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Diablo IV Receiving Rogue Class | MMORPG.com

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edited February 19 in News & Features Discussion

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Diablo IV is receiving a new class, The Rogue. Here are some initial details from BlizzConline.

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,831
    But can I play this on my phone?

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  • remsleepremsleep Member EpicPosts: 1,967
    edited February 19


    But can I play this on my phone?



    Diablo Immortal is -> way

    I am assuming the rough/janky animations are due to super early alpha footage. They need to work on that - the animations look like they are 10 years old already - running, that jump, horse running - it's all just pretty rough
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 6,450
    I hope the full release won't be gender locked. That would be a serious step down from Diablo 3.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,831

    remsleep said:





    But can I play this on my phone?






    Diablo Immortal is -> way




    I am assuming the rough/janky animations are due to super early alpha footage. They need to work on that - the animations look like they are 10 years old already - running, that jump, horse running - it's all just pretty rough



    I know that... obviously DI will run on a phone.

    My question, based on what I saw.. is whether THIS game will run on my phone.

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  • Mr.GutsyMr.Gutsy Member UncommonPosts: 62




    remsleep said:








    But can I play this on my phone?









    Diablo Immortal is -> way







    I am assuming the rough/janky animations are due to super early alpha footage. They need to work on that - the animations look like they are 10 years old already - running, that jump, horse running - it's all just pretty rough






    I know that... obviously DI will run on a phone.



    My question, based on what I saw.. is whether THIS game will run on my phone.




    If you plug your phone into your RTX gpu then...... yeah, you can.
  • GroqstrongGroqstrong Member RarePosts: 577
    Cutscene so good thought it was CGI but really was the ingame engine.
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  • remsleepremsleep Member EpicPosts: 1,967
    edited February 20
    The dark and grim theme they were originally promising seems pretty much gone. The gameplay seems a lot more colorful and more like D3 than previous ones they've shown.
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  • redcoreredcore Member UncommonPosts: 103
    wow..that was boring. just another d3.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 15,111
    remsleep said:
    The dark and grim theme they were originally promising seems pretty much gone. The gameplay seems a lot more colorful and more like D3 than previous ones they've shown.
    Right.. 'cause nothing says bright and sunny more than hanging human ears from hooks inside the church cupboard lol.
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  • remsleepremsleep Member EpicPosts: 1,967
    edited February 20

    Iselin said:


    remsleep said:

    The dark and grim theme they were originally promising seems pretty much gone.

    The gameplay seems a lot more colorful and more like D3 than previous ones they've shown.


    Right.. 'cause nothing says bright and sunny more than hanging human ears from hooks inside the church cupboard lol.



    I did clearly say gameplay not cutscene didn't I?

    Also human ears when severed don't look anything like those in the cutscene, they got that laughably wrong, they made it look much less gruesome and PG
  • ashiru_1978ashiru_1978 Member UncommonPosts: 107

    redcore said:

    wow..that was boring. just another d3.



    Looks even worse than D3 and Diablo 3 was the worst Diablo game ever. Only Diablo 4 and Diablo Immortal can be worse than Diablo 3.

    The fact that they are again making Diablo 4 online-only so you can't even play it if you have no internet connection even though you bought the game and just want to play Single Player and never associate with anybody else shows how greedy and insecure they are. They are doing it only because they don't want people to pirate their game, well the irony is that there is already at least one private Diablo 3 server.

    They should have at least created two versions of Diablo 4:

    - Diablo 4 Online
    - Diablo 4 Offline

    and sell each one separately, people would still buy each one. I would have bought Diablo 4 Offline to play by myself. But considering how greedy Activision B are, they don't deserve my money. The sad part is Diablo 4 is going to be a complete mediocre garbage and the fanboys will fund Activision B's lazy and incompetent ways even further so they can continue to produce more and more mediocre trash.
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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 4,127

    redcore said:

    wow..that was boring. just another d3.



    Looks even worse than D3 and Diablo 3 was the worst Diablo game ever. Only Diablo 4 and Diablo Immortal can be worse than Diablo 3.

    The fact that they are again making Diablo 4 online-only so you can't even play it if you have no internet connection even though you bought the game and just want to play Single Player and never associate with anybody else shows how greedy and insecure they are. They are doing it only because they don't want people to pirate their game, well the irony is that there is already at least one private Diablo 3 server.

    They should have at least created two versions of Diablo 4:

    - Diablo 4 Online
    - Diablo 4 Offline

    and sell each one separately, people would still buy each one. I would have bought Diablo 4 Offline to play by myself. But considering how greedy Activision B are, they don't deserve my money. The sad part is Diablo 4 is going to be a complete mediocre garbage and the fanboys will fund Activision B's lazy and incompetent ways even further so they can continue to produce more and more mediocre trash.
    Or, it turns out to be a great game and people will hate it regardless because its a popular brand. And hating those makes you edgy and cool.

