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Top 5 Ways The Elder Scrolls Online Could Vasty Improve Its Gameplay

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imageTop 5 Ways The Elder Scrolls Online Could Vasty Improve Its Gameplay

The Elder Scrolls Online has been a mainstay in the MMORPG world for six year now, but there comes a point where it can feel a bit too stagnant. Here are five ways we think that ZeniMax could spruce up the gameplay in ESO.

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,087
    Thank you for an ACTUAL MMORPG discussion! I'll chime in after I digest the proposals.
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  • AbimorAbimor Member UncommonPosts: 613
    edited July 29
    I agree with the original story needing to change the way it works. I have a lot of guys who have been though the story, and I wish I could just skip to the end and get the points that you get from the story. Having to do it so many times just to be able to get to coldharbor is really tedious. I like the idea of guilds for the different classes they could add new skills that unlock or cosmetics as you lvl through the guild. I wouldn't want them putting any skills that exist now behind a gate though.
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  • razor247razor247 Member UncommonPosts: 136
    Every zone is copy pasta. Delves public dungeon, dungeon. Small public event thing. Overland is so trival it's laughable one click kill everything. Quests run here click go there click don't read don't care don't matter. 0 progression. Trials? Just follow everyone get your reward...this game is played because it's solo and super simple. It requires no effort or thought for 99% of the Content. It also has the worst combat of any other mmo. It's clunky and u have to weapon swap to use more than 5 skills thanks to console design first...final note. Why on earth in a quest heavy game can I turn into a vampire in less then 3 mins with a poor designed joke of a quest..
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,087
    Give Character Classes Dedicated Guilds and Questlines: Absolutely agree! I suppose the challenge is that each questline would only be experienced by a portion of the player population so would they consider it a good use of their development time...

    Revamp (or at least Rebalance) the Champion Point System: Again I agree. I thought this was the weakest portion of the leveling system. It lets you customize the characters but just didn't appeal to me the same way.


    Add More Variety in Item and Enemy Types: Probably due to the same "value" proposition as the character quest idea. Heck, wouldn't it be great to tie in some skills to those items? So you could focus on weapons from a specific area?

    Restructure the Original Quests, Including the Main Quest: I kind of enjoyed the main questline, but again... new content is always a good thing in my book

    Introduce a Better Dedicated Player Hub: Now this one I don't know about. I understand the desire, but sometimes that just makes the zone feel like a graphic overlay on a chat lobby. I'd have to see how it was implemented.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 5,722
    Animation. Canceling. Needs. To. Go. Away.


    That is all.
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  • remsleepremsleep Member RarePosts: 485

    Aeander said:

    Animation. Canceling. Needs. To. Go. Away.


    That is all.



    No.
    No.
    No.

    Animation cancelling is what adds depth, and skill - without it combat is lame
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  • remsleepremsleep Member RarePosts: 485
    What really needs to be done (and will never be done)

    Redo combat system from ground up
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  • ysquare21ysquare21 Member UncommonPosts: 28
    I like this discussion but my 5 are a bit different:

    1) Original Quest/ Main Quest
    I agree that it feels disjointed but I would prefer a return to faction based storyline and a strong main questline. While I understand One Tamriel changed everything, there must be a better way to tie in the PVP/ Cyrodil conflict with the continuing story. I loved how the base game combined region quests, the main questline and the war in Cyrodil. It has lost all meaning at this point to be part of the Daggerfall Covenant, making me playing a Breton irrelevant.
    All we are getting now are new regions with a (largely) self contained regional storyline. I no longer feel connected to the world without any main story and every region feeling samey.

    2) PVE combat has become way to easy. Questing and exploring is only fun if there is a sense of danger. I understand that true challenge lies in dungeons and trials but since One Tamriel you can basically spam one attack and kill everything. Open world dungeons used to be so hard but are now a breeze. The big bad guy at the end of a questline usually dies after two hits before he can even finish speaking his lines. I wish they would return a bit of difficulty for a sense of danger, adn that you can actually try and test new builds while exploring. No other MMO has such easy PVE.

    3) Housing needs to enhance item slots considerably and make no difference between playerbase. I understand subscribers need an incentive to pay a monthly fee but limiting the items you can place in a house for non-subscribers does not help anyone. If I pay real money to buy a house than it should offer the same slots. It makes me want to craft more , buy more ingame furniture and cosmetics in the store. The need a different reward for subscribers.

    4) Cyrodil and Imerial City need a revamp. It has been the same map since launch. How about an invasion from Oblivion that changes the landscape? Imperial City needs to be twice as big and focus more on non-zerg PVE. Include more PVE as well so people can have random PvP encounters. Everyone has explored all the caves at this point.

