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[Article] Star Citizen: A $400+ Million Gaming Project With No Release Date In Sight.

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  • ArglebargleArglebargle Member EpicPosts: 3,184
    Every two or three years, there needs to be an article like this to remind everyone.   And to introduce the history to the new crop of fanboys.
    KyleranBabuinixVrikaScot

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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,426
    nurso said:
    Erillion said:
    nowhere do they mention what makes Star Citizen appealing to its backers.

    Such articles exist solely to generate engagement, hence the doom and gloom... in my opinion we need some sort of meta site that does not review games but gaming articles.
    If we need a meta-website on anything it'd be for calling the devs out for their bullshit. Then another meta-website to warn us of games that don't ensure their sponsored videos are marked clearly enough as being sponsored.
     
  • nursonurso Member UncommonPosts: 294
    Vrika said:
    If we need a meta-website on anything it'd be for calling the devs out for their bullshit. Then another meta-website to warn us of games that don't ensure their sponsored videos are marked clearly enough as being sponsored.
    It's not a one-way street. Gamers should also be called out for their bullshit.
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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,426
    nurso said:
    Vrika said:
    If we need a meta-website on anything it'd be for calling the devs out for their bullshit. Then another meta-website to warn us of games that don't ensure their sponsored videos are marked clearly enough as being sponsored.
    It's not a one-way street. Gamers should also be called out for their bullshit.
    Only one party is getting money for each game sold. The rest are less important.
    Kyleran
     
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 40,928
    nurso said:
    lahnmir said:
    True. But you could also open the link mentioned in the article which opens an album full of quotes, roughly 400. These quotes all come from interviews, articles etc. that simply gave, and give, CIG a platform, no negative or positive bias, since both suck equally and are purely for engagement purposes.

    The real interesting part is then judging all these quotes given by CIG themselves over the last decade and compare them to the current situation and then draw conclusions. You could then, for yourself, decide if a negative article about the subject is understandable.

    And this is exactly my issue with this article: The author stops before he or she even gets to what you call the "real interesting part". I don't know what the author is trying to achieve. In my opinion, articles should offer more than a mere list of facts.
    Really? No matter what else might be added, the facts don't change, many promises have been made and broken, with no real end in sight, this truly is "the song that never ends."


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  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 3,979
    edited August 2021
    These kind of articles are a great way to weed out the uneducated masses from the game.

    With no basic knowledge of game development or what backing a huge ambitious game entails they usually end up being more of a nuisance than anything lol

    Last thing the game needs is more crybabies trowing tantrums in chat because they lost all their credits due to a bug  :D

    Still, the free marketing exposure does wonders to funding so there's that lol


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  • nursonurso Member UncommonPosts: 294
    Vrika said:
    Only one party is getting money for each game sold. The rest are less important.

    With an attitude like that, it's no surprise when developers don't put themselves through the stress and prefer to work for uncreative and faceless AAA studios or turn their backs on the gaming industry altogether.
    Babuinix
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 4,860
    Babuinix said:
    These kind of articles are a great way to weed out the uneducated masses from the game.

    With no basic knowledge of game development or what backing a huge ambitious game entails they usually end up being more of a nuisance than anything lol

    Last thing the game needs is more crybabies trowing tautrums in chat because they lost all their credits due to a bug  :D

    Still, the free marketing exposure does wonders to funding so there's that lol


    Are you here to ruin yet another thread by burying it in your big, not related to the topic, numbers and “superior” knowledge, silly meme’s and pretty pictures? If so, please just leave, it is more tiring then the stuff any “hater” can throw at CIG or SC. Or the cringe that CIG and company can throw at themselves, looking at that decade of comments made by them. At least the snarky, misplaced attitude of superiority should feel familiar.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
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    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...



    'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless. 

    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 3,979
    Nah it's cozy in here, besides, the power you atribute to my posting is on you :D
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 40,928
    lahnmir said:
    Babuinix said:
    These kind of articles are a great way to weed out the uneducated masses from the game.

