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Chris Roberts is super serious about providing better communication on SQ42 - pinky promise
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And what's with the excuse that they can't provide certain updates as it would spoil the story? How about just use non spoilery code words for those things?
This guy is a master of using a lot of words to essentially reveal nothing. and their improvements to communication is being done to avoid providing anymore expected delivery dates.
Ahh well, good times, lets see where this thread takes us.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Being the best amongst a pile of turds doesn't make your game much of anything except best of the turds.
I also guarantee I GET IT,I get everything,I have paid attention the past 30 years of gaming,i know how devs act,talk and what is likely to happen and what is likely NOT to happen.
A game developer lead will NEVER ,not a million years give you the full honest answer.
This is the same dude who put ships for sale at 20 thousands dollars and your going to take his word for ANYTHING?The guy is a con artist ,a scammer,a BS'r.
https://kotaku.com/star-citizen-now-has-a-27-000-ship-pack-1826404455
Sorry I was wrong it wasn't 20k it was 27k lmao and best of all he tried to hide it from the public eye and only showed it to those that had spent 2k or more.It was like a form of the hidden whale's cult.
When a guy has such lack of respect for the people supporting his game and such low class moral values that he would seriously STEAL money from people he gets ZERO respect from me.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Listen, if you think the game will be here in 5 years or less with everything promised you are kidding yourself, I say 10 years minimum. I play it once a year with my same package from 2012? 13? The game is only about 15% - 20% done. I'm being generous.
So 8-10 more years...That means 20+ total years of development.. LMAO, what?? Are they building God?
Even then in 10 years, games that aren't even on paper right now will be on their second games, and games like NMS and Elite will be fully realized universes with all the features and then some promised by SC.
Shit even if it's 5-7 years, new tech will come out and make this game obsolete and then what.. switch gears to keep up with new tech.. ahh.. we need more time guys.. 5 more years... haha oh, man. I don't see how anybody can buy into this bullshit for SO LONG.
Not to mention a lot of its backers are older dudes.. some are not going to live to see the game release, harsh reality. This is from a Youtube video about the state of SC right now.
...Look, do yourself a favor and find a new game. This one is dead in the water. This isn't a doom and gloom thing, it's a real thing. I'm being honest, look at it. They spent your money already but you keep giving them more and all you have to show for it is a half-assed decade-old Alpha.
They don't really care to finish the game cause they got paid already. They can walk away right now but the money is too good... It's too easy to sell a dream to gullible men.
This game is going to down as the biggest failure not only in gaming history but crowdfunding history. Its failure is going to be the death of crowdfunded games watch and see. The writing is on the wall.
I Remember when yall ran Derek Smart off the site but he was telling the truth all along...CR has BEEN spending your money, there is a paper trail one needs to only look.
Before you get too emotional, take an inventory of what's in the game right now, what's not in the game yet, and what is still being promised. You can figure it out for yourself.
SC if completed will take another decade to fulfill what is being promised. WHEN not if...but WHEN tech changes between now and 2030, the game will more than likely have another rebuild to keep up with the times... it's a never-ending cycle.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
He is smart though, its not an illegal scam as he is actually "developing" a product gullible people threw money at. He is just smartly milking said money by sly words, over promise and most importantly falling back on it being in early alpha. This lets people with a low IQ to drink the cool-aide and quench their thirst. Once it is "released" he knows that money train is going to derail so he's going to ride it until the end of the line. He is only touting the "it will release when it releases, no compromises" line because he's cash strapped, not because he cares.
Side note, guessing the white knights are "too busy having fun in Lord Roberts Money Scam Online (alpha) to comment". Hope they arrive soon, they are what truly make Star Shitizen fun for us non-believers.
Graph with big but meaningless numbers
Random video about space ships
Not so subtle insult
You all just don't understand game development
Right now SC is the bestest game evah, err, that no one can actually play right now.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Well, First of all, I'm not worried about imaginary internet credibility. I'm too established in my real life to play that game. I'm only seeking the truth. Nothing or No one on this website could ever question my real-life credibility, I've been professionally working in the industry for over 15 years and I have a lot of insight that I keep to myself. I don't want or care about clout.