    /Cheers,
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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 7,688
     ashiru_1978 said:

    redcore said:

    wow..that was boring. just another d3.



    Looks even worse than D3 and Diablo 3 was the worst Diablo game ever. Only Diablo 4 and Diablo Immortal can be worse than Diablo 3.

    The fact that they are again making Diablo 4 online-only so you can't even play it if you have no internet connection even though you bought the game and just want to play Single Player and never associate with anybody else shows how greedy and insecure they are. They are doing it only because they don't want people to pirate their game, well the irony is that there is already at least one private Diablo 3 server.

    They should have at least created two versions of Diablo 4:

    - Diablo 4 Online
    - Diablo 4 Offline

    and sell each one separately, people would still buy each one. I would have bought Diablo 4 Offline to play by myself. But considering how greedy Activision B are, they don't deserve my money. The sad part is Diablo 4 is going to be a complete mediocre garbage and the fanboys will fund Activision B's lazy and incompetent ways even further so they can continue to produce more and more mediocre trash.
    I personally find Path of Exile better than Diablo 3 but I also know that a lot of players play Diablo 3. If a company can make players enjoy their game enough and make a lot of money off it I don't see what exactly they are doing wrong. They seem to be catering to their market that just does not include you though.

    I get that as an individual a person may dislike a game or franchise and the direction it takes but if the game company is continuing to satisfy their core base the ones who actually buy their games why should they concern themselves with the people who don't buy their games.

    I feel that we have reached a point where the way we want games to be isn't what the games are like. Games have changed a lot and game companies are doing things that are making many older gamers like me decide not to purchase the game. In the end though I am the one who decided I didn't want to play the game. 

    So now I don't do that any more because I want to learn to like new things even if they are outside my comfort zone. Sometimes this ends in a spectacular failure but at least I am not making snap judgements without actually experiencing the game.
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  • remsleepremsleep Member EpicPosts: 1,967
    edited February 20
    cheyane said:
     ashiru_1978 said:

    redcore said:

    wow..that was boring. just another d3.



    Looks even worse than D3 and Diablo 3 was the worst Diablo game ever. Only Diablo 4 and Diablo Immortal can be worse than Diablo 3.

    The fact that they are again making Diablo 4 online-only so you can't even play it if you have no internet connection even though you bought the game and just want to play Single Player and never associate with anybody else shows how greedy and insecure they are. They are doing it only because they don't want people to pirate their game, well the irony is that there is already at least one private Diablo 3 server.

    They should have at least created two versions of Diablo 4:

    - Diablo 4 Online
    - Diablo 4 Offline

    and sell each one separately, people would still buy each one. I would have bought Diablo 4 Offline to play by myself. But considering how greedy Activision B are, they don't deserve my money. The sad part is Diablo 4 is going to be a complete mediocre garbage and the fanboys will fund Activision B's lazy and incompetent ways even further so they can continue to produce more and more mediocre trash.
    I personally find Path of Exile better than Diablo 3 but I also know that a lot of players play Diablo 3. If a company can make players enjoy their game enough and make a lot of money off it I don't see what exactly they are doing wrong. They seem to be catering to their market that just does not include you though.

    I get that as an individual a person may dislike a game or franchise and the direction it takes but if the game company is continuing to satisfy their core base the ones who actually buy their games why should they concern themselves with the people who don't buy their games.

    I feel that we have reached a point where the way we want games to be isn't what the games are like. Games have changed a lot and game companies are doing things that are making many older gamers like me decide not to purchase the game. In the end though I am the one who decided I didn't want to play the game. 

    So now I don't do that any more because I want to learn to like new things even if they are outside my comfort zone. Sometimes this ends in a spectacular failure but at least I am not making snap judgements without actually experiencing the game.

    PoE is objectively a much deeper and more complex ARPG than D3 ever was - there's no question about that. 

    As far as ARPGs go - PoE devs have done 50x amount of work and improvements than Blizzard did in the same time with D3 - and Blizzard has a far bigger team for D3. 

    D3 was released in May 2012 - we're coming up on 9 years - what have they done in those 9 years?

    One expansion in 2013 ... and then one necro class? 

    I mean they have done fucking nothing for majority of 9 years... unreal
  • MikeJezZMikeJezZ Member UncommonPosts: 1,216
    This game became irrelevant when D2 resurrected was announced. 
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 18,606
    edited February 20
    Looks up about 4 or so posts.

    The reason developers are using the ONLINE aspect in games has been very lame,they do it to operate a cash shop.Then just like with the Blizzard APP you will be bombarded with their advertising,so it is a form of forced advertising.

    MANY..MOST online games are played 90-99% solo,they do not NEED an online feature or at best maybe a co-op feature.

    Obviously mobile is only to exploit the huge mobile money tree because seems those using cells phones to game are better suckers than the PC users.