    With no basic knowledge of game development or what backing a huge ambitious game entails they usually end up being more of a nuisance than anything lol


    Are you here to ruin yet another thread by burying it in your big, not related to the topic, numbers and “superior” knowledge, silly meme’s and pretty pictures? If so, please just leave, it is more tiring then the stuff any “hater” can throw at CIG or SC. Or the cringe that CIG and company can throw at themselves, looking at that decade of comments made by them. At least the snarky, misplaced attitude of superiority should feel familiar.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    What's great is he's calling out other people about not understanding game development yet considering the countless number of CI quotes there are of delivery promises which they made yet could not come close to meeting it's pretty clear who exactly doesn't understand the way things really work.

    (Developers lie, backers throw money at them)

    The big change recently is CR has discovered he no longer even needs to lie about promise dates, or even bother giving them as the money continues to flow in regardless.

    "When it's done it's done" or something like this will probably be the epitaph carved on the crowd funding industry's tombstone when it's all said and done, at least when it comes to MMORPGs.


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  • SharneSharne Member RarePosts: 327
    edited August 2021
    Babuinix said:
    These kind of articles are a great way to weed out the uneducated masses from the game.

    With no basic knowledge of game development or what backing a huge ambitious game entails they usually end up being more of a nuisance than anything lol

    Last thing the game needs is more crybabies trowing tantrums in chat because they lost all their credits due to a bug  :D

    Still, the free marketing exposure does wonders to funding so there's that lol


    There are plenty of software developers who frequent this site and I believe a few game developers too. At the end of the day, software development is software development, regardless of the field of expertise.

    On top of that, we see regularly game development in progress as we are all gamers, many of us opt into early access, some with good outcomes, some with bad outcomes.

    So to say that no one has a clue (obviously apart from you), is pretty disingenuous to say the least.

    The worrying trend, pretty much kicked off by Star Citizen, is that more and more companies, seem to be making so much money up front , with no accountability on how good the end product will be and whether the end product will actually end up being firstly an end product, secondly any good and lastly, released in my lifetime.
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  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,254
    Erillion said:
    Kyleran said:
    Clearly the backers are happy with what they see or are getting as the money keeps rolling in.

    Won't surprise me at all to see SC clear the $500M crowd funding mark, in fact even if the game(s) eventually do launch (and start being "sold") I expect CI to keep asking for more crowd funding to build future expansions or what not.

    They'll probably get it too.  Weird.


    I am one the backers that are happy with what they see.

    But you can call me biased ;-)


    As for the article ... its a collection of things said about Star Citizen since the projects beginning. Some true, some given a negative tone like Lahnmir said, none of it new, nowhere do they mention what makes Star Citizen appealing to its backers.



    Have fun
    Good to see you back!  Hope you've been doing well.

    I have.

    Sending things into space.

    For real ;-)


    Have fun
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  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 3,979
    LoL circle jerking around old ass quotes without any understanding of the context like it's some kind of "gotcha" is the perfect example of the low hanging dev hating fruit that gamers with a grudge and no clue about game dev like to eat.
    No wonder they would fawn over such a "no brain" blog post lol

    If you want to see what an actual gaming article made by a real journalist looks like look no further:


    You're Welcome. B)
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,254
    Interesting IGN article.


    Have fun
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 4,860
    Sharne said:
    Babuinix said:
    These kind of articles are a great way to weed out the uneducated masses from the game.

    With no basic knowledge of game development or what backing a huge ambitious game entails they usually end up being more of a nuisance than anything lol

    Last thing the game needs is more crybabies trowing tantrums in chat because they lost all their credits due to a bug  :D

    Still, the free marketing exposure does wonders to funding so there's that lol


    There are plenty of software developers who frequent this site and I believe a few game developers too. At the end of the day, software development is software development, regardless of the field of expertise.

    On top of that, we see regularly game development in progress as we are all gamers, many of us opt into early access, some with good outcomes, some with bad outcomes.

    So to say that no one has a clue (obviously apart from you), is pretty disingenuous to say the least.

