Game Revenue Idea

Wargfoot

Apparently these guys got rich off writing cheats: 
Police bust 'world's biggest' video-game-cheat operation - BBC News

Up to $200.00 per month for a subscription to a cheat site.
Evidently they were totally unaware that the community won't even pay $15 per month for a subscription.

Sheesh.

Quizzical

Sounds like the cheat programs targeted whales.  After all, there are people willing to spend $200 per month on games for huge advantages in "pay to win" games.

AAAMEOW

I guess that's shooter cheats since they reference overwatch and pugb.  For mmorpg, the cheats would be bots.

Consider mmorpg isn't as popular as shooters... probably only games like wow would have subscription cheats like that.  

TwistedSister77

Install these 3rd party cheats at your peril... they are filled with malware/viruses.  

Ungood

When people talk with me about cheaters, this is the reality. People are paying to cheat at a game, so, anything a game company does to humiliate them, purge them, and embarrass them, I support.

Iselin

Reamde ... it's happening

(Good book, BTW)

Iselin

Ungood said:

When people talk with me about cheaters, this is the reality. People are paying to cheat at a game, so, anything a game company does to humiliate them, purge them, and embarrass them, I support.

How far away is that from paying to advance faster or just buy a leveled up character directly from the cash shop, paying so your crafting attempts have a better chance or all the hundreds of other small and large advantages you can purchase?

It wasn't that long ago that you went to 3rd party gold sellers to buy fully leveled characters or buy gold and that also was considered cheating. But now that WOW and others sell high level characters and sub tokens you can sell in game for gold is that no longer cheating and those players shouldn't be branded? Seems inconsistent unless you also show the same level of disgust for what is now called "whales."

This has a lot more to do with not letting 3rd parties make a profit from your IP than any feelings they may have about preserving the integrity of their games. It's just better PR when you can spin it to be all about game integrity.

You may give a shit about the integrity of the game you play but I'm not so sure Tencent does any more than doing just enough sell their game as having integrity.

Ungood

Iselin said:

Ungood said:

When people talk with me about cheaters, this is the reality. People are paying to cheat at a game, so, anything a game company does to humiliate them, purge them, and embarrass them, I support.

How far away is that from paying to advance faster or just buy a leveled up character directly from the cash shop, paying so your crafting attempts have a better chance or all the hundreds of other small and large advantages you can purchase?

It wasn't that long ago that you went to 3rd party gold sellers to buy fully leveled characters or buy gold and that also was considered cheating. But now that WOW and others sell high level characters and sub tokens you can sell in game for gold is that no longer cheating and those players shouldn't be branded? Seems inconsistent unless you also show the same level of disgust for what is now called "whales."

This has a lot more to do with not letting 3rd parties make a profit from your IP than any feelings they may have about preserving the integrity of their games. It's just better PR when you can spin it to be all about game integrity.

You may give a shit about the integrity of the game you play but I'm not so sure Tencent does any more than doing just enough sell their game as having integrity.

Yah.

It is all about supporting the game. Absolutely, 100%.

And I support that, 100%. Screw anyone that is going to pay some 3rd party hackers to beat a game they often refuse to spend money on. Screw that whole system.

In case you were wondering where I stand on that one.

The core point is:

Bypassing what the Developers set .. is cheating.

Playing by what the Developers Set.. is not.

Case in point, using 3rd party services to get levels and gold in a manner that is not the way the Developers designed the game to be played, is cheating. Buying or using services provided directly by the Developer is Not.

Lets use an Example:

Some cheaters go to a 3rd party site to get an Aim Bot, basically turning a Action Combat game into a tab target game. This is pure and simple cheating. We all get this.. flat out bare faced cheating.

At the same time:

If the Developer opted to put in Tab Targeting, or Assisted Targeting into their game, this is not cheating, it is how the game is made.

It's that simple.

If you do not like the game the developer made, you have many options to play other games made in a way you like.

What makes no sense at all, is playing a game that you do not like the existing mechanics, and then spending money at 3rd party services to bypass playing the game as the developers intended. That is just beyond moronic at it's core.

As such, anything a Developer does, to expose the stupidity of doing something like that, I fully support.

Even if that means, they say something like "Fuck it, we got blokes blowing 200 a month just to cheat our game, the assholes, so fuck it mate, we are selling Aim Bots for 50 bucks a Pop"

Iselin

Ungood said:

As such, anything a Developer does, to expose the stupidity of doing something like that, I fully support.

Even if that means, they say something like "Fuck it, we got blokes blowing 200 a month just to cheat our game, the assholes, so fuck it mate, we are selling Aim Bots for 50 bucks a Pop"

Yeah well my feelings about paying to get an advantage are not as flexible as yours. I don't really give a shit if he buys the aimbot from a 3rd party or the developer, he's a fucking cheating scum in either case.

