypto-shits are declining.
What is the problem with this? None. It is actually very informative. And we need this kind of info in a place where there is so much crypto-hate that can blind us all.
Every single thread that has anything to do with block gaming he chimes in about it and list it as a good thing. He also assumes that people that disagree with him don't understand how it works or are ignorant of it, when most 100% do understand and disagree with it on a fundamental level about it. That is why I chimed in. This isn't the first thread where he tries to state there are good things about it, when in reality blockchain is horrible for gaming across the board.
What makes it horrible across the board? Since you 100% understand it, I'd love to hear your take on it.
Blockchain? i think the whole NFT and Crypto thing is in heavy decline at the moment, well NFT's for sure, too dodgy, too insecure and prone to theft if not outright rug pulls by those selling the things. Soon as they start mentioning blockchain or nft etc. in the game description, huge red flags, just avoid as if it was diablo immortal or something
Gaming nfts and blockchain are not declining. Monkey picture trading and speculative crypto investing is in decline.
Two separate businesses. Blockchain gaming is actually pretty popular.
You have to have stock in blockchain gaming the way you come to it's defense in every post where people are saying it isn't good.
I've played blockchain games. I understand them. Most people crapping on those games can't say the same. I can tell you what's good about them, what's bad about them, where they need to improve, where they are getting things wrong.
I don't blindly go into every new idea thinking it's automatically bad or a scam or whatever. I just tell it how it is. If it seems like I'm defending something, it's because it just is how it is.
In this case, blockchain gaming is pretty popular. Why? Mir 4 is still in the top 20 of all steam games being played. Nino Kuni is the 4th most played mobile rpg in the west, and in the top 20 of top grossing rpgs.
Trade prices have decreased across the board, but gaming NFT trade volume has increased. Weekly trade volumes of gaming NFTs have outpaced colelctibles and art NFTs by double in some cases, despite gaming NFTs being much cheaper in general because they are based on utility.
I never said anyone had to like it. I'm just telling you what's happening.
Wow, you just lost your entire argument by holding up Mir 4 as an example of "good" blockchain gaming.
The game was arguably total crap which only gained popularity by converting itself to a bad money making vehicle.
Then you doubled down by listing the 4 the most popular "mobile" game? Do you even understand where you are?
It gets wearisome to hear block chain defenders claim "others" don't know what their talking about, especially when they can't hold up even a single decent example of a "good" game based on blockchain.
I don't have to eat shit to know it tastes bad, same with crypto Blockchain scams.
And yes, I am indeed the judge of what is good or bad, I don't need other peoples opinions to validate mine.
Me riding my high horse.
Cheers
Mir4 is a bad game, but still right now there are 40000+ people playing this crap. So may be it is not "good, but it is undoubtedly popular.
Personally, I think the current implementation of NFT which is based on the false promise of "Pay to Earn" is indeed the worst crap ever.
However the tech exists and will not go anywhere.
Let's be honest: the very idea of owning something in a digital world is seducing (even if it's a lie). I would not be surprised, if in its convulated evolutions some dev will find the right balance, the right way to implement the blockchain in a virtual world.
I think that the first step for it to work is to create a digital world that is worth it. Not seen one yet with blockchain or not.
PS: I expected a cat on the horse I am disappointed.
In this case, blockchain gaming is pretty popular. Why? Mir 4 is still in the top 20 of all steam games being played. Nino Kuni is the 4th most played mobile rpg in the west, and in the top 20 of top grossing rpgs.
Trade prices have decreased across the board, but gaming NFT trade volume has increased. Weekly trade volumes of gaming NFTs have outpaced colelctibles and art NFTs by double in some cases, despite gaming NFTs being much cheaper in general because they are based on utility.
Wow, you just lost your entire argument by holding up Mir 4 as an example of "good" blockchain gaming.
The game was arguably total crap which only gained popularity by converting itself to a bad money making vehicle.
This is not a dis, but, for this to be a loss of creditability, there would need to be a far better example for them to use instead of Mir 4.
While, yes, this might be a nature of the beast at the moment, because, lets be honest, all these companies are thinking with their wallet, nothing else.
