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Riot Games CEO, Nicolo Laurent, Sued for Sexual Harassment from Fired Employee

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  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,122
    iixviiiix said:
    iixviiiix said:
    Scorchien said:
    Is there any proof or just "she said "

       I would wait to see some actual evidence
    The most scary about those cases like this is there are no proof . And even when men have proofs it don't matter , like Johnny Depp case


    What proof did Depp provide that wasn't seen as such?
     There is no detail but it seem like he had recorded some case Amber abused him but lie that he was the one abused her .

    From the last i read any news about them , Depp failed at England court

    If you know more about this case , you can just add the link , i also interest in this case

    With his failure to convince the court it seems whatever Depp provided was considered inadequate to be considered proof or what was proven wasn't enough to change the outcome to his favour.

    I don't have any links to provide you,
    Scot
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,122
    Because of course women have NEVER lusted after men or made "sexist" comments about them EVER right ?   Its only ever men doing it about women RIGHT ?

    There are of course no absolutes, but women collectively have never conducted themselves in this manner anywhere near the degree men have.

    The issue is largely one-sided.
    [Deleted User]
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,122
    Ungood said:
    cheyane said:
    When I was working ages ago since I am an old lady now it was a daily occurrence and usually the same perpetrators and I had no recourse. The best I could do if they were small flies in my profession was to insult them badly enough and make a laughing stock of them that they might leave you alone. It wasn't only verbal but my height and willingness to kick them in the balls helped. Literally no way to solve it aside from being labelled a trouble maker. I am so happy that those days are gone.

    Men think women enjoy being sexually harassed like it is suppose to reaffirm our attractiveness , no assholes, it does not.

    Unfortunately some men never progress past the caveman stage.......You'd think in the year 2021 that we would be beyond this but that doesn't appear to be the case. Many men I know only think of women sexually....Almost as if they were a plastic doll that is just there for their sexual pleasure and then they cast them aside....It's no wonder most marriages fail.
    The question however, becomes, who or what, puts this idea in their heads. Everyone is a creature of their environment, their morals, language, social poise, customs, all of it, just a product of their Environment, so.. where does this notion spring from in our modern 2012 culture and environment.

    Perhaps indulgent parenting coupled with lacking discipline for improper behaviour has led to an increasingly self-indulgent, self-absorbed society over time, where one's own interests and pleasures have come trump any other concerns for many.
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 9,739
    Ungood said:
    cheyane said:
    When I was working ages ago since I am an old lady now it was a daily occurrence and usually the same perpetrators and I had no recourse. The best I could do if they were small flies in my profession was to insult them badly enough and make a laughing stock of them that they might leave you alone. It wasn't only verbal but my height and willingness to kick them in the balls helped. Literally no way to solve it aside from being labelled a trouble maker. I am so happy that those days are gone.

    Men think women enjoy being sexually harassed like it is suppose to reaffirm our attractiveness , no assholes, it does not.

    Unfortunately some men never progress past the caveman stage.......You'd think in the year 2021 that we would be beyond this but that doesn't appear to be the case. Many men I know only think of women sexually....Almost as if they were a plastic doll that is just there for their sexual pleasure and then they cast them aside....It's no wonder most marriages fail.
    The question however, becomes, who or what, puts this idea in their heads. Everyone is a creature of their environment, their morals, language, social poise, customs, all of it, just a product of their Environment, so.. where does this notion spring from in our modern 2012 culture and environment.

    Our society has zero good role models unless it comes from the home and that is rare.....The internet is a horrible influence as porn and other things degrading to women are everywhere.....Rap and hip hop music do nothing but degrade women so it is no wonder the young males turn out the way they do.
  • iixviiiixiixviiiix Member RarePosts: 2,256
    edited February 2021
    Ungood said:
    cheyane said:
    When I was working ages ago since I am an old lady now it was a daily occurrence and usually the same perpetrators and I had no recourse. The best I could do if they were small flies in my profession was to insult them badly enough and make a laughing stock of them that they might leave you alone. It wasn't only verbal but my height and willingness to kick them in the balls helped. Literally no way to solve it aside from being labelled a trouble maker. I am so happy that those days are gone.