If I were, about clout, then all of my posts would be filled with "industry insight" about several game studios, but I'm not a chatty patty, and I don't get paid to report things I see or hear to the internet. I'll leave that to others who want that.
My workplace is right across the street here in Santa Monica from CIG, so I've eaten lunch with a lot of those guys over the years, some of who are now former employees for a myriad of reasons. I know a lot about the working environment in the LA office. I can't speak for any other office, only the LA one. It's not going well.
Is DS telling the truth or no? I don't care what people's personal thoughts are on the guy I'm seeking the truth. People worry too much about the deliverer/delivery more than the information. Also, a lot of people HERE blindly hate the guy and have never met him in real life, they have no idea who he is as a person just have a sheep mentality because one person doesn't like him, and you can't think for yourself so you think you should hate him too. it's ridiculous
Is what he was saying true or not should be the only question.
I'm willing to bet an unreleased SC Asset that DS was/is telling the truth or isn't far off from the truth. Again my post isn't about DS, his quote was an attachment to my entire post, Interesting that you read all that, and all you got from it was "DS quote"
CR has been spending BIG money from the project on his personal life and that combined with his feature creep philosophy of "just put in there" is the reason the game won't get finished.
Among a few other things.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
So let me get this right because he hasn't made a decent game, you personally believe he has done some business backstabs ( proof?) and he is rude to other people that are more than likely being rude to him also, you think he doesn't have a right express his opinion?
Even more so you are telling me that I, a grown-ass man, can't bring him up or quote him EVER because... why again?
Curious? not taking shots, ( I enjoy your posts generally) but I'm just curious...
How many decent games have you made and put out? Should we listen to you?
How many business deals have you done that were favorable for you? Isn't that the nature of business anyway? Everyone is trying to get something for themselves. Bigger question did DS screw YOU out of a business deal??
Lowbrow? Do you know how many lowbrow takes we see here on the regular?
Him being RUDE? haha Please don't get me started on rude on this website. Ive seen and screenshotted people saying outright racist, sexist, bigoted things here.
So remind me again why you and everybody else hates Derek Smart? He hasn't done anything more than what everyone else on this forum does. So what's the problem?
Everything he has said about CR managing this project has been true. I don't get the hate.. like at all. Again my post isn't about him, but I'm sick of people shitting on the man for no real apparent reason. I simply quoted him because what he said had some good insight and truth. All he has done was digging and reporting as far as I can tell.
A lot of people sound like they have personal dealing with the man and have never met him once. It's all sheep biased opinion due to a few interactions with somebody on a message board.
Trust me, If I take that approach with all the shit I've seen and experienced on this board, I would say this place is a conservative boomer/GenX hangout spot for old dudes who can't let their glory years of playing DnD in moms basement during the 80s go.
See how opinions based on little to no human interaction work?
Don't let the internet trick you into hating a person you've never met. You can not like somebody's opinion but to treat somebody like you KNOW everything about them, because you dislike their opinion is dishonest.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
All I have ever wanted was SQ42...
Sigh
* Note the above was meant in good humor.
OR WAS IT?
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
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They both toot their own horn so hard, the BS just covers everything.
After a while, trying to wade through what either one said is just a waste of your time.
Both of them have done shady things dealing with game development and gotten paid for doing it. So both are the same to me. Just a matter of scale is all.
As to this game SC...i still have the same question i had once the original crowd funding ended. If you have enough to make the game....why do they still keep taking the sheep for their cash and where is the game?
If they had put out a game like they promised, then taken the sheep for the rest...i would say fine...but no, they can't even produce the original S42 they said that was fully funded all those years ago.
