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New MMO IP by ZeniMax, new engine as well

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  • RemaliRemali Member RarePosts: 533
    This is going to be an mmo?
    Does zenimax make single player games?
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,695
    Remali said:
    This is going to be an mmo?
    Does zenimax make single player games?
    Zenimax Online Systems is the MMO branch of Zenimax Inc. So no, they only make MMOs.
    NanfoodleAlBQuirky
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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member LegendaryPosts: 7,298
    So Microsoft acquires Zenimax in September and now we hear about a new AAA MMO with brand new engine. Verrry interesting......
    AlBQuirky

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 8,960
    I do wonder if its a IP from the parent company single player games or a unique IP? Maybe they are buying one? 
    AlBQuirky
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,695
    Nanfoodle said:
    I do wonder if its a IP from the parent company single player games or a unique IP? Maybe they are buying one? 
    My bet is that we'll get a reveal of the project in the not too distant future. This thing has been in the works for about 4 years. The only news is that in the past year and a half or so they have admitted that the rumors were true.

    https://mmos.com/news/zenimax-president-matt-firor-confirms-new-aaa-game-in-the-works

    NanfoodleBruceYeeAlBQuirky
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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 4,061
    Nanfoodle said:
    I do wonder if its a IP from the parent company single player games or a unique IP? Maybe they are buying one? 

    No matter which, I'm betting a game that Microsoft has any involvement in will have Gates all over it.  Gated content = pay walls.  And I thought Paradox's DLC system was far too expensive.



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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,695
    Mendel said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    I do wonder if its a IP from the parent company single player games or a unique IP? Maybe they are buying one? 

    No matter which, I'm betting a game that Microsoft has any involvement in will have Gates all over it.  Gated content = pay walls.  And I thought Paradox's DLC system was far too expensive.



    See my post above. This project started long before MS was anywhere in the picture.
    AlBQuirky
    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

    "... the "influencers" which is the tech name we call sell outs now..."
    __ Wizardry, 2020
  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 4,061
    Iselin said:
    Mendel said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    I do wonder if its a IP from the parent company single player games or a unique IP? Maybe they are buying one? 

    No matter which, I'm betting a game that Microsoft has any involvement in will have Gates all over it.  Gated content = pay walls.  And I thought Paradox's DLC system was far too expensive.



    See my post above. This project started long before MS was anywhere in the picture.

    Okay, retrofitted Gates, then.



    IselinAlBQuirky

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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 8,960
    Mendel said:
    Iselin said:
    Mendel said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    I do wonder if its a IP from the parent company single player games or a unique IP? Maybe they are buying one? 

    No matter which, I'm betting a game that Microsoft has any involvement in will have Gates all over it.  Gated content = pay walls.  And I thought Paradox's DLC system was far too expensive.



    See my post above. This project started long before MS was anywhere in the picture.

    Okay, retrofitted Gates, then.



    All MMOs have paywalls, ever free ones. 
    AlBQuirky
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,695
    Mendel said:
    Iselin said:
    Mendel said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    I do wonder if its a IP from the parent company single player games or a unique IP? Maybe they are buying one? 

    No matter which, I'm betting a game that Microsoft has any involvement in will have Gates all over it.  Gated content = pay walls.  And I thought Paradox's DLC system was far too expensive.



    See my post above. This project started long before MS was anywhere in the picture.

    Okay, retrofitted Gates, then.



    Yeah well ZOS doesn't need any extra pushes to be all in on paywalls, MTX and lootboxes. They jumped into that pool with both feet a few years ago. If anything, MS might be a moderating influence lol.
    SensaiNanfoodleTimukasNyghthowlerAlBQuirky
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    ― CD PROJEKT RED

    "... the "influencers" which is the tech name we call sell outs now..."
    __ Wizardry, 2020
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 8,960
    Iselin said:
    Mendel said:
    Iselin said:
    Mendel said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    I do wonder if its a IP from the parent company single player games or a unique IP? Maybe they are buying one? 

    No matter which, I'm betting a game that Microsoft has any involvement in will have Gates all over it.  Gated content = pay walls.  And I thought Paradox's DLC system was far too expensive.



    See my post above. This project started long before MS was anywhere in the picture.

    Okay, retrofitted Gates, then.



    Yeah well ZOS doesn't need any extra pushes to be all in on paywalls, MTX and lootboxes. They jumped into that pool with both feet a few years ago. If anything, MS might be a moderating influence lol.
    I really liked ESO payment model. Wanna play for free, do that. Want to buy what you want to play, that works as well. Want to get everything a sub will get you everything including cash shop items. 
    BrainyAlBQuirky
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,695
    Nanfoodle said:
    Iselin said:
    Mendel said:
    Iselin said:
    Mendel said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    I do wonder if its a IP from the parent company single player games or a unique IP? Maybe they are buying one? 