Also, keep in mind, that a lot of NTF / Blockchain games might be kept alive by casuals that are in fact just looking for a time kill game, and are not worried about ROI, or income, and thus, these games will thrive, even if the market value bottoms out.
That is because, their player base, never had intention to sell, so, if their Felix Ripoff #8745 is worth 50 cents, or 50 dollars, it does not matter to them, when they log in and trade, all that matters, is they spent 5 dollars, and some tradable whateverthefucks for a tail that wags back in rhythm to the sound track their character dances to.
Perhaps a money making scheme, these games might die, but, for me, once companies allow for cross platform ownership, NFT / Blockchain gaming is going to explode, all the people will dust off their WoW Character, or whatever, and look to jump into the Next MMO with a few thousand hour head start, and that.. OMFG, that will change the nature of gaming.
But currently, we are looking at people selling soft porn copies of popular anime waifu's. and as gut wrenching, and tentacular shriveling as this might be, unless you like that stuff, and then it's boner inspiring, in either case, overall something good might still come of it.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Every blockchain game I've ever seen has just been a poorly-made, cobbled together "game" with a cash grab scheme. None of them seem to be legitimate games, rather a veiled gambling device.
I may, or may not, have received the following private message from maskedweasel:
"Crypto-currency and blockchain secured NFTs are the [redacted] future of {redacted]{redacted] gaming and it is the only type of gaming worth your {redacted] time and I'm not a shill just because I happen to run the {redacted] largest producer of Korean pay-2-win {redacted] grinders - I'm getting rich off {redacted] stupid kids with daddy's {redacted]{redacted]{redacted] credit card. lul....plus I drink the blood of innocents to prolong my life... rich and eternal life {redacted]{redacted] is the game, loser."
You couldn't know if the message from me cause I made sure to redact my screen name.
I may, or may not, have received the following private message from maskedweasel:
"Crypto-currency and blockchain secured NFTs are the [redacted] future of {redacted]{redacted] gaming and it is the only type of gaming worth your {redacted] time and I'm not a shill just because I happen to run the {redacted] largest producer of Korean pay-2-win {redacted] grinders - I'm getting rich off {redacted] stupid kids with daddy's {redacted]{redacted]{redacted] credit card. lul....plus I drink the blood of innocents to prolong my life... rich and eternal life {redacted]{redacted] is the game, loser."
You couldn't know if the message from me cause I made sure to redact my screen name.
I mean.... I... never sent such a thing.
All that shit is fake for sure, except for the blood drinking part of course.
I want everyone involved in this project from the person who cleans the restrooms to the guy who delivered a DoorDash stir-fried rice to the office on up through the president of the company to die in a fire.
How about those the keep reporting these games as if they were just normal games like all others?
Blockchain "games" that are asking people to pay money ahead of time before they have anything playable should be assumed to be an asset flip at best if not an outright rug pull until proven otherwise. Once proven otherwise, sure, treat them like any normal game. But a lot of them will never prove otherwise, and free marketing for scams isn't doing anyone any good.
And for those of you that don't remember Dreamworld, here's a 45 minute + history of the scam:
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"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
And for those of you that don't remember Dreamworld, here's a 45 minute + history of the scam:
I find it interesting what some of you consider marketing. It seems that some people believe that stating something exists is the equivalent of marketing.
In that same way, when I point out factual statements, like Mir 4 is one of the top played games on steam (not even touching the fact it has over 5 million downloads on the play store alone) people believe that I'm promoting the game in some way.
But that's not really the case. These days, facts can't just be facts anymore if they don't conform to the right opinion.
Scammy games can't successfully fund on kickstarter
Blockchain games can't be popular
Mobile games can't outperform PC games
These are opinions people hold that are against the reality of the situation mmorpgs are in. If you say not to report on blockchain, kickstarters, mobile games, because the reality that these things exist make you angry, you're left with a lot of old mainstream games or long gone dead titles.
Blockchain games aren't scams. At least, many of them aren't. It doesn't mean they're good games, but lets be honest, I could pull 20 non blockchain MMOs out of a hat on steam right now that are in worse conditions.
And for kickstarters, hell, if we're going to talk about that, chronicles of elyria and greed monger both got articles on this site and made the rounds on a lot of others, and those were some of the scammiest games I've ever seen. They were never marketed here positively though as far as I can tell. You may know different though.
