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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 4,249
    <snip>
    In the end the developers still lose, because they banned paying players who actually enjoyed the game.
    Let's be careful about accusing people of enjoying this game.  :*



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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member EpicPosts: 10,796
    Mendel said:
    <snip>
    In the end the developers still lose, because they banned paying players who actually enjoyed the game.
    Let's be careful about accusing people of enjoying this game.  :*



    that's fair haha :smiley:



  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member EpicPosts: 2,077
    My concern now is if they screwed up on something like this how about security?
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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,141
    Just another Video Game developer with developers as bad as Albion Online, basically Dual Universe a game not worth playing since they are going to ban users for finding a bug and attempting to report it during an Alpha / Beta test, there is obviously a reason why there is testing.
    GdemamiKyleran
  • SandmanjwSandmanjw Member UncommonPosts: 327
    Renoaku said:
    Just another Video Game developer with developers as bad as Albion Online, basically Dual Universe a game not worth playing since they are going to ban users for finding a bug and attempting to report it during an Alpha / Beta test, there is obviously a reason why there is testing.
    How in the world can someone taking a building apart and keeping it, ever be called finding a bug and attempting to report it?

    You sure you do not work for EA? Last time i heard that kind of logic was when an EA executive tried to call loot boxes "surprise mechanics".


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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,141
    Sandmanjw said:
    Renoaku said:
    Just another Video Game developer with developers as bad as Albion Online, basically Dual Universe a game not worth playing since they are going to ban users for finding a bug and attempting to report it during an Alpha / Beta test, there is obviously a reason why there is testing.
    How in the world can someone taking a building apart and keeping it, ever be called finding a bug and attempting to report it?

    You sure you do not work for EA? Last time i heard that kind of logic was when an EA executive tried to call loot boxes "surprise mechanics".


    I mean if the developers aren't going to respond, sometimes you gotta tear down a building since it's a building game (Who cares) it's in testing, and the developers would have noticed and should have just spawned a new one with a bug fix no big deal.
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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member LegendaryPosts: 7,451
    I'm not testing the game, but what is the official means of reporting bugs? Last time I tested a game, REDDIT was NOT one of the bug reporting platforms. Actually, a game I'm currently testing now has an IN GAME bug report feature. That is where you report bugs. Not Discord, not Reddit, not 3rd party gaming forums.
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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member EpicPosts: 10,796
    Rhoklaw said:
    I'm not testing the game, but what is the official means of reporting bugs? Last time I tested a game, REDDIT was NOT one of the bug reporting platforms. Actually, a game I'm currently testing now has an IN GAME bug report feature. That is where you report bugs. Not Discord, not Reddit, not 3rd party gaming forums.
    Reddit may not be, but they didn't just contact them on reddit, apparently they attempted to contact them on discord too. Believe it or not some companies do utilize discord as an official way to contact developers on issues. 

    While I'm not saying that this is the case for dual universe, but still, let's be honest in 2020, developers are often active on all communities. The reason the team freaked out is because they found the post on reddit.. a place where they seem to be quite active. 

    Some teams respond directly to tweets now, taken as bug reports. 


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  • SandmanjwSandmanjw Member UncommonPosts: 327
    All this nonsense all boils down to, do NOT use exploits.....

    SIMPLE.........................

    Report it or not it is the same thing, do NOT use exploits....

    All the other nonsense and false tears are just covering up for the fact that some people are entitled cream puffs that think there should never be any consequences for their actions.   


    Kyleran
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 37,036
    edited October 2020
    Rhoklaw said:
    I'm not testing the game, but what is the official means of reporting bugs? Last time I tested a game, REDDIT was NOT one of the bug reporting platforms. Actually, a game I'm currently testing now has an IN GAME bug report feature. That is where you report bugs. Not Discord, not Reddit, not 3rd party gaming forums.
    Reddit may not be, but they didn't just contact them on reddit, apparently they attempted to contact them on discord too. Believe it or not some companies do utilize discord as an official way to contact developers on issues. 

    While I'm not saying that this is the case for dual universe, but still, let's be honest in 2020, developers are often active on all communities. The reason the team freaked out is because they found the post on reddit.. a place where they seem to be quite active. 

    Some teams respond directly to tweets now, taken as bug reports. 


    Been my experience more dev teams ignore reddit almost completely, COE, CU, Pantheon and even Ashes, rarely is a post found by a dev team member.

    My guess is too much unfiltered noise for most to bother with.




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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member EpicPosts: 10,796
    Kyleran said:
    Rhoklaw said:
    I'm not testing the game, but what is the official means of reporting bugs? Last time I tested a game, REDDIT was NOT one of the bug reporting platforms. Actually, a game I'm currently testing now has an IN GAME bug report feature. That is where you report bugs. Not Discord, not Reddit, not 3rd party gaming forums.
    Reddit may not be, but they didn't just contact them on reddit, apparently they attempted to contact them on discord too. Believe it or not some companies do utilize discord as an official way to contact developers on issues. 