    I am also going to assume Blizzard will make this D4 also a heavy cash shop game because this has been a VERY noticeable trend in Blizzard since Activision stepped in with an Iron Fist.Like in the one game i play a lot or have played a lot ..Hearthstone it has been extremely noticeable how much more cash shop advertising they have been doing.Also in the new xpac for HS they are adding even more p2w and more ways to spend.

    So yeah Blizzard has been on a tirade of cash shop gaming.
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  • Erinak1Erinak1 Member UncommonPosts: 183

    remsleep said:

    The dark and grim theme they were originally promising seems pretty much gone.

    The gameplay seems a lot more colorful and more like D3 than previous ones they've shown.



    Does dark and grim to you mean there has to be no light or colour? Or did we watch different videos? Dark and grim is a theme, it doesnt mean the whole world has to be covered in a layer of mud.
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  • Abscissa15Abscissa15 Member UncommonPosts: 52
    I had hoped that Diablo IV would incorporate 3rd person camera view. It's just a personal preference - I recently reloaded UO and Legends of Aria just for kicks. Isometric camera view just doesn't get it for me. I suppose that modifying the coding for that sort of change would be an enormous expense and apparently players like it just the way it is.
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 6,450
    edited February 20
    Dark and grim in ARPGs is code for "our game is supposed to look ugly as shit. It's a design choice. Yep. Definitely a design choice."
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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,526
    edited February 20


    I had hoped that Diablo IV would incorporate 3rd person camera view. It's just a personal preference - I recently reloaded UO and Legends of Aria just for kicks. Isometric camera view just doesn't get it for me. I suppose that modifying the coding for that sort of change would be an enormous expense and apparently players like it just the way it is.



    that was the big problem with Witcher 1, the game was designed as an ARPG and they changed it to third person without properly adding third person controls so it ended up being a really bad mix of third person movement with topdown ARPG "click everywhere" controls.

    As for Diablo IV, the always online requirement completely put me off. I'll wait for D2 remaster instead. Might play D4 some day when it's like $10 bucks.




  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 382
    Erinak1 said:

    remsleep said:

    The dark and grim theme they were originally promising seems pretty much gone.

    The gameplay seems a lot more colorful and more like D3 than previous ones they've shown.



    Does dark and grim to you mean there has to be no light or colour? Or did we watch different videos? Dark and grim is a theme, it doesnt mean the whole world has to be covered in a layer of mud.
    Dried ears(supposedly, they wouldn't look like that) aren't a reference to grimdark, but to Diablo 2's PvP. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they snuck a PvP vendor peek into this announcement. Something like that PoE PvP vendor.

    It looked ok, nothing more. I'm more interested in how Diablo Resurrected turns out.
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,526
    Gorwe said:


    It looked ok, nothing more. I'm more interested in how Diablo Resurrected turns out.

    Man, Blizzard should resurrect both D1 and D2 and selling together as a Classic Diablo bundle, kind of like they are doing with the newly announced Blizzard Arcade Collection. That would be awesome.
    Gorwe




  • remsleepremsleep Member EpicPosts: 1,967
    edited February 20
    Erinak1 said:

    remsleep said:

    The dark and grim theme they were originally promising seems pretty much gone.

    The gameplay seems a lot more colorful and more like D3 than previous ones they've shown.



    Does dark and grim to you mean there has to be no light or colour? Or did we watch different videos? Dark and grim is a theme, it doesnt mean the whole world has to be covered in a layer of mud.

    I totally get that - and not expecting layers of mud - it's a theme like you said.

    Watching the Rogue video - do I get the feeling of "dark grim" theme? I don't.

    Do I get a feeling of Diablo 3 gameplay - I do.


    Diablo 1 was dark and grim - and it didn't have layers of mud.

    Grim Dawn has plenty of color - it has a dark and grim theme.

    So it clearly can be done - Blizzard seems to have backed off from their original "dark and grim" claims they originally made when they first showed of D4, that is all I am saying - as this new Rogue gameplay (not cinematic) seems to show - a much less dark game - more D3 style, which is a letdown.

    My opinion - they are going for China/Asia mass appeal market which is not too keen on blood and gore, so they probably decided to "tone it down" and make it more mainstream
  • remsleepremsleep Member EpicPosts: 1,967
    Aeander said:
    Dark and grim in ARPGs is code for "our game is supposed to look ugly as shit. It's a design choice. Yep. Definitely a design choice."

    Not necessarily - example Diablo 1, Grim Dawn - neither is "ugly as shit"





  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 6,450
    remsleep said:
    Aeander said:
    Dark and grim in ARPGs is code for "our game is supposed to look ugly as shit. It's a design choice. Yep. Definitely a design choice."

    Not necessarily - example Diablo 1, Grim Dawn - neither is "ugly as shit"





    Yeah.... agree to disagree on those screenshots.
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