    5) Expansion. I know that it won't happen but the game needs a bit of a revamp at this stage, PVE, PVP, RVR and the Coldharbour anchors need to be dynamic events (if Rift could do it, so can ESO). Only a true expansion can achieve this, tie everything together, refresh an d position ESO for the future.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 5,722
    remsleep said:

    Aeander said:

    Animation. Canceling. Needs. To. Go. Away.


    That is all.



    No.
    No.
    No.

    Animation cancelling is what adds depth, and skill - without it combat is lame
    Depth? That word does not mean what you think it means. Depth is an intellectual aspect, not a mechanical one and animation canceling has nothing to do with depth.
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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 7,551
    Make it Skyrim online and I might be interested......ESO is just a joke of a game. Embarrassing to even list it with the other Elder Scrolls games.
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  • AlomarAlomar Member RarePosts: 1,240
    I can't tell you how many hundreds of times I've heard people complain how utterly easy the overland pve, which is most of the pve, in ESO. I've gone around naked and without cp and still it plays like a 5 year old smashing keys could play it. I've given up on ESO getting better anymore though, it's become the Go-To Elder Scrolls cash cow whose only focus is on it's cash shop and lootcrates with minimal communication, bug fixing, server managing, performance improving, and content development in any other area.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,301
    Aeander said:
    Animation. Canceling. Needs. To. Go. Away.


    That is all.
    No it doesn't.

    What it needs is a revamp so that the thing you cancel does not count for full effect. Action combat needs cancelling for all the legit defensive or situational reasons to block, dodge, bash or just cancel out of an action for strategic reasons.

    The alternative, which is animation lock, is an infinitely worse option if you want any kind of fluidity in action combat decision making.

    It gets cheesed in ESO to up DPS only because the all important number crunching that determines the effect of the action is done at the beginning of the action, not at the end.
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  • GreatswordGreatsword Member UncommonPosts: 181
    Fix the ugly animations.
    But I know it's wishful thinking - it's pretty much limited by the Hero engine.
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  • ElethonElethon Member UncommonPosts: 137
    I want better combat and some adjusting done to certain spell effects.
    All the spells, aside from invisibility, that make your character transparent need tp be redone. Honestly couldn't get into the sorc because hurricane looks so bad.
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  • bgzgamerbgzgamer Member UncommonPosts: 86

    remsleep said:



    Aeander said:


    Animation. Canceling. Needs. To. Go. Away.


    That is all.






    No.

    No.

    No.



    Animation cancelling is what adds depth, and skill - without it combat is lame



    Combat is already fucking lame...

    its a spammy mobile-game-skills mess. There is no skill involved with it whatsoever.. spam the best damage youve got.. over and over again because its more efficient than anything else.. giant numbers that dont mean anyhting because "everything is the same level".. zero feel of progression. ESO is a mess.. and combat is the big part of it.
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  • remsleepremsleep Member RarePosts: 485
    Aeander said:
    Depth? That word does not mean what you think it means. Depth is an intellectual aspect, not a mechanical one and animation canceling has nothing to do with depth.


    Depth as in more options.

    Without animation cancelling - everyone's attack is exactly the same

    With animation cancelling - you can weave in extra attacks and create custom combos that you cannot do without.


    So clearly animation cancelling provides higher skill ceiling and more options in combat - hence it's more depth, even if it is mechanical in nature.

    YashaX
  • remsleepremsleep Member RarePosts: 485
    bgzgamer said:

    remsleep said:



    Aeander said:


    Animation. Canceling. Needs. To. Go. Away.


    That is all.






    No.

    No.

    No.



    Animation cancelling is what adds depth, and skill - without it combat is lame



    Combat is already fucking lame...

    its a spammy mobile-game-skills mess. There is no skill involved with it whatsoever.. spam the best damage youve got.. over and over again because its more efficient than anything else.. giant numbers that dont mean anyhting because "everything is the same level".. zero feel of progression. ESO is a mess.. and combat is the big part of it.

    Agree with you there - the reason why I stopped playing ESO - combat is absolutely horrid.
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 7,336
    remsleep said:
    bgzgamer said:

    remsleep said:



    Aeander said:


    Animation. Canceling. Needs. To. Go. Away.


    That is all.






    No.

    No.

    No.



    Animation cancelling is what adds depth, and skill - without it combat is lame



    Combat is already fucking lame...

    its a spammy mobile-game-skills mess. There is no skill involved with it whatsoever.. spam the best damage youve got.. over and over again because its more efficient than anything else.. giant numbers that dont mean anyhting because "everything is the same level".. zero feel of progression. ESO is a mess.. and combat is the big part of it.

