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Ryzen 5000 Series - Launched Today - Better than Intel at everything (pretty much)

AmazingAveryAmazingAvery Age of Conan AdvocateMember UncommonPosts: 7,188
edited November 2020 in Hardware



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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 3,884
    It's a huge paper launch boys an gals......

    Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.





  • xpsyncxpsync Member EpicPosts: 1,852
    edited November 2020
    Driving past a computer store on my way into work, a line up around the block!

    Now i know why.
    Your legend ends here and now! - (Battles Won Long Ago)

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  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,053
    Sold out on Newegg in about an hour.
  • xpsyncxpsync Member EpicPosts: 1,852
    Forgrimm said:
    Sold out on Newegg in about an hour.

    Wholly chit! That line up this morning must be reserved.
    Your legend ends here and now! - (Battles Won Long Ago)

    Remember your ABC's, Always Be Casting! - Preheat 2021

    Currently Playing; WOW, SWG:L

  • AmazingAveryAmazingAvery Age of Conan AdvocateMember UncommonPosts: 7,188
    Managed to score a 5900x :)
    Kyleran[Deleted User]QuizzicalForgrimm



  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 40,766
    Gear heads..

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 24,444
    And now you see why AMD thought they could hike prices by $50.

    I'm also happy that I can upgrade my 2700X to one of these without needing a new motherboard.  As CPU advances slow, this is likely the last huge CPU upgrade that will ever be possible without needing a new motherboard.

    Your move, Intel.  Rocket Lake suddenly looks a whole lot less interesting.
    [Deleted User]
  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,053
    I'm interested in the 5600X to replace my dated i5 4590. Waiting on some more benchmarks to come out and for inventory to stabilize but everything I've seen so far looks good.
    [Deleted User]rojoArcueid
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 24,444
    Asm0deus said:
    It's a huge paper launch boys an gals......
    It might be a soft launch, but it's not going to be a paper launch.  As they're small dies on what are now mature process nodes, AMD had no reason to choose a launch date before they had placed a massive order for wafers from TSMC, so they know how many CPUs they have incoming and how soon.  CPUs are small and don't require a zillion other parts the way that GPUs do, so it's very unlikely that they'll have delays because they can't get enough memory chips or VRMs or something.  Motherboard shortages are more plausible, at least for those building new rather than trying to upgrade.

    AMD is going to crank out a ton of these CPUs in a hurry.  With a clear, market-leading part, they don't have to worry about overproducing chips that they can't sell because they thought they'd have 10% market share and only end up with 5%.  It also helps that the CPU chiplets are shared with their upcoming EPYC Milan CPUs--which are also going to be awesome.  Intel's server division is in serious trouble, as even if Milan is just Rome with better CPU chiplets, that's going to crush Intel in just about everything outside of the 8-socket and low end (Xeon Bronze) markets where AMD doesn't care to compete at the moment.
    Timukas
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 24,444
    A quick history of great x86 CPUs of the last 30 years:

    Intel Pentium Pro (1995)
    AMD Athlon 64 (2003)
    Intel Conroe (first Core 2 Duo) (2006)
    Intel Sandy Bridge (2011)
    AMD Zen 3 (2020)

    Yes, really.  It's that good.  It's been quite a while since we've seen this kind of a generational leap in what a CPU can do.
    [Deleted User]
  • hupahupa Member UncommonPosts: 130
    I ordered a 5900X two minutes after they became available but I was too late. And seems they get new stock in late december. I hope my Ryzen 1600 is enough for Cyberpunk.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 24,444
    hupa said:
    I ordered a 5900X two minutes after they became available but I was too late. And seems they get new stock in late december. I hope my Ryzen 1600 is enough for Cyberpunk.
    Note that if you have a 300 series chipset on your motherboard, you can't upgrade it to a Ryzen 5000 series CPU.  If you have 400 series chipset, the motherboard BIOS update needed is likely to be available early next year, but not until then.  At the moment, only 500 series chipsets are supported, and even those need a BIOS update.
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,380
    Quizzical said:
    Asm0deus said:
    It's a huge paper launch boys an gals......
    It might be a soft launch, but it's not going to be a paper launch...
    Some availability info from Finnish retailer verkkokauppa.com:

    They received more than 100 units of Ryzen 5600X and those are still on stock.