And for those of you that don't remember Dreamworld, here's a 45 minute + history of the scam:
I find it interesting what some of you consider marketing. It seems that some people believe that stating something exists is the equivalent of marketing.
In that same way, when I point out factual statements, like Mir 4 is one of the top played games on steam (not even touching the fact it has over 5 million downloads on the play store alone) people believe that I'm promoting the game in some way.
But that's not really the case. These days, facts can't just be facts anymore if they don't conform to the right opinion.
Scammy games can't successfully fund on kickstarter
Blockchain games can't be popular
Mobile games can't outperform PC games
These are opinions people hold that are against the reality of the situation mmorpgs are in. If you say not to report on blockchain, kickstarters, mobile games, because the reality that these things exist make you angry, you're left with a lot of old mainstream games or long gone dead titles.
Blockchain games aren't scams. At least, many of them aren't. It doesn't mean they're good games, but lets be honest, I could pull 20 non blockchain MMOs out of a hat on steam right now that are in worse conditions.
And for kickstarters, hell, if we're going to talk about that, chronicles of elyria and greed monger both got articles on this site and made the rounds on a lot of others, and those were some of the scammiest games I've ever seen. They were never marketed here positively though as far as I can tell. You may know different though.
I find it even more interesting that you fail to see the difference between curated and non-curated content on this site.
What Slapshot, Quiz and I are all saying is that free (marketing, says Quiz) dissemination of information about a scam, without calling it a scam, with links to its fundraising page on KS, is akin to aiding and abetting the scam.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
And for those of you that don't remember Dreamworld, here's a 45 minute + history of the scam:
I find it interesting what some of you consider marketing. It seems that some people believe that stating something exists is the equivalent of marketing.
In that same way, when I point out factual statements, like Mir 4 is one of the top played games on steam (not even touching the fact it has over 5 million downloads on the play store alone) people believe that I'm promoting the game in some way.
But that's not really the case. These days, facts can't just be facts anymore if they don't conform to the right opinion.
Scammy games can't successfully fund on kickstarter
Blockchain games can't be popular
Mobile games can't outperform PC games
These are opinions people hold that are against the reality of the situation mmorpgs are in. If you say not to report on blockchain, kickstarters, mobile games, because the reality that these things exist make you angry, you're left with a lot of old mainstream games or long gone dead titles.
Blockchain games aren't scams. At least, many of them aren't. It doesn't mean they're good games, but lets be honest, I could pull 20 non blockchain MMOs out of a hat on steam right now that are in worse conditions.
And for kickstarters, hell, if we're going to talk about that, chronicles of elyria and greed monger both got articles on this site and made the rounds on a lot of others, and those were some of the scammiest games I've ever seen. They were never marketed here positively though as far as I can tell. You may know different though.
I find it even more interesting that you fail to see the difference between curated and non-curated content on this site.
What Slapshot, Quiz and I are all saying is that free (marketing, says Quiz) dissemination of information about a scam, without calling it a scam, with links to its fundraising page on KS, is akin to aiding and abetting the scam.
That's ridiculous. I've never read an article under the assumption the writer is going to make my opinion for me. I prefer unbiased information, that's how I give it when I explain blockchain and that's how I like to read my news.
Everyone wants to have their opinion reaffirmed. It's not marketing just because you link a website or page.
And just so you're aware, that scammy game dreamworld you talk about, I just looked it up, those clowns are still posting weekly updates and have their crap game live for people to jump in and play. As scammy as it is, it has more to show for their crap work than COE ever did.
Heres the discord link so you can check it out. You can call it aiding and abetting, I call it finding information.
Yeah I wouldn't expect you or BCBully to agree since you're the two biggest NFT in gaming promoters around here.
But you're just random Joe Poster I wouldn't hold you to the same standards I expect from this site despite the fact you both go out of your way to try to sanitize scams.
