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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Sovrath said:
    ... when they should be reading the review and then applying what is being said to themselves.


    Apparently it's only you and I and a handful of others who still read though :)
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  • AsheramAsheram Member EpicPosts: 5,078
    Wizardry said:
    Review....another Cyberpunk game,same old hit some hubs,run some missions,shoot some bad guys/good guys go get next mission...zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
    Likely used too much lighting and why the performance, idk why the bugs would be rampant,rushed work i guess.How much can you screw up the weapons don't fire,broken missions?

    Watch a few cool cutscenes,umm ok a CS doesn't make a game though.

    By January 10 Cyberpunk will be forgotten about.No sweat off their back because the studio is likely going to make a lot of money off this rushed game and the amazing thing is in 2 years they can do another and people will forget.

    Can I get your list of Cyberpunk games, you speak like they are a dime a dozen.
  • AsheramAsheram Member EpicPosts: 5,078
    edited December 2020

    He doesnt gloss over issues but still likes it, and hopefully the day 1 patch helps some bug issues.
  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,677
    edited December 2020
    Personally I haven't read any reviews and I really don't care if it's riddled with bugs....now what I want to know is how long do you all think before the bugs are fixed?


    Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.





  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 33,239
    edited December 2020
    remsleep said:



    I will add tht they should just get rid of numbers. Players see numbers and that says everything to them when they should be reading the review and then applying what is being said to themselves.



    How many 10/10 games have you played?

    Don't you find it curious that every blockbuster game release has about ten or more 100% reviews right out of the gate?

    To me 100% score means the game is flawless - perfect in all areas. I am yet to play like that.

    Amazing to me is 90% 

    10/10 is not amazing it means 100% - flawless in all areas
    Well then how many 9 games have you played? And if we get rid of 10 the 9 will be the top level until someone else comes along and proclaims that "9" means flawless.

    If the the very definition of a rating isn't achievable then what's it doing there?

    10 games?

    Morrowind, Skyrim, Darkest Dungeon, Neverwinter Nights, Dark Souls, Masters of Orion II, Andromeda ...

    Heck, all the games that I not only spent years playing but I still go back to.

    Because they are amazing. Why would anyone play games for years and continue to do it if they aren't amazing?

    But since humans don't make flawless it's a non-topic.

    Vampire the Masquerade. One of the most flawed games but its' simply amazing.
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  • lotrlorelotrlore Managing EditorAdministrator, MMORPG.COM Staff, Member RarePosts: 694
    remsleep said:
    kitarad said:
    remsleep said:
    The amount of grammatical errors in this article in the first couple paragraphs alone.....WOW.

    allows us to explain. - plural on allow?
    we did not receive early code - we did not receive an early code
    not receive code in the next - not receive a code in the next
    no obligation to seed code to us - no obligation to seed(send) a code to us
    nor an expectation for media - nor an expectation for the media
    to always receive review code - to always receive a review code

    Do better!

    They really don't need to - because the ads are what pay the bills and hardly anyone reads any articles here.

    They could litteraly post a cornbread recipe in the main body instead of anything related to video games and 99% people here wouldn't notice.

    People read the headlines and maybe the first sentence or 2 and that's it, the rest of it could be all gravy and cornbread recipes 
    Hey speak for yourself, I actually read the articles. While it is true about where the money is coming from I do appreciate the work people put into writing these and I make an effort to read them thoroughly if I have the time .


    Haha so that makes you, Sovrath, Iselin and a handful of others who actually read the articles. 

    I don't because I have a pretty killer cornbread recipe already
    ...so you are saying that cornbread was an option? I will take that recipe =) 
    I do have a pretty good cornbread recipe somewhere...
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  • BrotherMaynardBrotherMaynard Member RarePosts: 647
    remsleep said:
    JeroKane said:
    lahnmir said:
    remsleep said:
    Odi101 said:
    Knowing there's a sizable day 0 patch I have ignored all reviews, so I wouldn't have read a rushed review anyway lol. Good on you for stating you won't be rushing it, even after you get your hands on a copy.

    The 47Gb patch is there... the real question is ...what did it fix, because I couldn't tell.

    Still broken dialog in the middle of the sentence, still getting stuck and need to reload, still massive glitches - floating clothes, floating guns... sheesh, what did it fix? 