    They received 20 units of Ryzen 5900X, and no units at all of Ryzen 5950X or 5800X.

    This is only for one retailer, but it looks like it's a very mixed launch with AMD being able to bring lot of Ryzen 5600X to stores, but better models being even rarer NVidia's new GPUs.
     
  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 3,884
    edited November 2020
    Quizzical said:
    Asm0deus said:
    It's a huge paper launch boys an gals......
    It might be a soft launch, but it's not going to be a paper launch.  As they're small dies on what are now mature process nodes, AMD had no reason to choose a launch date before they had placed a massive order for wafers from TSMC, so they know how many CPUs they have incoming and how soon.  CPUs are small and don't require a zillion other parts the way that GPUs do, so it's very unlikely that they'll have delays because they can't get enough memory chips or VRMs or something.  Motherboard shortages are more plausible, at least for those building new rather than trying to upgrade.

    AMD is going to crank out a ton of these CPUs in a hurry.  With a clear, market-leading part, they don't have to worry about overproducing chips that they can't sell because they thought they'd have 10% market share and only end up with 5%.  It also helps that the CPU chiplets are shared with their upcoming EPYC Milan CPUs--which are also going to be awesome.  Intel's server division is in serious trouble, as even if Milan is just Rome with better CPU chiplets, that's going to crush Intel in just about everything outside of the 8-socket and low end (Xeon Bronze) markets where AMD doesn't care to compete at the moment.

    It certainly going to be a soft launch however I speak from a Canadian POV and believe or not amazon.ca had zero ryzen 5k cpu's today for sale and only a few on amazon.com.

    Some places like ME and CC had some stock but decided it was in store sales only, cancelled the online sales and one guy, on a reddit for Canadians looking for deals/stock etc was like, "oh wow they had quite a bit of stock in one of the Montreal stores (he was there in person inline behind 20 others) they had like a whole whopping eight 5800x in stock, one 5900x etc".

    Those that managed to get the combo deal of 5600x/5800x and a b550 board (from ME) are pre-orders only that are also OOS with the pre-orders some of them not getting in the next batch before the next 2 weeks.


    Dunno but if you (AMD) have grand opening and have places like mentioned above for Canadian retailers and they have like less than double digits in stock I can't really say that a launch and it feels like a paper launch considering amazon didn't even have any at all and according to support they are still in the procurement stage so can't say when they will have some available.

    This clusterfudge of a launch doesn't bode well for their gpu launch. It's quite vexxing lol since I am tired of my old i5 750.......LOL

    Some of the guys were told the 5900x and above cpu's were going to be quite limited for awhile....

    EDIT: Here's an exact quote:

    Got a 5950x from cc broadway. They had 1 5950x, 1 5900x, 2 5800x, and 6 5600x. I lined up at 3am.


    Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.





  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,390
    You don't want to get the first batch. There tend to be issues that are corrected in subsequent batches.
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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 3,884
    edited November 2020
    Aye I get that however I was hoping to have a build for around Xmas but I guess that not going to happen unless something changes drasticly.

    That said it gives me more time to ponder which I want to go with,  MSI x570 tomahawk or Asus ROG Strix x570-E gaming...to go with a 5800x.

    Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.





  • BrotherMaynardBrotherMaynard Member RarePosts: 382
    Very good! Now only to wait for the new Radeon reviews and I can start making decisions. Who knows, this time it could be my first all-AMD build.

    Six years old PC, my Intel 4790K has served well, but now is the right time to move on.
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,719
    Forgrimm said:
    I'm interested in the 5600X to replace my dated i5 4590. Waiting on some more benchmarks to come out and for inventory to stabilize but everything I've seen so far looks good.

    Same here, my i5 4690 is just sad in 2020. 4 core/ 4 thread is a thing of the past. Got my eyes on that Ryzen 5k sweetness.
    Forgrimm




  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 2,144
    Quizzical said:
    And now you see why AMD thought they could hike prices by $50.

    I'm also happy that I can upgrade my 2700X to one of these without needing a new motherboard.  As CPU advances slow, this is likely the last huge CPU upgrade that will ever be possible without needing a new motherboard.