And thanks, but no thanks. I'm not wasting time with your link.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I may, or may not, have received the following private message from maskedweasel:
"Crypto-currency and blockchain secured NFTs are the [redacted] future of {redacted]{redacted] gaming and it is the only type of gaming worth your {redacted] time and I'm not a shill just because I happen to run the {redacted] largest producer of Korean pay-2-win {redacted] grinders - I'm getting rich off {redacted] stupid kids with daddy's {redacted]{redacted]{redacted] credit card. lul....plus I drink the blood of innocents to prolong my life... rich and eternal life {redacted]{redacted] is the game, loser."
You couldn't know if the message from me cause I made sure to redact my screen name.
I mean.... I... never sent such a thing.
All that shit is fake for sure, except for the blood drinking part of course.
Nah these days the blood of the innocents is chocked full of kombucha, cannabis, and axe body spray. Blech.
And for those of you that don't remember Dreamworld, here's a 45 minute + history of the scam:
I find it interesting what some of you consider marketing. It seems that some people believe that stating something exists is the equivalent of marketing.
In that same way, when I point out factual statements, like Mir 4 is one of the top played games on steam (not even touching the fact it has over 5 million downloads on the play store alone) people believe that I'm promoting the game in some way.
But that's not really the case. These days, facts can't just be facts anymore if they don't conform to the right opinion.
Scammy games can't successfully fund on kickstarter
Blockchain games can't be popular
Mobile games can't outperform PC games
These are opinions people hold that are against the reality of the situation mmorpgs are in. If you say not to report on blockchain, kickstarters, mobile games, because the reality that these things exist make you angry, you're left with a lot of old mainstream games or long gone dead titles.
Blockchain games aren't scams. At least, many of them aren't. It doesn't mean they're good games, but lets be honest, I could pull 20 non blockchain MMOs out of a hat on steam right now that are in worse conditions.
And for kickstarters, hell, if we're going to talk about that, chronicles of elyria and greed monger both got articles on this site and made the rounds on a lot of others, and those were some of the scammiest games I've ever seen. They were never marketed here positively though as far as I can tell. You may know different though.
I find it even more interesting that you fail to see the difference between curated and non-curated content on this site.
What Slapshot, Quiz and I are all saying is that free (marketing, says Quiz) dissemination of information about a scam, without calling it a scam, with links to its fundraising page on KS, is akin to aiding and abetting the scam.
That's ridiculous. I've never read an article under the assumption the writer is going to make my opinion for me. I prefer unbiased information, that's how I give it when I explain blockchain and that's how I like to read my news.
Everyone wants to have their opinion reaffirmed. It's not marketing just because you link a website or page.
And just so you're aware, that scammy game dreamworld you talk about, I just looked it up, those clowns are still posting weekly updates and have their crap game live for people to jump in and play. As scammy as it is, it has more to show for their crap work than COE ever did.
Heres the discord link so you can check it out. You can call it aiding and abetting, I call it finding information.
Just so you're aware, those weekly updates they keep posting are mostly fake bug fixes, installing another bought asset pack or checking boxes in Unity to enable built-in features. Have a look through the rest of Callum's channel, search out the Dreamworld videos, if you care to. He's gone pretty in-depth with many of their updates.
Dreamworld is absolutely a scam due to sheer incompetence. They never had the ability to make the game they are still selling people, and they never will.
I don't know why mmorpg.com decided to run an article on it when it was so obviously a scam. It's interesting that they aren't putting out any new articles about it, not even in the indie spotlight. I guess they caught on. Hopefully they eventually will with these blockchain scams as well.
That's just it though, the bug fixes they are putting in and the game itself is pretty awful.
It's probably not any more of a scam than a lot of other kickstarter games. I honestly look at a game like ship of heroes and I don't really see much of a difference between that and dream world these days.
But blockchain games are different. For one, most of them are extremely well funded. We're talking about millions of dollars in investment rounds from a bunch of investors... not just players. We also have actual developers working on blockchain games. Some of them are from big name studios.
It's kind of silly to call a lot of blockchain games scams, even if you consider something like this game stella fantasy as a complete genshin clone. Even if it is a clone, it's not like mihoyo just handed over code to the game and let them rebrand it. It does look nearly identical to genshin though.
But ring games apparently received millions in funding already, and they've been in development for a few years.
If you put something like stella fantasy side by side with dream world or chronicles of elyria how would a blockchain game like stella fantasy even be close to being considered a scam?