    While I'm not saying that this is the case for dual universe, but still, let's be honest in 2020, developers are often active on all communities. The reason the team freaked out is because they found the post on reddit.. a place where they seem to be quite active. 

    Some teams respond directly to tweets now, taken as bug reports. 


    Been my experience more dev teams ignore reddit almost completely, COE, CU, Pantheon and even Ashes, rarely is a post found by a dev team member.

    My guess is too much unfiltered noise for most to bother with.




    It's pretty clear from their response they pay attention to the reddit and responded in the thread. I know several other teams do as well. 

    I was surprised when Crystal Dynamics pushed everyone to the discord to input bugs and began responding in reddit threads with fix information. 



  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 7,895
    edited October 2020
    Can't people just play a game anymore without being total dirtbags?
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  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 6,293
    edited October 2020
    Were these testers volunteers or they paid to test the game. I think that if they paid to test the game they may have some redress on this ban.

    If the developers didn't want the testers to break things they should have clearly set those terms out in their testing contract. As much as one can say there are some unspoken rules in situations like this where they were after all testing a game the bounds of testing have to be clearly set out.
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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member LegendaryPosts: 7,451
    kitarad said:
    Were these testers volunteers or they paid to test the game. I think that if they paid to test the game they may have some redress on this ban.

    If the developers didn't want the testers to break things they should have clearly set those terms out in their testing contract. As much as one can say there are some unspoken rules in situations like this where they were after all testing a game the bounds of testing have to be clearly set out.
    Have you ever been a tester for a game? Were you ever told that once you find a bug or exploit to report it immediately, but after that feel free to continue using said bug or exploit to your hearts content? I surely hope you say no, because the people in question did not. In fact according to the Devs, the point made was that it probably took these players hours to dismantle the marketplace which means they intentionally kept abusing the bug / exploit. That is NOT how you test a game, sorry.
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  • illutianillutian Member UncommonPosts: 303
    Imagine banning people for breaking shit in an alpha/beta.
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  • SandmanjwSandmanjw Member UncommonPosts: 327
    illutian said:
    Imagine banning people for breaking shit in an alpha/beta.
    And more nonsense, in alpha, beta, or release, it is all the same. Find bug and report it or not, but using that bug over and over and over will get you banned in almost every game i have ever participated in.

    These morons sat there for hours and took the whole building so the dev's would have to spend time to replace it and no one else could use it.

    That is not playing a game, nor is it testing anything other than how to be malicious jerks.




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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 4,024
    Sandmanjw said:
    illutian said:
    Imagine banning people for breaking shit in an alpha/beta.
    And more nonsense, in alpha, beta, or release, it is all the same. Find bug and report it or not, but using that bug over and over and over will get you banned in almost every game i have ever participated in.

    These morons sat there for hours and took the whole building so the dev's would have to spend time to replace it and no one else could use it.

    That is not playing a game, nor is it testing anything other than how to be malicious jerks.




    I don’t understand why people don’t get this. They didn’t just find a bug, they wrecked the place.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
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    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • Raistlin3786Raistlin3786 Member UncommonPosts: 14
    It feels like this for me. A large department store leaves its doors unlocked. People report it to them but they don't come back to lock it. Two days later it is looted and razed to the ground. All they had to do was leave it alone after reporting. Anything beyond that is malicious and was done so knowing it would take time to replace it. So anyone else playing the game legit and that was using that marketplace is screwed as well until they get it remade. They did it knowingly, maliciously, and went down laughing about it. This wasn't just some overzealous testing.
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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 4,249
    lahnmir said:
    Sandmanjw said:
    illutian said:
    Imagine banning people for breaking shit in an alpha/beta.
    And more nonsense, in alpha, beta, or release, it is all the same. Find bug and report it or not, but using that bug over and over and over will get you banned in almost every game i have ever participated in.

    These morons sat there for hours and took the whole building so the dev's would have to spend time to replace it and no one else could use it.

    That is not playing a game, nor is it testing anything other than how to be malicious jerks.




    I don’t understand why people don’t get this. They didn’t just find a bug, they wrecked the place.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir

    The players may have dismantled the functionality, but they certainly demonstrated just how deep (and fundamental) the bug actually was.

    The players found a bug and probed its limits, and the whole construct fell down like a house of cards.  Banning was completely the wrong action.  Those involved should have been thanked for pointing out a serious systemic problem in change management at the very least.  After all, the players could have said nothing, and this problem could have occurred after the game was 'live' (if it isn't already).



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