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Graphics card in the $300 range?

MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member EpicPosts: 3,401
A friend of mine who is a moderate gamer wants to upgrade his graphics card.  He plans to spend around $300.  What do you guys recommend?

Thanks!

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,926
    A friend of mine who is a moderate gamer wants to upgrade his graphics card.  He plans to spend around $300.  What do you guys recommend?

    Thanks!
    What does he have now?

    $300 is nVidia 2060 territory.
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  • XodicXodic Member EpicPosts: 1,257
    edited November 2020
    1080ti, $299 on eBay. 100% positive feedback seller, 22 hours left.

    https://www.ebay.com/p/23031094619?iid=303770883547

    Now that I'm actually looking, there are a lot of positive feedback sellers selling video cards for cheap on eBay.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 22,650
    If he wants a new card right now, then a Radeon RX 5600 XT is by far the best you're going to find on a strict $300 budget.  If you buy an older card used, you risk ending up with one that spent a year mining Ethereum around the clock and is on its last legs.

    Unfortunately, this isn't really the best time to look for a new video card in that price range.  AMD and Nvidia both seem to have discontinued all of the cards that you'd want, so they're disappearing.  Meanwhile, the new generation of cards hasn't yet made it down to the $300 range, and the higher end cards have had a very soft launch, so you mostly can't buy them even if you're willing to pay MSRP.

    On the Nvidia side, the GeForce RTX 3000 series cards that have launched so far all cost $500 and up.  The RTX 3070 had a soft launch, and the RTX 3080 and 3090 had a much softer launch to the extent of barely existing.  The 3080 and 3090 both rely on GDDR6X memory that still isn't in full production.

    On the AMD side, three bins of the new big Navi GPU will launch in two days, but those are all $580 and up.  And they'll probably also be a soft launch for quite some time, as they have limited 7 nm wafer capacity at TSMC, and a wafer of Zen 3 CPU chiplets will sell for several times as much as one of GPUs.

    Eventually, they'll both have new cards in the $300 range that are considerably better than the Radeon RX 5600 XT.  But the launches are probably at least weeks if not months away, and real availability may not come until well after launch.  So if he waits for that, he might well be waiting several months.  But that wait could easily net him 50% more performance on the same budget, as well as newer features.
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  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,143
    edited November 2020
    I just went through the same thing a couple of weeks ago and settled on a 5600XT.

    it’s a crappy time to by buying mid range, or high range even...
    Torval
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 20,631
    Ridelynn said:
    I just went through the same thing a couple of weeks ago and settled on a 5600XT.

    it’s a crappy time to by buying mid range, or high range even...

    It's been a rough year for getting parts at decent prices, or even just what you want for a premium price.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 22,650
    Torval said:

    It's been a rough year
    One could argue that the rest of the sentence was superfluous.
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  • LonesolsLonesols Member UncommonPosts: 41
    edited November 2020
    It honestly depends on what they play, with cross platform on almost all games now a days, for 300 bucks it would be better to wait for a Xbox series x or ps5. The Xbox series x let you use a mouse and keyboard. Even if they made a 3060 it still wouldn't be as good as one of those consoles. Unless you have a 3070 plus with a 5.2ghz intel or new amd, or play a specific old pc game, I don't see much reason to go with a old video card due to stock issues. 

    The Playstation 4 pro and xbox x are better than a 5600 or a 1660 ti. Unless you want to do high fps gaming, which u aren't doing for 300 dollars. 

    You can actually do keyboard and mouse on the ps4 pro with a 3rd party thing and naturally with the xbox. I have all of them, and a gaming computer. I often question why I spent so much on the gaming computer haha. 

    It is only useful for specific things, so if you arent doing those specific things than its a waste of money. I once put bf5 side by side with my 1080ti vs ps4 pro and xbox x, the differnce were so small I couldn't tell unless I tried hard, of course that was 60 fps gaming. 

    I honestly don't see any reason to have a low end gaming computer with a xbox x being like 200 bucks, and the ps4 pro 200 bucks or less. With adding in when everything comes back into stock a xbox series x and ps5 for 500. If you took a 3070 pc and a xbox series x same game 4k 60fps it would be so hard to tell the differnce it wouldn't be worth talking about.

    Its not like the difference between say a low end led or even a high end led, and a oled tv, or 7.2 dolby atmos with klipsch speakers, vs a low end sound bar. Its like the difference between a cx oled and a c9 oled. 
  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 7,536
    Don't ever buy a used graphic card. They are almost certainly from mining operations and on their way out. It will probably die the minute you install it in your system.
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  • LonesolsLonesols Member UncommonPosts: 41
    cheyane said:
    Don't ever buy a used graphic card. They are almost certainly from mining operations and on their way out. It will probably die the minute you install it in your system.
    They usually specify in the eBay auction if they are. You can tell if they are mining they have a bunch for sale in thier history. I've sold many cards on ebay, and they probably still use it. Graphics cards last a long time, so that just sounds like you didn't read the auction and got burned once. If what you described happened ebay would give your money back. 

    Thats like saying don't buy a use car because every used car was ran max rpm.
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  • VrikaVrika Member EpicPosts: 6,694
    Lonesols said:
    cheyane said:
    Don't ever buy a used graphic card. They are almost certainly from mining operations and on their way out. It will probably die the minute you install it in your system.
    They usually specify in the eBay auction if they are. You can tell if they are mining they have a bunch for sale in thier history. I've sold many cards on ebay, and they probably still use it. Graphics cards last a long time, so that just sounds like you didn't read the auction and got burned once. If what you described happened ebay would give your money back. 