The worst part of stella fantasy seems to be their tokenomics which seems to have a governance token, and NFTs are based on gear and characters and runes.
I could get into more detail here, but it's easier to cut to the chase.
Instead of straight up gacha (there is still gacha), they are implementing a way to buy characters, gear and upgrade material from other players. They'll probably do something like MIR 4 where you can level characters and sell them to other players.
It's not a worse system than genshin. A more confusing system. It's pretty much just genshin where you can sell all your stuff to other players without having to sell your entire account, which genshin players do from time to time.
But anyways, yeah, not even close to being a scam.
Blockchain? i think the whole NFT and Crypto thing is in heavy decline at the moment, well NFT's for sure, too dodgy, too insecure and prone to theft if not outright rug pulls by those selling the things. Soon as they start mentioning blockchain or nft etc. in the game description, huge red flags, just avoid as if it was diablo immortal or something
Gaming nfts and blockchain are not declining. Monkey picture trading and speculative crypto investing is in decline.
Two separate businesses. Blockchain gaming is actually pretty popular.
You have to have stock in blockchain gaming the way you come to it's defense in every post where people are saying it isn't good.
@k61977, please read @maskedweasel again. He is not defending anything or promoting anything. His post highlights:
1- do not confuse Blockchain gaming with other crypto related business
2- blockchain gaming is booming while the other crypto-shits are declining.
What is the problem with this? None. It is actually very informative. And we need this kind of info in a place where there is so much crypto-hate that can blind us all.
Every single thread that has anything to do with block gaming he chimes in about it and list it as a good thing. He also assumes that people that disagree with him don't understand how it works or are ignorant of it, when most 100% do understand and disagree with it on a fundamental level about it. That is why I chimed in. This isn't the first thread where he tries to state there are good things about it, when in reality blockchain is horrible for gaming across the board.
Blindy stating that blockchain is good for games is just as useless as blindly stating that it is bad for gaming. Fortunately neither side isn't accusing the other of the exact same they are doing themselves. Right? Binary people are weird.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Blockchain? i think the whole NFT and Crypto thing is in heavy decline at the moment, well NFT's for sure, too dodgy, too insecure and prone to theft if not outright rug pulls by those selling the things. Soon as they start mentioning blockchain or nft etc. in the game description, huge red flags, just avoid as if it was diablo immortal or something
Gaming nfts and blockchain are not declining. Monkey picture trading and speculative crypto investing is in decline.
Two separate businesses. Blockchain gaming is actually pretty popular.
You have to have stock in blockchain gaming the way you come to it's defense in every post where people are saying it isn't good.
@k61977, please read @maskedweasel again. He is not defending anything or promoting anything. His post highlights:
1- do not confuse Blockchain gaming with other crypto related business
2- blockchain gaming is booming while the other crypto-shits are declining.
What is the problem with this? None. It is actually very informative. And we need this kind of info in a place where there is so much crypto-hate that can blind us all.
Every single thread that has anything to do with block gaming he chimes in about it and list it as a good thing. He also assumes that people that disagree with him don't understand how it works or are ignorant of it, when most 100% do understand and disagree with it on a fundamental level about it. That is why I chimed in. This isn't the first thread where he tries to state there are good things about it, when in reality blockchain is horrible for gaming across the board.
Blindy stating that blockchain is good for games is just as useless as blindly stating that it is bad for gaming. Fortunately neither side isn't accusing the other of the exact same they are doing themselves. Right? Binary people are weird.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Except that, I've yet to read anything about how block chain is being used in a way which is "good for gaming" or more importantly, good for me and other consumers.
Might be good for those who enjoy speculation, P2E, NFTS, etc, and while I understand why companies want to take these people's money, none of it is of interest to my way of playing.
So yes, so far I'm pretty zero sum on blockchain, it's all crap until I see some positive useage in gaming from my perspective, I could give a care what other people want, their desires can DIAF.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Mir4 is a bad game, but still right now there are 40000+ people playing this crap. So may be it is not "good, but it is undoubtedly popular.
Personally, I think the current implementation of NFT which is based on the false promise of "Pay to Earn" is indeed the worst crap ever.