    No matter which, I'm betting a game that Microsoft has any involvement in will have Gates all over it.  Gated content = pay walls.  And I thought Paradox's DLC system was far too expensive.



    See my post above. This project started long before MS was anywhere in the picture.

    Okay, retrofitted Gates, then.



    Yeah well ZOS doesn't need any extra pushes to be all in on paywalls, MTX and lootboxes. They jumped into that pool with both feet a few years ago. If anything, MS might be a moderating influence lol.
    I really liked ESO payment model. Wanna play for free, do that. Want to buy what you want to play, that works as well. Want to get everything a sub will get you everything including cash shop items. 
    It's better than some but a lot of their crown store stuff is way over priced, the distinction between Chapters and DLC is dodgy and then there's the loot boxes.

    I give their cash shop a C-
    KyleranSensaiMendelRemaliGdemamiTimukasNyghthowlerBrainyAlBQuirky
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    __ Wizardry, 2020
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 8,960
    Iselin said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    Iselin said:
    Mendel said:
    Iselin said:
    Mendel said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    I do wonder if its a IP from the parent company single player games or a unique IP? Maybe they are buying one? 

    No matter which, I'm betting a game that Microsoft has any involvement in will have Gates all over it.  Gated content = pay walls.  And I thought Paradox's DLC system was far too expensive.



    See my post above. This project started long before MS was anywhere in the picture.

    Okay, retrofitted Gates, then.



    Yeah well ZOS doesn't need any extra pushes to be all in on paywalls, MTX and lootboxes. They jumped into that pool with both feet a few years ago. If anything, MS might be a moderating influence lol.
    I really liked ESO payment model. Wanna play for free, do that. Want to buy what you want to play, that works as well. Want to get everything a sub will get you everything including cash shop items. 
    It's better than some but a lot of their crown store stuff is way over priced, the distinction between Chapters and DLC is dodgy and then there's the loot boxes.

    I give their cash shop a C-
    I never spent extra money on the cash shop but subbed for full access. I like things simple and subbing to a game. So I always saw the stuff I got from the cash shop as a bonus =-) SWToR used the same system. I would give it a solid B rating but I would rather a B2P with Sub over any mess with a cash shop. 
    itchmonAlBQuirky
  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 4,061
    Iselin said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    Iselin said:
    Mendel said:
    Iselin said:
    Mendel said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    I do wonder if its a IP from the parent company single player games or a unique IP? Maybe they are buying one? 

    No matter which, I'm betting a game that Microsoft has any involvement in will have Gates all over it.  Gated content = pay walls.  And I thought Paradox's DLC system was far too expensive.



    See my post above. This project started long before MS was anywhere in the picture.

    Okay, retrofitted Gates, then.



    Yeah well ZOS doesn't need any extra pushes to be all in on paywalls, MTX and lootboxes. They jumped into that pool with both feet a few years ago. If anything, MS might be a moderating influence lol.
    I really liked ESO payment model. Wanna play for free, do that. Want to buy what you want to play, that works as well. Want to get everything a sub will get you everything including cash shop items. 
    It's better than some but a lot of their crown store stuff is way over priced, the distinction between Chapters and DLC is dodgy and then there's the loot boxes.

    I give their cash shop a C-

    I've never been sold on the differences between Chapters, DLC, Seasons and Subscriptions.  There's far too much overlap, and with a limited gaming budget, I don't need such decisions.  If the idea is ultimately a la carte gaming, I can get behind that if the prices are reasonable, but please talk to my cable provider first.



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  • cameltosiscameltosis Member EpicPosts: 2,713
    I am curious to hear more. Whilst I didn't like ESO, it is at least clear that Zeni has learned plenty of lessons from their first foray into the mmo world.


    Top of my wishlist for the new game:

    Depth in combat mechanics - the shallowness of ESO's combat is the primary reason i disliked the game, so I'd love more depth in the new one.

    More roles - related to depth I guess, but the trinity isn't enough for me. I find it too limiting when it comes to tactics, adding in cc, buffers, debuffers, off-tanks etc opens up more tactical options.

    Horizontal Progression - Zeni have been on a journey towards this in eso. started vertical, encountered all the usual problems with vertical, then squashed it with scaling. logical step is to go horizontal from the start in their next game.

    Normal servers (with minimal instancing) - whilst I fully understand the benefits of mega-servers, I prefer normal servers. they result in a better community which is something i care about.



