MIR4, a MMO with NFT's is already the second most played MMO on Steam, if anyone thought I was being too much of a doom merchant about NFT's and their lead in to crypto think again. Studios will be looking at this and thinking, "Well what has that game got that explains this success"? Happening even faster than I was predicting.
But it's such a horrible game. Like seriously, think Bless Online, just less player friendly. The poor design and mid tier mobile graphics are completely separate from the NFT aspects. They could have built a good game with NFTs.
They didn't.
It's such a bad game. But it will probably survive because of the blockchain aspects, at least until something better comes along.
Sort of makes a case some subset of gamers play for reasons other than fun, or challenging gameplay, instead more focused on personal financial progression or NFT collection even if not considered a "good game" by some measures.
Heck for all we know Mir4 might be one of the best games available for players interested in NFTs, crypto and Play to Earn.
It quite possibly is a good game in the spectrum of blockchain games, not requiring a big "stake" like many of the more "investment" orientated ones require or really need even if they say they don't.
Remember when we used to talk about how a F2P MMO was better if it had started out as a subscription or B2P MMO? We will see the same thing here, MMOs which started out as games which later add NFT and crypto will be better games. Those which started out with NFT's and crypto will focus on those aspects of revenue just like how games which started out F2P focus on the cash shop.
I'm surprised Elden Ring is not on the list. I think it qualifies as an MMORPG around here from the look of things
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How is POE an MMORPG? You can play with at most 4 people in a group and you can go to a Lobby to meet other people. Does that meet todays definition? Play with Four people at a time and a Lobby? Oh, and Global chats.
So Grim Dawn, Wolcen, Diablo are not AARPGs, they are MMORPGs?
I'm surprised Elden Ring is not on the list. I think it qualifies as an MMORPG around here from the look of things
Funny you mention Elden Ring. I might've missed the articles, but I didn't see anything about it on the site yet. They had high concurrent Steam numbers, it was highly anticipated, and crickets.
How is POE an MMORPG? You can play with at most 4 people in a group and you can go to a Lobby to meet other people. Does that meet todays definition? Play with Four people at a time and a Lobby? Oh, and Global chats.
So Grim Dawn, Wolcen, Diablo are not AARPGs, they are MMORPGs?
How is POE an MMORPG? You can play with at most 4 people in a group and you can go to a Lobby to meet other people. Does that meet todays definition? Play with Four people at a time and a Lobby? Oh, and Global chats.
So Grim Dawn, Wolcen, Diablo are not AARPGs, they are MMORPGs?
Might want to ask Steam the same question then.
How many people does it take to call a tiger and anteater in order to make anteater the new name for tiger? Monty Python would like to know.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
How is POE an MMORPG? You can play with at most 4 people in a group and you can go to a Lobby to meet other people. Does that meet todays definition? Play with Four people at a time and a Lobby? Oh, and Global chats.
So Grim Dawn, Wolcen, Diablo are not AARPGs, they are MMORPGs?
Might want to ask Steam the same question then.
How many people does it take to call a tiger and anteater in order to make anteater the new name for tiger? Monty Python would like to know.
The term MMORPG is to brod. I wouldn't consider any of these games true MMOs. The list should look more like
1. FF14
2. ESO
3. Black desert
4. RuneScape
5. Lord of the rings.
Really, no Final Fantasy XIV on the list? It's incredibly active and has absorbed a lot of WoW's refugees AND is on Steam! And has none of the silly NFTs and such! Great game and story too!
Only 2 games are real mmorpg on a mmorpg top 5 list is more than strange and sad for the genre.
Blame this site for putting them on the list. They simply should not be, period. They should have moved down to the next real MMOs. A site called MMORPG doesn't know wtf constitutes an MMORPG. That is strange and sad.
So there's at least 3 traditional mmos on the lost, one persistent online arpg that steam labels as an mmo, the only one that would probably not be considered a true mmo is warframe.
Even Path of Exile devs do not describe it as an MMO, in fact they go out of their way to say it isn't. So literally 40% of the games on this list do not fall into the category of MMORPG.
Really, no Final Fantasy XIV on the list? It's incredibly active and has absorbed a lot of WoW's refugees AND is on Steam! And has none of the silly NFTs and such! Great game and story too!
Most MMORPG players don't use Steam if there's an option not to.
AGS clearly lacks the competency to build their own hence LA and NW are high up on the numbers list.
Besides, no way to get the real numbers for other games outside of Steam so this site had to use what they could get.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Pretty sure at least 100k of the players playing Ark are gold spam bots. They really need to get a handle on it. Most my chat is filled with gold spammers. You block one, three more pop up, move to a new channel or zone, start it all over. Makes lfg in chat a pain in the ass because the second you type something spam pushes it out with double spaced text...