    Agree with you there - the reason why I stopped playing ESO - combat is absolutely horrid.

    huh .. go figure .. Same thing Kano said .... exactly
    YashaX
  • GregorMcgregorGregorMcgregor Member UncommonPosts: 254
    They should never have opened up all the areas to any faction, along with the "...and now play as your enemy to see their side of the story" crap just to add content via "One Tammy".
    Should have been kept to the 3 sides have their own areas like DAoC. Want to see Elfville? Roll one!
    Agree with the OP that the CP system needs a revamp, like every other "build" it becomes nothing more than a cookie cutter with every stam build using the same points, every magic build using... yup! You get it. ;) How to fix it is the hard part... can't remove it after players amassing hundreds of points.
    Combat is ok, it's nothing special, but it also isn't crap. At least it's not cartoon combat like some other MMOs.
    The AH needs a major revamp to be more like WoWs (Hey Blizzard, you did something right!!!).
    I'd add a few other tweaks like: Less glitchy mounts that shoot forward and can be a pain to mount quickly if running or some other action is being used (Dunk! Dunk! Dunk!).
    Vamps need to look like normal folk (like WWs) and not crazed red eyed freaks that the guards ignore, had Drak ran about looking like that in old Trans he'd have been staked faster than you can say "Glitter!". ;)
    Hell, I'd add a new faction in the next expac where you can sign up with old Molag himself and have a new underworld area with them also starting in the center of Cyrodiil just to attack all 3 fronts. :)
    Oh, and add ships/water travel (that isn't instant), no underwater zone though, that crap was Hellish in WoW! :)
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  • donzin08donzin08 Member UncommonPosts: 20

    Aeander said:

    Animation. Canceling. Needs. To. Go. Away.


    That is all.



    Literally the worst part of eso is the absolute TRASH combat system. honestly i can deal with EVERYTHING else if they would just fix this horrid combat system and animations. why is animation cancelling EVER a thing??? its so terrible
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  • MardukkMardukk Member RarePosts: 2,221
    I agree animation cancelling was an error and they just went with it to pretend it added something...Questing in the game is very dull, but I've not played many MMO's that had exciting questing.

    I do enjoy the game much more now than I did at release, when I was forced to quest for a couple years. Much more to do now.

    They need to stop balancing PVE with PVP...dear god. Why not separate the mechanics?
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  • ValdheimValdheim Member UncommonPosts: 114
    I was surprised the combat system wasn't in the list as I'm sure that this is the most disliked aspect of ESO, at least that's what you read in almost every discussion and what all my friends also think.

    From the weapon swapping to use more then 5 skills to the underwelming spell/animations with lack of impact and animation canceling to be competitive. I know that animation lock would be even worse so they'd need a system where you can only cancel an animation to block/parry or dodge but not to weave in additional/faster attacks. At least that's what I think might help, correct me if I'm wrong here! Anyways I think most of us agree that a combat revamp is long overdue.
    Fedaygin
  • WedlenWedlen Member UncommonPosts: 133
    edited July 30
    Combat sucks.
    Needs a bigger skill bar.
    Needs more skills and variety.
    Needs a centralized auction house not some silly 3rd party addons just to be able to sell your goods.
    Would like fishing and gathering to gain points
    Better ways to get dye's

    Just off the top of my head
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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 3,503
    1. Combat system similar to PSO2. Weapon based action combat but with tons of slots and bars. Also cooldowns, yes please.
    2. Adding more systems with each expansion, not just more of the same.
    3. An auction house
    4. A revamp of the riding skill time sink.
    5. Decent hybrid options to mix stam and mag in a build allowing more flexibility.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir

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  • TehhiTehhi Member UncommonPosts: 26

    remsleep said:


    Aeander said:

    Depth? That word does not mean what you think it means. Depth is an intellectual aspect, not a mechanical one and animation canceling has nothing to do with depth.




    Depth as in more options.

    Without animation cancelling - everyone's attack is exactly the same

    With animation cancelling - you can weave in extra attacks and create custom combos that you cannot do without.


    So clearly animation cancelling provides higher skill ceiling and more options in combat - hence it's more depth, even if it is mechanical in nature.




    Jesus Christ man, did you actually played ANY action game before? Animation canceling in ESO adds only one thing: epileptic buttons pressing. It's not a skill, it's a muscle memory. It's not hard, and it's ruining any chance of strategic thinking whatsoever, you just do you rotation endlessly like you would in tab targeting game. It's not action, it's lame.
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