    Men think women enjoy being sexually harassed like it is suppose to reaffirm our attractiveness , no assholes, it does not.

    Unfortunately some men never progress past the caveman stage.......You'd think in the year 2021 that we would be beyond this but that doesn't appear to be the case. Many men I know only think of women sexually....Almost as if they were a plastic doll that is just there for their sexual pleasure and then they cast them aside....It's no wonder most marriages fail.
    The question however, becomes, who or what, puts this idea in their heads. Everyone is a creature of their environment, their morals, language, social poise, customs, all of it, just a product of their Environment, so.. where does this notion spring from in our modern 2012 culture and environment.

    Our society has zero good role models unless it comes from the home and that is rare.....The internet is a horrible influence as porn and other things degrading to women are everywhere.....Rap and hip hop music do nothing but degrade women so it is no wonder the young males turn out the way they do.
    We don't need a good role models to follow , but need a bad role models to avoid. For example no one care the one don't do drug live healthy , but look at the one who drug and got sick to not become like them.

    But bad roles always win at the end so everyone follow them instead of avoid.

    And by what young males turn out ... wasn't parts of them chose to avoid women and marriage?
    Gdemami
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 22,818
    Ungood said:
    cheyane said:
    When I was working ages ago since I am an old lady now it was a daily occurrence and usually the same perpetrators and I had no recourse. The best I could do if they were small flies in my profession was to insult them badly enough and make a laughing stock of them that they might leave you alone. It wasn't only verbal but my height and willingness to kick them in the balls helped. Literally no way to solve it aside from being labelled a trouble maker. I am so happy that those days are gone.

    Men think women enjoy being sexually harassed like it is suppose to reaffirm our attractiveness , no assholes, it does not.

    Unfortunately some men never progress past the caveman stage.......You'd think in the year 2021 that we would be beyond this but that doesn't appear to be the case. Many men I know only think of women sexually....Almost as if they were a plastic doll that is just there for their sexual pleasure and then they cast them aside....It's no wonder most marriages fail.
    The question however, becomes, who or what, puts this idea in their heads. Everyone is a creature of their environment, their morals, language, social poise, customs, all of it, just a product of their Environment, so.. where does this notion spring from in our modern 2012 culture and environment.
    You and a couple of the following posters are denying the effect of nature and evolution here, people are not just the result of their social context.
    Gdemami
  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,517
    Ungood said:
    cheyane said:
    When I was working ages ago since I am an old lady now it was a daily occurrence and usually the same perpetrators and I had no recourse. The best I could do if they were small flies in my profession was to insult them badly enough and make a laughing stock of them that they might leave you alone. It wasn't only verbal but my height and willingness to kick them in the balls helped. Literally no way to solve it aside from being labelled a trouble maker. I am so happy that those days are gone.

    Men think women enjoy being sexually harassed like it is suppose to reaffirm our attractiveness , no assholes, it does not.

    Unfortunately some men never progress past the caveman stage.......You'd think in the year 2021 that we would be beyond this but that doesn't appear to be the case. Many men I know only think of women sexually....Almost as if they were a plastic doll that is just there for their sexual pleasure and then they cast them aside....It's no wonder most marriages fail.
    The question however, becomes, who or what, puts this idea in their heads. Everyone is a creature of their environment, their morals, language, social poise, customs, all of it, just a product of their Environment, so.. where does this notion spring from in our modern 2012 culture and environment.

    Our society has zero good role models unless it comes from the home and that is rare.....The internet is a horrible influence as porn and other things degrading to women are everywhere.....Rap and hip hop music do nothing but degrade women so it is no wonder the young males turn out the way they do.
    So in short, we as a society are not really anywhere near this modern ideal of "it's 2021" and just use that as a scapegoat to blame the individual for what is really a social problem overall.

    The reality is, if society has progressed, then the Society would have progressed, but if we have not, then we should realize that it is purely an faulty illusion that Society has progressed, as we clearly have not.
    Gdemami
    Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.