    People still believe in a miracle patch this close to launch?

    Maybe there is another 50Gb patch coming lol
    44 reviews, 13 giving at a 10/10 and only 3 below an 8. It seems your feelings don't mirror the general consensus. Perhaps a bit of expectation management was in order to prevent this "horrible disapppointment?"

    I don't care much about CP2077 but your feels don't seem to match the experience out there.

    /Cheers,
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    Dude most of those reviewers are paid for and/or just doing it for clicks. Come on now!

    I don't trust a single game site anymore these days. Metacritic is also easily manipulated and gone through so many controversies.

    Just wait till people start giving reviews for this game and actual gameplay footage from people themselves show up on Twitch and Youtube.


    Reality is, that CDProjectRed probably spend so much money on Keanu Reeves and ran empty on cash and were no longer able to delay the game any further.

    So much this. 

    10/10 reviews are there to boost the score, to boost sales. The reality is those you simply ignore which most 95+ reviews are - just throw those out

    also throw out 0/10 reviews and 1/10 reviews, then you will start to see the real picture.

    Wrong. The 10/10s and 0/10s don't invalidate the Metacritic scores in the slightest. You just need to change how you view such games.

    The moment you see a game being flooded with 9 or 10/10s and 0 or 1/10s, the x/10 system no longer applies and the average rating switches to the simple like / dislike system. You will identify such games immediately - weak mid, strong extremes.

    In such case you ignore all the middle ground scores, treat all 0-1/10 as dislikes, 9-10/10 as likes and compare them based on quantity.

    You could rigidly continue to follow the x/10 system in such cases, but you won't get much from doing it. You will simply pick a couple of reviews you will like or consider good, but that will be just cherry-picking that will either confirm your bias or leave you even more confused than before.

    Learn to adapt to the aggregate Metacritic reviews based on the situation. The system is solid regardless, you just need to switch your approach when needed, that's all.


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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 33,239


    The moment you see a game being flooded with 9 or 10/10s and 0 or 1/10s, the x/10 system no longer applies and the average rating switches to the simple like / dislike system. You will identify such games immediately - weak mid, strong extremes.

    In such case you ignore all the middle ground scores, treat all 0-1/10 as dislikes, 9-10/10 as likes and compare them based on quantity.




    That's almost exactly what I do.

    Though I will read "the middleground" scores if there is an explanation offered. Those tend to be people who are more even keeled and just want to talk about what they like and dislike. 

    1's are people who dislike/10's are people who like with both categories having people posting just to offset an opinion they don't agree with.
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  • GroqstrongGroqstrong Member RarePosts: 828
    This was going to be a day 1 buy for me but ill wait two weeks after launch until they can rid most of the bugs.  I want my first playthrough to be a solid one.   Plus im enjoying Shadowlands too much atm.
  • AsheramAsheram Member EpicPosts: 5,078
    Gamespot: 7 

    "...it's hard to get into Cyberpunk 2077's world in general. So much of it is superficial set dressing, and there's so much happening all around you--ads going off at all times, gunfights breaking out in the streets, texts coming in about cars you'll never buy--that a lot of the game feels superfluous. The side quests and the characters they showcase are the shining beacon through the neon-soaked bleakness of Night City, and they give you room to explore the best the core RPG mechanics have to offer. These are what carried me through an otherwise disappointing experience."


    .."you can expect it to last you about 30 hours. This number can increase to around 40 hours if you are doing side missions fairly regularly."


    Cyberpunk 2077 Review - GameSpot




    Just as a rebuttal to that Gamestop review.

  • AsheramAsheram Member EpicPosts: 5,078
    edited December 2020
    She was being paid to do a review and I agree with the guy she doesnt like rpgs so shouldnt have done the review, maybe Lucy should have. The guy wasnt shaming her for her playstyle, he even makes a point for people not to go to her sight and dogpile. You seem to be taking it personal. 

    If this was her personal website and opinions about the game thats one thing, this is a paid review on a gaming sight. Maybe I should get a job reviewing games if this is all it takes.

    I thought paid reviews were supposed to explore every aspect and give a non biased viewpoint (well wouldn't even really need to be non biased per say but at least play the whole game), not skip most of it and give a low score.
     