Ungood

Iselin said:

Ungood said:

As such, anything a Developer does, to expose the stupidity of doing something like that, I fully support.

Even if that means, they say something like "Fuck it, we got blokes blowing 200 a month just to cheat our game, the assholes, so fuck it mate, we are selling Aim Bots for 50 bucks a Pop"

Yeah well my feelings about paying to get an advantage are not as flexible as yours. I don't really give a shit if he buys the aimbot from a 3rd party or the developer, he's a fucking cheating scum in either case.

Now see that is where we diverge.

If they get it from a 3rd party.. it's Cheating.

If they get it from the Developer... It's P2W.  

Now you may not like either, but I hate Cheaters far more than I hate P2W, as I am of the belief that all P2W has derived from 3rd party cheaters. If people were not willing to spend money to cheat a game just to win, there would be no P2W, as such I will always have zero sympathy for anything that a Developer does to humiliate these cheaters, to drive them away from their game.

Iselin

Ungood said:

...I am of the belief that all P2W has derived from 3rd party cheaters. If people were not willing to spend money to cheat a game just to win, there would be no P2W...

You're right about that.

Vrika

Ungood said:

Iselin said:

Ungood said:

When people talk with me about cheaters, this is the reality. People are paying to cheat at a game, so, anything a game company does to humiliate them, purge them, and embarrass them, I support.

How far away is that from paying to advance faster or just buy a leveled up character directly from the cash shop, paying so your crafting attempts have a better chance or all the hundreds of other small and large advantages you can purchase?

It wasn't that long ago that you went to 3rd party gold sellers to buy fully leveled characters or buy gold and that also was considered cheating. But now that WOW and others sell high level characters and sub tokens you can sell in game for gold is that no longer cheating and those players shouldn't be branded? Seems inconsistent unless you also show the same level of disgust for what is now called "whales."

This has a lot more to do with not letting 3rd parties make a profit from your IP than any feelings they may have about preserving the integrity of their games. It's just better PR when you can spin it to be all about game integrity.

You may give a shit about the integrity of the game you play but I'm not so sure Tencent does any more than doing just enough sell their game as having integrity.

Yah.

It is all about supporting the game. Absolutely, 100%.

And I support that, 100%. Screw anyone that is going to pay some 3rd party hackers to beat a game they often refuse to spend money on. Screw that whole system.

In case you were wondering where I stand on that one.

The core point is:

Bypassing what the Developers set .. is cheating.

Playing by what the Developers Set.. is not.

Sometimes even by playing what the devs set is cheating. For example if casino owner rigs the roulette table it's cheating.

Usually the line is drawn so that bypassing what the devs set is cheating while using what the devs set is not. But it's still a question of where we draw the line.

Wargfoot

I think the distinction between developer created cheats and 3rd party created cheats is important, but not really where I draw the line.

I draw the line at stupid.

That seems to cover both of them nicely.

Rungar

What bothers me the most is that the cheating is so rampant (and thus lucrative) its really sad to see that the world no longer has any moral fibre or honor left. Any means necessary is what many seem to live by.  

Wargfoot

Rungar said:

What bothers me the most is that the cheating is so rampant (and thus lucrative) its really sad to see that the world no longer has any moral fibre or honor left. Any means necessary is what many seem to live by.  

In many games you can just play with your friends.
That way, at the very least, you can punch 'em in the arm when they cheat.

Ungood

Rungar said:

What bothers me the most is that the cheating is so rampant (and thus lucrative) its really sad to see that the world no longer has any moral fibre or honor left. Any means necessary is what many seem to live by.  

Lack or moral fiber is this.

Paying 200 a month to cheat a game that you are complain about paying 15 a month to play.

That's some bullshit right there.

AlBQuirky

Ungood said:

Rungar said:

What bothers me the most is that the cheating is so rampant (and thus lucrative) its really sad to see that the world no longer has any moral fibre or honor left. Any means necessary is what many seem to live by.  

Lack or moral fiber is this.

Paying 200 a month to cheat a game that you are complain about paying 15 a month to play.

That's some bullshit right there.

Add onto that complaining, "It's too easy!"

Well, duh... You just paid for advantages...

Ungood

AlBQuirky said:

Ungood said:

Rungar said:

What bothers me the most is that the cheating is so rampant (and thus lucrative) its really sad to see that the world no longer has any moral fibre or honor left. Any means necessary is what many seem to live by.  

Lack or moral fiber is this.

Paying 200 a month to cheat a game that you are complain about paying 15 a month to play.

That's some bullshit right there.

Add onto that complaining, "It's too easy!"

Well, duh... You just paid for advantages...

and don't forget to scream L2P at people, when all you really did was Learn2Pay