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  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 4,977
    iixviiiix said:
    When we talk about diablo 2 , we talk about mods , but i doubt they will allow us to mod new game easy like original
    Also I hope they don't add the BS ToS like war3 RE.

    on twitter they say it supports mods.

    They are using the same exact logic code for everything.  They've just added a 3D wrapper around the rendering.  While I'm sure this was still quite challenging, it makes a lot of things easier in terms of mods or simply in having the game feel the same.
    iixviiiixultimateduck
  • Veexer_NuiVeexer_Nui Member UncommonPosts: 210
    As excited as I am for this, blizzard made a huge mistake. The 10 minute D4 gameplay video looks like complete trash compared to the D2:R gameplay. D4 had no ambient lightning, no spell lighting or shadows, a level 40 item with +450 stat points?!? 3 Monsters at a time...

    Every single Diablo streamer says the same thing, D2:R completely overshadows D4. Unless drastic changes are made it will be a disaster. And don't say 'd4 is still being developed' this is the 4th iteration, (3 years development with multiple user feedback), whereas the D2:R was done in a single year. (and is also 'in technical alpha')
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  • remsleepremsleep Member EpicPosts: 1,955
    edited February 22
    As excited as I am for this, blizzard made a huge mistake. The 10 minute D4 gameplay video looks like complete trash compared to the D2:R gameplay. D4 had no ambient lightning, no spell lighting or shadows, a level 40 item with +450 stat points?!? 3 Monsters at a time...

    Every single Diablo streamer says the same thing, D2:R completely overshadows D4. Unless drastic changes are made it will be a disaster. And don't say 'd4 is still being developed' this is the 4th iteration, (3 years development with multiple user feedback), whereas the D2:R was done in a single year. (and is also 'in technical alpha')


    Well lets see how D4 actually turns out.

    Blizzards biggest problem is that many key people that made D1 and D2 are long gone - the culture at Blizzard today to what it was at Blizzard North is night and day difference.

    And games being a creative process - unless you have that magic sort of culture and environment that devs thrive to create some cool games like Blizzard did with D1 and D2 - it's just really hard to match that today.

    I don't think Blizzard is capable of capturing the magic they've once had - they are a completely different company, different culture, different teams - so I think D4 is going to be another generic ho-hum type of game that is a result of a large corporate-environment studio, probably polished and smooth but lacking soul and depth, lacking all the cool atmosphere that D1 and D2 had in actual gameplay.


    D2 - is literally a game from a different Blizzard era, different studio that still had vision and passion, not the cold corporate shell they are today
    Gdemami
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,406
    I think someone's comment somewhere in a youtube video said it best "Who knew the D3 we always wanted was D2 Resurrected."

    But in all seriousness, I'm even crossing my toes at this point in hopes this is good given this was back in my early days of gaming and spent years on it at its peak. I know the tony hawk team is working on it but I hope they dont get lax. We've seen even CDPR tumble with Cyberpunk 2077 and they were the industry darlings.
    Gdemami
  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 4,977
    As excited as I am for this, blizzard made a huge mistake. The 10 minute D4 gameplay video looks like complete trash compared to the D2:R gameplay. D4 had no ambient lightning, no spell lighting or shadows, a level 40 item with +450 stat points?!? 3 Monsters at a time...

    Every single Diablo streamer says the same thing, D2:R completely overshadows D4. Unless drastic changes are made it will be a disaster. And don't say 'd4 is still being developed' this is the 4th iteration, (3 years development with multiple user feedback), whereas the D2:R was done in a single year. (and is also 'in technical alpha')
    While I agree, I'm hoping D4 has at least two more Blizzcons before release.  So there is certainly room for improvement.  But they'll also have to compete with POE2.