I really have no clue how people can support anyone, that just takes and takes and takes, and still has not produced what was FULLY funded so many years ago. Since that time they have taken in like more than 200 million more....gamers are the most ignorant humans i have ever heard of..bar none.
Torval I hear you, but I disagree. Bringing him in does a lot because he is the person who blew this whole thing up early and people crucified him for it. That's why I quoted him.
Please stop telling me how to post. I don't police your opinions and thoughts so don't do that to my stuff. If you read his research on it, you will see there is a lot of truth because you can follow the money yourself..all he did was point at it.. people treat him like he did what CR did. It's insane. Nothing warrants the reaction people have towards this man. Look at your reaction.. you and others act like he robbed your grandmother.
That part isn't personal for me.. I'm just curious why it's personal for everyone else. Everyone against this one guy, you tell me not to take it personally, but you're the one with a vendetta against a guy you've never met? A guy who has done nothing to you PERSONALLY, you hate so much that you can't stand to see anyone else quote the guy?
Again, my point wasn't even about him.. but now I'm really going to look it up and see what the fuss is, last I heard he rubs people the wrong way based on how he writes? Is that what the gist is? Or is it because people were berating the man but he was right all along and they can't stand to admit they were wrong about him?
To me, the guy is the first person to really put it out there that this SC thing was shitshow and he did it when everyone was in the honeymoon phase. I don't care about anything else..all the "but he's a horrible human" stuff sounds SUPER personal and like a narrative (created by CR fanboys) to distract from what he was saying about SC, but again none of the people saying that actually know the man... and some of the people on this site are horrible humans too if we base it on posts...
What is starting to feel personal for me is that I'm honestly starting to think the only reason people label him as "Jealous" is because he is a "failed" minority game developer. It's easier to pin labels on minorities trying to get into a predominately white male industry. See the thing is, POC have to do at least 5x more just to get in the door because we are measured by our success, not merits. It's true and always has been true especially in this industry. Especially in the 90s. I can name several game developers of color who failed because they only got ONE chance. I can also name 1000s of white ones that failed and kept getting chance after chance..so Derek Smart to me maybe a little jaded but he has every right to be. The dude probably had a hell of a time trying to get his game made. Again none of that is my point. Its just truth.
He may be eccentric but he spoke truth to power and If Derek Smart were a german white guy saying all this shit about SC I don't think the backlash would even be close to the same. It just shows that when a POC stands up to any type of power we always get shot down for even thinking we can have an opinion. That's bullshit IMO.
Everyone is saying the same things he was saying back then RIGHT NOW and nobody is getting the backlash he got over it. Ask yourself why.
Derek was right about this is my only point. That's why I quoted him. I don't care if his games are amazing or nonexistent. I don't care if he does his taxes or steals his internet.. I do think his race skews his words in people's minds because they feel like he shouldn't even have the audacity to speak on CR, but he does and they REALLY hate that MORE than they hate what CR has done to them! Think about that a second. Let it marinate.
Look, it doesn't affect my real life. This post was a lot longer than I planned but He was right, so I quoted the man in my post. Bottom Line. If you don't like him so much you don't have to say anything about it, just ignore his name.
But don't police what I or others say because you don't like him.. you're just another random internet person like the rest of us.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
He said Derek was rude, I said people here are beyond rude, actually have some bigoted people here, this is a fact, not opinion. I didn't label, I told the truth.
I said I WOULD LABEL (KEYWORD WOULD) people this way if I took the same approach he and others are taking with DS. Just labeling a man off no human interaction, 100% based on forum posts. Yes, IF basing on forum posts then that would be the label for some people here. That is based on what Ive seen here over the years.
Again.. slow down and read. I write more than enough so you can understand.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
Probably is speculation, not truth. Presumption as to why people feel as they do isn't truth either. You may be a bit jaded from your experiences.
Regardless, this type of argument tends to undermine the maker rather than bolster. It's an odd choice in what had otherwise been a sound approach.
But yeah he is a complete tool. This is the best thing related to the dude: