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EVE Community Needs a good old fashion Beat Down

EdnircsEdnircs Member UncommonPosts: 5
I gave EVE a Tryout and this is My Impression. The Game Controls are Confusing and the Text is too small to read and Comprehend. I got a Notice that I needed to Up Grade my Weapons and when I tried to Do so following the games tutorial I was soon overwhelmed with useless information and I wasn't able to find the weapons that had to be removed and replaced and when I asked for Help in the Chat Forum I was following the instructions and my Ship was Consequently attacked and Destroyed while I was simply trying to get some Knowledge to help me continue. The Player Chat was hostile and unhelpful. The Graphics do not live up to the Game Trailers I have seen recently. I finally found how to sign off and once I got signed off I deleted the game from my Computer. I will not ever try EVE again. As far as I am Concerned the Game is way overrated and impossible for any New Players to even Try to use, the community there is hostile to beginners and not helpful. I was deliberately directed into a Hostile Zone So my Ship could be used for target Practice. I abhor Cheaters and Liars. I am Sure that My opinion will not have much effect on the EVE Community as they are in my Humble Opinion just a Bunch of Losers who can't Participate in Real Life Social Situations and need to get Lives and Probably JOBS. If you are part of the Community and you feel that I have insulted you and hurt your Feelings well too bad. I will not Change my Statement because I hurt your Feelings and I will Not Apologize. To Summarize EVE is an Awful Game And the Community is the Worse of any game I have previously Played with the Possible Exception of War Thunder.
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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 3,875
    Ok.

    /Cheers,
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 18,153
    Eve was never supposed to be a quality game,it was an entry level game for CCP  and they didn't have the budget to finish it or publish it.
    After that they put little work into the game because they needed the money so badly they instead went for selling expansions,just adding more space to empty space.
    There was nothing i liked about Eve,literally nothing,it is designed that badly.
    I could sit here and start rambling off piece by piece how i would change it but why bother,i would scrap the entire game and make a better one.

    So in comes Chris Roberts,supposedly trying to do just that.I do not for one minute feel Chris was serious about making a AAA game,instead he just wanted to make something on gamer's money which of course equates to a 100% profit..lol.I am quite sure he saw how bad Eve was designed and figured he could do much better an on a smaller budget.

    Well i'll skip the rest of that story,bottom line is that the Space game genre is bottle necked with below par games,nobody is pushing the envelope to force others to step it up.CCP doesn't need to do any better they are already rolling in the dough,Robert's doesn't even need to release a game and is rolling in the dough,see a trend here?
    I have a stigma attached to space games and that is they are all real cheap and real bad and i don't see that changing for a long time because the people that aim for the space genre are typically the low budget operations.


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  • tzervotzervo Member RarePosts: 650
    Ednircs said:
    I gave EVE a Tryout and this is My Impression. The Game Controls are Confusing and the Text is too small to read and Comprehend. I got a Notice that I needed to Up Grade my Weapons and when I tried to Do so following the games tutorial I was soon overwhelmed with useless information and I wasn't able to find the weapons that had to be removed and replaced and when I asked for Help in the Chat Forum I was following the instructions and my Ship was Consequently attacked and Destroyed while I was simply trying to get some Knowledge to help me continue. The Player Chat was hostile and unhelpful. The Graphics do not live up to the Game Trailers I have seen recently. I finally found how to sign off and once I got signed off I deleted the game from my Computer. I will not ever try EVE again. As far as I am Concerned the Game is way overrated and impossible for any New Players to even Try to use, the community there is hostile to beginners and not helpful. I was deliberately directed into a Hostile Zone So my Ship could be used for target Practice. I abhor Cheaters and Liars. I am Sure that My opinion will not have much effect on the EVE Community as they are in my Humble Opinion just a Bunch of Losers who can't Participate in Real Life Social Situations and need to get Lives and Probably JOBS. If you are part of the Community and you feel that I have insulted you and hurt your Feelings well too bad. I will not Change my Statement because I hurt your Feelings and I will Not Apologize. To Summarize EVE is an Awful Game And the Community is the Worse of any game I have previously Played with the Possible Exception of War Thunder.
    You sound more insulting, hostile and annoying than most of the EVE players I encountered in game. :P
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  • Svekke21Svekke21 Member UncommonPosts: 1
    Send me your isk, I'll double it as a welcome gift
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,662
    edited July 20
    Please learn how to properly capitalize your prose, it was almost painful to wade through such a shamble.