    The worrying trend, pretty much kicked off by Star Citizen, is that more and more companies, seem to be making so much money up front , with no accountability on how good the end product will be and whether the end product will actually end up being firstly an end product, secondly any good and lastly, released in my lifetime.
    I’ll just let the quotes do the talking:

    “by the end of this year backers will have everything they originally pledged for, plus a lot more.” - Chris Roberts 2015

    ”Squadron 42: We’re now sort of on the downhill ramp. We’re now 18 months away, looking like from when we have to be ready to release it.” - Chris Roberts 2018

    “We’ll flesh out a star system and then towards the end of the year we’ll open up so you can go visit some other star system.” - Chris Roberts 2016

    “Its not like we’re selling stuff we still have to pay for doen the road.” - Chris Roberts 2015

    The list is truly endless but you get the idea, now lets look at the big numbers again. Aren’t they pretty? Who cares about promises and dates when you get these fabulous results without any kind of accountability.

    SC is pretty good, CIG and its inability to make good on their own promises? Pretty bad.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
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    'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...



    'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless. 

    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 3,979
    edited August 2021
    There's no promises in game development lol only intentions.

    You could probably make a book for every gaming dev/companies with quotes of things that ended up not materialising because that is the very nature of game development.

    At the same time you could make another book with quotes of things that ended up materialising.

    Hanging on to dev words and then crying foul is just an low effort excuse to being mad and bitter at dev's instead of actually understanding why these things happen in the first place. It's peak gamer ignorance.

    But hey, clickbait and negativity circle-jerks are easier to push to the masses since it doesn't require actual knowledge or critical thinking lol
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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 9,337
    Babuinix said:
    There's no promises in game development lol only intentions.

    You could probably make a book for every gaming dev/companies with quotes of things that ended up not materialising because that is the very nature of game development.

    At the same time you could make another book with quotes of things that ended up materialising.

    Hanging on to dev words and then crying foul is just an low effort excuse to being mad and bitter at dev's instead of actually understanding why these things happen in the first place. It's peak gamer ignorance.

    But hey, clickbait and negativity circle-jerks are easier to push to the masses since it doesn't require actual knowledge or critical thinking lol

    IT does surprise me though that we have an entire forum of really stupid people except for one person.......
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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 4,860
    edited August 2021
    Babuinix said:
    There's no promises in game development lol only intentions.

    You could probably make a book for every gaming dev/companies with quotes of things that ended up not materialising because that is the very nature of game development.

    At the same time you could make another book with quotes of things that ended up materialising.

    Hanging on to dev words and then crying foul is just an low effort excuse to being mad and bitter at dev's instead of actually understanding why these things happen in the first place. It's peak gamer ignorance.

    But hey, clickbait and negativity circle-jerks are easier to push to the masses since it doesn't require actual knowledge or critical thinking lol

    IT does surprise me though that we have an entire forum of really stupid people except for one person.......
    It isn't difficult, just citizenplain all the bad away by removing all acountability. Because, really, there is no promises in game development, just intentions, and when a company is dumb enough to keep making promises for roughly a decade that they can't keep, you just change them into 'Intentions.' And following that train of thought you could also change all the good things they do into 'pure luck' since there is only "ïntentions" in game development, no accountability or plan.

    Babs knows this, he has no intention of being objective or reasonable. He just wants to paint the "entire" picture by removing all the negativity, or at least mock it. It is simply rewriting the narrative, probably a control thing. It is also tiring to see every SC/CIG thread ruined by it and meanwhile have this circle jerk thread (Babs likes this word) of crowdfunding milestones which serves absolutely no purpose except flashing someone elses' e-peen. At least the screenshot thread has some nice pictures. It is this weird attempt to control the entire SC/CIG narrative on this website and somehow people are okay with this and let it happen.

    TL:DR:

    Showing CIGs big numbers = Good
    Showing CIGs failed promises = Bad

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir


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    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...



    'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless. 

    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 3,979
    I wouldn't call them stupid though, more like a combination of bitterness and jadedness due to the state of the mmorpg scene.