  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 7,885
    I think it has to do with upbringing. I would like to point out that in this respect Western countries have made strides. I am also Malaysian like some posters here but this problem in Malaysia isn't handled how it is handled in other places. Most times when you get harassed you keep quiet or you lose your job.

    I mean you can complain but you can kiss your job goodbye. I think parents are doing a poor job teaching their children and this is a problem that has existed a long time. When I was growing up as a female child in an Indian family you immediately realise that you're second class, so how can the males respect females when their own mothers show them otherwise. Chinese families in Malaysia spend ages trying for a male child like the 4 girls they have have no value. Muslim women have to settle to being one in 4 wives to a man in Malaysia.

    All this leads to what you see and how women are treated. Of course there can be false allegations but for me personally I think the very fact that there is the 'me too' movement and men are afraid now of even touching a colleague casually is really great because for decades they have been abusing us and taking for granted the boundaries they should have never crossed. They should be careful and take heed of their behaviour because for decades they have had the freedom to treat us without respect.

    Not saying every man is like that. However the way it was before was not right. It might be overcorrecting but like hell I'm going back to how it was. I rather there be discomfort at the office now than how I was made to feel while I worked.

    Naturally men are upset and feel they are being persecuted but have they ever thought about how much women had to tolerate. The stupid sexist remarks casually made at your expense even by good friends because they are with other men. No one is saying women are not guilty too but by and large this was a problem women faced and now men too have the opportunity to seek redress should they face such a problem.

    I always read about how women have made it difficult for men to work now but have they given any thought to how women managed in this toxic atmosphere all these years. All that is happening now is that some thought and circumspection go into your daily behaviour. That goes for both sexes.
    [Deleted User]IselinArglebarglecheyane

  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,517
    edited February 2021
    Scot said:
    Ungood said:
    cheyane said:
    When I was working ages ago since I am an old lady now it was a daily occurrence and usually the same perpetrators and I had no recourse. The best I could do if they were small flies in my profession was to insult them badly enough and make a laughing stock of them that they might leave you alone. It wasn't only verbal but my height and willingness to kick them in the balls helped. Literally no way to solve it aside from being labelled a trouble maker. I am so happy that those days are gone.

    Men think women enjoy being sexually harassed like it is suppose to reaffirm our attractiveness , no assholes, it does not.

    Unfortunately some men never progress past the caveman stage.......You'd think in the year 2021 that we would be beyond this but that doesn't appear to be the case. Many men I know only think of women sexually....Almost as if they were a plastic doll that is just there for their sexual pleasure and then they cast them aside....It's no wonder most marriages fail.
    The question however, becomes, who or what, puts this idea in their heads. Everyone is a creature of their environment, their morals, language, social poise, customs, all of it, just a product of their Environment, so.. where does this notion spring from in our modern 2012 culture and environment.
    You and a couple of the following posters are denying the effect of nature and evolution here, people are not just the result of their social context.
    Unlike a pre-coded species, like ants for example, who are pretty much born knowing everything they need to know, as if their whole culture is written in their DNA. Humans are a instructed species, we need to be trained and taught how to do things and function in our society, and there are vast wealth's of study on that very subject, in fact our culture development and training is so important to us as a species that it affects our brain development, it really is some pretty cool and deep stuff, that the more I look into the more it starts to go over my head, but still, really cool stuff.

    Anyway, this is why, what humans look for in a mate, varies by culture. How we go about presenting ourselves as an attractive mate, again, varies by culture. Manlyness or what passes as the marks of masculinity, vary by culture. Responsibility's, social roles, etc, etc, are again, all products of that social circle.

    And this is a part of our evolution, Humans are a herd animal, as such, we will adopt to customs and way of life of the herd we want to be in, we will do whatever we need to do to, to become a part of that herd. This is why once the herd unity breaks downs, the culture it set up, goes with it. And this can be seen anywhere, from High School social groups, to gangs, to sportsman groups.. right down to gamer cliques. 

    And while to some degree, there is an evolutionary coding, it is not such a big deal with humans, as we can in many cases, reason past our instincts. We have such a high mental development that we can control our more instinctive urges, like some mind over body super power, we are just that epic, which is why, we as a species have come to dominate this planet, we can overcome with just a thought, all our coded genetic instincts.. that is what makes Humans badasses.