    You did a number of things wrong and I suspect your questions in the help channels came across as hostile as your post here hence why you were "helped" into a hostile system, where apparently you completely ignored the in game warnings about the dangers of doing so.

    Perhaps there needs to be some sort of "Turing Test" before new players get started to determine if they really are EVE gamer material.

    Either that or a boot camp might help, "drop and give me 20 cadet"

     :D 





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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,568
    No game's community deserves a blanket condemnation. There are always good and bad. 
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  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 6,165
    When dealing with a help channel. Always be polite and non argumentative. When players expand their precious time in helping, you should be effusive in your thanks. It never hurts to be so because coming across as an ass has its own 'rewards' as I suspect is the case here.
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,568
    kitarad said:
    When dealing with a help channel. Always be polite and non argumentative. When players expand their precious time in helping, you should be effusive in your thanks. It never hurts to be so because coming across as an ass has its own 'rewards' as I suspect is the case here.
    That is good real life advice also. Showing appreciation to others goes a long way. 
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  • xdave78xdave78 Member UncommonPosts: 16
    edited August 10
    I made a totally opposite experience. At first the tutorial quests have to be read much more carefully than in most games where little arrows and blinking icons guide you, if you are not good in reading. The tutorial never leads you into really hostile areas. And there are no SAFE areas in Eve exept the hangar.

    The community and the chat made me believe again, that not every community is toxic. The people answered any crap question, i was invited to voice to get some starter tipps, they provided usefull training goals and fittings for what i want to do. Even some millions of ISK flew into my pocket - even though this was not my intention. This is by far the best community I met over the last few years.  But I´m still struggeling with the game itself....

    You have to learn FAST. 
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  • DivionDivion Member UncommonPosts: 410
    My first eve experience was likely back in 2006, or 07; my current "main" was born in 09; my first alt was born in 2018, i've returned numerous times over the years, and it's always the same, the game can't really be enjoyed solo, which annoys me. Every time i try to get involved with a community i regret it.

    The community is toxic no matter what you do, the game is infamous for it's toxicity within it's community. Some may not get exposed to it, but most will.

    Throughout the years, and corps i joined i only found 1 chill group (the corp died months later, and i quit again) -> Back in 2016 or 17, i decided to give it a "serious" try.

    This time i joined a corp to try and learn more, and be more involved in the game. 

    This large corp i joined was "new-bro" friendly, and what i experienced is what would have to be akin to a new pledge at a frat house. I came across what was quintessentially losers in real life, playing out their authoritarian fantasies in EVE by hazing "newbros" (i term i think is silly.)

    Now, i took issue with this, you see i founded, and ran the largest and up til Q4 of 2019, the oldest life skill guild in BDO the game ever seen, i usually create communities, i don't join them, so i had high expectations, but even still - the treatment here was terrible.

    They don't expect YOU to play YOUR game, a doctrine of practice i oppose aggressively as a community leader, communities exist to bridge players of similar playstyles, not to force you to play your own product a different way to appease a larger focus point, i get that IF the point of the community is that, but a corp designed for new player onboarding isn't the same as nullsec corp that exists to eat up sectors.

    Anyways, so that created contention, the "leaders" of this corp spent their time talking down to the new players, and lording their status over them, we did a few fleet operations, and their was an attempt to introduce paramilitary discipline (which as a USMC-Iraq combat vet i found cringy) into the communication structure, which was really just an excuse to lord over status, and yell/belittle new players who had legit questions. Which translated to "Don't ask questions, just do what i say, even though you joined for me to share knowledge, you are not worthy of that knowledge, so far now til i think you are, just do what i say".

    This resulted in the final act of disgust for me. I wanted to learn the game, so i headed out to do missions in my own ship, and experimenting with my own fitting, this disgust my corp, as was suppose to fly THEIR ship, using THEIR fitting.