"B U Y L O S T A R K G O L D D O T C O M / 1 0 0 0 / T E N / U S D / F A S T / T E N / M I N I T E S / B L A H / B L A H / B L A H"
Sounds like a good deal, brb need to break some ToS
That's the point. It sounds like a good deal, until they steal your credit card info; so on top of being banned you have to shut your card down due to fraud.
Lmao, what an old person mindset. They never "steal your credit card info". You sound like my Grandparents who won't even use Amazon because they "don't want to give out their credit card info online".
Ten spacebucks this dude doesn't even have a credit score.
The term MMORPG is to brod. I wouldn't consider any of these games true MMOs. The list should look more like
1. FF14
2. ESO
3. Black desert
4. RuneScape
5. Lord of the rings.
Don't forget swtor, as of the list of the op.. most of them are NOT mmorpgs.....
I'm surprised Elden Ring is not on the list. I think it qualifies as an MMORPG around here from the look of things
LOL yes. Elden RIng is excellent. I have more Heroism feelings in this game than in any MMORPG. The difficulty of some bosses (because some others are too easy) + the scale of mystery through open world exploration makes it really EPIC. A hard obtained victory is uniquely rewarding.
Lost Ark is not too bad in this department. But the ARPG side which I can split into
1) ARPG borrow from shoot them up for the sheer number of enemies you can almost instantly annihilate
2) top view instead of horizontal perspective
makes it less immersive and successful in the heroism side than Elden RIng which becomes very visceral in close combat.
What Lost Ark does very well is the characters' special effects and adding hollywoodian cutscenes that are enhancing the adventure mood and the overall badasserie. This is not the goal of Elden Ring here because of its more tragic atmosphere. For badasserie, Elden Ring relies more on the player's successes and on the equipment designs.
Moreover Lost Ark like many other MMO suffers from the since-we-are-all-the-hero-nobody-truly-is syndrome. In Elden RIng, one can see other players, but there are mere ghosts. Here, you truly ARE the hero.
Finally, a game that does it right. (too bad the PC interface is not as satisfying as the gameplay)
Side note: Destiny 2, which is as much or more of an MMO than PoE or Warframe, had 85k average concurrent players with a peak of 290k players crushing New World by a significant margin yet is nowhere on this list. Odd.
Side note: Destiny 2, which is as much or more of an MMO than PoE or Warframe, had 85k average concurrent players with a peak of 290k players crushing New World by a significant margin yet is nowhere on this list. Odd.
Ahh, but the category was MMORPG which Destiny 2 isn't.
Typically considered a multiplayer online FPS, even on the Steam site.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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MIR4, I can give some insights, I've some friends playing it religiously for about 5 months and still doing so, they started cause the NFT fever, but stayed for the social part of the game, specifically Guilds. Since there is real money on the table Guilds take stuff seriously to a point that makes it look like RPing; wars, betrayals, spies even invasions were weaker guilds or proxys of stronger guilds move to less populated/newer servers to conquer the money printing machines, social dramas are the soul of the game.
The game is obviously not for everyone.
- its an auto game you'll be playing around 20-30% of the time the other 80% you will be "mining" aka leaving the game in auto killing mobs getting exp, resources, etc
- the game has low English representation
- obviously P2W plus RNG (lootboxes)
- no character depth
- low optimization
- Bots, hackers and Bots with hacks
- chat can get really toxic pretty fast
I'm prolly missing a couple but yeah, if you don't like social games and stuff stay away.
MIR4, I can give some insights, I've some friends playing it religiously for about 5 months and still doing so, they started cause the NFT fever, but stayed for the social part of the game, specifically Guilds. Since there is real money on the table Guilds take stuff seriously to a point that makes it look like RPing; wars, betrayals, spies even invasions were weaker guilds or proxys of stronger guilds move to less populated/newer servers to conquer the money printing machines, social dramas are the soul of the game.
The game is obviously not for everyone.
- its an auto game you'll be playing around 20-30% of the time the other 80% you will be "mining" aka leaving the game in auto killing mobs getting exp, resources, etc
- the game has low English representation
- obviously P2W plus RNG (lootboxes)
- no character depth
- low optimization
- Bots, hackers and Bots with hacks
- chat can get really toxic pretty fast
I'm prolly missing a couple but yeah, if you don't like social games and stuff stay away.