    Like for example, we can, with just reason and thought, overcome our primal instinctive and even conditioned, fears, we can convince ourselves to do something that scares the literal shit out of us.. 

    Just like we can remain in control when we really want to beat the hell shit out of someone, or die trying, we can often maintain a civil composure, this is what has allowed us to build the societies we have made.

    It is also why we humans can be so vastly different in all our cultural ways, why we can change and mutate, why we can say things like "In this modern age" and literally change the entire way we react to situations simply by changing the way we think about them.

    This is also why someone can be raised poor, in a inner city ghetto culture, even join a gang and adopt that way of life, maybe end up in jail or someplace else, like end up in a mission house, and find a a whole new culture and just like that.. Adopt right into that new culture, and become a part of it, shedding all their previous ways, and moving into a new way behave, interact, and socialize. This is also why we can move to other nations and countries, and just adopt right into their way of doing things, like a snake sheading their old skin.

    And yet we are also pretty damn stupid too.. I am sure there is an explanation for that, and when the mood hits me.. I might look into it.
    Scotkitarad[Deleted User]ArglebargleGdemami
    Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.

  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 22,818
    edited February 2021
    Ungood said:
    Scot said:
    Ungood said:
    cheyane said:
    When I was working ages ago since I am an old lady now it was a daily occurrence and usually the same perpetrators and I had no recourse. The best I could do if they were small flies in my profession was to insult them badly enough and make a laughing stock of them that they might leave you alone. It wasn't only verbal but my height and willingness to kick them in the balls helped. Literally no way to solve it aside from being labelled a trouble maker. I am so happy that those days are gone.

    Men think women enjoy being sexually harassed like it is suppose to reaffirm our attractiveness , no assholes, it does not.

    Unfortunately some men never progress past the caveman stage.......You'd think in the year 2021 that we would be beyond this but that doesn't appear to be the case. Many men I know only think of women sexually....Almost as if they were a plastic doll that is just there for their sexual pleasure and then they cast them aside....It's no wonder most marriages fail.
    The question however, becomes, who or what, puts this idea in their heads. Everyone is a creature of their environment, their morals, language, social poise, customs, all of it, just a product of their Environment, so.. where does this notion spring from in our modern 2012 culture and environment.
    You and a couple of the following posters are denying the effect of nature and evolution here, people are not just the result of their social context.
    Unlike a pre-coded species, like ants for example, who are pretty much born knowing everything they need to know, as if their whole culture is written in their DNA. Humans are a instructed species, we need to be trained and taught how to do things and function in our society, and there are vast wealth's of study on that very subject, in fact our culture development and training is so important to us as a species that it affects our brain development, it really is some pretty cool and deep stuff, that the more I look into the more it starts to go over my head, but still, really cool stuff.

    Anyway, this is why, what humans look for in a mate, varies by culture. How we go about presenting ourselves as an attractive mate, again, varies by culture. Manlyness or what passes as the marks of masculinity, vary by culture. Responsibility's, social roles, etc, etc, are again, all products of that social circle.

    And this is a part of our evolution, Humans are a herd animal, as such, we will adopt to customs and way of life of the herd we want to be in, we will do whatever we need to do to, to become a part of that herd. This is why once the herd unity breaks downs, the culture it set up, goes with it. And this can be seen anywhere, from High School social groups, to gangs, to sportsman groups.. right down to gamer cliques. 

    And while to some degree, there is an evolutionary coding, it is not such a big deal with humans, as we can in many cases, reason past our instincts. We have such a high mental development that we can control our more instinctive urges, like some mind over body super power, we are just that epic, which is why, we as a species have come to dominate this planet, we can overcome with just a thought, all our coded genetic instincts.. that is what makes Humans badasses.

    Like for example, we can, with just reason and thought, overcome our primal instinctive and even conditioned, fears, we can convince ourselves to do something that scares the literal shit out of us.. 

    Just like we can remain in control when we really want to beat the hell shit out of someone, or die trying, we can often maintain a civil composure, this is what has allowed us to build the societies we have made.