However the tech exists and will not go anywhere.
Let's be honest: the very idea of owning something in a digital world is seducing (even if it's a lie). I would not be surprised, if in its convulated evolutions some dev will find the right balance, the right way to implement the blockchain in a virtual world.
I think that the first step for it to work is to create a digital world that is worth it. Not seen one yet with blockchain or not.
PS: I expected a cat on the horse I am disappointed.
Blockchain is not necessary to establish digital ownership (in fact, I'd be willing to bet good money we could find examples of digital ownership rights being transferred without any blockchain or NFT in sight if we did an internet search).
Solution in search of a problem, which is why so many have no desire to see NFT gaming grow.
The real worry here is that we're framing this as a matter of having to find reasons this is a bad idea, instead of merely refusing it until someone provides a reason why this is actually a good idea. To date, I've seen absolutely nothing realistic about NFT gaming that would indicate to me it's a good idea. Specifically, nothing that couldn't also be served by more traditional methods.
The responsibility is on those pushing this type of gaming to convince me otherwise. I don't owe any of these devs my time or attention. We would all do well to treat every big new thing this way, specifically in today's digital space.
Mir4 is a bad game, but still right now there are 40000+ people playing this crap. So may be it is not "good, but it is undoubtedly popular.
Personally, I think the current implementation of NFT which is based on the false promise of "Pay to Earn" is indeed the worst crap ever.
However the tech exists and will not go anywhere.
Let's be honest: the very idea of owning something in a digital world is seducing (even if it's a lie). I would not be surprised, if in its convulated evolutions some dev will find the right balance, the right way to implement the blockchain in a virtual world.
I think that the first step for it to work is to create a digital world that is worth it. Not seen one yet with blockchain or not.
PS: I expected a cat on the horse I am disappointed.
Blockchain is not necessary to establish digital ownership (in fact, I'd be willing to bet good money we could find examples of digital ownership rights being transferred without any blockchain or NFT in sight if we did an internet search).
Solution in search of a problem, which is why so many have no desire to see NFT gaming grow.
The real worry here is that we're framing this as a matter of having to find reasons this is a bad idea, instead of merely refusing it until someone provides a reason why this is actually a good idea. To date, I've seen absolutely nothing realistic about NFT gaming that would indicate to me it's a good idea. Specifically, nothing that couldn't also be served by more traditional methods.
The responsibility is on those pushing this type of gaming to convince me otherwise. I don't owe any of these devs my time or attention. We would all do well to treat every big new thing this way, specifically in today's digital space.
Nobody needs to try to convince you of anything. Things are developed the way they are for a reason.
If you think everything can be done without blockchain, it's time to ask yourself two questions.
Why is it bad to use blockchain then?
and
Why are they using blockchain?
There are plenty of reasons why companies have chosen blockchain. Whether or not you agree with them or the reasoning behind the use in gaming doesn't really matter.
Mir4 is a bad game, but still right now there are 40000+ people playing this crap. So may be it is not "good, but it is undoubtedly popular.
Personally, I think the current implementation of NFT which is based on the false promise of "Pay to Earn" is indeed the worst crap ever.
However the tech exists and will not go anywhere.
Let's be honest: the very idea of owning something in a digital world is seducing (even if it's a lie). I would not be surprised, if in its convulated evolutions some dev will find the right balance, the right way to implement the blockchain in a virtual world.
I think that the first step for it to work is to create a digital world that is worth it. Not seen one yet with blockchain or not.
PS: I expected a cat on the horse I am disappointed.
Blockchain is not necessary to establish digital ownership (in fact, I'd be willing to bet good money we could find examples of digital ownership rights being transferred without any blockchain or NFT in sight if we did an internet search).
Solution in search of a problem, which is why so many have no desire to see NFT gaming grow.
The real worry here is that we're framing this as a matter of having to find reasons this is a bad idea, instead of merely refusing it until someone provides a reason why this is actually a good idea. To date, I've seen absolutely nothing realistic about NFT gaming that would indicate to me it's a good idea. Specifically, nothing that couldn't also be served by more traditional methods.