    If anything its more of a shame on gamestop, get those website clicks at any cost.

    Also that is why I dont trust paid reviews of anything even movies. 
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  • dragonbranddragonbrand Member UncommonPosts: 441
    Pre-loaded and ready to go...but won't be playing right away. Not that the bugs scare me off, it just that I am in the middle of three games already. I like to support games and studios that make games that i like and seem to be player-driven.
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  • AsheramAsheram Member EpicPosts: 5,078
    Here are some reviews from a big fan girl but was extremely dismayed when cdpr anounced first person only awhile back, so seems like motion sickness isnt a factor for her like she originally thought.



  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,800
    Any gaming rating system does depend on our personnel take as regards to 1 to 10. I would never award a game a 10, to me it represents what gaming might one day achieve, an almost unobtainable goal. Yet take a look at Metacritic and the 10's are there, quite silly.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,800
    edited December 2020
    Torval said:
    Sovrath said:


    The moment you see a game being flooded with 9 or 10/10s and 0 or 1/10s, the x/10 system no longer applies and the average rating switches to the simple like / dislike system. You will identify such games immediately - weak mid, strong extremes.

    In such case you ignore all the middle ground scores, treat all 0-1/10 as dislikes, 9-10/10 as likes and compare them based on quantity.




    That's almost exactly what I do.

    Though I will read "the middleground" scores if there is an explanation offered. Those tend to be people who are more even keeled and just want to talk about what they like and dislike. 

    1's are people who dislike/10's are people who like with both categories having people posting just to offset an opinion they don't agree with.

    I almost like Steam's system of thumbs up/down, but it needs a middle option. Either I like, dislike, or feel 'meh' about a game. Numbers ratings for games are completely meaningless because the weight and value of each number varies from the perspective of each critic or player. Middleground scores are important as a group, just not individually.
    You often get Steam reviews saying "I nearly gave this a thumbs up" or the reverse, so in one way that would be a great help. But it might not be so good as a scoring system for "mostly positive" etc. You could end up with the score being determined only by those with strong opinions about a game. So something like zero points for a thumbs down, one point for a middle option and three for thumbs up would work well.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,800
    edited December 2020
    I forgot to mention, I would have had respect for that guy on Gamespot if he had not acted like a prat. If you are hearing arguments from someone and you interceded over their face with a sentence you lose any credibility in my eyes. If you can put an argument together do so, don't behave like an idiot.

    The argument about too much easymode stands though, its the bane of gaming and if every reviewer did this (took the easiest route) we would have a very skewed few of games from reviews. Review them on medium and play it mostly how you would expect people to play, so if there is crafting at least try the crafting.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 33,239
    edited December 2020
    Scot said:
    Any gaming rating system does depend on our personnel take as regards to 1 to 10. I would never award a game a 10, to me it represents what gaming might one day achieve, an almost unobtainable goal. Yet take a look at Metacritic and the 10's are there, quite silly.
    again, it doesn't make sense. The 10 is not put there by "gaming magazines" because someday gaming will reach nirvana.

    This is not why it's there.

    It's just that a few individuals have created this ideal that this mythical 10 score is pie in the sky thinking.

    Yet "10's" have been given in 1 - 10 ratings for a very long time. 

    And we can go further.

    If we can't have a 10 then we can't have a 1. 1 would mean the most abysmal and everything has something that can be considered at least ok. If Nirvana can't be reached then neither can pure hell.

    so now we have a 2 out of 9 rating.

    But then anything lower than 7 is considered bad. There is no quantifiable difference between 2 and 3 or 4 or 5 etc.

    Nor is there any reason to say "No, it's definitely a 3, not as bad a a 2!"

    So we get rid of anything below 6. So now we have a 6 - 9 rating.

    And as I've said, someone is going to come along and say "whoa now, 9 is not achievable" and we are back where we started.

    Because if people assume the highest number on a rating scale is not achievable then ALL high numbers are not achievable.






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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,800
    edited December 2020
    Sovrath said:
    Scot said:
    Any gaming rating system does depend on our personnel take as regards to 1 to 10. I would never award a game a 10, to me it represents what gaming might one day achieve, an almost unobtainable goal. Yet take a look at Metacritic and the 10's are there, quite silly.
    again, it doesn't make sense. The 10 is not put there by "gaming magazines" because someday gaming will reach nirvana.

