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Should sites give coverage to games like CoE and DreamWorld?

MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member EpicPosts: 3,437
edited March 21 in The Pub at MMORPG.COM
Should gaming news sites give coverage to extremely suspect games like Chronicles of Elyria and DreamWorld, the integrity of which a reasonable person would question?  Is it their responsibility to be totally impartial and report the news, or should they make a judgement call and not give publicity to these types of games, with the possibility that the publicity may result in more unsuspecting backers being taken advantage of?  Is it the sites' responsibility to include a disclaimer explaining these games' questionable past or future?  What do you guys think?
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  • PalebanePalebane Member RarePosts: 3,994
    Buyer beware.

    Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.

  • VrikaVrika Member EpicPosts: 6,797
    I think they should make judgement call and place warnings about suspect games on articles when reporting. MMORPG.com too often goes where the fence is lowest and simply publishes the material released by the devs of suspect games as their article, instead of doing some actual reporting and adding the other viewpoint the this project is shady and/or this plan is very unlikely to actually work.
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  • XodicXodic Member EpicPosts: 1,323
    edited March 21
    As with all journalism, malpractice costs credibility. I have no problem with sites covering anything they want to, but sponsoring vaporware and scams come with a cost. It's not their duty to determine what's right and wrong, their duty is to present information. That's already a huge problem today, with everyone thinking they're the sole arbiters of good and evil, and it leads to them spinning narratives instead of presenting unadulterated information.
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  • TwistedSister77TwistedSister77 Member RarePosts: 754
    edited March 21
    If they are going to cover it, do an interview... get actual full names, backgrounds, ask questions.  A repost of a random KS is not news or journalism IMO.

    If a KS is unwilling to do an interview with a major site in the genre like MMORPG.com or Massively... move along, scam.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 21,166
    edited March 21
    It's their site. They should post whatever the hell they feel like.

    Let me put it another way: Should the readers click on the articles and make 6+ pages of comments? Sites follow the clicks like gaming companies follow the money. Unpopular content doesn't get posted and readers who keep those topics floating to the top with comments and questions keep focus on those articles.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 37,532
    Absolutely they should cover such games, how else would we learn about fools and their money so easily being parted?

    ;)


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  • RobokappRobokapp Member RarePosts: 6,230
    Should gaming news sites give coverage to extremely suspect games like Chronicles of Elyria and DreamWorld,
    are they MMORPGs? 
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  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 9,156
    edited March 21
    I don't need a disclaimer to tell me what looks scammy. The articles on games in question are usually covered by other MMO sites as well. I assume MMORPG.com picks the story up with the rest of them; other times these game studios reach out to them to get featured in an article.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 23,038
    For the most part, yes, they should cover it.  A site like this needs clicks to survive, and an article that you don't post gets no clicks.

    As I see it, the real question is how they cover it.  For something like DreamWorld that looks like a blatant scam, it should be prominently pointed out early in the article that it sure looks like a probable scam.

    For something like Chronicles of Elyria, it's not an obvious failure unless you know the history, so any article that covers it should briefly recount that history.  For example:

    "Chronicles of Elyria, the crowdfunded MMORPG that ran out of money and laid off all of its developers, has announced a new roadmap of promised features.  They can't point to any sources of new funding, but are claiming to restart development after being sued by backers for shutting down without delivering a game.  Here's their new roadmap."

    And make several phrases of that links to previous articles.  That way, the site gets the clicks for covering the articles, but doesn't do a disservice to any readers by leading them to throw money at an obviously doomed project.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 29,591
    Yes they should. It's "how" they cover it which is important.

    If they just report on it then fine. If they report on it but have an editorial on how great it is then it better be just that great.

    If they say it's horrible then they need to be clear as to why.
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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 5,563
    Should gaming news sites give coverage to extremely suspect games like Chronicles of Elyria and DreamWorld, the integrity of which a reasonable person would question?  Is it their responsibility to be totally impartial and report the news, or should they make a judgement call and not give publicity to these types of games, with the possibility that the publicity may result in more unsuspecting backers being taken advantage of?  Is it the sites' responsibility to include a disclaimer explaining these games' questionable past or future?  What do you guys think?
    This is a great question.

    As a Gaming News Agency/Platform, ideally they should cover these games and what is going on as it is going on, because that is part of what they are all about, as long as their articles are not thinly veiled adverts for the games in question, and keep the reports honest about what is going on.

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,205
    There are different levels of coverage.
    Directly passing along a PR article... that's just giving free advertising


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  • Mars_OMGMars_OMG Member EpicPosts: 3,318
    no.
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 18,802
    There are many parts to the question asked,let's see if my sketchy memory can cover them all before i forget lol.

    1 Most certainly,a gaming site should cover gaming as a whole.

    2. Now here comes the gray area.WHY is the site covering said game?This is very important,you should be able to decipher the reasons and why it affects gaming without me always spelling it out.

    3 It is easy for us to judge not being in the very position of making choice decisions.Like i would love to think i could easily tell any game to take a hike but we all have a soft side and a business side.

    4 Homework,did the site do any homework at all on the game or was there an agenda in place.

    5 This part leads right back to "homework".Does the game border on illegal or lying to consumers?Another example in the same realm,posting numbers without knowing if they are actually legit numbers but just posting them because they were told.

    6 Is the article actually the sites or did it have to be accepted by the developer before posting it.Is it even the sites article or is it done by a third party like a marketing branch,a publisher or a studio rep.

    Basically you can sum it all up into two parts,is there an agenda behind the article or is it a legit article on a game the site feels should be discussed?