    Can't even begin to guess on the IP. First thought (given recent MS buyout) is I'd love a Gears of War MMORPG! I highly doubt it though. If it's going to be a fantasy MMO, then I just hope that the orcs are good!
    NanfoodleAlBQuirky
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 8,960
    edited October 5
    I am curious to hear more. Whilst I didn't like ESO, it is at least clear that Zeni has learned plenty of lessons from their first foray into the mmo world.


    Top of my wishlist for the new game:

    Depth in combat mechanics - the shallowness of ESO's combat is the primary reason i disliked the game, so I'd love more depth in the new one.

    More roles - related to depth I guess, but the trinity isn't enough for me. I find it too limiting when it comes to tactics, adding in cc, buffers, debuffers, off-tanks etc opens up more tactical options.

    Horizontal Progression - Zeni have been on a journey towards this in eso. started vertical, encountered all the usual problems with vertical, then squashed it with scaling. logical step is to go horizontal from the start in their next game.

    Normal servers (with minimal instancing) - whilst I fully understand the benefits of mega-servers, I prefer normal servers. they result in a better community which is something i care about.



    Can't even begin to guess on the IP. First thought (given recent MS buyout) is I'd love a Gears of War MMORPG! I highly doubt it though. If it's going to be a fantasy MMO, then I just hope that the orcs are good!
    As was pointed out above Ieslin, this has been in the works long before MS come into the picture. I do like your list =-)
  • ArglebargleArglebargle Member RarePosts: 2,894
    As for the money aspect, I think Microsoft really wants to push its subscription service.  I'd expect games coming forward to favor that model.  

    Will be interesting to see what  Zeni/Bethesda does with it.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,648
    edited October 5
    As for the money aspect, I think Microsoft really wants to push its subscription service.  I'd expect games coming forward to favor that model.  

    Will be interesting to see what  Zeni/Bethesda does with it.
    All part of the GaaS model, the GamePass gives access to FO76, but it's the additional Fallout 1st subscription and Atom store sales where the big money lies.

    I expect this new title to be more of the same, taking the lessons learned to date in order to better separate gamers from their money.

    ;)
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 20,297
    Kyleran said:
    As for the money aspect, I think Microsoft really wants to push its subscription service.  I'd expect games coming forward to favor that model.  

    Will be interesting to see what  Zeni/Bethesda does with it.
    All part of the GaaS model, the GamePass gives access to FO76, but it's the additional Fallout 1st subscription and Atom store sales where the big money lies.

    I expect this new title to be more of the same, taking the lessons learned to date in order to better separate gamers from their money.

    ;)

    I'm fine with MMOs (and mmo-alikes) going this route. I got to play the game and decide whether the premium sub provides value, and for me it does. I also still get to play a ton of other games I like on the service as well. For me, it means games now really need to justify their box fee if they want my money.

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  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,274
    The Hero Engine had the best dev tools for creating content. It will be interesting to see if they can improve upon it since the underpinnings of that engine are 15 years old. 
    GdemamiTorvalAlBQuirky
  • SandmanjwSandmanjw Member UncommonPosts: 301
    Well since MS bought them...i will wait till they say for sure that the game is being released...MS is bad about killing games if they do not turn out to make them cash.

    That and they may turn it into an x-box exclusive or something dumb like that:)

    Never know what will happen a few years out. Some decisions that these corp's make leave me scratching my head, wondering what they were thinking.
    AlBQuirky
  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,274
    I think Microsoft Windows Phone was a superior product, but they didn't continually invest like they should have to enter a crowded market and they tried to make their own hardware.
    TorvalAlBQuirky
  • ShaighShaigh Member RarePosts: 2,072
    The article never mentions it being an MMO so let's not put the label on the game before we even hear about what they are making. Not all online games are MMO unless you work for superdata.

    SovrathAlBQuirky
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 28,964
    Shaigh said:
    The article never mentions it being an MMO so let's not put the label on the game before we even hear about what they are making. Not all online games are MMO unless you work for superdata.

    Good catch. It will probably be an online game though as I believe that was the thrust of what Zenimax wanted to do; create online games.
    AlBQuirky
  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn Member EpicPosts: 3,332
    Mendel said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    I do wonder if its a IP from the parent company single player games or a unique IP? Maybe they are buying one? 

    No matter which, I'm betting a game that Microsoft has any involvement in will have Gates all over it.  Gated content = pay walls.  And I thought Paradox's DLC system was far too expensive.



    Agreed, if it had been any other company, it would have been.free of all such transactions.  I mean really, would anyone besides Microsoft do such a thing....absolutely not.
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