    Your move, Intel.  Rocket Lake suddenly looks a whole lot less interesting.

    refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh!
    Asm0deus
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 24,444
    Quizzical said:
    And now you see why AMD thought they could hike prices by $50.

    I'm also happy that I can upgrade my 2700X to one of these without needing a new motherboard.  As CPU advances slow, this is likely the last huge CPU upgrade that will ever be possible without needing a new motherboard.

    Your move, Intel.  Rocket Lake suddenly looks a whole lot less interesting.

    refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh!
    Rocket Lake is not Sky Lake Refresh Refresh Refresh Refresh Refresh.  Rather, it's a mix of the Ice Lake CPU and the Tiger Lake GPU backported from 10 nm to 14 nm.  Trying to use the newer architectures on an older process node that they were never intended for is not going to end well.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 24,444
    Asm0deus said:
    Aye I get that however I was hoping to have a build for around Xmas but I guess that not going to happen unless something changes drasticly.

    That said it gives me more time to ponder which I want to go with,  MSI x570 tomahawk or Asus ROG Strix x570-E gaming...to go with a 5800x.
    The new Ryzen 5000 series CPUs will be in stock near MSRP sooner rather than later.  The only part of them that is new (other than trivial things like box artwork) is the CPU chiplet, and those are small dies on a mature process node that AMD already has a ton of experience with.  That makes them low risk, but it also means that one wafer can produce many CPUs, and that means an enormous amount of profit per wafer--easily several times what AMD gets from GPU wafers, let alone consoles.  If they can't get as many wafers from TSMC as they'd like, they'll prioritize Zen 3 chiplets.

    I'm going to predict that:

    1)  The 5600X, 5800X, and 5900X will all be widely available near MSRP within a month.  The 5950X may take longer, depending on yields, as it's possible that very few chiplets can hit the required bin just yet.

    2)  The price hike is only a temporary early-adopter tax.  Within six months, AMD will be selling Zen 3-based CPUs with 8 cores for $300 and 6 cores for $200.  Those might not be the 5800X and 5600X, respectively; it could easily be a lower bin that knocks 200 MHz or so off the clock speed.  But AMD will want Zen 3 to dominate the mid-range, at least as soon as they clear whatever remaining Zen 2 inventory they have.

    3)  Within a year, you'll be able to buy a Zen 3-based APU with four CPU cores for around $100.  The GPU in it will probably be small and low end, even compared to the Ryzen Moble 4000 series.  But AMD is going to want the sub-$200 market, too.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 24,444
    Forgrimm said:
    I'm interested in the 5600X to replace my dated i5 4590. Waiting on some more benchmarks to come out and for inventory to stabilize but everything I've seen so far looks good.

    Same here, my i5 4690 is just sad in 2020. 4 core/ 4 thread is a thing of the past. Got my eyes on that Ryzen 5k sweetness.
    If a CPU worked well for you for six years before you felt the need to upgrade it, that's pretty good.
    rojoArcueid
  • SandmanjwSandmanjw Member RarePosts: 490
    Looks like that $299.00 5600X is going to be the go to for straight gamers. That thing performed exceptionally well in the gaming part of the reviews.

    The 5800X looked good as well as an non top of the line all arounder.

    Good on AMD for making some top of the line chips and putting Intel under the gun.

     
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,719
    edited November 2020
    Quizzical said:
    Forgrimm said:
    I'm interested in the 5600X to replace my dated i5 4590. Waiting on some more benchmarks to come out and for inventory to stabilize but everything I've seen so far looks good.

    Same here, my i5 4690 is just sad in 2020. 4 core/ 4 thread is a thing of the past. Got my eyes on that Ryzen 5k sweetness.
    If a CPU worked well for you for six years before you felt the need to upgrade it, that's pretty good.

    I've felt the limitations of that CPU for quite a while on modern games but it did work well for the majority of my games which are older games.




  • botrytisbotrytis Member RarePosts: 3,363
    To take advantage of Infinity Cache, you will want 4 modules of ram.



    The guy is an idiot - it is 'INFINITY FABRIC' not cache. Infinity cache is on the next gen AMD video cards.


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