    So to teach me a lesson? They sold me out to an enemy corp, who showed up in deadspace while i was doing my mission, and killed me, thus losing a significant amount of my assets i had gained over the years. The only lesson i learned there was in this game, even if your "allies" are enemies, and your enemies will target you for real life reasons, no in game reasons. They get off on it, they relish in causing another player anguish in game to compensate for whatever is wrong with them in real life.

    I don't need that in my life, and every experience with EVE has ran to the same intersection point. The game is just a platform for toxicity of the worse kind. If you have no yet experienced it, given time you eventually will. 
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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 7,806
    " The Player Chat was hostile and unhelpful."

    This was my biggest issue when I tried the game. Very toxic community that just turned me off big time.
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,786
    I don't understand the player chat being a hostile thing, I've only seen "OVERLY EAGER" people wanting to help. I mean every once in a while you might get a scammer in there lol but mostly its people trying to help.
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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 4,534
    Welcome to Open World PvP games.

    They are ALL like that.. and people wonder why they fail.. LOL.
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  • tzervotzervo Member RarePosts: 650
    edited October 10
    klash2def said:
    I don't understand the player chat being a hostile thing, I've only seen "OVERLY EAGER" people wanting to help. I mean every once in a while you might get a scammer in there lol but mostly its people trying to help.
    Chat in EVE is on average not hostile but quite helpful. This is just petty bitter people lashing out because they did not like something with the game or they want to voice their "I hate PVP" at every opportunity they perceive and grasp at straws. I even got advice by people that killed me (more than once) when I asked calmly in game.
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  • tzervotzervo Member RarePosts: 650
    edited October 10
    Ungood said:
    Welcome to Open World PvP games.

    They are ALL like that.. and people wonder why they fail.. LOL.
    (Bold and underlined in quote by me to point out the hyperbole) Only EVE hasn't failed, Albion hasn't failed, Rust hasn't failed...
    itchmon
  • itchmonitchmon Member RarePosts: 1,990
    Ungood said:
    Welcome to Open World PvP games.

    They are ALL like that.. and people wonder why they fail.. LOL.
    Eve is a few months older than WoW.  It's still open and making news with WWBee2.

    Ask wildstar, tabula rasa, SWG fans and they would kill to have their game "fail as hard" as eve
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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 4,534
    itchmon said:
    Ungood said:
    Welcome to Open World PvP games.

    They are ALL like that.. and people wonder why they fail.. LOL.
    Eve is a few months older than WoW.  It's still open and making news with WWBee2.

    Ask wildstar, tabula rasa, SWG fans and they would kill to have their game "fail as hard" as eve
    Thank for you making my point. EvE is as old as WoW, both are quite literally, the Apex of their Chosen Platform. EvE being quite literally the most popular Open World PvP game on the market, nothing else even comes close.

    Eve has peaked at around half a million, WoW peaked at 12 million.

    As for the games you listed.

    Lord British himself killed tabula rasa, that was his screw up.

    SWG? Really, you are parroting the Iconic Cautionary tale game for their NGE? LOL. They killed their own game, like the idiots they were.

    Wildstar was a buggy mess at launch, an overall flat out shit game.

    If any of those people would have commited a violent felony to see the success of EvE, well that would have just been one more in a long list of bad choices and screw ups they made regarding the making of their MMO to start.
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  • tzervotzervo Member RarePosts: 650
    edited October 11
    Ungood said:
    itchmon said:
    Ungood said:
    Welcome to Open World PvP games.

    They are ALL like that.. and people wonder why they fail.. LOL.
    Eve is a few months older than WoW.  It's still open and making news with WWBee2.

    Ask wildstar, tabula rasa, SWG fans and they would kill to have their game "fail as hard" as eve
    Thank for you making my point. EvE is as old as WoW, both are quite literally, the Apex of their Chosen Platform. EvE being quite literally the most popular Open World PvP game on the market, nothing else even comes close.

    Eve has peaked at around half a million, WoW peaked at 12 million.
    With this reasoning, your two dearhearts, Trove and DDO, have also failed.

    Noone said EVE or open world full loot PVP MMORPGs in general are as popular as WoW, or any of the big four. You said that all PVP games (which includes EVE) have failed.