The responsibility is on those pushing this type of gaming to convince me otherwise. I don't owe any of these devs my time or attention. We would all do well to treat every big new thing this way, specifically in today's digital space.
The collective 'we' grows further and further away from our grandparents' and parents' ideals. Some will call it progress, while others will lament the loss of values. Our ancestors scoffed at snake oil salesmen; the collective 'we' is failing to learn from that history. Repetition is inevitable.
And on the 'convincing us otherwise' part. You can be sure their attempts will incorporate FOMO and other methods to convince us we are wrong without actually stating why they think they are right.
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I never said either game was "good".
I said they were popular. There's a difference.
I've played MIR 4. It's horrible. One of the worst MMOs I've ever played.
I also played nino kuni crossworlds. It's not bad at all. You would never know its a blockchain game on mobile. It's just like every other mobile game out there. That means it has gacha, and auto play and crap like that. But it's not any worse than games like lineage mobile or black desert mobile. You can't even exchange the blockchain currency on mobile, you have to access the PC version to exchange tokens.
And nino kuni is extremely crappy in the way you exchange, because you have to spend money by buying black diamonds (which cost 20% of the exchange rate basically) to exchange the currency you earn in game for tokens to exchange to marblex to exchange for currency that you can exchange for real money. It's not a bad game but one of the worst implementations of currency transfer I've seen.
But nowhere did I say that these games were good. I just said they were popular.
There are objectively good blockchain games. I mean nino kuni isn't a bad mobile game. The story is good, the art is good, the blockchain portion is crap, and the monetization is predatory, but that's a mobile game for you. Relative to other mobile games, it's pretty good.
But there are others that I think are good blockchain games too. Skyweaver is cool, but I like card games. Blankos is my favorite use of blockchain as a monetization model because it's not predatory, and it limits your earn potential so there's no botting or terrible consequences.
It is what it is. Nobody has to like it. That doesn't mean MIR 4 isn't in the top 10 of most played steam games, or that nino kuni isn't in the top 10 most played mobile RPGs. Those things are still factual even if you hate blockchain games.
Every single thread that has anything to do with block gaming he chimes in about it and list it as a good thing. He also assumes that people that disagree with him don't understand how it works or are ignorant of it, when most 100% do understand and disagree with it on a fundamental level about it. That is why I chimed in. This isn't the first thread where he tries to state there are good things about it, when in reality blockchain is horrible for gaming across the board.
While, yes, this might be a nature of the beast at the moment, because, lets be honest, all these companies are thinking with their wallet, nothing else.
Also, keep in mind, that a lot of NTF / Blockchain games might be kept alive by casuals that are in fact just looking for a time kill game, and are not worried about ROI, or income, and thus, these games will thrive, even if the market value bottoms out.
That is because, their player base, never had intention to sell, so, if their Felix Ripoff #8745 is worth 50 cents, or 50 dollars, it does not matter to them, when they log in and trade, all that matters, is they spent 5 dollars, and some tradable whateverthefucks for a tail that wags back in rhythm to the sound track their character dances to.
Perhaps a money making scheme, these games might die, but, for me, once companies allow for cross platform ownership, NFT / Blockchain gaming is going to explode, all the people will dust off their WoW Character, or whatever, and look to jump into the Next MMO with a few thousand hour head start, and that.. OMFG, that will change the nature of gaming.
But currently, we are looking at people selling soft porn copies of popular anime waifu's. and as gut wrenching, and tentacular shriveling as this might be, unless you like that stuff, and then it's boner inspiring, in either case, overall something good might still come of it.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
I mean.... I... never sent such a thing.
All that shit is fake for sure, except for the blood drinking part of course.
And for those of you that don't remember Dreamworld, here's a 45 minute + history of the scam:
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
In that same way, when I point out factual statements, like Mir 4 is one of the top played games on steam (not even touching the fact it has over 5 million downloads on the play store alone) people believe that I'm promoting the game in some way.
But that's not really the case. These days, facts can't just be facts anymore if they don't conform to the right opinion.
Scammy games can't successfully fund on kickstarter
Blockchain games can't be popular
Mobile games can't outperform PC games
These are opinions people hold that are against the reality of the situation mmorpgs are in. If you say not to report on blockchain, kickstarters, mobile games, because the reality that these things exist make you angry, you're left with a lot of old mainstream games or long gone dead titles.