    This is not why it's there.

    It's just that a few individuals have created this ideal that this mythical 10 score is pie in the sky thinking.

    Yet "10's" have been given in 1 - 10 ratings for a very long time. 

    And we can go further.

    If we can't have a 10 then we can't have a 1. 1 would mean the most abysmal and everything has something that can be considered at least ok. If Nirvana can't be reached then neither can pure hell.

    so now we have a 2 out of 9 rating.

    But then anything lower than 7 is considered bad. There is no quantifiable difference between 2 and 3 or 4 or 5 etc.

    Nor is there any reason to say "No, it's definitely a 3, not as bad a a 2!"

    So we get rid of anything below 6. So now we have a 6 - 9 rating.

    And as I've said, someone is going to come along and say "whoa now, 9 is not achievable" and we are back where we started.

    Because if people assume the highest number on a rating scale is not achievable then ALL high numbers are not achievable.
    I agree, this is purely my take on how you rate something, I don't expect reviewers to not use a 10 but it still looks daft to me. I would say though that how often a person uses a 10 can go overboard, whatever you think the max score should be don't use it too often.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 33,239
    Scot said:

    I agree, this is purely my take on how you rate something, I don't expect reviewers to not use a 10 but it still looks daft to me. I would say though that how often a person uses a 10 can go overboard, whatever you think the max score should be don't use it too often.
    I would agree not everything is "high score" but I also think any score, high or otherwise, takes into account a sort of "ineffable feeling" unless there are solid criteria that can be measured.

    Most people will give things good or bad scores based on whether they like them or not. I don't think that's how things should be measured, they should be measured by what they are trying to achieve.

    Otherwise reviewers are simply going to pan things they don't like. Which is only a help for people whose thinking align with those reviewers and not to anyone else.

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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,800
    edited December 2020
    Sovrath said:
    Scot said:

    I agree, this is purely my take on how you rate something, I don't expect reviewers to not use a 10 but it still looks daft to me. I would say though that how often a person uses a 10 can go overboard, whatever you think the max score should be don't use it too often.
    I would agree not everything is "high score" but I also think any score, high or otherwise, takes into account a sort of "ineffable feeling" unless there are solid criteria that can be measured.

    Most people will give things good or bad scores based on whether they like them or not. I don't think that's how things should be measured, they should be measured by what they are trying to achieve.

    Otherwise reviewers are simply going to pan things they don't like. Which is only a help for people whose thinking align with those reviewers and not to anyone else.

    I can't see how you could effectively have a scoring system like that, the one we have is flawed, but it is a best fit and you often just have to put up with that in life. Measuring what something is trying to achieve is sometimes mentioned in reviews but I can't say how much if anything that goes to be part of the score. But I do see the importance of that, games will find it harder to be innovative if we don't factor in near misses in that regard, I just think it would depend even more on the subjectivity of the reviewer which is where we already find most flaws in reviewing rest.
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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,677
    edited December 2020
    Asheram said:
    She was being paid to do a review and I agree with the guy she doesnt like rpgs so shouldnt have done the review, maybe Lucy should have. The guy wasnt shaming her for her playstyle, he even makes a point for people not to go to her sight and dogpile. You seem to be taking it personal. 

    If this was her personal website and opinions about the game thats one thing, this is a paid review on a gaming sight. Maybe I should get a job reviewing games if this is all it takes.

    I thought paid reviews were supposed to explore every aspect and give a non biased viewpoint (well wouldn't even really need to be non biased per say but at least play the whole game), not skip most of it and give a low score.
     
    If anything its more of a shame on gamestop, get those website clicks at any cost.

    Also that is why I dont trust paid reviews of anything even movies. 
    I mostly come here to mmorpg for opinions on games and for reviews. I will read reviews here about games I am interested in and especially read comments and see what various people think.  I don't always agree with everyone but there's lots of people here with a wide spectrum of views...other than that I mostly watch youtube/twitch game play videos and decide to give it a go, or not, and try for myself  and make up my mind like that.

    Now we can get a little arghh grrr! However we generally settle down by ourselves and sometimes leave with a different perspective and sometimes with a changed opinion and guess what?

