Amazon, Intrepid even Visionary Realms all show potential and may pave the way for others.

delete5230

All three companies show their is a future chance for another "western" mmorpg. 

Hopefully the fire can be ignited with these three "Western" games. Lets not forget the take over of Blizzard could produce an unexpected surprise for us. 

Lets hope one, two or all three can pull something off.  If not I'm afraid too much longer will scar the industry for good.

Our last hope. 

BLNX

Any day Delete posts is a good day.

Kyleran

My money is on Riot, hopefully I'll live long enough to see their MMO come to fruition.

Rungar

Kyleran said:

My money is on Riot, hopefully I'll live long enough to see their MMO come to fruition.

i don't know if they'll make something i'm interested (my guess is wow 2.0) in but it'll likely be the only one assuming, as you say, well live long enough to see it. lol.  

delete5230

I don't think Pantheon would ever be more than a broken game.  Don't get me wrong, their are plenty of people that like playing a game like that, waiting for patch after patch for year's..... It's like that mechanic that likes old farm tractors that never run right and breaks down constantly.  Infact I may even enjoy that. 

For Ashes of Creation, I hate PvP, but if all holds true on their outrageously bold  development plans, it could turn into a great game. 

Amazon, well they have the money to do what they want....So will see.

AAAMEOW

There is like 1000 mmorpg ever made.  You are not happy with any of it.  Just give it up.  You won't like the next one.  

delete5230

AAAMEOW said:

There is like 1000 mmorpg ever made.  You are not happy with any of it.  Just give it up.  You won't like the next one.  

990 of them suck, maybe 10 are good.  Infact about 950 are not even mmorpgs, their single player games on line. 

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BLNX

delete5230 said:

All three companies show their is a future chance for another "western" mmorpg. 

Hopefully the fire can be ignited with these three "Western" games. Lets not forget the take over of Blizzard could produce an unexpected surprise for us. 

Lets hope one, two or all three can pull something off.  If not I'm afraid too much longer will scar the industry for good.

Our last hope. 

Apart from the fact of infinite money, do you think Amazon really can do it? I had no bias against Amazon but they really did drop the ball on New World.

delete5230

BLNX said:

delete5230 said:

All three companies show their is a future chance for another "western" mmorpg. 

Hopefully the fire can be ignited with these three "Western" games. Lets not forget the take over of Blizzard could produce an unexpected surprise for us. 

Lets hope one, two or all three can pull something off.  If not I'm afraid too much longer will scar the industry for good.

Our last hope. 

Apart from the fact of infinite money, do you think Amazon really can do it? I had no bias against Amazon but they really did drop the ball on New World.

Because they recently released New World, I wouldn't expect them to rush right out to make another one. Ten years at the minimum. Also companies of power only take others of powers advice, so theirs no one like us to tell them New World is too generic. 

Even if their population drops to zero, they would never understand why.... They would simply make the assumption "mmorpgs are not expected to last long".

Best case, Microsoft makes one. 

nurso

Companies that aim to cater to mass tastes should not be expected to create anything better than an average gaming experience. This eliminates giants like Tencent/Riot, Microsoft/Blizzard, Amazon, etc. Only average games are likely to come from these companies.

In my opinion, it would be good if a somewhat smaller, i.e. a double-A publisher, would take an interest in MMORPGs. Because at this scale you get the best of both worlds: Audio and graphics show quality, and the publisher is willing to occupy niches rather than cater to the mass market. Paradox is a perfect candidate, IMO.

Angrakhan

nurso said:

Companies that aim to cater to mass tastes should not be expected to create anything better than an average gaming experience. This eliminates giants like Tencent/Riot, Microsoft/Blizzard, Amazon, etc. Only average games are likely to come from these companies.

In my opinion, it would be good if a somewhat smaller, i.e. a double-A publisher, would take an interest in MMORPGs. Because at this scale you get the best of both worlds: Audio and graphics show quality, and the publisher is willing to occupy niches rather than cater to the mass market. Paradox is a perfect candidate, IMO.

AAA graphics and sound on an MMO scale costs tens of millions of dollars to produce especially in today's inflated market. I don't think a AA studio will take that kind of financial risk to occupy a niche. 

Xiaoki

"... has potential" is probably the worst thing you can say about upcoming MMOs.

Brainy

delete5230 said:

BLNX said:

delete5230 said:

All three companies show their is a future chance for another "western" mmorpg. 

Hopefully the fire can be ignited with these three "Western" games. Lets not forget the take over of Blizzard could produce an unexpected surprise for us. 

Lets hope one, two or all three can pull something off.  If not I'm afraid too much longer will scar the industry for good.

Our last hope. 

Apart from the fact of infinite money, do you think Amazon really can do it? I had no bias against Amazon but they really did drop the ball on New World.

Best case, Microsoft makes one. 

Has Microsoft ever actually made a unique game that was good?  I am genuinely curious, because I cant think of one.  I have seen them taking over popular IP's and run them into the ground.

I don't expect Microsoft to be able to develop and release anything that takes the market to the next step.  Likely they will release a watered down sequel of a title they purchased, that's worse than the original version.

ConstantineMerus

Amazon should buy EA. It is a match made in heaven. 

nurso

worldsbestdad said:

You want a company whose only successful and well known games are all real time strategies to stop and make an MMORPG? Call me crazy but making games is kinda hard, especially MMORPGs. There's probably good reason that they stick to what they know.

The difference between AA and AAA is not so much the effort put into the code, but the money spent on graphics, voice overs, marketing and so on. And frankly, I'd rather have an MMORPG with good gameplay than one that relies on photo-realistic graphics as its unique selling point.