    Also, Albion currently has MAU numbers comparable to EVE's (to address the "nothing even comes close", which is also incorrect).
  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 4,534
    tzervo said:
    Ungood said:
    itchmon said:
    Ungood said:
    Welcome to Open World PvP games.

    They are ALL like that.. and people wonder why they fail.. LOL.
    Eve is a few months older than WoW.  It's still open and making news with WWBee2.

    Ask wildstar, tabula rasa, SWG fans and they would kill to have their game "fail as hard" as eve
    Thank for you making my point. EvE is as old as WoW, both are quite literally, the Apex of their Chosen Platform. EvE being quite literally the most popular Open World PvP game on the market, nothing else even comes close.

    Eve has peaked at around half a million, WoW peaked at 12 million.
    With this reasoning, your two dearhearts, Trove and DDO, have also failed.

    Noone said EVE or open world full loot PVP MMORPGs in general are as popular as WoW, or any of the big four. You said that all PVP games (which includes EVE) have failed.

    Also, Albion currently has MAU numbers comparable to EVE's (to address the "nothing even comes close", which is also incorrect).
    Just because all Open world PvP games have failed, does not mean every PvE is a smashing success.

    I have no idea where you even get such a ridiculous notion.
    Gdemami
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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 4,534
    tzervo said:
    Ungood said:
    itchmon said:
    Ungood said:
    Welcome to Open World PvP games.

    They are ALL like that.. and people wonder why they fail.. LOL.
    Eve is a few months older than WoW.  It's still open and making news with WWBee2.

    Ask wildstar, tabula rasa, SWG fans and they would kill to have their game "fail as hard" as eve
    Thank for you making my point. EvE is as old as WoW, both are quite literally, the Apex of their Chosen Platform. EvE being quite literally the most popular Open World PvP game on the market, nothing else even comes close.

    Eve has peaked at around half a million, WoW peaked at 12 million.
    With this reasoning, your two dearhearts, Trove and DDO, have also failed.

    Noone said EVE or open world full loot PVP MMORPGs in general are as popular as WoW, or any of the big four. You said that all PVP games (which includes EVE) have failed.

    Also, Albion currently has MAU numbers comparable to EVE's (to address the "nothing even comes close", which is also incorrect).
    Also.. Just for the record.


    Just to grasp this. Steam all Time Peak: Trove was at 58K, Albinon was at 13K.

    Albinon has never seen the Success that Trove has, ever, and Trove was at best a some small time niche game for people that wanted to play a Voxel MMO. It was never, ever a major player in the MMO field.

    As far as DDO goes, that game almost died at launch, and it has struggled so much, and faced sunsetting so many times, that they used it to Test the idea of a F2P MMO Model in the West, making DDO the Father of Modern F2P MMO's, so much so that they called F2P MMO's the "Turbine Model". But again, DDO never made it to the big time, for a company that such an iconic IP like Dungeons and Dragons Online, it's always limped along like it took a arrow to the knee, and if you played the game through the years, it's pretty damn evident they did it all to themselves, but it survived past it's original studio dropping all their MMO's and moving to Mobile games, because MMO's were simply not profitable enough for them, a feat, very.. very.. few MMO's have survived through. It also was a very niche' game for people that wanted to play 3.x AD&D rules. It never had popular appeal.

    But then again, I never had any delusions on the popularity of the games I enjoyed playing, I knew they were never big time games, and for some of them.. like DDO, till this day I am amazined it is still alive and kicking.. and getting a new expansion to boot! 

    So.. just so you can get a graps of this.

    You have went to bank with your vaunted Open World PvP games against two, MMO's that would be considered small fry players, or in the case of DDO, a miracle that it is still alive, and still managed to lose  against one of them. 

    But in the broad market arena, you are pitting your beloved best examples of OW PvP games , against those two small fries? That should tell you that OW PvP will never become winners in the MMO world, they will at best limp along like the small time niche PvE counterparts, that you just tried to compare them to.

    LOL.. I mean.. dude that was like saying "I don't run as bad as that fat drunk guy with a wooden peg leg".. 
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  • tzervotzervo Member RarePosts: 650
    edited October 11
    Ungood said:
    Just because all Open world PvP games have failed, does not mean every PvE is a smashing success.

    I have no idea where you even get such a ridiculous notion.
    Ungood said:
    Also.. Just for the record.