    Most of us do it without resorting to spamming the "report button". I mean beyond a few like the lol machine whom we have all learned to accept and a few others it's generally a pleasant place to discourse.

    That said I don't bother with game review sites or game journalist much...about the only time I will go to such places is if I am trying to get a beta key or something. lol

    Point is has IGN and Gamespot been such a cringefest for long? 

    Jebus I know twitter is shitty but really I would have thought big names like IGN and Gamespot would be a tad more professional.

    It sad as hell.... no integrity or ability to follow their own ideals.

    I watch thequartering sometimes most of his video do not interest me and I do not always agree with him....he just some guy on youtube to me however I have seen enough of his video to know he  does not condone hating on people for the color of their skin, for their gender and does not condone his followers "dogpiling" or harassing the people he makes videos about.

    He is critical however and and has his own opinion on thing but who doesn't? 

    Geez is it a wonder people make so much fun about "game journalist".....
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  • Odi101Odi101 Member UncommonPosts: 54
    remsleep said:
    Odi101 said:
    Knowing there's a sizable day 0 patch I have ignored all reviews, so I wouldn't have read a rushed review anyway lol. Good on you for stating you won't be rushing it, even after you get your hands on a copy.

    The 47Gb patch is there... the real question is ...what did it fix, because I couldn't tell.

    Still broken dialog in the middle of the sentence, still getting stuck and need to reload, still massive glitches - floating clothes, floating guns... sheesh, what did it fix? 

    People still believe in a miracle patch this close to launch?

    Maybe there is another 50Gb patch coming lol
    Well, I didn't play early for one. I wasn't able to play until Wednesday night. So, I have no idea what all these bugs and glitches were. Hadn't watched any pre-release reviews/game footage/etc.

    What I can say after only about 6 hours in is that yes, I've seen a couple bugs, such as a few random npcs not moving their lips when they're speaking, a random npc in the club stuck in T-pose, and the target reticule not actually being on an object when it highlights on the screen, but I haven't encountered anything game breaking, and sure haven't been stuck on anything.

    I'm not even running the latest-greatest hardware. I have a RTX 2070 Super, Ryzen 7-3700x, and an Nvme SSD, and I'm running RTX on and all settings on high or ultra, and I don't seem to be getting any frame drops........yet.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Odi101 said:
    remsleep said:
    Odi101 said:
    Knowing there's a sizable day 0 patch I have ignored all reviews, so I wouldn't have read a rushed review anyway lol. Good on you for stating you won't be rushing it, even after you get your hands on a copy.

    The 47Gb patch is there... the real question is ...what did it fix, because I couldn't tell.

    Still broken dialog in the middle of the sentence, still getting stuck and need to reload, still massive glitches - floating clothes, floating guns... sheesh, what did it fix? 

    People still believe in a miracle patch this close to launch?

    Maybe there is another 50Gb patch coming lol
    Well, I didn't play early for one. I wasn't able to play until Wednesday night. So, I have no idea what all these bugs and glitches were. Hadn't watched any pre-release reviews/game footage/etc.

    What I can say after only about 6 hours in is that yes, I've seen a couple bugs, such as a few random npcs not moving their lips when they're speaking, a random npc in the club stuck in T-pose, and the target reticule not actually being on an object when it highlights on the screen, but I haven't encountered anything game breaking, and sure haven't been stuck on anything.

    I'm not even running the latest-greatest hardware. I have a RTX 2070 Super, Ryzen 7-3700x, and an Nvme SSD, and I'm running RTX on and all settings on high or ultra, and I don't seem to be getting any frame drops........yet.
    I have the same GPS and CPU as you and my experience is exactly the same after many more hours in: a few graphics glitch oddities with objects and NPCs but that's it for bugs for me too.
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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    I'm running the game on a 7700k with a 1080ti @1440p. Game runs awesome so far, I was expecting troubles because of all the internet hubub.

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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 5,062
    laserit said:
    I'm running the game on a 7700k with a 1080ti @1440p. Game runs awesome so far, I was expecting troubles because of all the internet hubub.
    It runs absolutely great on current gen hardware. Got a 8750, 1070gtx 8gb, 32gb and SSD and run it at max without RTX. I remember how Witcher 3 was a slideshow for me at launch, especially with the silly hair feature.

    /Cheers,
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