    D3 is going to take another big hit when D2R releases.  I honestly don't understand why some streamers have stuck with D3.
  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 380
    As excited as I am for this, blizzard made a huge mistake. The 10 minute D4 gameplay video looks like complete trash compared to the D2:R gameplay. D4 had no ambient lightning, no spell lighting or shadows, a level 40 item with +450 stat points?!? 3 Monsters at a time...

    Every single Diablo streamer says the same thing, D2:R completely overshadows D4. Unless drastic changes are made it will be a disaster. And don't say 'd4 is still being developed' this is the 4th iteration, (3 years development with multiple user feedback), whereas the D2:R was done in a single year. (and is also 'in technical alpha')
    While I agree, I'm hoping D4 has at least two more Blizzcons before release.  So there is certainly room for improvement.  But they'll also have to compete with POE2.

    D3 is going to take another big hit when D2R releases.  I honestly don't understand why some streamers have stuck with D3.
    D3 is such a misfire, innit?
  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 6,380
    edited February 22
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/lpa5b5/orb_huggers_d2_d2r_comparison/

    rDiablo - Orb Huggers D2  D2R Comparison

    Lovely ain't it cannot wait for this. I am practically already in huge hype mode. I am more excited about this than about D4. Since they are also doing the cosmetic currency thing I think I will skip it altogether.
    remsleeprojoArcueidGorweultimateduckcheyane

  • remsleepremsleep Member EpicPosts: 1,955
    edited February 22
    Gorwe said:
    As excited as I am for this, blizzard made a huge mistake. The 10 minute D4 gameplay video looks like complete trash compared to the D2:R gameplay. D4 had no ambient lightning, no spell lighting or shadows, a level 40 item with +450 stat points?!? 3 Monsters at a time...

    Every single Diablo streamer says the same thing, D2:R completely overshadows D4. Unless drastic changes are made it will be a disaster. And don't say 'd4 is still being developed' this is the 4th iteration, (3 years development with multiple user feedback), whereas the D2:R was done in a single year. (and is also 'in technical alpha')
    While I agree, I'm hoping D4 has at least two more Blizzcons before release.  So there is certainly room for improvement.  But they'll also have to compete with POE2.

    D3 is going to take another big hit when D2R releases.  I honestly don't understand why some streamers have stuck with D3.
    D3 is such a misfire, innit?
    For me - massive failure. 

    The game has been out for 9 years almost and only had a single expansion???

    One more class added?

    Like wtf kind of bullshit is that - that only happens to massive failure games, and D3 sold well enough for them to do at least 3 expansions easy.

    Its inexcusable 
    Gdemami
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,406
    remsleep said:
    Gorwe said:
    As excited as I am for this, blizzard made a huge mistake. The 10 minute D4 gameplay video looks like complete trash compared to the D2:R gameplay. D4 had no ambient lightning, no spell lighting or shadows, a level 40 item with +450 stat points?!? 3 Monsters at a time...

    Every single Diablo streamer says the same thing, D2:R completely overshadows D4. Unless drastic changes are made it will be a disaster. And don't say 'd4 is still being developed' this is the 4th iteration, (3 years development with multiple user feedback), whereas the D2:R was done in a single year. (and is also 'in technical alpha')
    While I agree, I'm hoping D4 has at least two more Blizzcons before release.  So there is certainly room for improvement.  But they'll also have to compete with POE2.

    D3 is going to take another big hit when D2R releases.  I honestly don't understand why some streamers have stuck with D3.
    D3 is such a misfire, innit?
    For me - massive failure. 

    The game has been out for 9 years almost and only had a single expansion???

    One more class added?

    Like wtf kind of bullshit is that - that only happens to massive failure games, and D3 sold well enough for them to do at least 3 expansions easy.

    Its inexcusable 

    Honestly, D3 was always a redflag for me when they didn't add necro at the start. While its still 'functional' in the pretext of D3 (given how they choice to deal with skills in that game), why this wasn't added at the start is still beyond me.....if D4 doesn't have necro at the start, its gonna be a hard pass for me until they add it.
    Gdemami
  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 4,977
    Gorwe said:
    As excited as I am for this, blizzard made a huge mistake. The 10 minute D4 gameplay video looks like complete trash compared to the D2:R gameplay. D4 had no ambient lightning, no spell lighting or shadows, a level 40 item with +450 stat points?!? 3 Monsters at a time...

    Every single Diablo streamer says the same thing, D2:R completely overshadows D4. Unless drastic changes are made it will be a disaster. And don't say 'd4 is still being developed' this is the 4th iteration, (3 years development with multiple user feedback), whereas the D2:R was done in a single year. (and is also 'in technical alpha')
    While I agree, I'm hoping D4 has at least two more Blizzcons before release.  So there is certainly room for improvement.  But they'll also have to compete with POE2.

    D3 is going to take another big hit when D2R releases.  I honestly don't understand why some streamers have stuck with D3.
    D3 is such a misfire, innit?
    If they got a second expansion that removed the crappy itemization and focus on just sets then they maybe could of had something.  Assuming they totally revamped endgame as well.

    D4 gives me worries as while they aren't depending on sets, they are leaning much more towards the simplicity of D3 than I want.  There is literally nothing to get excited about with D4.  The most I can say is that I'm not completely pessimistic.  They are wasting their time with PVP and I hope they don't balance classes based on PVP as that will kill the game.
    Gdemami
  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 4,977
    kitarad said:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/lpa5b5/orb_huggers_d2_d2r_comparison/

    rDiablo - Orb Huggers D2  D2R Comparison

    Lovely ain't it cannot wait for this. I am practically already in huge hype mode. I am more excited about this than about D4. Since they are also doing the cosmetic currency thing I think I will skip it altogether.
    graphics, and the fact that POE and other competent ARPGs exists, are the reason why I haven't played much D2 in a decade.

    I'm curious how I will feel about the original combat when it releases.  It's almost certainly a day one buy for me but I'm not sure how well it's truly aged for me. 
    TorvalGorwe
  • remsleepremsleep Member EpicPosts: 1,955
    kitarad said:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/lpa5b5/orb_huggers_d2_d2r_comparison/

    rDiablo - Orb Huggers D2  D2R Comparison

    Lovely ain't it cannot wait for this. I am practically already in huge hype mode. I am more excited about this than about D4. Since they are also doing the cosmetic currency thing I think I will skip it altogether.
    graphics, and the fact that POE and other competent ARPGs exists, are the reason why I haven't played much D2 in a decade.

    I'm curious how I will feel about the original combat when it releases.  It's almost certainly a day one buy for me but I'm not sure how well it's truly aged for me. 

    For me it was graphics 100% - D2 is completely unplayeble for me due to graphics.
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar Member RarePosts: 1,609
    Wow, old Diablo 2's graphics are much uglier than I remembered.  I didn't remember it being THAT pixelated.  Yipe.
  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 9,071
    Wow, old Diablo 2's graphics are much uglier than I remembered.  I didn't remember it being THAT pixelated.  Yipe.

    It's crazy because this graphics update is how I remember it looking.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 20,853
    Tiller said:
    Wow, old Diablo 2's graphics are much uglier than I remembered.  I didn't remember it being THAT pixelated.  Yipe.

    It's crazy because this graphics update is how I remember it looking.

    Sometimes I'll fire up a really old game like one of the SSI Gold Box D&D series or Betrayal at Krondor and I'll be like, "Whoa! I've really become normalized to modern graphics, cuz that stuff is lookin a bit rough." :D
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  • coretex666coretex666 Member EpicPosts: 3,937
    I still play some games from the 90s and I like the way they look. 
  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 380
    There are some further images of characters over here on PC Gamer: https://www.pcgamer.com/diablo-2-resurrected-release-date-alpha-changes/ . As well as other useful things. Here are my impressions:

    Amazon: n / a. From what I saw in the character select, looks too manly and entirely not like Cassia / D2 Amazon.

    Assassin: lol, try again. She was NOT an Asian(iirc, she even comes from Westmarch or so), other parts look fine.

    Barbarian: n / a. Otherwise looks rather unimposing next to its D2 version.

    Druid: Looks much better than on the character select. It's just...this is not the D2 Druid, but rather a Druid. The difference an article makes, huh.

    Paladin: No. Just no. He was simply tanned, most likely inspired by Italy, Spain etc. He wasn't a "Moses Kipchong", not at all. Looks completely wrong.

    Necro: Just fine, it's one of the best translated characters imo.

    Sorceress: Yeah, that's Isendra, pretty much. A very truthful recreation, I'd just add a hint of Red to the Hair, so it looks a bit more Brown. But it's not needed.

    Overall: They need to polish those heads and faces. Some kinda work(Druid, Barb), some don't work at all(Sin, Pala, Zon), yet some are very nice and truthful to those characters(Sorc, Necro). There is a lot of work to be done here. Also, a Transmog system of sorts would be nice.

    (also, what's up with recommended specs, they look awfully high)
    FrodoFragins
  • ultimateduckultimateduck Member RarePosts: 793
    I've already pre-ordered it. I played Path of Diablo up until about a month ago, bad graphics and all... the entire time wishing they made D2 with D3 graphics. Now they are and I will play it.

  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 380
    I've already pre-ordered it. I played Path of Diablo up until about a month ago, bad graphics and all... the entire time wishing they made D2 with D3 graphics. Now they are and I will play it.

    Will you have Path, Median and the others? Sure hope so, but we'll be regressing back to vanilla LoD, which might very well be too big of a shock / hurdle for some(most?). At least for few months at the very least.
  • ultimateduckultimateduck Member RarePosts: 793
    Gorwe said:
    I've already pre-ordered it. I played Path of Diablo up until about a month ago, bad graphics and all... the entire time wishing they made D2 with D3 graphics. Now they are and I will play it.

    Will you have Path, Median and the others? Sure hope so, but we'll be regressing back to vanilla LoD, which might very well be too big of a shock / hurdle for some(most?). At least for few months at the very least.

    Path of Diablo is Diablo 2 with a few non-gameplay quality of life upgrades. From what I understand, Diablo 2 Remastered is exactly the same as Diablo 2 in every way, only with Path of Diablo style quality of life upgrades, which keeps the game true to its original feel.

    cheyane
  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 380
    Gorwe said:
    I've already pre-ordered it. I played Path of Diablo up until about a month ago, bad graphics and all... the entire time wishing they made D2 with D3 graphics. Now they are and I will play it.

    Will you have Path, Median and the others? Sure hope so, but we'll be regressing back to vanilla LoD, which might very well be too big of a shock / hurdle for some(most?). At least for few months at the very least.

    Path of Diablo is Diablo 2 with a few non-gameplay quality of life upgrades. From what I understand, Diablo 2 Remastered is exactly the same as Diablo 2 in every way, only with Path of Diablo style quality of life upgrades, which keeps the game true to its original feel.

    What about Median and others? What I am trying to say is that people shouldn't get carried away, D2 gameplay is archaic and make no mistake.
  • FairUnfairFairUnfair Newbie CommonPosts: 1
    graphics are literally undesirable. by the way, have you tried this game.
  • kilunkilun Member UncommonPosts: 792
    remsleep said:
    As excited as I am for this, blizzard made a huge mistake. The 10 minute D4 gameplay video looks like complete trash compared to the D2:R gameplay. D4 had no ambient lightning, no spell lighting or shadows, a level 40 item with +450 stat points?!? 3 Monsters at a time...

    Every single Diablo streamer says the same thing, D2:R completely overshadows D4. Unless drastic changes are made it will be a disaster. And don't say 'd4 is still being developed' this is the 4th iteration, (3 years development with multiple user feedback), whereas the D2:R was done in a single year. (and is also 'in technical alpha')


    Well lets see how D4 actually turns out.

    Blizzards biggest problem is that many key people that made D1 and D2 are long gone - the culture at Blizzard today to what it was at Blizzard North is night and day difference.

    And games being a creative process - unless you have that magic sort of culture and environment that devs thrive to create some cool games like Blizzard did with D1 and D2 - it's just really hard to match that today.

    I don't think Blizzard is capable of capturing the magic they've once had - they are a completely different company, different culture, different teams - so I think D4 is going to be another generic ho-hum type of game that is a result of a large corporate-environment studio, probably polished and smooth but lacking soul and depth, lacking all the cool atmosphere that D1 and D2 had in actual gameplay.


    D2 - is literally a game from a different Blizzard era, different studio that still had vision and passion, not the cold corporate shell they are today
    Literally, you keep the same type of gameplay, updated graphics, new storyline, skills, and items.  

    Someone mentioned how in D2 an item comparison tool doesn't work because of the complexities, yet when talking about D4, they are going to have one.  Why?  Because they don't want complexities.  The talk about how cool it will be to have 8 player co-op with mercenaries, but aren't going to include it in D4?  What gives.

    They want to focus on you getting to level 60 (assumed max) and then gear up.  They want it to not be about the journey and the endgame.

    The biggest reason I play D2 is because the way the game is laid out makes it good to run tournaments with restrictions in.  D3 it is not possible because their aren't "base items, or really a purpose to complete a character to Guardian/Mat/Pat, because it doesn't exist.
  • ultimateduckultimateduck Member RarePosts: 793
    Gorwe said:
    Gorwe said:
    I've already pre-ordered it. I played Path of Diablo up until about a month ago, bad graphics and all... the entire time wishing they made D2 with D3 graphics. Now they are and I will play it.

    Will you have Path, Median and the others? Sure hope so, but we'll be regressing back to vanilla LoD, which might very well be too big of a shock / hurdle for some(most?). At least for few months at the very least.

    Path of Diablo is Diablo 2 with a few non-gameplay quality of life upgrades. From what I understand, Diablo 2 Remastered is exactly the same as Diablo 2 in every way, only with Path of Diablo style quality of life upgrades, which keeps the game true to its original feel.

    What about Median and others? What I am trying to say is that people shouldn't get carried away, D2 gameplay is archaic and make no mistake.

    D2 gameplay is still good. Quite a few people still play it on the original Bnet servers not to mention private setups like Path of Diablo. The biggest problem with Diablo 2 is the insanely dated graphics... which is no longer going to be an issue.
    Gorwe
  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 380
    Gorwe said:
    Gorwe said:
    I've already pre-ordered it. I played Path of Diablo up until about a month ago, bad graphics and all... the entire time wishing they made D2 with D3 graphics. Now they are and I will play it.

    Will you have Path, Median and the others? Sure hope so, but we'll be regressing back to vanilla LoD, which might very well be too big of a shock / hurdle for some(most?). At least for few months at the very least.

    Path of Diablo is Diablo 2 with a few non-gameplay quality of life upgrades. From what I understand, Diablo 2 Remastered is exactly the same as Diablo 2 in every way, only with Path of Diablo style quality of life upgrades, which keeps the game true to its original feel.

    What about Median and others? What I am trying to say is that people shouldn't get carried away, D2 gameplay is archaic and make no mistake.

    D2 gameplay is still good. Quite a few people still play it on the original Bnet servers not to mention private setups like Path of Diablo. The biggest problem with Diablo 2 is the insanely dated graphics... which is no longer going to be an issue.
    It just won't be the same to me. Pantas Rhei if you ask me. Even without that, I never fully liked how D2 played. After Median, Torchlight, PoE, Dark Souls, Nioh etc? It just...pantas rhei, what can I say?
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