    It is also why we humans can be so vastly different in all our cultural ways, why we can change and mutate, why we can say things like "In this modern age" and literally change the entire way we react to situations simply by changing the way we think about them.

    This is also why someone can be raised poor, in a inner city ghetto culture, even join a gang and adopt that way of life, maybe end up in jail or someplace else, like end up in a mission house, and find a a whole new culture and just like that.. Adopt right into that new culture, and become a part of it, shedding all their previous ways, and moving into a new way behave, interact, and socialize. This is also why we can move to other nations and countries, and just adopt right into their way of doing things, like a snake sheading their old skin.

    And yet we are also pretty damn stupid too.. I am sure there is an explanation for that, and when the mood hits me.. I might look into it.
    A detailed analysis but the way genetics, evolutionary biology and views on socialization and psychology have changed over last the few decades, shows for me that it is time out on the nature versus nurture debate. Many ways in which we interact within our societies can be explained solely by evolutionary biology, solely by sociology and solely by psychology. While genetics keeps increasing as a factor to explain our behaviour, not just physical make up. I tend to stick with the hard sciences, but sociology and psychology have more than enough evidence to back their case up. There seems to be no holistic approach which adequately weighs the various importance of all of these on a given element of human behaviour. When you think of the importance of the area and the fact that research funding depends on their area of science or humanities having the right of it, I am not sure we ever will.
    [Deleted User]Ungood
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,882
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    cheyane said:
    When I was working ages ago since I am an old lady now it was a daily occurrence and usually the same perpetrators and I had no recourse. The best I could do if they were small flies in my profession was to insult them badly enough and make a laughing stock of them that they might leave you alone. It wasn't only verbal but my height and willingness to kick them in the balls helped. Literally no way to solve it aside from being labelled a trouble maker. I am so happy that those days are gone.

    Men think women enjoy being sexually harassed like it is suppose to reaffirm our attractiveness , no assholes, it does not.

    Unfortunately some men never progress past the caveman stage.......You'd think in the year 2021 that we would be beyond this but that doesn't appear to be the case. Many men I know only think of women sexually....Almost as if they were a plastic doll that is just there for their sexual pleasure and then they cast them aside....It's no wonder most marriages fail.
    The question however, becomes, who or what, puts this idea in their heads. Everyone is a creature of their environment, their morals, language, social poise, customs, all of it, just a product of their Environment, so.. where does this notion spring from in our modern 2012 culture and environment.

    Our society has zero good role models unless it comes from the home and that is rare.....The internet is a horrible influence as porn and other things degrading to women are everywhere.....Rap and hip hop music do nothing but degrade women so it is no wonder the young males turn out the way they do.
    So in short, we as a society are not really anywhere near this modern ideal of "it's 2021" and just use that as a scapegoat to blame the individual for what is really a social problem overall.

    The reality is, if society has progressed, then the Society would have progressed, but if we have not, then we should realize that it is purely an faulty illusion that Society has progressed, as we clearly have not.
    The reality is that society does not have on/off switches for big problems.

    Progress with a problem like harassment is a question of whether it's decreased and how much. Solving something like this completely is an utopia that's never going to happen. All we can do is make it much much rarer than it is, not stop it completely.
    [Deleted User]Ungood
     
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,882
    Ungood said:
    Scot said:
    Ungood said:
    cheyane said:
    When I was working ages ago since I am an old lady now it was a daily occurrence and usually the same perpetrators and I had no recourse. The best I could do if they were small flies in my profession was to insult them badly enough and make a laughing stock of them that they might leave you alone. It wasn't only verbal but my height and willingness to kick them in the balls helped. Literally no way to solve it aside from being labelled a trouble maker. I am so happy that those days are gone.

    Men think women enjoy being sexually harassed like it is suppose to reaffirm our attractiveness , no assholes, it does not.