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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 18,802
    Palebane said:
    Buyer beware.
    People are not intelligent enough to police themselves,the brain is easily coerced if the right buttons are pushed.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 37,532
    Wizardry said:
    Palebane said:
    Buyer beware.
    People are not intelligent enough to police themselves,the brain is easily coerced if the right buttons are pushed.
    Not so much a matter of lacking intelligence, but rather one of compulsion or lack of self control.

    A gamer I met not very long ago confessed he tried a game with strong P2W monetization and dropped $8K in two weeks on his credit card which he could not afford.

    Gaming is full of stories of obsessive compulsive behaviors, but of course is only one small activity where many people have shown the inability to control themselves. 

    While it often grates our sensibilities when said, sometimes rules / regulations need to be put in place to protect people from harming themselves (or others) for the good of society as a whole.









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  • ShaighShaigh Member EpicPosts: 2,093
    Press releases are not news, its more of someone's opinion, if you reprint said opinion you aren't impartial because now its under your name that opinion is posted.

    The cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 23,038
    Shaigh said:
    Press releases are not news, its more of someone's opinion, if you reprint said opinion you aren't impartial because now its under your name that opinion is posted.
    Sometimes press releases can be news.  This game is launching on this day with this business model.  That hardware is launching on that day with those specs.  And so forth.

    Good PR people often write up press releases in the style of a news story.  The goal is to tempt lazy reporters to just post it as is rather than rewriting it.  If you've got something newsworthy to announce, a good press release can often be mostly factual with a fairly positive spin, but not such an overwhelming bias as to make reporters embarrassed to just post it without modification.
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  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 9,156
    I remember the good old days when this site actually did call out developers, back when Jon "Stradden" Wood was the managing editor here.

    Right, but he also didn't like posters continually bad mouthing certain games here either, hence why they made a forum for SWG vets separate from the main forum.
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  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 1,677
    Limiting coverage due to suspicion alone is somewhat like presuming guilt until innocence is proven. I don't think that's a stance any media should adopt in what is at least a comparatively free society.
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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 4,398
    You get the behavior you reward.




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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 7,841
    edited March 21
    What, are the readers here so fragile and clueless that they cannot discern for themselves what games they should be supporting. It is news and the site will report on it. They will just lay out what they know and it is up to us as readers to eschew the games we don't wish to support.

    Do you think that sanitizing the news is this site's job? Their job is to simply report and if they want to include their opinion  they may but that is optional.

    The main reason the threads on the news get so much attention is because you all cannot stay quiet and leave the damn report alone. Everyone must have a go and the views and posts accumulate and the piece of news that could have been buried will stay on top. It begs the question why do you all have to continuously bump those threads.
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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 4,398
    Quizzical said:
    Shaigh said:
    Press releases are not news, its more of someone's opinion, if you reprint said opinion you aren't impartial because now its under your name that opinion is posted.
    Sometimes press releases can be news.  This game is launching on this day with this business model.  That hardware is launching on that day with those specs.  And so forth.

    Good PR people often write up press releases in the style of a news story.  The goal is to tempt lazy reporters to just post it as is rather than rewriting it.  If you've got something newsworthy to announce, a good press release can often be mostly factual with a fairly positive spin, but not such an overwhelming bias as to make reporters embarrassed to just post it without modification.

    A *better* news story is "Game A launched this week" (past tense).  Who really believes "will launch" anymore?

    What we are seeing is industry-wide mix of creative publicity and slipshod journalism, a dangerous combination at the best of times.



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  • StizzledStizzled Member RarePosts: 2,092
    I don't think the situations with each game is in any way similar. CoE, I believe, started out as a legitimate project and became a scam as the team realized their vision was simply impossible due to their own lacking abilities.

    DreamWorld is undoubtedly a scam through and through. These guys will disappear with whatever money and we'll never hear about it again. It won't be too long before they're back with another crowdfunding scam, probably on a different funding site and probably not a video game. This is what they do.

    Should something like CoE be covered? Sure, at least I'd like to be kept up to date on the legal proceedings.

    Should DreamWorld have been covered? Absolutely not. There was no reason to let the larger gaming community know about it. Any moron could look at the kickstarter and tell exactly what it was. It's not about trying to save people from themselves, it's about looking at something so stupid and fake and knowing it isn't news worthy. 

    There's a place for these kickscammers to get all the publicity they deserve. It's on YouTube from channels like Slope's Game Room and KiraTV where they get shown for exactly what they are.
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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 5,563
    edited March 21
    Kyleran said:
    Wizardry said:
    Palebane said:
    Buyer beware.
    People are not intelligent enough to police themselves,the brain is easily coerced if the right buttons are pushed.
    Not so much a matter of lacking intelligence, but rather one of compulsion or lack of self control.

    A gamer I met not very long ago confessed he tried a game with strong P2W monetization and dropped $8K in two weeks on his credit card which he could not afford.

    Gaming is full of stories of obsessive compulsive behaviors, but of course is only one small activity where many people have shown the inability to control themselves. 

    While it often grates our sensibilities when said, sometimes rules / regulations need to be put in place to protect people from harming themselves (or others) for the good of society as a whole.
    It's actually a combination of a dunning kruger effect and not wanting to be held responsible for their own stupidity.

    I believe the quote I enjoy the most in situations like this is:

    "It's easier to fool someone, then convince them they have been fooled"
    -Attributed to Mark Twain.

    Couple that with

    "A fool and their money are easily parted"
    -Thomas Tusser

    and toss in "a Sucker Born every Minuit" for good measure.
    -P.T. Barnum.

    and it really paints a painful picture of what really is really going down.
    Gdemami
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