Blockchain games aren't scams. At least, many of them aren't. It doesn't mean they're good games, but lets be honest, I could pull 20 non blockchain MMOs out of a hat on steam right now that are in worse conditions.
And for kickstarters, hell, if we're going to talk about that, chronicles of elyria and greed monger both got articles on this site and made the rounds on a lot of others, and those were some of the scammiest games I've ever seen. They were never marketed here positively though as far as I can tell. You may know different though.
What Slapshot, Quiz and I are all saying is that free (marketing, says Quiz) dissemination of information about a scam, without calling it a scam, with links to its fundraising page on KS, is akin to aiding and abetting the scam.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Everyone wants to have their opinion reaffirmed. It's not marketing just because you link a website or page.
And just so you're aware, that scammy game dreamworld you talk about, I just looked it up, those clowns are still posting weekly updates and have their crap game live for people to jump in and play. As scammy as it is, it has more to show for their crap work than COE ever did.
Heres the discord link so you can check it out. You can call it aiding and abetting, I call it finding information.
But you're just random Joe Poster I wouldn't hold you to the same standards I expect from this site despite the fact you both go out of your way to try to sanitize scams.
And thanks, but no thanks. I'm not wasting time with your link.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Nah these days the blood of the innocents is chocked full of kombucha, cannabis, and axe body spray. Blech.
It's probably not any more of a scam than a lot of other kickstarter games. I honestly look at a game like ship of heroes and I don't really see much of a difference between that and dream world these days.
But blockchain games are different. For one, most of them are extremely well funded. We're talking about millions of dollars in investment rounds from a bunch of investors... not just players. We also have actual developers working on blockchain games. Some of them are from big name studios.
It's kind of silly to call a lot of blockchain games scams, even if you consider something like this game stella fantasy as a complete genshin clone. Even if it is a clone, it's not like mihoyo just handed over code to the game and let them rebrand it. It does look nearly identical to genshin though.
But ring games apparently received millions in funding already, and they've been in development for a few years.
If you put something like stella fantasy side by side with dream world or chronicles of elyria how would a blockchain game like stella fantasy even be close to being considered a scam?
The worst part of stella fantasy seems to be their tokenomics which seems to have a governance token, and NFTs are based on gear and characters and runes.
I could get into more detail here, but it's easier to cut to the chase.
Instead of straight up gacha (there is still gacha), they are implementing a way to buy characters, gear and upgrade material from other players. They'll probably do something like MIR 4 where you can level characters and sell them to other players.
It's not a worse system than genshin. A more confusing system. It's pretty much just genshin where you can sell all your stuff to other players without having to sell your entire account, which genshin players do from time to time.
But anyways, yeah, not even close to being a scam.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
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'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Might be good for those who enjoy speculation, P2E, NFTS, etc, and while I understand why companies want to take these people's money, none of it is of interest to my way of playing.
So yes, so far I'm pretty zero sum on blockchain, it's all crap until I see some positive useage in gaming from my perspective, I could give a care what other people want, their desires can DIAF.
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F2P...
LootCrates...
Gambling...
Game Currency...
Kickstarter MMORPGs with unrealistic timelines and budgets...
@MMORPG.COM Really needs to take a stand and stop giving a platform this time.
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Solution in search of a problem, which is why so many have no desire to see NFT gaming grow.
The real worry here is that we're framing this as a matter of having to find reasons this is a bad idea, instead of merely refusing it until someone provides a reason why this is actually a good idea. To date, I've seen absolutely nothing realistic about NFT gaming that would indicate to me it's a good idea. Specifically, nothing that couldn't also be served by more traditional methods.
The responsibility is on those pushing this type of gaming to convince me otherwise. I don't owe any of these devs my time or attention. We would all do well to treat every big new thing this way, specifically in today's digital space.
If you think everything can be done without blockchain, it's time to ask yourself two questions.
Why is it bad to use blockchain then?
and
Why are they using blockchain?
There are plenty of reasons why companies have chosen blockchain. Whether or not you agree with them or the reasoning behind the use in gaming doesn't really matter.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.