    So it's natural that some here find comfort embracing ideas that helps them release the frustration of not having a mmorpg to call home for so long while at the same time giving them an excuse to lash onto the ones they believe are the culprits of the issue lol

    It's all about the mindset though. You can choose to stay miserable while you wait for something to enjoy or you can make the effort to enjoy what's available.  B)
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 4,860
    Babuinix said:
    I wouldn't call them stupid though, more like a combination of bitterness and jadedness due to the state of the mmorpg scene.

    So it's natural that some here find comfort embracing ideas that helps them release the frustration of not having a mmorpg to call home for so long while at the same time giving them an excuse to lash onto the ones they believe are the culprits of the issue lol

    It's all about the mindset though. You can choose to stay miserable while you wait for something to enjoy or you can make the effort to enjoy what's available.  B)
    you could also just be honest and enjoy something without ignoring, mocking or underplaying the negative. Just a thought.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
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    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...



    'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless. 

    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 15,470
    Babuinix said:
    These kind of articles are a great way to weed out the uneducated masses from the game.


    If that were true then there would be no players of the game...
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  • ArglebargleArglebargle Member EpicPosts: 3,184
    Sadly, as evidenced by the article in question, Roberts has  learned very little from his previous missteps.  And now he doesn't have a controlling organization that can compensate for his continuing errors.  As long as the money comes in, he'll keep meandering around, changing things at whim, and basking in the adulation of the adoring fanboys.

    Can't wait for the amusing problems that the eventual move to persistence will bring.  But wait, I will have to wait....for  a looong time, if the past is anything to go by....

    If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,322
    Babuinix said:
    These kind of articles are a great way to weed out the uneducated masses from the game.


    If that were true then there would be no players of the game...

    Weeds, in this case, are persistent.



    Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 40,928
    edited August 2021
    Erillion said:
    Interesting IGN article.


    Have fun
    Clearly from the article it's all the German's fault! (With regards to localization / UI challenges anyways)

    "“Planning ahead helps, but nothing will prepare you for German,” he said. “German destroys your best laid plans. German will defeat you. That text field you thought would only ever need a single 10-20 character word?

    Nope. German has a unique word for that and it’s a hundred and twelve characters long. We even have a native German developer on our team and he refuses to translate our games into German.

    This is all said tongue-in-cheek, of course, just to illustrate a point.."

    Now the article was a good read, perhaps every game dev lead should have to sign off that they've read it two or three times before they go giving unrealistic estimates on how long their new MMO will take to deliver.

    Heck, you might want to forward it to CR...

    ;)



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  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 3,979
    Sharne said:
    There are plenty of software developers who frequent this site and I believe a few game developers too. At the end of the day, software development is software development, regardless of the field of expertise.

    On top of that, we see regularly game development in progress as we are all gamers, many of us opt into early access, some with good outcomes, some with bad outcomes.

    So to say that no one has a clue (obviously apart from you), is pretty disingenuous to say the least.

    The worrying trend, pretty much kicked off by Star Citizen, is that more and more companies, seem to be making so much money up front , with no accountability on how good the end product will be and whether the end product will actually end up being firstly an end product, secondly any good and lastly, released in my lifetime.
    Are they? Haven't seen them in any Star Citizen threads, only the same old tired and jaded randoms with an a axe to grind and little knowledge of actual games and their development lol
    lahnmir said:
    you could also just be honest and enjoy something without ignoring, mocking or underplaying the negative. Just a thought.
    It's been honestly a joy to point out the constant useless misconceptions and unicorns spawned about Star Citizen, crowdfunded games or game development in general by entitled gamers with no clue :p

    You can trace those calls back to 2016-17 when despite worldwide doomsday predictions that Star Citizen was on the brink of collapse, that it would just keep on being developed and generating millions in the process, rinse & repeat despite all the haters and naysayers "predictions".

    Here we are again, with Star Citizen well established as the best space sim in the market, despite still in alpha, and receiving regular updates along the years.

    Despite being announced back in 2012 after a tremendous successful funding campaign and spawning the resurgence of space flight games there's still no game even close to be able to provide the features it's alpha build already provides, steadily securing it's king of the space sim games crown for the years to come.

    That's just how ahead it was back then like it is now and will keep being as new updates are deployed.

    Rinse & Repeat B)
    Kyleran
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