    Just to grasp this. Steam all Time Peak: Trove was at 58K, Albinon was at 13K.

    Albinon has never seen the Success that Trove has, ever, and Trove was at best a some small time niche game for people that wanted to play a Voxel MMO. It was never, ever a major player in the MMO field.
    Comparing with Steam numbers in a game that also has a non-Steam client which has a larger piece of the pie has always been sloppy or disingenuous.

    https://massivelyop.com/2020/02/11/albion-online-now-counts-350k-monthly-active-players-plans-major-alliance-changes/

    https://massivelyop.com/2020/09/14/albion-online-touts-continued-population-growth-in-september-and-work-on-new-features/

    Again the above is MAU ( > 350k) and DAU (125k), not concurrency. Unless you can get concurrency/MAU/DAU numbers for both games and both in and out of Steam clients, we cannot compare apples to apples.

    But those numbers and trends are not numbers of a failed game, they are numbers of a successful mid sized MMO, same as many other games outside of the big four, like Trove, E:D etc. Saying that every OW PVP MMO game is a failure shows just petty hatred towards PVP games and grasping at straws.
  • tzervotzervo Member RarePosts: 650
    edited October 11
    Ungood said:
    Welcome to Open World PvP games.

    They are ALL like that.. and people wonder why they fail.. LOL.
    Oh and let's not forget BDO. Very much OW PVP, very much a success.
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 13,850
    edited October 11
    PvP just like PvE is tricky to do the right way, keeping both types of player happy. It is a lot easier to make a MMO that is PvE or PvP. This idea that PvP cannot be part of a big success, well it is just a case of how it is handled. WoW has many sorts of PvP, that game is still doing famously, in its day DAOC was very popular.

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  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member RarePosts: 1,225
    Ednircs said:
    I gave EVE a Tryout and this is My Impression. The Game Controls are Confusing and the Text is too small to read and Comprehend. I got a Notice that I needed to Up Grade my Weapons and when I tried to Do so following the games tutorial I was soon overwhelmed with useless information and I wasn't able to find the weapons that had to be removed and replaced and when I asked for Help in the Chat Forum I was following the instructions and my Ship was Consequently attacked and Destroyed while I was simply trying to get some Knowledge to help me continue. The Player Chat was hostile and unhelpful. The Graphics do not live up to the Game Trailers I have seen recently. I finally found how to sign off and once I got signed off I deleted the game from my Computer. I will not ever try EVE again. As far as I am Concerned the Game is way overrated and impossible for any New Players to even Try to use, the community there is hostile to beginners and not helpful. I was deliberately directed into a Hostile Zone So my Ship could be used for target Practice. I abhor Cheaters and Liars. I am Sure that My opinion will not have much effect on the EVE Community as they are in my Humble Opinion just a Bunch of Losers who can't Participate in Real Life Social Situations and need to get Lives and Probably JOBS. If you are part of the Community and you feel that I have insulted you and hurt your Feelings well too bad. I will not Change my Statement because I hurt your Feelings and I will Not Apologize. To Summarize EVE is an Awful Game And the Community is the Worse of any game I have previously Played with the Possible Exception of War Thunder.

    The tone of your post suggests to me you'd do well to avoid any game that allows relatively unconstrained PvP combat.
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member RarePosts: 1,225
    Ungood said:
    itchmon said:
    Ungood said:
    Welcome to Open World PvP games.

    They are ALL like that.. and people wonder why they fail.. LOL.
    Eve is a few months older than WoW.  It's still open and making news with WWBee2.

    Ask wildstar, tabula rasa, SWG fans and they would kill to have their game "fail as hard" as eve
    Thank for you making my point. EvE is as old as WoW, both are quite literally, the Apex of their Chosen Platform. EvE being quite literally the most popular Open World PvP game on the market, nothing else even comes close.

    Eve has peaked at around half a million, WoW peaked at 12 million.


    Was the goal for EVE to have a comparable population to WoW? If so, then they did fail. If not, it isn't a measure of their success as it wasn't their goal to begin with.

    What was CCP's goal, and how well did they do at achieving it. That to me would be a much better measure as the other discounts everything done by other than those operating at the most expansive level.
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