    Unfortunately some men never progress past the caveman stage.......You'd think in the year 2021 that we would be beyond this but that doesn't appear to be the case. Many men I know only think of women sexually....Almost as if they were a plastic doll that is just there for their sexual pleasure and then they cast them aside....It's no wonder most marriages fail.
    The question however, becomes, who or what, puts this idea in their heads. Everyone is a creature of their environment, their morals, language, social poise, customs, all of it, just a product of their Environment, so.. where does this notion spring from in our modern 2012 culture and environment.
    You and a couple of the following posters are denying the effect of nature and evolution here, people are not just the result of their social context.
    Unlike a pre-coded species, like ants for example, who are pretty much born knowing everything they need to know, as if their whole culture is written in their DNA. Humans are a instructed species, we need to be trained and taught how to do things and function in our society, and there are vast wealth's of study on that very subject, in fact our culture development and training is so important to us as a species that it affects our brain development, it really is some pretty cool and deep stuff, that the more I look into the more it starts to go over my head, but still, really cool stuff.

    Anyway, this is why, what humans look for in a mate, varies by culture. How we go about presenting ourselves as an attractive mate, again, varies by culture. Manlyness or what passes as the marks of masculinity, vary by culture. Responsibility's, social roles, etc, etc, are again, all products of that social circle.

    And this is a part of our evolution, Humans are a herd animal, as such, we will adopt to customs and way of life of the herd we want to be in, we will do whatever we need to do to, to become a part of that herd. This is why once the herd unity breaks downs, the culture it set up, goes with it. And this can be seen anywhere, from High School social groups, to gangs, to sportsman groups.. right down to gamer cliques. 

    And while to some degree, there is an evolutionary coding, it is not such a big deal with humans, as we can in many cases, reason past our instincts. We have such a high mental development that we can control our more instinctive urges, like some mind over body super power, we are just that epic, which is why, we as a species have come to dominate this planet, we can overcome with just a thought, all our coded genetic instincts.. that is what makes Humans badasses.

    Like for example, we can, with just reason and thought, overcome our primal instinctive and even conditioned, fears, we can convince ourselves to do something that scares the literal shit out of us.. 

    Just like we can remain in control when we really want to beat the hell shit out of someone, or die trying, we can often maintain a civil composure, this is what has allowed us to build the societies we have made.

    It is also why we humans can be so vastly different in all our cultural ways, why we can change and mutate, why we can say things like "In this modern age" and literally change the entire way we react to situations simply by changing the way we think about them.

    This is also why someone can be raised poor, in a inner city ghetto culture, even join a gang and adopt that way of life, maybe end up in jail or someplace else, like end up in a mission house, and find a a whole new culture and just like that.. Adopt right into that new culture, and become a part of it, shedding all their previous ways, and moving into a new way behave, interact, and socialize. This is also why we can move to other nations and countries, and just adopt right into their way of doing things, like a snake sheading their old skin.

    And yet we are also pretty damn stupid too.. I am sure there is an explanation for that, and when the mood hits me.. I might look into it.
    Unlike many animals, humans have also ability to behave differently from our upbringing, culture, and previous reason. If you successfully teach an animal something, you can achieve a situation where the animal attempts that solution every time. Whereas if you successfully teach a human something, he might apply your teaching 1000 times in a row but on 1001st time decide to do something completely contrary to your teachings.

    You can never completely successfully program humans through training or upbringing. We're thinking too much different stuff that we'd always go through same rote.

    For things like harassment you can reduce it dramatically through upbringing and teaching, and we should do those things to reduce it. But we also need to remember that humans can't even be reliably programmed so that we can only achieve a dramatic reduction that way, never stop it completely.
    [Deleted User]Ungood
     
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 9,739
    Sexual harrassment can be hard to define......A man can say hello to a woman and some will think that is sexual harrassment and the man is making advances.....Another time though a man might make sexual suggestions that would make a sailor blush and it doesn't bother the woman at all......It's kinda like racism...Alot of the things that people say are racist now were never considered racist in the past. For the past few years people have just become much more sensitive about everything.
    Gdemami
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Sexual harrassment can be hard to define......A man can say hello to a woman and some will think that is sexual harrassment and the man is making advances.....Another time though a man might make sexual suggestions that would make a sailor blush and it doesn't bother the woman at all......It's kinda like racism...Alot of the things that people say are racist now were never considered racist in the past. For the past few years people have just become much more sensitive about everything.
    Context matters. What may be expected or normal behavior at a club is totally different than what is acceptable in your office. Some people have a hard time understanding that distinction.