Angrakhan said:

AAA graphics and sound on an MMO scale costs tens of millions of dollars to produce especially in today's inflated market. I don't think a AA studio will take that kind of financial risk to occupy a niche. 

You don't need AAA graphics for MMORPGs. Good animations and a reasonable polygon budget are enough if the graphic designers can handle them. More is even counterproductive IMO.

The_Korrigan

worldsbestdad said:

If Amazon has taught us anything it's that money doesn't correlate to quality when it comes to games or TV.

I disagree on the TV part.

For instance, The Expanse is an awesome Sci-Fi series, one of the best created these last years since Battlestar Galactica, and if the upcoming Lord of the Rings one is even just half as good, it will be great too.

BLNX

worldsbestdad said:

ConstantineMerus said:

Amazon should buy EA. It is a match made in heaven. 

Its genius! They were made for each other

Unfortunately, unlike Bethesda and Activision - Blizzard, EA doesn't really care if they get bad press. So Microsoft can't buy them on the cheap

Rungar

worldsbestdad said:

The_Korrigan said:

worldsbestdad said:

If Amazon has taught us anything it's that money doesn't correlate to quality when it comes to games or TV.

I disagree on the TV part.

For instance, The Expanse is an awesome Sci-Fi series, one of the best created these last years since Battlestar Galactica, and if the upcoming Lord of the Rings one is even just half as good, it will be great too.

Watch this in its entirety and tell me this will be good.

Looks like Sauron won afterall. 

Kyleran

worldsbestdad said:

ConstantineMerus said:

Amazon should buy EA. It is a match made in heaven. 

Its genius! They were made for each other

Makes more sense for EA to buy Amazon Game Studios so Amazon can go back to selling books, ruling the Meta-verse or something.

Games clearly aren't Amazon's forte.

The_Korrigan

worldsbestdad said:

The_Korrigan said:

worldsbestdad said:

If Amazon has taught us anything it's that money doesn't correlate to quality when it comes to games or TV.

I disagree on the TV part.

For instance, The Expanse is an awesome Sci-Fi series, one of the best created these last years since Battlestar Galactica, and if the upcoming Lord of the Rings one is even just half as good, it will be great too.

Watch this in its entirety and tell me this will be good.

Why would it be bad ? Because they suck at interviews and are black ?

Oh please...

Scot

The_Korrigan said:

worldsbestdad said:

If Amazon has taught us anything it's that money doesn't correlate to quality when it comes to games or TV.

I disagree on the TV part.

For instance, The Expanse is an awesome Sci-Fi series, one of the best created these last years since Battlestar Galactica, and if the upcoming Lord of the Rings one is even just half as good, it will be great too.

Money doesn't guarantee anything, but a small budget will give you a small result, in gaming that means a smaller game with less content. You can have a large budget and waste it, you see that everywhere from business to government projects, games are no different.

olepi

I've always wanted to create a Wild West MMO.

Four factions: Indians, Settlers, Renegades, and Outlaws. Renegades and Outlaws are obviously fighting against everybody else, and each other. Or they can team up together.

Also have a RTS style ranch building. Town building with area influence and control. Rob the town's bank and the town's area of control shrinks.

Indians can grow their territory with Totems.

Little magic, mostly just healing, for Settlers. Indians have more magic, like buffs and spirit attacks.

Build a ranch, build up a herd, make a cattle drive. Fight off Outlaws, Renegades, and Indians.

Scot

Guys can we just ask posters to keep calm and carry on posting, otherwise it can get way too personal.

nurso

worldsbestdad said:

Graphics and voice actors are the main cost, what the heck? I am genuinely unsure how you got this response from my post.

Sorry for the confusion.

On the one hand, Paradox was only meant as an example of what I imagine AA publishers to be like. On the other hand, I am confident that Paradox as a publisher (not as a developer!) has enough resources and the right attitude to make for example Pantheon a success.

worldsbestdad said:

Your thought process on this whole thing is wonky and blatantly incorrect. Less money and less talent = better MMORPG? What...?

I did not say that less money and less talent lead to better MMORPGs.

In my opinion, reasonably chosen restrictions, such as a lower maximum polygon count for character models, can foster the creativity of graphic designers better than simply digitising a rock with a 3D scanner.

On that note: the amount of work for the basic server and client code is roughly the same for a AAA or AA MMORPG. Even a Kickstarter MMORPG cannot get by with a smaller "code base". What differentiates the AAA, AA and Kickstarter categories is the money that goes into things like graphics, voice acting, marketing and so on. And this is where reasonable limits could help "level" the playing field (i.e. gameplay > graphics).

The_Korrigan

worldsbestdad said:

The_Korrigan said:

worldsbestdad said:

The_Korrigan said:

worldsbestdad said:

If Amazon has taught us anything it's that money doesn't correlate to quality when it comes to games or TV.

I disagree on the TV part.

For instance, The Expanse is an awesome Sci-Fi series, one of the best created these last years since Battlestar Galactica, and if the upcoming Lord of the Rings one is even just half as good, it will be great too.

Watch this in its entirety and tell me this will be good.

Why would it be bad ? Because they suck at interviews and are black ?

Oh please...

Umm...   ...   no? Not where I was taking that at all.
"Why were the rings even made?"
"...if Sauron is hot, maybe I can fix him."
"*starts rapping* I'ma make a ring right now,"

Did you even watch it? If you watched this video and came up with that response I think you might be completely fucked in the head, sorry son.

So because they suck in an interview.

Thankfully, on a movie set, there's a director and they can't just rap the ring. There are many actors who behave like total idiots or asshats when they aren't acting.

Scot said:

Guys can we just ask posters to keep calm and carry on posting, otherwise it can get way too personal.

We can live without the self appointed moderator too.

Nothing personal either.