It's a social game but you are AFK/autoing 80% of the time? Seems like a contradiction
MIR4, I can give some insights, I've some friends playing it religiously for about 5 months and still doing so, they started cause the NFT fever, but stayed for the social part of the game, specifically Guilds. Since there is real money on the table Guilds take stuff seriously to a point that makes it look like RPing; wars, betrayals, spies even invasions were weaker guilds or proxys of stronger guilds move to less populated/newer servers to conquer the money printing machines, social dramas are the soul of the game.
The game is obviously not for everyone.
- its an auto game you'll be playing around 20-30% of the time the other 80% you will be "mining" aka leaving the game in auto killing mobs getting exp, resources, etc
- the game has low English representation
- obviously P2W plus RNG (lootboxes)
- no character depth
- low optimization
- Bots, hackers and Bots with hacks
- chat can get really toxic pretty fast
I'm prolly missing a couple but yeah, if you don't like social games and stuff stay away.
Yet still it is the second most played MMO on Steam, this is literally yelling at studios "get the NFT's in".
To be perfectly honest I did the afk fishing once in BDO and never did it again. I did everything including riding my wagons to sell everywhere by hand. I know how stupid of me I guess. I really enjoyed myself riding to far off lands and getting ambushed and all that. I may have played it wrong but damn it I enjoyed msyelf.
To be perfectly honest I did the afk fishing once in BDO and never did it again. I did everything including riding my wagons to sell everywhere by hand. I know how stupid of me I guess. I really enjoyed myself riding to far off lands and getting ambushed and all that. I may have played it wrong but damn it I enjoyed msyelf.
There is no "playing it wrong" or stupid if you enjoyed it.
I was referring to the majority of players that would set these up and go completely AFK, letting their PC run overnight and 24/7. Two problems:
1) It is a waste of electricity and could be done offline with the same player experience, since the player is afk anyway. "Online afk" players like you could still stay online.
2) Setting afk up needs to be the last thing you do before going afk and locks your toon. EVE's afk approach is more decoupled from active play and more flexible.
I am easily entertained I find many games quite fun and while people gnash their teeth and call it boring I find it fun and engaging. I always like exploring you see so it is something I enjoy sitting and playing for. More importantly I read everything and love quests. I'm willing to overlook a lot in an MMORPG if the story and lore are good. However I have to my chagrin found that what I find good like the volume of lore in Everquest 2, tedious and badly done to another person.
Sometimes it is not always good to judge everything so harshly, you sabotage your enjoyment by having a very bad view in general which you infect in every game and hence can never appreciate some of the good things. It pays to be a little naive in the fun department and less cynical in one's view.
I was always tickled pink when I ran into my own workers in the world.
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Remember when we used to talk about how a F2P MMO was better if it had started out as a subscription or B2P MMO? We will see the same thing here, MMOs which started out as games which later add NFT and crypto will be better games. Those which started out with NFT's and crypto will focus on those aspects of revenue just like how games which started out F2P focus on the cash shop.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
So Grim Dawn, Wolcen, Diablo are not AARPGs, they are MMORPGs?
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
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1. FF14
2. ESO
3. Black desert
4. RuneScape
5. Lord of the rings.
The only interesting thing in the post is the NFT crapfest game being high.
Lots of MMOs on steam have their own launchers so the numbers are kind of pointless to compare with steam only games as well.
Even Path of Exile devs do not describe it as an MMO, in fact they go out of their way to say it isn't. So literally 40% of the games on this list do not fall into the category of MMORPG.
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/55086
AGS clearly lacks the competency to build their own hence LA and NW are high up on the numbers list.
Besides, no way to get the real numbers for other games outside of Steam so this site had to use what they could get.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Ten spacebucks this dude doesn't even have a credit score.
LOL yes. Elden RIng is excellent. I have more Heroism feelings in this game than in any MMORPG. The difficulty of some bosses (because some others are too easy) + the scale of mystery through open world exploration makes it really EPIC. A hard obtained victory is uniquely rewarding.
Typically considered a multiplayer online FPS, even on the Steam site.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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The game is obviously not for everyone.
- its an auto game you'll be playing around 20-30% of the time the other 80% you will be "mining" aka leaving the game in auto killing mobs getting exp, resources, etc
- the game has low English representation
- obviously P2W plus RNG (lootboxes)
- no character depth
- low optimization
- Bots, hackers and Bots with hacks
- chat can get really toxic pretty fast
I'm prolly missing a couple but yeah, if you don't like social games and stuff stay away.
It's a social game but you are AFK/autoing 80% of the time? Seems like a contradiction
Sometimes it is not always good to judge everything so harshly, you sabotage your enjoyment by having a very bad view in general which you infect in every game and hence can never appreciate some of the good things. It pays to be a little naive in the fun department and less cynical in one's view.
I was always tickled pink when I ran into my own workers in the world.