    A simple "hello there" together with visual cues demonstrating interest to a stranger at a bar is just fine and expected. Cornering someone at the water cooler in the office and doing the same there isn't, and especially not if you do it to a subordinate who may feel pressured to respond positively for the sake of her/his job security.

    I also don't think that people are any more sensitive today than they once were. If you've ever been on the receiving end of racist comments, whether hostile ones, just casual joking ones or anything in between, you would have always disliked that and have always been quick to recognize it through years of experience.

    What's different today is that people are a lot more self confident and feel more socially empowered to express their objections either casually on the spot or through lawsuits if necessary for more serious, repetitive or harmful cases.
    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

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  • iixviiiixiixviiiix Member RarePosts: 2,256
    Rhoklaw said:
    This is why I am glad I retired almost 7 years ago. Every workplace I've ever worked at has made damn sure to pound it into people's heads that sexual harassment is a big no no. It has gotten to the point that every employee should be wearing a body camera. Tired of this he said / she said bullshit.

    I find this one is the most useful thing in this thread . Also dress code for workplace, Some place are pretty chaotic
  • CuddleheartCuddleheart Member UncommonPosts: 391
    Iselin said:
    Sexual harrassment can be hard to define......A man can say hello to a woman and some will think that is sexual harrassment and the man is making advances.....Another time though a man might make sexual suggestions that would make a sailor blush and it doesn't bother the woman at all......It's kinda like racism...Alot of the things that people say are racist now were never considered racist in the past. For the past few years people have just become much more sensitive about everything.
    Context matters. What may be expected or normal behavior at a club is totally different than what is acceptable in your office. Some people have a hard time understanding that distinction.

    A simple "hello there" together with visual cues demonstrating interest to a stranger at a bar is just fine and expected. Cornering someone at the water cooler in the office and doing the same there isn't, and especially not if you do it to a subordinate who may feel pressured to respond positively for the sake of her/his job security.

    I also don't think that people are any more sensitive today than they once were. If you've ever been on the receiving end of racist comments, whether hostile ones, just casual joking ones or anything in between, you would have always disliked that and have always been quick to recognize it through years of experience.

    What's different today is that people are a lot more self confident and feel more socially empowered to express their objections either casually on the spot or through lawsuits if necessary for more serious, repetitive or harmful cases.
    This is really interesting to me as a lot of it runs counter to my perspective based on my life experiences.  It really is fascinating how wildly different two perspectives can be about the same world.

    I, honestly, thought that, in every year of my life, the US made social progress in regards to less discrimination and more equitable treatment towards everyone.  Honestly, it wasn't until ten years ago that the internet and media told me things are worse.  I'm not being silly.  Of course there's always strides to make, but we were always heading in a direction of betterment.

    I 100% believe people are MUCH more sensitive.  I've seen the shift from being able to tease and joke with each other(humor is a completely underrated and all too stifled processing mechanism for our brain) to people collecting slights like beanie babies without taking intent or context into consideration.  I really believe this is a generational thing.  I'm not "you damn kids"-ing anyone, but if you spent time with some of the older people in a lot of these groups considered marginalized, you'll find their perspectives are often very different than what you see in the media or internet.

    Anywho, interesting to think about :)
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 9,739
    edited February 2021
    "I, honestly, thought that, in every year of my life, the US made social progress in regards to less discrimination and more equitable treatment towards everyone.  Honestly, it wasn't until ten years ago that the internet and media told me things are worse.  I'm not being silly.  Of course there's always strides to make, but we were always heading in a direction of betterment."

    The internet has hurt alot of things ...Anonymity makes jerks out of alot of people...Social media has been a disaster really.
  • CuddleheartCuddleheart Member UncommonPosts: 391

    The internet has hurt alot of things ...Anonymity makes jerks out of alot of people...Social media has been a disaster really.
    Haha.  I've been known to rant about how social media turns conversation and debate into coming up with the fastest hot take you can and then defending it to the death. :P
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