    Thats like saying don't buy a use car because every used car was ran max rpm.
    Some sellers tell honestly that it's been used for mining, but the seller does not have any responsibility to tell that, and a lot of the time they won't because it would decrease the price they get.

    Imho whenever you buy used GPU you should assume that it's been used in mining and decide the price you're willing to pay accordingly. They can be good purchases, but only if you get it significantly cheaper than a new GPU would be.
     
  • LonesolsLonesols Member UncommonPosts: 41
    Vrika said:
    Lonesols said:
    cheyane said:
    Don't ever buy a used graphic card. They are almost certainly from mining operations and on their way out. It will probably die the minute you install it in your system.
    They usually specify in the eBay auction if they are. You can tell if they are mining they have a bunch for sale in thier history. I've sold many cards on ebay, and they probably still use it. Graphics cards last a long time, so that just sounds like you didn't read the auction and got burned once. If what you described happened ebay would give your money back. 

    Thats like saying don't buy a use car because every used car was ran max rpm.
    Some sellers tell honestly that it's been used for mining, but the seller does not have any responsibility to tell that, and a lot of the time they won't because it would decrease the price they get.

    Imho whenever you buy used GPU you should assume that it's been used in mining and decide the price you're willing to pay accordingly. They can be good purchases, but only if you get it significantly cheaper than a new GPU would be.
    Looks like you guys are starting a tend lol. As I said its easy to tell, look at the history if the person sold 15 graphics cards then yep mining, if they sold random cards from 1060 to 2080, they aren't miners. As if its cheaper than new cards, there aren't any new cards. There is no where to buy a 3070, unless you want to spend 1000 bucks. 

    You guys must live in a world where you think every one is trying to scam you, and everything is a scam.

    The first one i pulled up was a guy with 3 feed back and has been a member since 2016, a 2070 super, it def isn't a mining card. 

    Here's the next one.

    MSI G207S-GX GeForce RTX 2070 Pci-e X16 Super Gaming X Graphics Card. Condition is "Used". Shipped with UPS.

    Memory size 8GB 256-Bit GDDR6
    Boost Clock 1800 MHz
    1 x HDMI 2.0b 3 x DisplayPort 1.4
    2560 CUDA Cores
    PCI Express 3.0 x16

    Used for 2 months. Never overclocked. Near mint condition.

    Signature Required.


    been a member since 2014, also bought stuff that definitely isn't a mining card. 

    Not to mention not all cards are even used for mining it is specific ones. Its like anything if you have no idea what your doing yep some one might take advantage, to go to the extreme from that and go every single person on the planet selling graphics cards is a bit coin miner is boarding paranoia. 
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,143
    You are right - not every used card is a bad deal.

    But there are enough bad apples in that barrel to where most people don’t recommend it. You don’t have any recourse if you do get a bad Apple: long odds on getting the seller to accept a return and no warranty support.

    That’s all - nothing personal. YMMV, and it is a good way to save a bit of cash, it just carries a good deal of risk with it.
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  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member EpicPosts: 4,435
    edited November 2020
    Personally when bought my GTX 1080, I was on a budget and got a used one. I checked the guy's profile, and even contacted him before deciding. He seemed like a genuine guy (looking to upgrade and replied more than once), and so I bought it.

    Been using it for 2 years now. No issues. 
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  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,297
    edited November 2020
    Used nVidia cards should be alright. It's the RX 470/80 and RX 570/80 that you need to look out for, especially the 8gb models.
    We are about to see another massive buy for mining cards soon given that crypto has doubled in value recently. The Rtx 3000 series cards will probably be the ones targeted. 
  • CuddleheartCuddleheart Member UncommonPosts: 189
    I really hate to hyjack this thread, but I was checking ebay prices for this thread and I noticed that while 2080ti cards have tanked in price to $600, the 2070 super is still really high.  I figured that since the 3060 would outperform it, it would have taken a bigger hit in used prices.  Anyone know why?
  • remsleepremsleep Member EpicPosts: 1,718
    Buying PC parts at this time has turned into a meme - there is simply no inventory for anything decent (like Nvidia 3000s, AMD ryzen 5000 and AMD 6800s) 

    what a joke
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  • VrikaVrika Member EpicPosts: 6,694
    I really hate to hyjack this thread, but I was checking ebay prices for this thread and I noticed that while 2080ti cards have tanked in price to $600, the 2070 super is still really high.  I figured that since the 3060 would outperform it, it would have taken a bigger hit in used prices.  Anyone know why?
    Ebay prices will come down once people who have bought new generation GPUs start flooding the used card market with 20xx cards. With how limited production numbers are, you'll likely have to wait until after Christmas for that to happen.
     
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 22,650
    Cleffy said:
    Used nVidia cards should be alright. It's the RX 470/80 and RX 570/80 that you need to look out for, especially the 8gb models.
    We are about to see another massive buy for mining cards soon given that crypto has doubled in value recently. The Rtx 3000 series cards will probably be the ones targeted. 
    That depends enormously on which cryptocurrency they're buying parts for.  Bitmain made an ASIC for Ethereum, so I'd expect that to beat any GPUs on that particular cryptocurrency.  That's the one that drove the GPU mining craze a couple of years ago.
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 18,364
    edited November 2020
    If my memory serves me,not often lol,LTT was saying the mining cards are not the same as the regular cards and are MUCH cheaper.
    It was during an episode where he was trying to see if he can get a mining card to work as a normal card because nVidia said you can't.

    Ok didn't take me long ,found it,so the idea is that mining specific cards are just cheaper,so it wouldn't make any sense for someone to buy a card to mine and spend more to do it than needed.I don't remember the result of the test but i think they got it working but jumped through some hoops.


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